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that's awful these guys risked their lives for space exploration and get called liars for seeing something that is unidentified... what has this world come to?

I believe that every astronaut that was involved in the Apollo moon landings is a liar.

I don't think any of those landings ever took place, to this very day. The whole project was just another multi-billion dollar rip-off of the American taxpayer.

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I believe that every astronaut that was involved in the Apollo moon landings is a liar.

I don't think any of those landings ever took place, to this very day. The whole project was just another multi-billion dollar rip-off of the American taxpayer.

KennyB

Are you really saying that the Apollo program was faked? Astronauts Lied?You and Me my Freind Need to Go a few Rounds in my Smoker! :rolleyes:

We Did Go to the Moon and Nasa and the Great Astronauts Are Real American Hero`s!

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I believe that every astronaut that was involved in the Apollo moon landings is a liar.

I don't think any of those landings ever took place, to this very day. The whole project was just another multi-billion dollar rip-off of the American taxpayer.

KennyB

Yea...and you're currently on line because of that rip off.

Just drive on by, make a post like that, and decline any requests for substantiation of your positon.

Are you doing that again, or will you finally put up something to back yourself up?

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Brings to mind a Song there Mid! KennyB`s " Your Mama dont dance and your Daddy Dont Rock-n-Roll" WHat an Era !

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When it comes to UFOlogy, Id say that 90% is BS,... and the rest is simply Unexplainable.

then why the need to try and sweep something 'unexplainable' under the bs rug as a "prosaic mundane'ty"?

The crew did indeed report to earth about another tiny object they watched through their monocular. To some of the astronauts, it looked cylindrical, just like their spent rocket stage which was known to be pacing them in a parallel orbit. Said Armstrong, "It was right at the limit of resolution of the eye; it was very difficult to tell just what shape it was." NASA's reasonable assumption was that it was indeed the rocket stage, since it was behaving just like a rocket stage should; other Apollo flights had reported much the same thing.

The Apollo-11 UFO Incidents

by James Oberg

Excerpt from UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries

http://www.debunker.com/texts/apollo11.html

the crew never reported the sighting to mission control.... :hmm:

July 16, 1969-Apollo 11: This was a mission on which a UFO reportedly chased the spacecraft. "Reportedly, " indeed, but not very accurate. Actually, several UFO stories have attached themselves barnacle-like to man's first moon landing. A photo of an insulation fragment taken soon after third-stage separation has been widely published as a "UFO." The astronauts watched their booster through a telescope on the way to the moon. A series of "UFO photos" allegedly taken by astronaut Aldrin in lunar orbit are actually forgeries by a Japanese UFO magazine. An alleged "astronaut radio conversation " describing a UFO ambush is a hoax.

Astronaut "UFO" Sightings

James Oberg

http://www.debunker.com/texts/astronaut_ufo.html

well..... :rolleyes:

Mission Control: 'Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB is about 6,000 nautical miles from you now, over.'

Buzz: 'We really didn't think we were looking at something that far away.'

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its seems buzzy's head is gettin a diameter the size of the globe + some time travel gadgets too..... ^_^

in the the following interview he is asked whether aliens have ever landed on this planet?

http://67.72.16.166/wfan/2284408.mp3

buzz: "NO"

"Well if you want to read my wonderful science-fiction story, I might have to change my mind."

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It took a long time, but it sure relieves alot of the burden, I'll tell you that!

What you're saying here is a confirmation that <b>even if you were able to find someone who was involved with the analysis that pointed at the SLA panel, that you wouldn't trust it, because it would've necessarily come from NASA!</b>

Great!

So, you're unwilling to search for the substantiation because you wouldn't trust it.

