Black Box UFO Secrets.

[skyeagle409]

Sky, I know this is an old post but were you saying that your old squadron provided F-22 incentive rides for 76 members of the Young Eagles?

No.

I am past president of the Lee A. Archer, Jr. Chapter, Travis AFB, CA., Tuskegee Airmen, Inc., and from March to November, in conjunction with the Experimental Aircraft Association, Chapter 1230, Nut Tree airport, CA, which I was also member before I arrived here in Texas, we fly children under our Young Eagle's program using privately-owned aircraft and our two chapters work together.

Some members of my Tuskegee Airmen chapter were with the 477th Bomber Group, and we all were also members of the EAA at Nut Tree airport. Check it out here.

http://tuskegeeairme...mber_group.html

One of the members of my chapter is an honorary commander of the 477th Fighter Group, Elmendorf AFB, AK, which flies the F-22 Raptor. You can view him here.

http://www.afrc.af.m...sp?id=123163799

477th Fighter Group Link

I met with the commander of the 477th Fighter Group in Philadelphia and requested from him for an F-22 for public display at the 2009 Corpus Christi Airshow where I had my Tuskegee Airmen exhibitions on display in a booth.

Sorry, but I should have made myself clearer.

Edited November 28, 2010 by skyeagle409

[booNyzarC]

Way back in time, about five years ago... I researched and produced a scientific paper that proved the "Ebens", I mean Science Fiction writers, didn't know much about the Zeta Reticuli system they were "writting" about in their science fiction experiment!

"lost_shaman; a member of AboveTopSecret.com"

Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread185069/pg48#pid1912489

Thanks for that lost_shaman. Makes me laugh out loud actually... LOL Excellent work!

Apache, here's a good clue that the whole account was baloney:

"The two Stars are 350 Billion Miles apart."

[AH-64Apache]

Thanks for that lost_shaman. Makes me laugh out loud actually... LOL Excellent work!

Apache, here's a good clue that the whole account was baloney:

"The two Stars are 350 Billion Miles apart."

I think you need to go back and check it out again. You forgot one detail: Zeta 1 Reticuli is separated from Zeta 2 Reticuli by at least 367 billion miles, or about 100 times the Sun-Pluto distance

Correction: You said 350 billion, that's not correct, it's 367 billion, that means you are at least 17 billion miles under. You was too fast in your observation, i think. It's not unusual that people make mistakes from time to time. But, don't worry, we people learn from mistakes

Edited November 28, 2010 by AH-64Apache

[booNyzarC]

Not at all excellent work. You forgot one detail: Zeta 1 Reticuli is separated from Zeta 2 Reticuli by at least 367 billion miles, or about 100 times the Sun-Pluto distance

Correction: You said 350 billion, that's not correct, it's 367 billion, that means you are 17 billion miles wrong

You are familiar with the rounding of numbers, yes?

[AH-64Apache]

You are familiar with the rounding of numbers, yes?

Yes, i'm familiar with rounding numbers. You have to round up to 370 billion, if you want to make any rounding. Remember, Zeta 1 Reticuli is at least 367 billion apart from Zeta 2 Reticuli (about 100 times the Sun-Pluto distance).

Edited November 28, 2010 by AH-64Apache

[booNyzarC]

Yes, i'm familiar with rounding numbers. You have to round up to 370 billion, if you want to make any rounding. Remember, Zeta 1 Reticuli is at least 367 billion apart from Zeta 2 Reticuli (about 100 times the Sun-Pluto distance).

Apparently I've offended you Apache. I had no intention of that.

Regardless of my mathematical inconsistency with your preferred rounding method, you have to admit that the distance between these stars sheds some doubt on the accounts describing Project Serpo, right?

[lost_shaman]

How do you know they are science fiction writers? Who are these science fiction writers?

