apollo 11 UFO sighting?

[mcrom901]

From the launching of Apollo 11 on July 16th, 1969 until the spacecraft passed the midpoint between the earth and the moon the following day, the three astrona uts observed a U.F.O. keeping pace with them. Two days later, on July l9th at approximately 1800 hours, U.F.O.s made another appearance and were recorded on film. The details of this extensive film were: the day before the lunar landing Aldrin transferred to the L. M. "Eagle" and began the final instrument checks. Whilst checking the close-up camera, the U.F.O.s came into the picture. Whilst under observation, the objects were seen to be emitting what looked like some kind of liquid. The two objects were in close formation and would come together and part and after some time separated and went off their own ways. The objects appeared to be intelligently controlled, the astronauts said. The third sighting during this epic flight occurred on July 21st, 00.26 hours. About an hour and a half previously, Neil Armstrong and Aldrin had set foot on the moon. While they were busy gathering rocks, Collins in the Command Module 'Columbia' was busy talking to Houston.

in this video buzz talks about the sighting......

in his own words...........

"there was something out there that was close enough to be observed"

"mike decided he thought he could see it in the telescope & he was able to do that and when it was in one position it had series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp it sort of L shaped"

"obviously the three of us were not gonna blurb out, hey houston we have something moving along the side of us we dont know what it is"

now watch this next clip......

"how about those four panels"

"i got to be honest about it and either say well its detail but we saw nothing other than something that we were 99.99% was a man made object it was part of the spacecraft; but we did happen to see it and according to the technical definition of unidentified flying object, it has to fit in that category, cause there was no way for us to tell it was panel one two three or four, without bringing in the rest of the world and disturbing what the heck we were about going to the moon"

"i think it was one of the panels to very nearly the absolute certainty"

now, check this one out.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukp7azF6wGo

"i looked out & saw a star out there, but it wasn't a star, it was venus; but it kept following me all along"

and when somebody speaks the truth........

"YOU ARE A COWARD AND A LIAR"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

given the position he has.... do u think he speaks the truth?????

he is sick

at least it was nice.... hearing the cryptic neil armstrong......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQ3U-B95es

here are the actual ufo clips from apollo 11.......

http://www.cohenufo.org/Apollo11UFO_1.wmv

http://www.cohenufo.org/Apollo11UFO_2.wmv

http://www.cohenufo.org/Apollo11UFO_3.wmv

[mcrom901]

"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public." - Astronaut Gordon Cooper

http://ufos.about.com/od/nasaufos/a/apollo11.htm

[mcrom901]

check out this classic.....

"we just about could have said, look, we see a UFO out the window going along with us... you know what would have happened? the public would have gone crazy!"

"yeah, we were smart enough to say; where is the upper stage rocket? we think we might be looking at that out the window"

the funniest part of the clip is........

BUZZ ALDRIN ON SHUTTLE LAUNCH - OVERSHADOWED BY PARIS HILTON

fox buzzed him off in 30 seconds

[Lilly]

This is what happens when an astronaut admits that they've seen something in space that couldn't be positively identified....he gets called a liar. How *nice* (extreme sarcasm intended), a person who's risked their life for the exploration of space and just because he's not sure what a UFO may, or may not have been (which is being honest by the way) he's up and branded as being a liar!

As to Mr. Aldrin clocking that Bart Sibrel fellow; how dare Mr. Sibrel assault a senior citizen...block his exit, shove a book at him (supposed the Bible), hurl verbal insults etc. IMO (and the option of the judge as well), Mr. Sibrel got exactly what he deserved.

Shame on people who do this kind of thing.

[Hazzard]

I agree with Lilly.

The conclusion was that what they were seeing was a piece of the SLA (Spacecraft/LM Adapter), one of 4 panels that had been jettisoned prior to transposition and docking shortly after TLI, when the spacecraft was a couple thousand miles out on July 16.

The panels would have a sideward velocity imparted to them, which would provide an outward movement to them, while still maintaining the same relative velocity outbound. Thus, the panels would travel with the spacecraft, but with an outward angle relative to the CSM/LM line of flight. And these panels were NOT tracked from Earth.