That leaves you on your own, and reduces your argument to your own ideas about it, and relieves you of any burden to obtain the opposing substantiation. Since there's no other data in existance regarding this (if anyone formerly at NASA even has anything about it at all), I suppose you have no direction to go in whatsoever.

the panel story is simply bs..... link

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@mid.... i think you missed the details of that post.... no need to follow the link.... check here....

details from the cnn interview....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/13/lkl.02.html

BUZZ ALDRIN, FORMER ASTRONAUT/APOLLO 11: What did I see? Well, we -- the first day out, maybe six hours after launch, we were scheduled to make a mid-course correction. And I'd like to show you a few things in this rocket just to point out the condition that we were in. During launch, this boost protective cover comes off, hopefully not with the command module attached. And then the first stage drops off, the second stage drops off. Unfortunately, I can't take this apart, but there's the third stage and inside is the lunar module. And this is the command and service module.

Once after going in orbit and a half around the earth we fire for five minutes, this engine here, and we head toward the moon. Now shortly after that, we separate the command and service module. And it turns around like this. And it docks with the lunar module. I'm going to have to be pretty ambidextrous.

KING: Are we getting to a UFO?

ALDRIN: We're getting to that, yes.

which according to the actual data; was @ met.....

003:16:54 Collins (onboard): Here we go.

003:16:55 Armstrong (onboard): Okay, Houston; we're about to Sep.

003:16:58 Collins (onboard): Thrusting...

[Mike thrusts forward in the plus-X direction with the small Reaction Control System engines, so that when Buzz pushes the Sep (Separation) button on Panel 2, the CSM immediately starts to move away from the S-IVB stage and the jettisoned panels.]

003:16:59 Armstrong: Houston, we're about to Sep.

003:17:00 Armstrong (onboard): Sep!

003:17:02 McCandless: This is Houston. We copy.

003:17:03 Aldrin (onboard): Look at that trash.

003:17:05 Armstrong (onboard): Sep complete.

003:18:15 Aldrin (onboard): Your Man(ual) Att(itude), Pitch, to Accel Command?

003:18:19 Armstrong (onboard): It went to Rate - Okay, I see an SLA panel going out.

[This is one of the four Spacecraft Launch-vehicle Adaptor panels which contained the Lunar Module during launch. They were jettisoned by partial hinges once they had rotated 45° away from the LM.]

003:18:23 Aldrin (onboard): Okay, you got to get a pitch rate in there -

003:18:30 Armstrong (onboard): See that SLA panel?

003:18:35 Aldrin (onboard): Is it flying - yet?

003:18:37 Collins (onboard): It's alright. She's darn well unbelievable - something.

003:18:47 Armstrong (onboard): I see it...

003:18:50 Aldrin (onboard): Do I need some circuit breaker in to get - -

003:18:52 Armstrong (onboard): I see another - No, that's alright.

003:18:54 Aldrin (onboard): ... to get this camera going? Mike?

003:18:57 Collins (onboard): No, you need the power on over there, though.

003:19:00 Aldrin (onboard): I turned it on.

003:19:01 Armstrong (onboard): I got it. ... beautiful.

003:22:23 Aldrin (onboard): How far out are you, Mike?

003:22:25 Collins (onboard): I'm still quite a ways. That's definitely an SLA panel - there's no doubt about that. Sure looks like... panel.

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 4 hours, 34 minutes. Apollo 11's velocity is 14,972 feet per second. Its distance from Earth is 15,895 nautical miles. Spacecraft weight: 96,760.9 pounds. We're about 5 minutes away from the evasive maneuver that will ensure there will be no problems of re-contact between the spacecraft and the S-IVB stage of the launch vehicle.

Day 1, part 3: Transposition, Docking and Extraction

continuation of the interview from larry king....

ALDRIN: Right. Now notice these three and four panels. Whenever the command module separates and turns around, those panels go off in four different directions. The rocket -- now we're separated from the rocket, and the rocket and the spacecraft, the lunar module and command module, are heading towards the moon.

Now we orient perpendicular to the plane of the sun, the earth and the moon, and rotate slowly like this. And we can look out these windows and see the earth drift by and see the moon drift by.

additional data.....

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Imagine the point where this line intersects the planet's surface. We can further imagine a flat plane at this point parallel to the horizontal. Obviously, as the spacecraft moves across the planet, the absolute orientation of this plane keeps changing but it provides a useful reference for orbital velocity computation. In this arrangement, the plus-Z axis is along the vertical line towards the planetary centre, the plus-X axis is in the direction of orbital motion parallel to the local horizontal and the plus-Y axis is perpendicular to the orbital plane.

http://history.nasa.gov/ap11fj/02earth-orbit-tli.htm

cnn cntd....