According to DaSilva and Foy, Zeta Reticuli starsystem is between 6 to 8 billion years old, and our own sun is only 5 billion years old:

The prime source of information about these stars is L. DaSilva and R. Foy's paper "Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli: A Puzzling Solar-Type Twin System", which can be found in Astronomy and Astrophysics (177, 204-216 <1987>). See, L. DaSilva and R. Foy.

The two stars, Zeta 1 and Zeta 2, are located in the southern constellation of Reticulum (the net) and are thus never visible to most of the northern hemisphere. Both are classed as old disk population II stars whose age is between six to eight billion years. There is every indication that both had a common origin and are part of a relatively near-by old moving group (or loose cluster) of stars which was first defined in 1958 and is known as the Zeta Hercules group. Zeta 1 Reticuli is separated from Zeta 2 Reticuli by at least 367 billion miles or about 100 times the Sun-Pluto distance. They may be even farther apart but, as just mentioned above, the available observations suggest they are moving through space together and are therefore physically associated. They probably require at least a 100,000 years to orbit around their common center of gravity.

Our own Sun has an estimated age of only five billion years and is classed spectroscopically as a G-0 star (yellow-orange dwarf). Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are classed as G-2 and G-1 respectively, with luminosities ("L") of 0.8 and 1.02 (the Sun being L=l.O). This means that both Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are very Sun-like and could well possess solar systems much like our own.

In their highly technical paper, DaSilva and Foy offer two very important conclusions about these stars which radically contradict earlier findings. These are that neither star is metal-deficient and that neither is a close binary (or double). Earlier evidence (published by Bonneau et al., 1980) identifying Zeta 2 as a very close binary turns out to have been mistaken (Bonneau and Foy, 1986).

The puzzling aspects of these "close" stars (One tenth of a light year apart) center around discoveries of higher than expected gravity and ultraviolet output when compared to their apparently normal metal content (i.e. not metal-poor). The ultraviolet excess and kinematic (proper motion and orbit) data suggest that these two stars belong to the old population II stars as mentioned earlier; yet the apparent high gravity figure seems more typical of an unevolved, metal-poor condition. Since DaSilva and Foy's work resulted in strong confirmation of a Sun-like (or "normal") metal content for these stars, they began to look elsewhere for an explanation of the gravity paradox. The answer came with the discovery of an apparent overabundance of helium (twice as much as our own Sun) in the stellar photospheres. This, when worked into the calculations, not only explained the high gravity, but also accounted for the observed problem of the stars' high ultraviolet output but relatively low overall luminosity. Another effect of the helium abundance would be to slow the process of stellar evolution across the main sequence.

Additionally, it should be noted that Zeta 1 was one of the first stars ever to be used as a solar analog by astronomers. What might these findings signify as far as Zeta 1 and/or Zeta 2 possessing planets with advanced intelligent life? Let's make a list of the strong points which support this idea:

(1) Both Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are solar, or Sun-like stars. (If one imagines a spherical section of our galaxy with a radius of 50 light years and centered upon our Sun, only one star out of every eleven contained therein will have Sun-like characteristics.)

(2) The previous objection that one and perhaps both stars appeared to be close binaries has now been swept away. Stable planetary orbits in the so-called eco-zone (i.e. close enough to the central fire to produce conditions conducive to life) are more probable around single stars than in close binary systems.

(3) Both Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 have an average age of between six and eight billion years. This makes them from one to three billion years older than our Sun and suggests that any life on planets associated with them could be much further along in its evolutionary process than we are.

(4) In many reported UFO abduction cases, the "visitors" have been described as having a thick epidermis and multiple eyelids. This is precisely the sort of adaptation one would expect for creatures who evolved on a planet whose sun had a high ultraviolet output. Curiously enough, these characteristics were also reported by the intelligence source codenamed "Falcon" as early as 1981.