What the UFO crazys never mention is that Buzz, in talking about it, specifically said that they didnt mention it on the public loop, because the UFO nuts would go crazy. Neil considered almost immediately that it might be the S4B, or a LM housing panel, which is why he subtly asked Houston about the position of the S4B, without mentioning what they were observing.

Could it have been an alien spaceship following Apollo 11, yes, but the most likely explanation is that it was one of those panels.

As for punching that fool Bart Sibrel... I simply loved it.

Edited May 23, 2009 by Hazzard

[mcrom901]

buzz just received the highest honour from me.... now i consider him in the ranks of the 66 degrees

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/13/lkl.02.html

[mcrom901]

This is what happens when an astronaut admits that they've seen something in space that couldn't be positively identified....he gets called a liar. How *nice* (extreme sarcasm intended), a person who's risked their life for the exploration of space and just because he's not sure what a UFO may, or may not have been (which is being honest by the way) he's up and branded as being a liar!

no.... this is what happens when somebody literally LIES i.e. confirms different stories to represent the same isolated subject..... if u have checked the presented material..... then i'm sure you will notice the contradictions....... unidentified, ellipses, L-shape, 99.99% man made, 0.01% extraterrestial, light, panels, venus!!!!!!!!!!!!!! balloons?

As to Mr. Aldrin clocking that Bart Sibrel fellow; how dare Mr. Sibrel assault a senior citizen...block his exit, shove a book at him (supposed the Bible), hurl verbal insults etc. IMO (and the option of the judge as well), Mr. Sibrel got exactly what he deserved.

sibrel had the guts to show in his own way how LIARS should be confronted.....

According to Aldrin, he was lured to a Beverly Hills hotel under the pretext of an interview on space for a Japanese children's television show. When he arrived, Aldrin claims Sibrel was there demanding that he swear on a Bible that he had walked on the moon. When Aldrin refused, Sibrel called him a coward, a liar, and a thief. Aldrin punched Sibrel in the jaw and the incident was captured on video. Sibrel later attempted to use the tape to convince police and prosecutors that he was the victim of an assault. However, it was decided that Aldrin had been provoked, and did not actually injure Sibrel, and so no charges were filed.

i guess buzz should have acted in a more professional manner.... fitting in the frame of his own claimed stature..... not acting like a street fighter....

there is in fact a psychology analysis behind that......... but i wont go there

BBC: Ex-astronaut escapes assault charge

Californian authorities have decided against prosecuting former astronaut Buzz Aldrin after he punched a documentary maker who claimed his moon missions were faked. Mr Aldrin, famous for his participation in the Apollo 11 moon landing in 1969, hit Bart Sibrel after he approached the former astronaut outside a hotel in Beverley Hills, Los Angeles and demanded he swear on a Bible that the landing was not staged. Mr Aldrin responded by punching Mr Sibrel, but said he merely struck out to defend himself and his stepdaughter, who was with him at the time. Beverly Hills police investigated the incident, which occurred 9 September, but said that the charges were dropped after witnesses came forward to say that Mr Sibrel had aggressively poked Mr Aldrin with the Bible before he was punched.

this shows the double-standards of the authorities through the false witness testimony...... cause sibrel never got physical.... just verbal..... they had to fabricate something to save him!!!

Shame on people who do this kind of thing.

yeah.... like hypnotizing the masses with deception..... instead of being a true genuine leader.....

i can see the lies right through him..... the way he talks & how he makes up stuff, by going hmmm uhum mmmm

i do understand that all involved with NASA; have to maintain their so called 'national security protocols'

however this guy is over the top

[Captain Zim]

The panels would have a sideward velocity imparted to them, which would provide an outward movement to them, while still maintaining the same relative velocity outbound. Thus, the panels would travel with the spacecraft, but with an outward angle relative to the CSM/LM line of flight. And these panels were NOT tracked from Earth.