KING: And what did you see?

ALDRIN: And I saw a light out there, OK. This is after we had witnessed the upper stage rocket next to us make an evasive maneuver to miss the moon. Later missions, it crashed into the moon so that we could determine the seismic effect of crashing into the moon.

KING: So you saw a light?

ALDRIN: So we saw a light and we thought, I wonder what that is. You know there are a lot of lights out there when you're not looking in the direction of the sun. There are a lot of stars. And they're all fixed relative to each other.

KING: What was unusual...

ALDRIN: Now when one of them starts moving or it's moving, and we know that that's another object. It's not a star.

and when was that.....

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 5 hours, 11 minutes into the mission. The S-IVB slingshot maneuver was completed about 5 minutes ago. Designed to put the third stage of the launch vehicle into a trajectory that will take it behind the trailing edge of the Moon and then into a solar orbit. The crew did not witness this maneuver. The Command Module was not in the proper attitude where they could see the S-IVB at the time. We've advised the crew that we do not believe that we'll do the first midcourse correction. That we'll wait for midcourse correction 2 tomorrow and expect a Delta-V to be performed in that maneuver of about 21.3 feet per second. We've also had some other brief transmissions including, eh, comments from Neil Armstrong on the view out the window, and a weather report on the part of the world he can see. We have the tape of these transmissions that have occurred during the news conference at the Cape. We'll play that for you now and catch up live.

cntd.....

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Now, we know that if we were to say, Houston, we've a light out the window. It going along with us, heading for the moon. A lot of these guys are going to go ape, you know. And it's really going to endanger the mission and occupy a lot of our time trying to explain what's going on.

KING: All right.

ALDRIN: So we very shrewdly, Neil did, said, "Houston, where is the upper stage?" They didn't know right away. But they said we'll check with the guys in the back room. The guys in the back room in 10 minutes came back and said, "It's 6,000 miles away."

and when was that.....

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 60 hours, 37 minutes. We said goodbye - goodnight to the crew about 10 minutes ago. We expect that they will be settling down for their rest period shortly. At the present time, Apollo 11 is 184,600 nautical miles [341,800 km] from Earth. The spacecraft velocity is presently 3,023 feet per second [921 m/s].

060:45:38 Armstrong: Houston, Apollo 11.

060:45:41 Duke: Go ahead, 11. Over.

060:45:46 Armstrong: Do you have any idea where the S-IVB is with respect to us?

[The crew have noticed an unexplained flashing object out of the window, which appears to be catching the sunlight as it tumbles. Neil is wondering whether it is the abandoned third stage of the Saturn launch vehicle.]

060:45:50 Duke: Stand by.

[Long comm break.]

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 60 hours, 47 minutes. We just got a call from the spacecraft requesting that we give them the position of the S-IVB in respect to the spacecraft and we're currently coming up with that bit of information, so we'll stand by.

060:49:02 Duke: Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB's about 6,000 nautical miles from you now. Over. [Pause.]

060:49:14 Armstrong: Okay. Thank you.

Day 3, part 3: Flight Plan Updates

anyways... lets continue....

Well, we figured that's not what we're looking at. So we started thinking a little bit more about these four panels.

well.... we can't know for sure what they actually were thinking.... however the details from the debriefing paints a totally different picture.... nonetheless its important to keep in mind as to 'when' the s-ivb & sla panels were in fact separated....

finally....

And I'd seen a graph where it showed the separation distance that was calculated before liftoff, before the whole mission went of where these panels would be in case the spacecraft made some maneuver. And they guaranteed there would be no contact.

though its true that these reports did confirm the 'no contact' factor.... but i don't understand as to how he is trying to appeal to authority here....

Apollo 9 SLA panel jettison separation and recontact analysis (5.98mb PDF)

Apollo 11 - Trajectory Reconstruction & Postflight Analysis (4.6mb PDF)

here is oberg's response......