On the negative side, it must be admitted that there is no direct observational evidence of planets around either Zeta 1 or Zeta 2. However, a Canadian group reported that a Jupiter-sized planet appears to exist in orbit around Tau Ceti, a Sun-like star only about 11 light years away. Those readers familiar with the star map developed by Marjorie Fish based upon information from the Barney and Betty Hill UFO abduction case, will recall that Tau Ceti was identified as one of the stars on that map.

Since the original 1991 publication of this report tremendous strides have been made in the discovery of possible new solar systems and the detection of planets around other stars: With each passing day there is more and more data that appears to strengthen the idea that solar systems are quite common and very abundant.

For current efforts to find planets around Zeta1 and Zeta2 please see The Anglo-Australian Planet Search. Both Zeta1(HD20766) and Zeta2 (HD20807) are on their planet search list. Thanks to Dr Chris Tinney for this information who is/was the head astronomer at the Anglo-Australian Observatory.

My link My link

No offense, but the link I just gave you proves that I was the first person in the Serpo discussion that mentioned that Paper. At the time "Anon", the fiction writer, was claiming the two Star's were 187.9 Million miles apart!

Of course, after all this time I'm sure people have refined the story based on the Paper I linked to so long ago.

[AH-64Apache]

Apparently I've offended you Apache. I had no intention of that.

I don't feel you have offended me 'booNyzarC'. As i said, we people do make mistakes from time to time, including me. It's only a "very little mistake" about this mathematic talk, nothing to worry about at all

Regardless of my mathematical inconsistency with your preferred rounding method, you have to admit that the distance between these stars sheds some doubt on the accounts describing Project Serpo, right?

I don't know much about Project Serpo, looks very interesting, and need to shed more light on it.

I do have some doubts about the Project Serpo, the part is the time the Ebens' travel to Earth. According to US intelligence "Falcon" interview it states it takes them 91 days to travel to Earth, while according to the alleged ET brief to Ronald Reagan it states it takes them 9 months to travel to Earth. So obviously there is something here that need to shet light on.

As the matter of fact, the whole Project Serpo issue need to be reevaluated. There are some informations that contradict each other. Lack of informations about persons, there is too much "anonymous", in my opinion.

Long time ago i read about that there was two different kind of ET species who visited each other, shared cultures between them, these two groups is said to be neighbours from their neighbour star. I don't recall if it is Reticuli Starsystem. I've tried to search for it. Unsuccesful so far so good. I thought maybe one of these groups travel 9 months, while the other group travel 91 days? I don't know. I will try find out about it.

Edited November 28, 2010 by AH-64Apache

[lost_shaman]

I do have some doubts about the Project Serpo, the part is the time the Ebens' travel to Earth. According to US intelligence "Falcon" interview it states it takes them 91 days to travel to Earth, while according to the alleged ET brief to Ronald Reagan it states it takes them 9 months to travel to Earth. So obviously there is something here that need to shet light on.

I was involved in the first Serpo discussion years ago. There is nothing here to shed light on, it's all BOGUS. Look you were quoting the Paper I brought up years ago that proved the people behind this story didn't know what they were talking about, now it's just part of the revised story.

[AH-64Apache]

I was involved in the first Serpo discussion years ago. There is nothing here to shed light on, it's all BOGUS. Look you were quoting the Paper I brought up years ago that proved the people behind this story didn't know what they were talking about, now it's just part of the revised story.

And that's why the whole Project Serpo issue need to be reevaluated.

[AH-64Apache]

No offense, but the link I just gave you proves that I was the first person in the Serpo discussion that mentioned that Paper. At the time "Anon", the fiction writer, was claiming the two Star's were 187.9 Million miles apart!

Of course, after all this time I'm sure people have refined the story based on the Paper I linked to so long ago.

I respect you was the first person in the Serpo discussion that mentioned that Paper, wich i'm interested to know more about.

