but don't vote for the BNP, plead Archbishops

[Wyvernkeeper]

Firstly we have to divide up the immigrants into catagories.

Cat 1 - These are people from nearby European nations fleeing a war zone.

Cat 2 - Other peoples fleeing a war zone.

Cat 3 - Economic migrants from half way round the planet.

Cat 1 immigrants are allowed in which is the grouping your mothers side of the family belongs too. These people have fled a warzone on our doorstep to a nearby nation with a similar culture, religion and geneology.

Immigrants fitting into the other categories shouldnt be here. The only exceptions would be if Austrailians, Candians and Americans needed to emmigrate as they are all really British anyway.

Im afraid your assumptions are incorrect, my mother's father's parents who were the polish immigrants came to the UK before WWII, my grandad was almost a young man at the start of the war and in 1941 or 42 he signed up (underage at 16 years old) for the fleet air arm, where he flew planes until the end of the war. Imagine that, the son of an immigrant fighting on your behalf, whatever next. My mother's mother comes from a jewish family that had lived in Norwich since at least 1750, immigrants too technically, but i'd say they've done their part for old Blighty by now.

I think ozzies canadians and americans might have something to say about 'them all being british anyway.' If they are all british then you could easily say we are all Norman, in which case we should all sod off back to France. the only difference is timescale, which is fairly irrelevent if you are talking about racial groups and locations, because everyone has a different scale by which they judge. How far back to the past counts?

Sterotyping is a sign of insecurity and I will not be baited by negative put downs.

Just so you know Im energetic and passionate about my nation, I'm hard working, honest, law abiding, I'm a graduate with a high IQ, I dont drag my knucles along the ground and finally I dont have a criminal record.

I'm no differant from any other Middle Class Briton out there and judging from what I hear ohers talking about their views are the same as mine.

Here is the same old, 'im only saying what others are thinking' argument. Im sorry but it is a fallacy, for you to suggest that other middle class views are the same as yours is completly absurd. You have no evidence to support a claim and are incorrect when you suggest that I was baiting you, when in fact i was honestly expressing incredulity at your train of logic.

All i will say is the BNP are successfully exploiting you, using irrational fears to get you to vote for them. You may be an intelligent graduate but like all of us you are directed emotionally as well. Your fears of immigrants come to dominate your rational knowledge.

I too am energetic and passionate about my nation, but that it because of the diversity and tolerance. Im not proud of Britain because it is white, but because it is British, and to be British means that you can be from anywhere and look like anything and still enjoy a pint and a good curry. Being British is definitely not about voting for a party that lies in its leaflets, uses lawyers to get around its obviously xenophobic issues and also seems to be making it up as they go along, populists who change their beliefs in order to capture the sensationalist emotions of the public (apparently now Jews are ok, but muslims are bad)

[Wyvernkeeper]

As far as I'm concerned there is no differance between the Irish, Scotish, Welsh, English, French, Dutch, Germans, Danish, Swedes, Norweigens, etc, etc.

We all blong to the same ethinc group, are bloodlines all come from the same place so in effect we are the same people.

so wrong.. so so wrong, here you have Teutonic, Gallic, Romano and Frankish peoples... not the same bloodlines.. If you are gonna go that fat back why not talk about the hammites and the semites, after all... 'in effect we are the same people'

I'd put it to you that the shower of a government that are presently in power (Za-nu Labour) are indeed fascists. Under this regime we have seen a huge increase in covert surveillance of the british public, increased powers to detain people without charge, promises of referendum that are broken when they realize they might not get the outcome they want. Ambitions to add everybodys dna to a national database wether guilty or not of any crime, not to mention the theft of tax payers money to line their own pockets...the list goes on. No don't kid yourself buddy, we are already being governed by fascists. No one is more blind than those who will not see.

I agree, the current govt is fascist, but Im not voting for the BNP to replace them, that would be like replacing dog dung with elephant c**p

Edited May 25, 2009 by Wyvernkeeper

[atom286]

I know, if they didn't want to diversify their culture, then they wouldn't have expanded their empire to almost every continent on the planet.

That is the BNPs platform, white only, not only for preventing non-white immigration, but for reversing it. That is extreme. Nationalism is a dangerous ideology, no matter how they try to dress it up. It's led to violence everywhere it exists. They don't appear to have any ideas except "Whites good, browns bad". Do people expect them to kick all the foreigners out then all the poor chavs and single mothers will straighten themselves out?

Just because you were born in a country doesn't mean you have a divine right to live there. Citizenship should be earned by everyone. Do you really think that the 30th generation unemployed, uneducated single mother has more of a right to live in your country than the first generation African who speaks two languages and is willing to work?

I would define an extreme view as being one which most people are against.

From that defination I would describe the Labour and Conservative parties as being extremist as they have totally ignored the British peoples views on immgiration and the EU.