Actually they were.

http://www.w7ftt.net/apollo13.html

I would also punch the guy.

Edited May 23, 2009 by Captain Zim

[mcrom901]

I agree with Lilly.

The conclusion was that what they were seeing was a piece of the SLA (Spacecraft/LM Adapter), one of 4 panels that had been jettisoned prior to transposition and docking shortly after TLI, when the spacecraft was a couple thousand miles out on July 16.

The panels would have a sideward velocity imparted to them, which would provide an outward movement to them, while still maintaining the same relative velocity outbound. Thus, the panels would travel with the spacecraft, but with an outward angle relative to the CSM/LM line of flight. And these panels were NOT tracked from Earth.

What the UFO crazys never mention is that Buzz, in talking about it, specifically said that they didnt mention it on the public loop, because the UFO nuts would go crazy. Neil considered almost immediately that it might be the S4B, or a LM housing panel, which is why he subtly asked Houston about the position of the S4B, without mentioning what they were observing.

Could it have been an alien spaceship following Apollo 11, yes, but the most likely explanation is that it was one of those panels.

As for punching that fool Bart Sibrel... I simply loved it.

i guess thats just your own made up stuff..... or some debunking BS

please read through this info

The following is, according to Robert Godwin, from a formerly 'Classified' NASA document.

The 500 page transcript was obtained by Godwin, editor of:

'Apollo 11 The NASA Mission Reports - Volume Two'

Published by Apogee Books an imprint of Collector's Guide

Publishing Inc., Box 62034, Burlington, Ontario, Canada, L7R 4K2

http://www.cgpublishing.com/

and available at:

L I N K

The debriefing occured while Aldrin, Armstrong and Collins were quarantined for three weeks at the Lunar Receiving Laboratory in Houston, Texas.

The Apollo 11 Technical Crew Debriefing

July 31st 1969

Prepared by: Mission Operations Branch

Flight Crew Support Division

Volume I & 2

[in Godwin's book pages 38-40]

6.40 REST PERIODS

Aldrin: We're all good sleepers. The first one was not as

good as the second or third, but the first sleep

period was still surprisingly restful as far as I'm

concerned.

Collins: I think particularly when you get into the later

flights of extended EVA'S and lunar activity, somehow

the crew must place themselves in a frame of mind of

looking on the separation of the LM [Lunar Module] as

the beginning of the flight plan and to relax, get

plenty of sleep, and conserve their energies in all

the events leading up to that point.To arrive in

lunar orbit tired can create problems and it's

possible to do that if you don't approach it in the

right frame of mind.

Armstrong: I think Mike's hit the nail on the head. We did

precisely that. We got a lot of rest and got into

lunar orbit eager to go to work and that's a

particularly fortunate position to be in.

Collins: This is something we've talked about before the

flight and I don't know how you can get yourself in

that frame of mind but I think it is a frame of

mind. You have to get yourself convinced that there

will be a nice relaxing couple of days going to the

moon.

Aldrin: The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was 1 day

out, or something, pretty close to the moon. It had a

sizeable dimension to it, so we put the monocular on

it.

Collins: How'd we see this thing? Did we just look out the

window and there it was?

Aldrin: Yes, and we weren't sure but that it might be the

S-IVB [saturn Rocket Third Stage]. We called the

ground and were told the S-IVB was 6000 miles away.

We had a problem with the High Gain about this time,

didn't we?

Collins: There was something. We felt a bump or maybe I just

imagined it.

Armstrong: He was wondering whether the MESA [Modular Equipment

Stowage Assembly] had come off.

Collins: I don't guess we felt anything.

Aldrin: Of course, we were seeing all sorts of little objects

going by at the various dumps and then we happened to

see this one brighter object going by. We couldn't

think of anything else it could be other than the

S-IVB. We looked at it through the monocular and it

seemed to have a bit of an L-shape to it.

Armstrong: Like an open suitcase.

Aldrin: We were in PTC [Passive Thermal Control] at the time

so each one of us had a chance to take a look at this

and it certainly seemed to be within our vicinity and

of a very sizeable dimension.

