Obamas New Attack On 2nd Ammendment

[Leonardo]

You do realize that firearms are regulated and that doesn't keep them out of the hands of criminals?

While these proposed controls are intended to reduce the supply of guns into the market - and hopefully have a knock-on effect on the black-market availability of firearms, the primary purpose is to prevent (or try to prevent) another Columbine. As far as I know, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were not convicted criminals before they embarked on this massacre, so the "criminals will still have guns" argument does not apply.

And do you also realize, that in America, the wildlife has not been completely decimated, like it has in some countries, therefor guns are a necessity? Some countries weren't smart enough to try and maintain the balance of their ecosystem before it was too late.

Bison?

Please don't throw stones from within your own glass house. No one is denying the fact that there is a lifestyle in the USA that encourages hunting for food and, again, depriving that lifestyle of the ability to hunt is not the aim of the proposed controls.

You really should read what is proposed before making broad statements. CIFTA, for example, is designed to prevent or reduce the smuggling of firearms across borders (especially international borders). It does not have a provision for denying gun ownership for people who remain within the borders designated (either state or international). HR 45 is designed to require federal licensing for handguns and semi-automatic weapons that do not currently require such, as well as a provision for the safe storage of firearms in areas where children cannot gain access to them.

Why any responsible, mature, peace-minded person would object to these provisions is something I do not understand, but maybe that is the mentality of those who require guns to feel 'safe'?

Edited May 18, 2009 by Leonardo

[cerberusxp]

L.U. is correct. More than likely we are both on the red list. Red list people are to be dragged from their homes some 4 hours before dawn and taken to FEMA camps to be executed. ( I have much in store for their surprise ) Same with all on the blue list these are followers of the red list, but not exclusively. Blue list also consists of the bleeding heart liberals, teachers and professors who indoctrinated students for the past 45 years or so into a more socialistic ideology, this list also includes liberal leaning actors. The plan is to reduce the population by about 180,000,000 in this country alone. However the Lord will intercede. Albeit the U.S. will be the first to be destroyed ( we will be hit by an asteroid as prophesied ) and much of our allies will be damaged as well. Armed citizens are the country's last line of defense do you really want to take that away? The registration of guns will make the above much easier for them. The cities and communities that require gun ownership for home owners there is little or no crime!!!

Leonardo I question your intellectual honesty. In respect of your opinion Leonardo I promise not to use my guns in your defense!

As far as Iran goes do you really want to give a country the ability, that wants very much to destroy this and all other countries that are not Islam?

The DOD has back ordered all reloading primers for pistol and rifle reloading they are limiting what ammo we have available already. My suggestion to gun owners is to bury your unregistered guns and ammo but in such a way that it is still easily retrievable until such a time as needed (resistance, invasion etc.). Anyone who trusts an overbearing Government and willing to give up freedoms and liberties in the name of security does not deserve either. I thank Mr Jefferson and our fore fathers for the chance we had and the much foresight into people governing them selves and not giving in to letting a few dictate to the many. Obama has disobeyed the Constitution in more than just a few ways now. Sedition! Violations of the contract clause for one and more. The Government did not make the states. It was the sates that erected the Government ([u]AS A NECESSARY EVIL[/u]). It has to answer to the states and the people of those states. Reread your constitution understand it and defend it with your LIFE. Other wise we are all doomed.

Edited May 18, 2009 by cerberusxp

[Cadetak]

You do realize that firearms are regulated and that doesn't keep them out of the hands of criminals? And do you also realize, that in America, the wildlife has not been completely decimated, like it has in some countries, therefor guns are a necessity? Some countries weren't smart enough to try and maintain the balance of their ecosystem before it was too late.

My little brother bought an M-16(that is the same standard weapon a U.S. soldier uses) at a gun show. He was given no formal training, background check, or anything...in and out in five minutes flat. To operate a car you need to pass a skills and knowledge test, have registration, insurance, an E check, and can't have a DUI or anything...and cars aren't even designed to kill people.