Wow, good original research. Sincere kudos.

Aren't we all overlooking another powerful argument that what they were looking at were spacecraft-generated objects?

These sightings on mission after mission were all on the way out from the Earth.

None reported on the way back. Nor was there any spacecraft-related debris on that leg.

Hmmmm?

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and here are those debriefing details....

Aldrin: Yes, and we werent sure but that it might be the S-IVB [saturn Rocket Third Stage]. We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6000 miles away. We had a problem with the High Gain about this time, didn't we?

Collins: There was something. We felt a bump or maybe I just imagined it.

Armstrong: He was wondering whether the MESA [Modular Equipment Stowage Assembly] had come off.

Collins: I don't guess we felt anything.

Aldrin: Of course, we were seeing all sorts of little objects going by at the various dumps and then we happened to see this one brighter object going by. We couldnt think of anything else it could be other than the S-IVB. We looked at it through the monocular and it seemed to have a bit of an L-shape to it.

Armstrong: Like an open suitcase.

Aldrin: We were in PTC [Passive Thermal Control] at the time so each one of us had a chance to take a look at this and it certainly seemed to be within our vicinity and of a very sizeable dimension.

Armstrong: We should say that it was right at the limit of the resolution of the eye. It was very difficult to tell just what shape it was. And there was no way to tell the size without knowing the range or the range without knowing the size.

Aldrin: So then I got down in the LEB [Lower Equipment Bay] and started looking for it in the optics. We were grossly misled because with the sextant off-focus what we saw appeared to be cylinder.

Armstrong: Or really two rings.

Aldrin: Yes.

Armstrong: Two rings. Two connected rings.

Collins: No, it looked like a hollow cylinder to me. It didn't look like two connected rings. You could see this thing tumbling and, when it came around end-on, you could look right down in its guts. It was a hollow cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book shape. It was really weird.

Aldrin: I guess there's not too much more to say about it other than it wasn't cylinder.

Collins: It was during the period when we thought it was a cylinder that we inquired about the S-IVB and we'd almost convinced ourselves that's what it had to be. But we dont have any more conclusions than that really. The fact that we didnt see it much past this one time period - we really don't have a conclusion as to what it might have been, how big it was, or how far away it was. It was something that wasnt part of the urine dump, were pretty sure of that. Skipping ahead a bit, when we jettisoned the LM, you know we fired an explosive charge and got rid of the docking rings and the LM went boom. Pieces came off the LM. It could have been some Mylar or something that had somehow come loose from the LM.

Aldrin: We thought it could have been a panel, but it didnt appear to have that shape at all.

Collins: That's right, and for some reason, we thought it might have been a part of the High Gain Antenna. It might have been about the time we had high gain antenna problems. In the back of my mind, I have some reason to suspect that its origin was from the spacecraft.

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11TechCrewDebrfV1_2.pdf

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<!--quoteo(post=2902377:date=May 23 2009, 01:14 PM:name=mcrom901)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mcrom901 @ May 23 2009, 01:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2902377"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->no.... this is what happens when somebody literally <b>LIES</b> i.e. confirms different stories to represent the same isolated subject..... if u have checked the presented material..... then i'm sure you will notice the contradictions....... <b>unidentified, ellipses, L-shape, 99.99% man made, 0.01% extraterrestial, light, panels, venus!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/passifier.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":passifier:" border="0" alt="passifier.gif" /> balloons?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Not knowing what something is, is not the same thing as lying.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->sibrel had the guts to show in his own way how LIARS should be confronted.....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Mr. Sibrel assaulted a senior citizen by shoving him with a book (Bible). If you choose to confront people you think are "LIARS" in this manner I strongly suggest you keep an attorney on retainer...you'll be needing legal representation.

What the hell? I have to agree with you here, calling him a liar is a bit.. harsh? People need to calm down. :huh:

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What the hell? I have to agree with you here, calling him a liar is a bit.. harsh? People need to calm down. :huh:

and why is that? what makes him immune?