Armstrong: We should say that it was right at the limit of the

resolution of the eye. It was very difficult to tell

just what shape it was. And there was no way to tell

the size without knowing the range or the range

without knowing the size.

Aldrin: So then I got down in the LEB [Lower Equipment Bay]

and started looking for it in the optics. We were

grossly misled because with the sextant off-focus

what we saw appeared to be cylinder.

Armstrong: Or really two rings.

Aldrin: Yes.

Armstrong: Two rings. Two connected rings.

Collins: No, it looked like a hollow cylinder to me. It didn't

look like two connected rings. You could see this

thing tumbling and, when it came around end-on, you

could look right down in its guts. It was a hollow

cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the

sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book

shape. It was really weird.

Aldrin: I guess there's not too much more to say about it

other than it wasn't cylinder.

Collins: It was during the period when we thought it was a

cylinder that we inquired about the S-IVB and we'd

almost convinced ourselves that's what it had to be.

But we don't have any more conclusions than that

really. The fact that we didn't see it much past this

one time period - we really don't have a conclusion

as to what it might have been, how big it was, or how

far away it was. It was something that wasn't part of

the urine dump, we're pretty sure of that. Skipping

ahead a bit, when we jettisoned the LM, you know we

fired an explosive charge and got rid of the docking

rings and the LM went boom. Pieces came off the LM.

It could have been some Mylar or something that had

somehow come loose from the LM.

Aldrin: We thought it could have been a panel, but it didn't

appear to have that shape at all.

Collins: That's right, and for some reason, we thought it

might have been a part of the High Gain Antenna. It

might have been about the time we had high gain

antenna problems. In the back of my mind, I have some

reason to suspect that its origin was from the

spacecraft.

Aldrin: The other observation that I made accumulated

gradually. I don't know whether I saw it the first

night, but I'm sure I saw it the second night. I was

trying to go to sleep with all the lights out. I

observed what I thought were little flashes inside

the cabin, spaced a couple of minutes apart and I

didn't think too much about it other than just a note

in my mind that they continued to be there. I

couldn't explain why my eye would see these flashes.

During trans-earth coast, we had more time and I

devoted more opportunity to investigating what this

could have been. It was at that point that I was able

to observe on two different occasions that, instead

of observing just one flash, I could see double

flashes, at points separated by maybe a foot. At

other times, I could see a line with no direction of

motion and the only thing that comes to my mind is

that this is some sort of penetration. At least

that's my guess, without much to support it; some

penetration of some object into the spacecraft that

causes an emission as it enters the cabin itself.

Sometimes it was one flash on entering. Possibly

departing from an entirely different part of the

cabin, outside the field of view. The double flashes

appeared to have an entry and then impact on

something such as the struts. For a while, I thought

it might have been some static electricity because I

was also able, in moving my hand up and down the

sleep restraint, to generate very small sparks of

static electricity. But there was a definite

difference between the two as I observed it more and

more. I tried to correlate this with the direction of

the sun.When you put the window shades up there is

still a small amount of Ieakage. You can generally

tell within 20 or 30 degrees the direction of the

sun. It seemed as though they were coming from that

general direction; however, I really couldn't say if

there was near enough evidence to support that these

things were observable on the side of the spacecraft

where the sun was. A little bit of evidence seemed to

support this. I asked the others if they had seen any

of these and, until about the last day, they hadn't.

Armstrong: Buzz, I'd seen some light, but I just always

attributed this to sunlight, because the window

covers leak a little bit of light no matter how

tightly secured. The only time I observed it was the

last night when we really looked for it. I spent

probably an hour carefully watching the inside of the

spacecraft and I probably made 50 significant

observations in this period.

Aldrin: Sometimes a minute or two would go by and then you'd

see two within the space of 10 seconds. On an

average, I'd say just as a guess it was maybe

something like one a minute. Certainly more than

enough to convince you that it wasn't an optical

illusion. It did give you a rather funny feeling to

contemplate that something was zapping through the

cabin. There wasn't anything you could do about it.

