but don't vote for the BNP, plead Archbishops

[chemical-licker]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...rchbishops.html

Head to the polls on June 4 but don't vote for the BNP, plead Archbishops

Britain's two most senior Church leaders will today plead with the public not to vote for the British National Party in next month’s European elections in protest at MPs’ lavish expenses.

In a rare joint statement, the Archbishops of Canterbury and York will acknowledge the ‘understandable’ anger that the furore over Commons allowances has caused.

But Dr Rowan Williams and Dr John Sentamu will say that at a time of ‘extraordinary turbulence’ voters must avoid rewarding the ‘divisive’ BNP.

Joint statement: Archbishop of York Dr John Sentamu (left) and Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams

Their unprecedented intervention follows an opinion poll showing that more than a quarter of the electorate are planning to reject the Westminster Establishment in the June 4 elections.

In their statement, the Archbishops say: ‘The temptation to stay away or register a protest vote in order to send a negative signal to the parties represented at Westminster will be strong.

‘In our view, however, it would be tragic if the understandable sense of anger and disillusionment with some MPs over recent revelations led voters to shun the ballot box.’

They say it is ‘crucial’ to elect people who wish to uphold democratic values and work for the ‘common good in a spirit of public service’, which they say ‘urgently needs to be reaffirmed in these difficult days’.

The Archbishops, whose statement was agreed at a meeting of all the Church of England bishops last week, are particularly worried that the BNP may benefit from voters’ determination to punish mainstream parties.

The Church leaders are alarmed by the BNP’s attempt to ‘hijack’ the Church by claiming to be the party that will best defend Britain’s Christian values.

To emphasise their distance from the political party, the Church of England General Synod voted earlier this year to ban clergy from joining the BNP.

The Archbishops say in the statement: ‘Christians have been deeply disturbed by the conscious adoption by the BNP of the language of our faith...to foster fear and division...especially between people of different faiths or racial backgrounds.

‘This is not a moment for voting in favour of any political party whose core ideology is about sowing division in our communities and hostility on grounds of race, creed or colour.’

Speaking to The Mail on Sunday, Dr Sentamu added: ‘I would urge people to walk the middle road, avoiding the ditches of extremism on either side.

‘Guilt by association has always been a weapon of dictators. So we must be careful not to smear all local and European candidates with the wrongdoing of some in Westminster.’

He also urged people to use their vote, saying: ‘It saddens me that Britain – the mother of representative parliamentary democracy – has such a low turnout for elections and one of the lowest in comparative systems.’

The statement follows a newspaper article in which Dr Williams attacked MPs who defend excessive expense claims by insisting that ‘no rules were broken’.

Writing in The Times, he called for a return to personal integrity, but he also said it was time to stop humiliating politicians or risk seriously damaging the democratic system.

The new head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, Archbishop Vincent Nichols, said MPs had given way to the ‘easy temptation of greed’.

He added: ‘The challenge is not to hide behind the rules, but to manifest the kind of virtue that we need.’

What a bunch of backward nazis's these god people think they are. Why must i be told how to think?

Right 1 of my icons is needed

[Bill Hill]

right, let me get get this straight,

If I vote for the BNP, it'll p*** off the church, the conservatives, the liberals, the guardian and daily mail.

it's a done deal, I'm voting for them.

ahhhha ha haaaa!

[Admiral Danger]

What a bunch of backward nazis's these god people think they are. Why must i be told how to think?

Right 1 of my icons is needed

thats what i was thinking. the icon...

but i dont think that the bnp is a real threat anyway. unless there are idiots who dont know who the bnp are really for

british national party = british nazis.

Edited May 23, 2009 by Dr Alien

[chemical-licker]

british national party = british nazis.

Liberal nazis< but i guess you aint been taught that

[acidhead]

british national party = british nazis.

Liberal nazis< but i guess you aint been taught that

They who can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety--Benjamin Franklin..

[Space Commander Travis]

(UNBELIEVABLE) NAZIS I SAY

Oh, good morning, my name's Mike Godwin. I believe I'm owed £2.50 in royalties. Thank you very much.