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Aldrin: Yes, and we werent sure but that it might be the S-IVB [saturn Rocket Third Stage]. We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6000 miles away. We had a problem with the High Gain about this time, didn't we?

hmmmm....... electromagnetic effects? :w00t:

059:50:16 Duke: Roger. Thank you, Mike. Could you give us some help? This PTC is strange: it's not like anything we've seen before and we were wondering if y'all have had any vents or any odd data that could help us out. Over.

059:50:35 Collins: I didn't understand that. Say again.

059:50:38 Duke: Roger. We're looking at a - sort of a funny looking PTC. We've already drifted out to 70 degrees in pitch and we're wondering if you all have had any vents or any such thing as that, that could have caused us to pick up these rates to drive us off. Over. [Long pause.]

059:51:09 Collins: Negative, Charlie. We don't know of anything.

059:51:11 Duke: Roger.

059:51:13 Collins: Unless it's got something to do with that entry from the position that we want to be in. I don't know.

059:51:21 Duke: Roger. When we started off, it looked real fine to us. Now it's drifting off with a funny pattern that we haven't seen previously on a flight. And we're just trying to figure out - I think we'll probably start it over again. We'll be with you momentarily. Over.

059:51:39 Collins: Okay.

:blink:

060:45:38 Armstrong: Houston, Apollo 11.

060:45:41 Duke: Go ahead, 11. Over.

060:45:46 Armstrong: Do you have any idea where the S-IVB is with respect to us?

060:45:50 Duke: Stand by.

060:49:02 Duke: Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB's about 6,000 nautical miles from you now. Over. [Pause.]

060:49:14 Armstrong: Okay. Thank you.

060:50:07 Collins: Houston, Apollo 11. How's the PTC looking?

060:50:11 Duke: Stand by. [Long pause.]

060:50:32 Duke: 11, Houston. The PTC looks great to us. Over.

060:50:38 Collins: Okay, do you have any idea what happened the previous one?

060:50:42 Duke: We have absolutely no idea. Over.

060:50:49 Collins: Okay. Did, it look like it was all right, then just all of a sudden start diverging?

060:50:57 Duke: That's negative, Mike. If you look at the plot, which we'll save for you and let you see it postflight, it's got - it started off immediately on the first rev and just spiraled out to about, oh, 20 to - 20 degrees in pitch, and then it seemed to be setting up a spiral around an offset pitch point of about 20 degrees off from 90 degrees; but we didn't want to take a chance that it would become stable at that point. We thought it might diverge, and so we called you and started over again. Over.

060:51:39 Collins: Okay, no complaints. I was just curious as to what had happened.

http://history.nasa.gov/ap11fj/10day3-flight-plan-update.htm

"Reports of anomalous aerial objects (AAO) appearing in the atmosphere continue to be made by pilots of almost every airline and air force of the world in addition to private and experimental test pilots.

This paper presents a review of 56 reports of AAO in which electromagnetic effects (E-M) take place on-board the aircraft when the phenomenon is located nearby but not before it appeared or after it had departed.

Reported E-M effects included radio interference or total failure, radar contact with and without simultaneous visual contact, magnetic and/or gyro-compass deviations, automatic direction finder failure or interference, engine stopping or interruption, dimming cabin lights, transponder failure, and military aircraft weapon system failure.

We're not dealing with mental projections or hallucinations on the part of the witness but with a real physical phenomenon."

Dr. Richard Haines, Psychologist specializing in pilot and astronaut "human factors" research for the Ames NASA Research Center in California-Chief of the Space Human Factors Office.

FIFTY-SIX AIRCRAFT PILOT SIGHTINGS INVOLVING ELECTROMAGNETIC EFFECTS

:rolleyes:

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here's the complete clip re the video which was linked in the op....

:rolleyes:

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here's the complete clip re the video which was linked in the op....

:rolleyes:

:tu::cat::geek:

It must be like Clapham Junction up there.....LOL

What with the 'critters' ...the Tether Incident...etc etc.

He's a bit of a dark horse, Buzz Aldrin, isn't he...

Mmmmmmmmmm....('if you choose')...'God put it there' :)

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