You don't need machine guns to hunt or if you do then you just a bad hunter. If there is a wildlife control problem then that should be the concern and duty of the government and not the private citizen.

[cerberusxp]

My little brother bought an M-16(that is the same standard weapon a U.S. soldier uses) at a gun show. He was given no formal training, background check, or anything...in and out in five minutes flat. To operate a car you need to pass a skills and knowledge test, have registration, insurance, an E check, and can't have a DUI or anything...and cars aren't even designed to kill people.

You don't need machine guns to hunt or if you do then you just a bad hunter. If there is a wildlife control problem then that should be the concern and duty of the government and not the private citizen.

As you see here indoctrinated.

[Cadetak]

L.U. is correct. More than likely we are both on the red list. Red list people are to be dragged from their homes some 4 hours before dawn and taken to FEMA camps to be executed. ( I have much in store for their surprise ) Same with all on the blue list these are followers of the red list, but not exclusively. Blue list also consists of the bleeding heart liberals, teachers and professors who indoctrinated students for the past 45 years or so into a more socialistic ideology, this list also includes liberal leaning actors. The plan is to reduce the population by about 180,000,000 in this country alone. However the Lord will intercede. Albeit the U.S. will be the first to be destroyed ( we will be hit by an asteroid as prophesied ) and much of our allies will be damaged as well. Armed citizens are the country's last line of defense do you really want to take that away? The registration of guns will make the above much easier for them. The cities and communities that require gun ownership for home owners there is little or no crime!!!

Leonardo I question your intellectual honesty. In respect of your opinion Leonardo I promise not to use my guns in your defense!

As far as Iran goes do you really want to give a country the ability, that wants very much to destroy this and all other countries that are not Islam?

The DOD has back ordered all reloading primers for pistol and rifle reloading they are limiting what ammo we have available already. My suggestion to gun owners is to bury your unregistered guns and ammo but in such a way that it is still easily retrievable until such a time as needed (resistance, invasion etc.). Anyone who trusts an overbearing Government and willing to give up freedoms and liberties in the name of security does not deserve either. I thank Mr Jefferson and our fore fathers for the chance we had and the much foresight into people governing them selves and not giving in to letting a few dictate to the many. Obama has disobeyed the Constitution in more than just a few ways now. Sedition! Violations of the contract clause for one and more. The Government did not make the states. It was the sates that erected the Government ([u]AS A NECESSARY EVIL[/u]). It has to answer to the states and the people of those states. Reread your constitution understand it and defend it with your LIFE. Other wise we are all doomed.

As you see here...Paranoia

Edited May 18, 2009 by Cadetak

[cerberusxp]

If it was the right to gather and right to free speech that the "mental midgets" were having taken from them there would be holy heck being raised. Can you imagine needing a licence to gather with your friends for a camping event, or requiring everyone that attends a pro-whatever rally to register their names and addresses. Or, requiring everyone on this site to use their real name and real address before they could post a single thing.

It is not so funny when you compare what is proposed with guns with the other freedoms of the Bill of Rights.

What if there was a waiting period for smarmy comments or there was a background check before you could go to a wedding? Sound crazy? Well that is the kind of Control State that we are heading toward. You can nay-say if you like, but it is on the way, unless other politicians put themselves forward and say no.

HERE HERE HEAR THIS MAN!!!

Cadetak if you live in a large city you are already the walking dead you just don't know it yet. For you see I have prescience!

Edited May 18, 2009 by cerberusxp

[preacherman76]

Do you know how many Americans have died as a result of having no real regulations of gun ownership. Also they never fought for my rights I'm from Canada where we do have gun control and a far less oppressive government.

The same amount or more will die with these regulations. Criminals DONT OBEY THE LAW. Criminals wont register thier guns. These new laws only effect law abiding people. Less opressive Goverment in Canada hu? Please. Speak out against homosexuality in public, and watch the thought police bag your ***.