[itsnotoutthere]

right, let me get get this straight,

If I vote for the BNP, it'll p*** off the church, the conservatives, the liberals, the guardian and daily mail.

it's a done deal, I'm voting for them.

ahhhha ha haaaa!

Seconded.

[itsnotoutthere]

er......wasn't Rowen Williams the d**khead that suggested that we incorporate sharia law into the british legal system?

[Bill Hill]

er......wasn't Rowen Williams the d**khead that suggested that we incorporate sharia law into the british legal system?

ah ha ha yep that's the tool..

him and that gappy toothed coconut..

[Wyvernkeeper]

Wasnt the archbishop speaking because the BNP are making a strong effort to suggest they are the defenders of Christian values in the UK. I think Rowan Williams wanted to make the case that the church was the defender of Christian values in the UK.

The BNP may appear laughable atm but theres no need to vote for them out of spite at the rest of the political system, vote green, UKIP or independent if you must but dont vote BNP. How can they be trusted, they even lie about the people on their leaflet http://guerrilla-welsh-fare.blogspot.com/2...aflet-lies.html , and now have a movement with an uncanny resemblance to the Hitler youth, complete with a racist puppet. http://youth.bnp.org.uk/

The fact is that the BNP will do and say whatever is necessary, notice how they are trying to present themselves as not racist but simply against 'multiculturelism.' As if anyone believes it hides their true agenda....

Edited May 25, 2009 by Wyvernkeeper

[atom286]

right, let me get get this straight,

If I vote for the BNP, it'll p*** off the church, the conservatives, the liberals, the guardian and daily mail.

it's a done deal, I'm voting for them.

ahhhha ha haaaa!

Put my name down too!

Immigrants everywhere, Eu, Corrupt Mp's, recession, liberals running the church, high crime, low paid jobs, lack of jobs, BNP, BNP, BNP!

[atom286]

british national party = british nazis.

Liberal nazis< but i guess you aint been taught that

Liberal Fascism is very real.

[Cradle of Fish]

Put my name down too!

Immigrants everywhere, Eu, Corrupt Mp's, recession, liberals running the church, high crime, low paid jobs, lack of jobs, BNP, BNP, BNP!

How weak must the British be to want to turn to fascism at this point. Kicking out all the Africans and the Pakistanis and the Polish aren't going to make the problems go away, because after they're all gone and there's still high crime and unemployment, who do you blame next? Irish? Catholics? Intellectuals? People who aren't pro-Monarchy? A diverse society is usually a more resilient one, that doesn't mean you have to love and accept everyone, but if you look at the most disfunctional countries in the past and present, Iran with it's 89% Shia Muslims, North Korea with it's Communists, you'll see it's true. Cuba kicked out all the people they didn't want and they just flourished didn't they?

What could you possibly build out of just white anglo-saxon protestants?

[Wyvernkeeper]

How weak must the British be to want to turn to fascism at this point. Kicking out all the Africans and the Pakistanis and the Polish aren't going to make the problems go away, because after they're all gone and there's still high crime and unemployment, who do you blame next? Irish? Catholics? Intellectuals? People who aren't pro-Monarchy? A diverse society is usually a more resilient one, that doesn't mean you have to love and accept everyone, but if you look at the most disfunctional countries in the past and present, Iran with it's 89% Shia Muslims, North Korea with it's Communists, you'll see it's true. Cuba kicked out all the people they didn't want and they just flourished didn't they?

What could you possibly build out of just white anglo-saxon protestants?

Besides, Britain is culturally and historically based on a notion of immigration. That's the way its worked for the last 2000 years at least, sure, its caused conflict but it is the merging of cultures, languages and ideas which has given us the diversity needed to assert ourselves.

Don't worry Cradle, most of the British are not like the opinions on this board... A little economic scare isnt going to terrify most Brits into voting fascist, only the really weak-minded ones.

[atom286]

How weak must the British be to want to turn to fascism at this point. Kicking out all the Africans and the Pakistanis and the Polish aren't going to make the problems go away, because after they're all gone and there's still high crime and unemployment, who do you blame next? Irish? Catholics? Intellectuals? People who aren't pro-Monarchy? A diverse society is usually a more resilient one, that doesn't mean you have to love and accept everyone, but if you look at the most disfunctional countries in the past and present, Iran with it's 89% Shia Muslims, North Korea with it's Communists, you'll see it's true. Cuba kicked out all the people they didn't want and they just flourished didn't they?