Armstrong: It could be something like Buzz suggested. Mainly a

neutron or some kind of an atomic particle that would

be in the visible spectrum.

[karl 12]

Love that Buzz Aldrin punch - great video!

As for UFOs filmed on NASA missions,theres an interesting one filmed here and it appears to be green with two spheres

(found at 0:53 and 1:11)

Cheers.

[Lilly]

no.... this is what happens when somebody literally LIES i.e. confirms different stories to represent the same isolated subject..... if u have checked the presented material..... then i'm sure you will notice the contradictions....... unidentified, ellipses, L-shape, 99.99% man made, 0.01% extraterrestial, light, panels, venus!!!!!!!!!!!!!! balloons?

Not knowing what something is, is not the same thing as lying.

sibrel had the guts to show in his own way how LIARS should be confronted.....

Mr. Sibrel assaulted a senior citizen by shoving him with a book (Bible). If you choose to confront people you think are "LIARS" in this manner I strongly suggest you keep an attorney on retainer...you'll be needing legal representation.

[MID]

i guess thats just your own made up stuff..... or some debunking BS

please read through this info

The following is, according to Robert Godwin, from a formerly 'Classified' NASA document.

The 500 page transcript was obtained by Godwin, editor of:

'Apollo 11 The NASA Mission Reports - Volume Two'

Published by Apogee Books an imprint of Collector's Guide

Publishing Inc., Box 62034, Burlington, Ontario, Canada, L7R 4K2

http://www.cgpublishing.com/

and available at:

L I N K

The debriefing occured while Aldrin, Armstrong and Collins were quarantined for three weeks at the Lunar Receiving Laboratory in Houston, Texas.

The Apollo 11 Technical Crew Debriefing

July 31st 1969

Prepared by: Mission Operations Branch

Flight Crew Support Division

Volume I & 2

[in Godwin's book pages 38-40]

6.40 REST PERIODS

Aldrin: We're all good sleepers. The first one was not as

good as the second or third, but the first sleep

period was still surprisingly restful as far as I'm

concerned.

Collins: I think particularly when you get into the later

flights of extended EVA'S and lunar activity, somehow

the crew must place themselves in a frame of mind of

looking on the separation of the LM [Lunar Module] as

the beginning of the flight plan and to relax, get

plenty of sleep, and conserve their energies in all

the events leading up to that point.To arrive in

lunar orbit tired can create problems and it's

possible to do that if you don't approach it in the

right frame of mind.

Armstrong: I think Mike's hit the nail on the head. We did

precisely that. We got a lot of rest and got into

lunar orbit eager to go to work and that's a

particularly fortunate position to be in.

Collins: This is something we've talked about before the

flight and I don't know how you can get yourself in

that frame of mind but I think it is a frame of

mind. You have to get yourself convinced that there

will be a nice relaxing couple of days going to the

moon.

Aldrin: The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was 1 day

out, or something, pretty close to the moon. It had a

sizeable dimension to it, so we put the monocular on

it.

Collins: How'd we see this thing? Did we just look out the

window and there it was?

Aldrin: Yes, and we weren't sure but that it might be the

S-IVB [saturn Rocket Third Stage]. We called the

ground and were told the S-IVB was 6000 miles away.

We had a problem with the High Gain about this time,

didn't we?

Collins: There was something. We felt a bump or maybe I just

imagined it.

Armstrong: He was wondering whether the MESA [Modular Equipment

Stowage Assembly] had come off.

Collins: I don't guess we felt anything.

Aldrin: Of course, we were seeing all sorts of little objects

going by at the various dumps and then we happened to

see this one brighter object going by. We couldn't

think of anything else it could be other than the

S-IVB. We looked at it through the monocular and it

seemed to have a bit of an L-shape to it.

Armstrong: Like an open suitcase.

Aldrin: We were in PTC [Passive Thermal Control] at the time

so each one of us had a chance to take a look at this

and it certainly seemed to be within our vicinity and

of a very sizeable dimension.

