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Saddam's WMD Have Been Found


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New evidence out of Iraq suggests that the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is having better success than is being reported. Key assertions by the intelligence community that were widely judged in the media and by critics of President George W. Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all. But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case - chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles - the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight. "There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found that Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [bW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects." They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-

looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence. "Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice. Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:

A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?

"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.

A line of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."

"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] - well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [united Arab Emirates]."

In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles - probably the No Dong - 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.

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if that's true, that's quite the eye-opener eyecrazy.gif

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Good post.

"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

I didn't know almost all this stuff. It's quite amazing. And very disturbing... because I keep up with the news every day and I still wasn't told about this stuff... disgust.gif

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I'll wait until this is actually officially declaired, with evidence, before I put much weight in it...however...

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?

A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Not that I'm saying this is why they've suddenly...popped up...but I do appreciate the irony grin2.gif

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The ironic thing is that it all has been officially declared and the media hasn't paid any attention. Quite frankly, this irritates me. Where am I going to go now to get my news and information if CNN and FOX don't report this stuff? disgust.gif I guess from you, Kellalor original.gif

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Maybe if your glorious leader had called more than two press conferences since he was elec...um...perhaps "elected" is a strong word....since he became president, we'd know about this sort of thing? tongue.gif

In any event, I would like to think it's true...if it is, then it does at least slightly validate the war, and means that everyone who's died for it didn't die for absolutely nothing.

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Just a word of warning, Insight magazine is a very republican publication. The artical rehashes certain information that was already known at the beginning of the war, and all of it is not new.

If you want to know how republican this magazine is, click the link for Politics on the left banner. At least the first four stories are Kerry Bashing.

Any bets a major announcement about weapons comes out in June or July?

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They say they're very republican themselves. They admit it; it's considered a conservative magazine.

Unlike mainstream media which is liberal but say that they're unbiased.

Media Research Center - America's Media Watchdog

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They say they're very republican themselves. They admit it; it's considered a conservative magazine.

Unlike mainstream media which is liberal but say that they're unbiased.

Media Research Center - America's Media Watchdog

Kellalor, the Media Research Center is a conservative group, too. I hardly think their word that the media is liberal can be taken as fact. Check our this quote from their site.

The mission of the Media Research Center is to bring balance and responsibility to the news media. Leaders of America's conservative movement have long believed that within the national news media a strident liberal bias existed that influenced the public's understanding of critical issues. On October 1, 1987, a group of young determined conservatives set out to not only prove - through sound scientific research - that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values, but also to neutralize its impact on the American political scene. What they launched that fall is the now acclaimed --- Media Research Center (MRC).

Here's a link directly to that quote.

Liberals have their own watchdog groups that compellingly argue that the media is overwhelmingly conservative. Here's a link to one such group:

Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting

I think that, in order to get the truth about the information we receive from the mainstream media, we should look at it objectively. Here is a link to a site that claims to take a non-partisan look at the media. What I have read so far seems to be pretty balanced.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs

And finally, back to the topic, this article was interesting. It's funny that I haven't heard about these discoveries anywhere but a conservative media outlet, though.

And, stillcrazy, I also would not be surprised to hear about WMD findings just in time to boost Bush's support before the election. I hate politics sometimes.

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Permakid, I understand what your saying, the politics of war cost us money and lives. What I was pointing out to Kellalor is has she said, this magazine states very clearly that they are republican based.

But the facts remain, that the 'found weapons are in reality nothing new. There has not been to date a major discovery of actual weapons. Only the word of a few captured Saddam's military machine. THe fact that they point to agricultural chemicals as possible weapons is interesting, but accurate. There are a good many

herbacides and insectacides that can be easily converted to a toxic state. But these were announced in the news in the very beginning, after Bagdad fell.

As for Biological weapons, I don't know what people expect to find. It does not take a ten story building to create and reproduce certain viruses. A small lab set up in a kitchen can make a great deal of bio weapons in a short amount of time.

Again this was reported in the press at the beginning of the war.

What has not been found, and I believe has been sent to Syria and/or Turkey (before anyone says Turkey is a U.S. supporter, there are factions on the border that are Saddam, and radical islamic supporters.) are the nuclear components. A recent documentry on Saddam, one of his nuclear energy scientist confirmed that after Desert Storm, Saddam wanted to build a small nuclear device and deliver it to Kuwait via a truck, or if possible, deliver a nuclear device via boat to Israel.

While there has been many small discoveries, no major stockpiles have yet to be found. But there is increasing evidence that there was a program, in place, at least a year before we invaded Iraq.

Again, and I posted this in another thread that has been locked, I did not see the donning of Chemical suits as often in operation Iraqi Freedom that I saw in Desert Storm.

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