What could you possibly build out of just white anglo-saxon protestants?

Please define fascism as I think you're getting confused.

Firstly how are we claiming that immigrants are the cause of crime and unemployment?

I thought a broken society and not protecting our own industry were the causes.

Secondly this is our nation, built by our own people. This is why we dont think immigrants have the right to be here.

Thirdly the more diverse a society the more divisions in it and the more potential for conflict. If we were all of one mind then their would be no terrorism. Also do I really need to point out that Cuba is in the state that is is because of sanctions.

Finally I dont believe the BNP are extremists and will be voting for them.

[atom286]

Besides, Britain is culturally and historically based on a notion of immigration. That's the way its worked for the last 2000 years at least, sure, its caused conflict but it is the merging of cultures, languages and ideas which has given us the diversity needed to assert ourselves.

Don't worry Cradle, most of the British are not like the opinions on this board... A little economic scare isnt going to terrify most Brits into voting fascist, only the really weak-minded ones.

Blah, Blah, Blah

[Wyvernkeeper]

Secondly this is our nation, built by our own people. This is why we dont think immigrants have the right to be here.

May I ask you then how you would feel about me, on one side I am welsh, going back as far as im aware since the dawn of history.... On my mums side Im polish i suppose, but it is four generations up from me that the family immigrated to the UK.

So atom, do I have a right to be here or am I and my family not contributing to the country. How do you feel about people whose parents are immigrants but they were born here?

[Lt_Ripley]

Please define fascism as I think you're getting confused.

Firstly how are we claiming that immigrants are the cause of crime and unemployment?

I thought a broken society and not protecting our own industry were the causes.

Secondly this is our nation, built by our own people. This is why we dont think immigrants have the right to be here.

Thirdly the more diverse a society the more divisions in it and the more potential for conflict. If we were all of one mind then their would be no terrorism. Also do I really need to point out that Cuba is in the state that is is because of sanctions.

Finally I dont believe the BNP are extremists and will be voting for them.

can you prove your families history to at least 5000 years back ?? to the original settlers before there were any humans there ? if not , if you came after , your an immigrant. ( don't forget ... Rome built alot of your nation. as did vikings ......... immigrants and occupiers.)

Same for Americans... unless your 100 % native ? your here because of an immigrant.

[Wyvernkeeper]

can you prove your families history to at least 5000 years back ?? to the original settlers before there were any humans there ? if not , if you came after , your an immigrant. ( don't forget ... Rome built alot of your nation. as did vikings ......... immigrants and occupiers.)

Same for Americans... unless your 100 % native ? your here because of an immigrant.

exactly Ripley, Britain is an island... you have to get here at some point, ie - if you live here, you're probably an immigrant.

Oh and Atom, 'blah blah blah'...... whats that about???? Upset because I said something that didnt chime with your worldview??? An illiterate answer because it would strain you intellectually to think of a valid response??? typical naive outlook and lazy worldview, no wonder you are going to vote BNP..

Edited May 25, 2009 by Wyvernkeeper

[atom286]

May I ask you then how you would feel about me, on one side I am welsh, going back as far as im aware since the dawn of history.... On my mums side Im polish i suppose, but it is four generations up from me that the family immigrated to the UK.

So atom, do I have a right to be here or am I and my family not contributing to the country. How do you feel about people whose parents are immigrants but they were born here?

Firstly we have to divide up the immigrants into catagories.

Cat 1 - These are people from nearby European nations fleeing a war zone.

Cat 2 - Other peoples fleeing a war zone.

Cat 3 - Economic migrants from half way round the planet.

Cat 1 immigrants are allowed in which is the grouping your mothers side of the family belongs too. These people have fled a warzone on our doorstep to a nearby nation with a similar culture, religion and geneology.

Immigrants fitting into the other categories shouldnt be here. The only exceptions would be if Austrailians, Candians and Americans needed to emmigrate as they are all really British anyway.

[atom286]

exactly Ripley, Britain is an island... you have to get here at some point, ie - if you live here, you're probably an immigrant.