Armstrong: We should say that it was right at the limit of the

resolution of the eye. It was very difficult to tell

just what shape it was. And there was no way to tell

the size without knowing the range or the range

without knowing the size.

Aldrin: So then I got down in the LEB [Lower Equipment Bay]

and started looking for it in the optics. We were

grossly misled because with the sextant off-focus

what we saw appeared to be cylinder.

Armstrong: Or really two rings.

Aldrin: Yes.

Armstrong: Two rings. Two connected rings.

Collins: No, it looked like a hollow cylinder to me. It didn't

look like two connected rings. You could see this

thing tumbling and, when it came around end-on, you

could look right down in its guts. It was a hollow

cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the

sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book

shape. It was really weird.

Aldrin: I guess there's not too much more to say about it

other than it wasn't cylinder.

Collins: It was during the period when we thought it was a

cylinder that we inquired about the S-IVB and we'd

almost convinced ourselves that's what it had to be.

But we don't have any more conclusions than that

really. The fact that we didn't see it much past this

one time period - we really don't have a conclusion

as to what it might have been, how big it was, or how

far away it was. It was something that wasn't part of

the urine dump, we're pretty sure of that. Skipping

ahead a bit, when we jettisoned the LM, you know we

fired an explosive charge and got rid of the docking

rings and the LM went boom. Pieces came off the LM.

It could have been some Mylar or something that had

somehow come loose from the LM.

Aldrin: We thought it could have been a panel, but it didn't

appear to have that shape at all.

Collins: That's right, and for some reason, we thought it

might have been a part of the High Gain Antenna. It

might have been about the time we had high gain

antenna problems. In the back of my mind, I have some

reason to suspect that its origin was from the

spacecraft.

Aldrin: The other observation that I made accumulated

gradually. I don't know whether I saw it the first

night, but I'm sure I saw it the second night. I was

trying to go to sleep with all the lights out. I

observed what I thought were little flashes inside

the cabin, spaced a couple of minutes apart and I

didn't think too much about it other than just a note

in my mind that they continued to be there. I

couldn't explain why my eye would see these flashes.

During trans-earth coast, we had more time and I

devoted more opportunity to investigating what this

could have been. It was at that point that I was able

to observe on two different occasions that, instead

of observing just one flash, I could see double

flashes, at points separated by maybe a foot. At

other times, I could see a line with no direction of

motion and the only thing that comes to my mind is

that this is some sort of penetration. At least

that's my guess, without much to support it; some

penetration of some object into the spacecraft that

causes an emission as it enters the cabin itself.

Sometimes it was one flash on entering. Possibly

departing from an entirely different part of the

cabin, outside the field of view. The double flashes

appeared to have an entry and then impact on

something such as the struts. For a while, I thought

it might have been some static electricity because I

was also able, in moving my hand up and down the

sleep restraint, to generate very small sparks of

static electricity. But there was a definite

difference between the two as I observed it more and

more. I tried to correlate this with the direction of

the sun.When you put the window shades up there is

still a small amount of Ieakage. You can generally

tell within 20 or 30 degrees the direction of the

sun. It seemed as though they were coming from that

general direction; however, I really couldn't say if

there was near enough evidence to support that these

things were observable on the side of the spacecraft

where the sun was. A little bit of evidence seemed to

support this. I asked the others if they had seen any

of these and, until about the last day, they hadn't.

Armstrong: Buzz, I'd seen some light, but I just always

attributed this to sunlight, because the window

covers leak a little bit of light no matter how

tightly secured. The only time I observed it was the

last night when we really looked for it. I spent

probably an hour carefully watching the inside of the

spacecraft and I probably made 50 significant

observations in this period.

Aldrin: Sometimes a minute or two would go by and then you'd

see two within the space of 10 seconds. On an

average, I'd say just as a guess it was maybe

something like one a minute. Certainly more than

enough to convince you that it wasn't an optical

illusion. It did give you a rather funny feeling to

contemplate that something was zapping through the

cabin. There wasn't anything you could do about it.