You might not like Democracy when it comes to immigration and the EU but hat is my peoples right and its about time they got that right.

[Cradle of Fish]

Immigrants fitting into the other categories shouldnt be here. The only exceptions would be if Austrailians, Candians and Americans needed to emmigrate as they are all really British anyway.

Actually the Americans spilled blood to seperate themselves from the British, and but we Australians managed to do it peacefully and there's a possibility that we'll be morphing into a Republic in the near future and severing all ties to the Commonwealth.

Maybe it's time to toss the Royal Family out on their asses and move into the 21st century.

[itsnotoutthere]

''I agree, the current govt is fascist, but Im not voting for the BNP to replace them, that would be like replacing dog dung with elephant c**p''

Well...this shower are so bad that for a nano second i'd even consider voting tory to get them out, but that really would be swopping dog dung with elephant c**p.

[atom286]

so wrong.. so so wrong, here you have Teutonic, Gallic, Romano and Frankish peoples... not the same bloodlines.. If you are gonna go that fat back why not talk about the hammites and the semites, after all... 'in effect we are the same people'

I agree, the current govt is fascist, but Im not voting for the BNP to replace them, that would be like replacing dog dung with elephant c**p

The British geneology is European.

I think you should vote BNP. Even if you're worried that they might be extreme you have to admit all they can do in the European Parliment is ruin the EU which is exactly what we want.

[Wyvernkeeper]

I would define an extreme view as being one which most people are against.

From that defination I would describe the Labour and Conservative parties as being extremist as they have totally ignored the British peoples views on immgiration and the EU.

You might not like Democracy when it comes to immigration and the EU but hat is my peoples right and its about time they got that right.

You keep mentioning 'the british people' as if they are some measurable group of which you seem to be aware of all their hopes and dreams.

But none of your views reflect those of 'the british people' that i know. You sure you havnt just been reading a little too much of the Daily Mail>?

[Cradle of Fish]

I would define an extreme view as being one which most people are against.

From that defination I would describe the Labour and Conservative parties as being extremist as they have totally ignored the British peoples views on immgiration and the EU.

You might not like Democracy when it comes to immigration and the EU but hat is my peoples right and its about time they got that right.

They got about 5% of the vote in the Mayoral elections last year though. How do you explain that? Even if a lot of people are strongly anti-immigration, that doesn't mean they're racist or nationalistic enough to vote for the BNP.

[Wyvernkeeper]

The British geneology is European.

I think you should vote BNP. Even if you're worried that they might be extreme you have to admit all they can do in the European Parliment is ruin the EU which is exactly what we want.

Im sure theyd love that, a long-haired, jewish, green anarchist voting for the BNP.... THat would be the day...

The British geneology is beyond European, even if you look back to History of The Kings of England, they claim it from Troy in that, and thats not Europe. (its also not true- but it proves how nobody really knows and a blanket statement like yours is absurd)

Also, I dont mind the EU personally. The fact is that its right there, 20 miles across the channel.. We can either ignore it and let it gently sideline us, or join it and once its starts working properly, use it to our advantage.

[Beckys_Mom]

China is made out of various nations but the people all look the same dont they?

Same for Britain.

The people in the UK do not all look the same!!!!!!!!!

Britain is no differnt from the USA...it is made up with all walks of life.......

The USA's only real american natives are the native Indains

[stevewinn]

Vote UKIP.

[Stardrive]

er......wasn't Rowen Williams the d**khead that suggested that we incorporate sharia law into the british legal system?

You mean an archbishop actually suggested incorporating sharia law in Great Britain? Is he out of his pea-pickin mind? He probably has a different view now that he's seen what happened in SWAT. Well, we can hope anyway.

[atom286]

Vote UKIP.

Who I will vote for from most likely to impossible -

1. BNP

2. Conservatives

3. UKIP

4. Labour

5. Liberal Democrat

Why -

1. BNP represent everything I agree with.

2. Conservatives represent a lot of what I agree with but I'm not convinced they will honour their word.

3. UKIP are to small and will only stop the EU.

4. Labour are the Liberal Fascists ruining the nation.

5. Liberal Democrats would be even worse than Labour.

Hence I will vote BNP.

[hetrodoxly]

The people in the UK do not all look the same!!!!!!!!!

Britain is no differnt from the USA...it is made up with all walks of life.......

The USA's only real american natives are the native Indains

Going by that logic, the only real British are native British.

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article...ils.php?id=7817

[Admiral Danger]

May I ask you then how you would feel about me, on one side I am welsh

weyhey! another welsh person

its a good thing we're part of britain

this is what they want to do with Northen Ireland

and more on the NIS - National Idiot Society and what they want to do for us people

http://bnp.org.uk/

and i really think that you should see their views on education

we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers

doesnt this worry you about what they will do to the children?

most/all of parliment are made up of people from an upper and middle class backrounds, when i see someone from a lower class backround and has good policies that they know will make the people from the majority of britain happier, that will be the party i would vote for.