Oh and Atom, 'blah blah blah'...... whats that about???? Upset because I said something that didnt chime with your worldview??? An illiterate answer because it would strain you intellectually to think of a valid response??? typical naive outlook and lazy worldview, no wonder you are going to vote BNP..

Sterotyping is a sign of insecurity and I will not be baited by negative put downs.

Just so you know Im energetic and passionate about my nation, I'm hard working, honest, law abiding, I'm a graduate with a high IQ, I dont drag my knucles along the ground and finally I dont have a criminal record.

I'm no differant from any other Middle Class Briton out there and judging from what I hear ohers talking about their views are the same as mine.

Edited May 25, 2009 by atom286

[atom286]

can you prove your families history to at least 5000 years back ?? to the original settlers before there were any humans there ? if not , if you came after , your an immigrant. ( don't forget ... Rome built alot of your nation. as did vikings ......... immigrants and occupiers.)

Same for Americans... unless your 100 % native ? your here because of an immigrant.

As far as I'm concerned there is no differance between the Irish, Scotish, Welsh, English, French, Dutch, Germans, Danish, Swedes, Norweigens, etc, etc.

We all blong to the same ethinc group, are bloodlines all come from the same place so in effect we are the same people.

[itsnotoutthere]

Besides, Britain is culturally and historically based on a notion of immigration. That's the way its worked for the last 2000 years at least, sure, its caused conflict but it is the merging of cultures, languages and ideas which has given us the diversity needed to assert ourselves.

Don't worry Cradle, most of the British are not like the opinions on this board... A little economic scare isnt going to terrify most Brits into voting fascist, only the really weak-minded ones.

I'd put it to you that the shower of a government that are presently in power (Za-nu Labour) are indeed fascists. Under this regime we have seen a huge increase in covert surveillance of the british public, increased powers to detain people without charge, promises of referendum that are broken when they realize they might not get the outcome they want. Ambitions to add everybodys dna to a national database wether guilty or not of any crime, not to mention the theft of tax payers money to line their own pockets...the list goes on. No don't kid yourself buddy, we are already being governed by fascists. No one is more blind than those who will not see.

[atom286]

can you prove your families history to at least 5000 years back ?? to the original settlers before there were any humans there ? if not , if you came after , your an immigrant. ( don't forget ... Rome built alot of your nation. as did vikings ......... immigrants and occupiers.)

Same for Americans... unless your 100 % native ? your here because of an immigrant.

China is made out of various nations but the people all look the same dont they?

Same for Britain.

[Cradle of Fish]

Besides, Britain is culturally and historically based on a notion of immigration. That's the way its worked for the last 2000 years at least, sure, its caused conflict but it is the merging of cultures, languages and ideas which has given us the diversity needed to assert ourselves.

Don't worry Cradle, most of the British are not like the opinions on this board... A little economic scare isnt going to terrify most Brits into voting fascist, only the really weak-minded ones.

I know, if they didn't want to diversify their culture, then they wouldn't have expanded their empire to almost every continent on the planet.

Please define fascism as I think you're getting confused.

Firstly how are we claiming that immigrants are the cause of crime and unemployment?

I thought a broken society and not protecting our own industry were the causes.

Secondly this is our nation, built by our own people. This is why we dont think immigrants have the right to be here.

Thirdly the more diverse a society the more divisions in it and the more potential for conflict. If we were all of one mind then their would be no terrorism. Also do I really need to point out that Cuba is in the state that is is because of sanctions.

Finally I dont believe the BNP are extremists and will be voting for them.

That is the BNPs platform, white only, not only for preventing non-white immigration, but for reversing it. That is extreme. Nationalism is a dangerous ideology, no matter how they try to dress it up. It's led to violence everywhere it exists. They don't appear to have any ideas except "Whites good, browns bad". Do people expect them to kick all the foreigners out then all the poor chavs and single mothers will straighten themselves out?

Just because you were born in a country doesn't mean you have a divine right to live there. Citizenship should be earned by everyone. Do you really think that the 30th generation unemployed, uneducated single mother has more of a right to live in your country than the first generation African who speaks two languages and is willing to work?