Gun control means exactly that 'control' the US public should be restricted to how many and what types of guns they have, it's a public safety issue. The right to bare arms doesn't necessarily mean you have the right to own assault rifles which serve no purpose other then to kill other people or walk around city streets with hand guns which also serve the same purpose.

There has never been a time in history when such regulation hasnt led to confiscation.

I own guns and I support gun control because it's the most sensible way of reducing gun violence.

In every case where you make it hard for people to be armed, it always leds to MORE gun violence.

If your worried about your freedom you should be PMSing over the fact everything you type online is logged and all your phone conversations are listened too... No instead your concerned about having the ability to have guns in which you could freely kill and maim if you wished.

Im just as concerned over big brother, but why would I express concern over that in a second amendment thread?

[preacherman76]

Also I could care less about YOUR constitution. I'm canadian/

So why are you posting in a thread regarding MY constitution?

[preacherman76]

Most of the folks for gun control in this thread dont even live here, so to me, it doesnt matter in the least what you think. Our founders didnt die for you.

[Leonardo]

Leonardo I question your intellectual honesty.

Why?

If you are going to accuse me of intellectual dishonesty, then at least have the b*lls to explain why and provide your evidence. Otherwise, I will accept your apology.

[Cadetak]

HERE HERE HEAR THIS MAN!!!

Cadetak if you live in a large city you are already the walking dead you just don't know it yet. For you see I have prescience!

I live in Cleveland, Ohio most populated city in the state and 11th most dangerous city in the United States and 7th most dangerous for it's population bracket. I have yet to face a situation were a machine gun or any firearm was necessary.

Prescience as in precognition? And I'm a Jedi...

[Cadetak]

Most of the folks for gun control in this thread dont even live here, so to me, it doesnt matter in the least what you think. Our founders didnt die for you.

I'm american and I am for gun control. Background checks, age restrictions, skill and knowledge tests, licenses with annual renewals, restriction on number of firearms allowed to be owned, sales restrictions, heavy taxes(like tobacco), restrictions on types of weapons available(machine guns for example), and whatever else is appropriate.

Yes criminals can get guns regardless of the law this is why I do not suggest an outright ban. But to make deadly firearms easily available is simply irresponsible.

Our founding fathers were also slave owners they were not infallible.

[preacherman76]

I'm american and I am for gun control. Background checks, age restrictions, skill and knowledge tests, licenses with annual renewals, restriction on number of firearms allowed to be owned, sales restrictions, heavy taxes(like tobacco), restrictions on types of weapons available(machine guns for example), and whatever else is appropriate.

Yes criminals can get guns regardless of the law this is why I do not suggest an outright ban. But to make deadly firearms easily available is simply irresponsible.

Our founding fathers were also slave owners they were not infallible.

I respect your opinnion, being a American. I just dont agree with it.

[Hermit007]

Yes, putting such stipulations on gun ownership is infringement and against the 2nd Amendment.

[The Silver Thong]

you protect your freedom by voting out the idiots who try to pass laws doing away with them.

the right to bear arms is not to keep the government at bay it is to make the government think twice before coming into your home. If the right to bear arms were taken away would the police need a warrant to search your property not really. Who wants to get rid of the guns the government who think we need a police state. Yes the USA has the most law enforcement on the planet but they still cannot just walk into anyones home and arrest them like the can in Cuba. Although with the homeland security garbage they are close to it.

What that makes no sense man. We have very strict gun laws hear as does the UK and Australia hell all western nations. I for one have never had the police storm my house and if it was a problem in other western cultures I'm sure I would have heard about it. All I have to do is turn on Fox and watch an episode of cops to see how American police raid homes hundreds of times a week. Probably to do with drugs and GUNS !!!!

You want to compare Cuba with your right to bare arms, thats absurd.

[aquatus1]

Frankly, if you are going to be raided by the police, owning guns is not going to stop them.