Edited May 25, 2009 by Dr Alien

[stevewinn]

Who I will vote for from most likely to impossible -

1. BNP

2. Conservatives

3. UKIP

4. Labour

5. Liberal Democrat

Why -

1. BNP represent everything I agree with.

2. Conservatives represent a lot of what I agree with but I'm not convinced they will honour their word.

3. UKIP are to small and will only stop the EU.

4. Labour are the Liberal Fascists ruining the nation.

5. Liberal Democrats would be even worse than Labour.

Hence I will vote BNP.

fair play to you Atom. exercising your democratic right.

my list

1 UKIP.

2 Conservatives.

3 Local Independent candidate.

4 Monster Raving Loony Party.

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100 Lib Dems.

101 Labour.

Edited May 25, 2009 by stevewinn

[itsnotoutthere]

we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers

''doesnt this worry you about what they will do to the children?''

er.....why should it, (unless you're an unruly troublesome kid of course!)

Edited May 25, 2009 by itsnotoutthere

[Admiral Danger]

we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers

''doesnt this worry you about what they will do to the children?''

er.....why should it, (unless you're an unruly troublesome kid of course!)

well i think that the teachers already have authority. if they want to return the authority i can just see the same authority they used before the 80's

[itsnotoutthere]

well i think that the teachers already have authority. if they want to return the authority i can just see the same authority they used before the 80's

Oh, you mean back in the days when there wasn't half a dozen teenagers being stabbed to death by other teenagers every month.

[Wyvernkeeper]

we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers

''doesnt this worry you about what they will do to the children?''

er.....why should it, (unless you're an unruly troublesome kid of course!)

well i think that the teachers already have authority. if they want to return the authority i can just see the same authority they used before the 80's

do you reckon they will arm the teachers??? that would give them back some authority

[Admiral Danger]

do you reckon they will arm the teachers??? that would give them back some authority

i think needles loaded with liquid ecstasy will give them alot more than some authority

[TheResearcher]

well i think that the teachers already have authority. if they want to return the authority i can just see the same authority they used before the 80's

No, they truly don't have any authority any more.

Anyway I better make an on-topic point; I fail to see why the BNP actually still exists. It should be completely revoked as a political party. Every party deserves equal rights, so discriminating against any party is wrong. The fact is, the BNP should not be a political party and they're a taint upon our country. It's not the policies, it's the people involved. The leaders of the BNP are holocaust deniers and Nazis. They are against everything Britain fought for during the war, and to support them is an insult to the heroes who fought and died to protect us during the world wars. Fortunately most people that support the BNP do not realise this, and so do not agree with the Nazi ideals that the party leaders actually follow. So hopefully if they actually manage to do a little bit of research into the party they will find it to be abhorrent and withdraw their support. It would be a sad day if the BNP ever gained power.

Edited May 25, 2009 by TheResearcher

[itsnotoutthere]

No, they truly don't have any authority any more.

So true.

[Wyvernkeeper]

No, they truly don't have any authority any more.

Anyway I better make an on-topic point; I fail to see why the BNP actually still exists. It should be completely revoked as a political party. Every party deserves equal rights, so discriminating against any party is wrong. The fact is, the BNP should not be a political party and they're a taint upon our country. It's not the policies, it's the people involved. The leaders of the BNP are holocaust deniers and Nazis. They are against everything Britain fought for during the war, and to support them is an insult to the heroes who fought and died to protect us during the world wars. Fortunately most people that support the BNP do not realise this, and so do not agree with the Nazi ideals that the party leaders actually follow. So hopefully if they actually manage to do a little bit of research into the party they will find it to be abhorrent and withdraw their support. It would be a sad day if the BNP ever gained power.

good post..

What you said about the average BNP member not realising the implications of their choice is very true. Its a question of mythology and rather than actually go research the issues at hand, these people are lazy and they therefore let the myths propogated by the BNP into their heads to support their pre-existing beliefs, at which point they tune out any rational arguments.

Rather than letting the world influence their beliefs, they let the beliefs come first and then fit the facts around it. Everything is tainted to support this right-wing, fearful and xenophobic ideology.

Their political logic is essentially a conspiracy theory, well, they get to their conclusions in a similar kind way anyway. Placing disparate facts together to create a newly crafted 'truth,' which anybody who does not agree with them (and therefore is not emotionally invested in the idea) can see through straight away.

Edited May 25, 2009 by Wyvernkeeper

[itsnotoutthere]

well i think that the teachers already have authority. if they want to return the authority i can just see the same authority they used before the 80's

So, what are your experiances the authority teachers used in the 80s ?