So the fiction writer "Anon" claimed the two stars were only 187.9 million miles apart! Please tell me more about this "Anon"

It's good we have people like L. DaSilva and R. Foy then, to put the more correct data on, at least 367 billion miles apart

Edited November 28, 2010 by AH-64Apache

[Universal Sight]

Thing only solid thing presented is that there may be solar systems around other stars that may have advanced life on them. I dont doubt that a bit. Its the fact that they came here from there is what i doubt.

We will never see eye to eye on this because i cant believe it until it is taught or told how it is done by the aliens themselves.

91 days? dont think so.

Checking out your links now. Lets see if i can be converted and have to eat some crow here.

ok:

There were four (4) dead aliens in the second crash site. Those bodies were in an advanced state of decaying. They had been in the desert for the past two (2) years. Animals and time got to those bodies

I would hope they had showed signs of advanced decay after 2 years. I thought it was possible for dead animals to be reduced to bone in like 7 days or even a few weeks or.... similar time period?

...also, since they knew that these craft had crashed in the same years... why didnt they recover the 2nd crash site when it happened? Im just curious as to how they estimate that it was there for 2 years without anyone coming across it.

Although EBE did not have voice organs like humans, it was able to communicate with an operation performed by military doctors.

Hmmm....seems they communicate telepathically with everyone else. Maybe they evolved this after getting to Earth and deciding to abduct people?

Finally we were able to translate most of the messages. As I said, we decided to respond in English. Approximately four months later, we received a reply in broken English.

so, these radio waves basically travelled faster than the speed of light? Actually faster than their ships. since it took the ships 91 days @3 months to get here , they were able to send AND recieve radio messages in 4 months......hmmmmmm very interesting indeed.

I still thinnk this is mularky and seems like they are "playing" the president in order to convince him of the Star Wars weaponry need.

My edit time running out. will add another post of this bs er ... report.

Edited November 29, 2010 by Universal Sight

[Universal Sight]

There are reports that date back in time that are consistent with what people report today, as the MoD "Condign" report states and I'll paraphrase, these are consistent over time and still reported today so modern technology CAN NOT explain these consistent reports.

I agree with the "Condign" report on this.

I'm sorry to say, but you've just described an ICBM minus the "flying" back home thing. An ICBM is a better weapon because it's much easier and cheaper to make an ICBM rocket engine than it is to make something that needs to fly back home!

As for UAV's they do a very different job. There is no comparison.

I made this reference to stealth is all. Not for whats better or not. To me, being able to go to a place and drop a bomb and have the ability to retreat before being spotted or shot down would make sense.... right?

[Universal Sight]

OK. so it seems that even with this so called disclosure they still cant get all the facts right.

im reading tab 1 on the site and comparing it to the Reagon briefing you posted.

In 1965, we had an exchange program with the aliens. We carefully selected 12 military personnel; ten men and two women. They were trained, vetted and carefully removed from the military system. The 12 were skilled in various specialities.

Near the northern part of the Nevada Test Site, the aliens landed and the 12 Americans left. One entity was left on Earth. The original plan was for our 12 people to stay 10 years and then return to Earth.

But something went wrong. The 12 remained until 1978, when they were returned to the same location in Nevada. Seven men and one woman returned. Two died on the alien's home planet. Four others decided to remain, according to the returnees. Of the eight that returned, all have died. The last survivor died in 2002.

it was noted that the "addition" of people was 14 not 12.

However, I never heard of any females going. To the best of my knowledge, we had 12 men, all military men. Eight USAF, two Army and two Navy guys. I think the females are a red herring.

Since their return, all have died. The last being in 2003 in a VA hospital.

a little more disinformation i guess?

The heat was extreme and took many years to adjust.

and yet in the Reagan briefing atricle it says they prefer cooler places and their planet was cool with thinner air? Thats why they like being in our mountain ranges right? So how does extreme heat come into effect? I could answer this or know what the reply to this may be.... but...

and why would they not reside in the cooler places on their own planet as stated before? Makes no sense...unless i misunderstood something here.