Armstrong: It could be something like Buzz suggested. Mainly a

neutron or some kind of an atomic particle that would

be in the visible spectrum.

Do you actually have any idea what you're reading there in that report?

[mcrom901]

Not knowing what something is, is not the same thing as lying.

u do actually believe that the person talking in those videos in indeed buzz right?

i suggest you check them again..... there are also mentioned in "quotes" his statements based on those videos

if u still feel that he is telling the truth...... then maybe i have been abducted

its also funny how the same standard (Not knowing what something is, is not the same thing as lying) is not neutrally applied for others.... i mean the so called 'crazy' researchers

A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone's feelings or to avoid a punishment. To lie is to state something that one knows to be false or that one has not reasonably ascertained to be true with the intention that it be taken for the truth by oneself or someone else. A liar is a person who is lying, who has previously lied, or who tends by nature to lie repeatedly.

Mr. Sibrel assaulted a senior citizen by shoving him with a book (Bible). If you choose to confront people you think are "LIARS" in this manner I strongly suggest you keep an attorney on retainer...you'll be needing legal representation.

luckily i'm not a journalist & more importantly i dont need anybody to reconfirm to me; whether they had lied........... but its fun, seeing scenarios like this

guerilla journalism needs special controlling to get the desired results...... for example, in the case of alex jones..... he always seems to be all fired up & exploding.....

but in this classic.. with david gergen about the bohemian grove, he plays damn cooooool

then you have more serious versions like..... Benjamin Fulford interviews David Rockefeller

but u gotta check this one...... Peter Popoff

[Captain Zim]

Cosmic rays (not well documented at the time) and possibly some piece of debris. Certainly doesn't seem to be an alien spacecraft following them. But from their description not the SLA panels. Those were jettisoned when the CSM came free, and then the CSM extracted the LM. Sometime after the extraction, the CSLM made a burn. This is why the S-IVB was 6000 miles away. AFAIK the S-IVB did not make any further burns. The SLA panels would have been aproximately 1 000 000 feet away from the S-IVB, since they jettisoned at no more than 10fps and the sighting was supposedly 1 day into the mission. There is no way this tangential ~10fps is enough to alter the trajectory significantly enough to make it outrun the S-IVB by 5 000 miles or so. Also the trajectory was hyperbolic... there was no way a sideways dispersion will bring it to meet the spacecraft again (as with shuttles running into their own urine dumps 1/2 an orbit later).

Finally, it's obvious from the description that it wasn't an SLA panel. The astronauts weren't so dumb as to not recognise a part of their own spacecraft, and the description sounds nothing like it.

The only way this was an SLA panel was if the conspiracy nuts are correct and they stayed in LEO the whole time. It was probably a piece of packaging or some other crud that worked free.

Edited May 24, 2009 by Captain Zim

[MID]

The SLA panels would have been aproximately 1 000 000 feet away from the S-IVB, since they jettisoned at no more than 10fps and the sighting was supposedly 1 day into the mission. There is no way this tangential ~10fps is enough to alter the trajectory significantly enough to make it outrun the S-IVB by 5 000 miles or so. Also the trajectory was hyperbolic... there was no way a sideways dispersion will bring it to meet the spacecraft again (as with shuttles running into their own urine dumps 1/2 an orbit later).

Captain...this particular sighting by the Apollo 11 crew took place on the evening July 18, around 9:00pm EDT, about 60 hours into the mission. at 5 FPS lateral separation velocity, the thing would've been almost 200 miles away...at 10 FPS, 410 miles away. It didn't out run the SIV-B. Nor did the CSM. The SIV-B was slowed down by venting of it's remaining fuel. This placed the SIV-B in a solar orbit, and well behind the spacecraft, and the SLA panels (which were moving at the same velocity as the spacecraft, with a slight outward relative velocity.

Finally, it's obvious from the description that it wasn't an SLA panel. The astronauts weren't so dumb as to not recognise a part of their own spacecraft, and the description sounds nothing like it.