[The Silver Thong]

I respect your opinnion, being a American. I just dont agree with it.

I have 20 acres in Montana, does that count LOL It's funny driving down there every single road sign has 30+ bullet holes in it LOL yup makes me feel all safe and comfy, not...

[The Silver Thong]

L.U. is correct. More than likely we are both on the red list. Red list people are to be dragged from their homes some 4 hours before dawn and taken to FEMA camps to be executed. ( I have much in store for their surprise ) Same with all on the blue list these are followers of the red list, but not exclusively. Blue list also consists of the bleeding heart liberals, teachers and professors who indoctrinated students for the past 45 years or so into a more socialistic ideology, this list also includes liberal leaning actors. The plan is to reduce the population by about 180,000,000 in this country alone. However the Lord will intercede. Albeit the U.S. will be the first to be destroyed ( we will be hit by an asteroid as prophesied ) and much of our allies will be damaged as well. Armed citizens are the country's last line of defense do you really want to take that away? The registration of guns will make the above much easier for them. The cities and communities that require gun ownership for home owners there is little or no crime!!!

Leonardo I question your intellectual honesty. In respect of your opinion Leonardo I promise not to use my guns in your defense!

As far as Iran goes do you really want to give a country the ability, that wants very much to destroy this and all other countries that are not Islam?

The DOD has back ordered all reloading primers for pistol and rifle reloading they are limiting what ammo we have available already. My suggestion to gun owners is to bury your unregistered guns and ammo but in such a way that it is still easily retrievable until such a time as needed (resistance, invasion etc.). Anyone who trusts an overbearing Government and willing to give up freedoms and liberties in the name of security does not deserve either. I thank Mr Jefferson and our fore fathers for the chance we had and the much foresight into people governing them selves and not giving in to letting a few dictate to the many. Obama has disobeyed the Constitution in more than just a few ways now. Sedition! Violations of the contract clause for one and more. The Government did not make the states. It was the sates that erected the Government ([u]AS A NECESSARY EVIL[/u]). It has to answer to the states and the people of those states. Reread your constitution understand it and defend it with your LIFE. Other wise we are all doomed.

Didn't really want to quote your whole post but HOLY CRAP you are a scary little fella !!!

[Hermit007]

What that makes no sense man. We have very strict gun laws hear as does the UK and Australia hell all western nations. I for one have never had the police storm my house and if it was a problem in other western cultures I'm sure I would have heard about it. All I have to do is turn on Fox and watch an episode of cops to see how American police raid homes hundreds of times a week. Probably to do with drugs and GUNS !!!!

You want to compare Cuba with your right to bare arms, thats absurd.

Every country has its own laws..you'd do best to respect our heritage.. pllllease?

[The Silver Thong]

Every country has its own laws..you'd do best to respect our heritage.. pllllease?

That was a pretty hypocritical post concidering America's take on the rest of the world don't you think. Your heritage is not that different than my own good sir

[Hermit007]

That was a pretty hypocritical post concidering America's take on the rest of the world don't you think. Your heritage is not that different than my own good sir

America's take on the rest of the world?? That's irrelevant. The 2nd Amendment secures gun ownership.. if infringment upon this right reaches a certain point, you can rest assured, Revolution will follow.

[aquatus1]

So, you believe that amendments are unchangeable?

[Hermit007]

So, you believe that amendments are unchangeable?

I believe that amendments are unchangeable..meaning, future amendments cannot negate former amendments in regards to individual liberty.

[aquatus1]

But doesn't that defeat the very reason why an amendment system was instituted in the first place?

After all, you are aware that an amendment is the only way to repeal an amendment, correct

[Hermit007]

But doesn't that defeat the very reason why an amendment system was instituted in the first place?

After all, you are aware that an amendment is the only way to repeal an amendment, correct

Yes, I do. In that regard, I'd say amendments 1-10 (Bill of Rights) are unchangeable. Any future amendments that subvert or infringe upon these original ten must

be striken from the record.