At that distance, no one could recognize an SLA panel with the low power monocular (you'd need a pretty decent telscope). They saw a changing, flashing, non descript shape, in a place where Houston thought one of the panels might be. Based upon descriptions, and trajectory calculations, that is the prosaic explanation, certainly the most probable.

The fact is, they had pretty much concluded that on the evening of July 18 1969, after having observed the thing and thinking about it for about an hour. The ground eventually came up with the same idea.

The only way this was an SLA panel was if the conspiracy nuts are correct and they stayed in LEO the whole time.

Actually, since the SLA panels were at the same velocity they were, with an outward vector, it makes perfect sense that it was one of them....

[mcrom901]

Finally, it's obvious from the description that it wasn't an SLA panel. The astronauts weren't so dumb as to not recognise a part of their own spacecraft, and the description sounds nothing like it.

yups.... totally agree on that one

and how would two of them get together & start chasing the crew in the criss-cross mode in the same (i mean opposite) directions???

is nasa hiding something about the installed flashing lights on these panels? and more importantly do they (or how do they) shape-shift?

[mcrom901]

Actually, since the SLA panels were at the same velocity they were, with an outward vector, it makes perfect sense that it was one of them....

do u seriously believe all those explanations you provided are "scientifically" concluded?

[MID]

and how would two of them get together & start chasing the crew in the criss-cross mode in the same (i mean opposite) directions???

What are you talking about?

You have this habit recently of interjecting nonsense into a discussion.

Chasing the crew and criss-crossing?

No such thing occurred.

is nasa hiding something about the installed flashing lights on these panels? and more importantly do they (or how do they) shape-shift?

Flashing lights?

Shape-shift?

C'mon, man.

You can't make one of these things out from hundreds of miles away. The "flashing lights" were obviously reflections of the sun.

[MID]

do u seriously believe all those explanations you provided are "scientifically" concluded?

Yes, the prosaic explanation is scientific, and no, it was never concluded.

Do you understand what that means?

It was a UFO, because it was not identifiable.

It has been concluded (40 years ago, in fact) because of the most reasonable and probable explanation.

[Hazzard]

Comon MID... who gives a rats butt about "the most reasonable and probable explanation", when we can have an alien starship flying side by side with the Apollo, doing some flashing morse code type of deal......warning them to stay of the moon.

Edited May 24, 2009 by Hazzard

[the_UNKNOWN_DEAD]

if u still feel that he is telling the truth...... then maybe i have been abducted.

I guess excessive probing could explain your confusion.

[the_UNKNOWN_DEAD]

...warning them to stay of(f) the moon.

Yeah...stay off the Moon or else....what a minute...or else what??? If memory serves, Apollo 11 came off without a hitch.

The moral being that ET threats an be safely ignored

[MID]

Comon MID... who gives a rats butt about "the most reasonable and probable explanation", when we can have an alien starship flying side by side with the Apollo, doing some flashing morse code type of deal......warning them to stay of the moon.

Well...you make a point, Hazz.

It's alot more fun to have an alien craft flying along...!

[MID]

Yeah...stay off the Moon or else....what a minute...or else what??? If memory serves, Apollo 11 came off without a hitch.

The moral being that ET threats an be safely ignored

Interesting idea, UNKNOWN...

Then again...Apollo 11 was not exactly hitchless. There were some hairy moments getting down there.

But--we did successfully accomplish the whole thing, so maybe alien warnings are just a bunch of crap???!!!

[Lilly]

Then again...Apollo 11 was not exactly hitchless. There were some hairy moments getting down there.

But--we did successfully accomplish the whole thing, so maybe alien warnings are just a bunch of crap???!!!

Ok, I'm confused now....let's look at some of these 'ideas', shall we:

1) We didn't go to the moon at all, it was filmed in the Arizona desert.

2) We either went to the moon, or tried to go there, but we were 'warned off' by aliens.

3) We went to the moon alright, but there was a secret alien base there and/or alien ruins (the statues).

4) All the astronauts are 'in on' this conspiracy (whichever one you choose).

Does anyone else see how all this is just a teeny bit contradictory?