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Professor Buzzkill

We all know how to solve a recession- just like in the 30's- a world wide war :rolleyes:

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MARAB0D
You're absolutely correct.

In fact, NK wanting to survive only further proves my earlier point that this entire thread was conjecture and WWIII fantasy.

There is no logical scenario where NK would either attack its neighbors, nor draw in international strikes, as either one would include the loss of any and all aid under every circumstance. Not to mention military strikes against a nation 100% indebted to foreign trade to feed and clothe its army at the basest level.

Pretty sure NK isn't interested in that.

The problem is that world wars have no logic, obvious to the wide public, as we all are. Something is brewing somewhere, but we do not have any idea what exactly and how important this brewing is.

Serbs did not have a clue, that shooting a simple ArchDuke would cause a worldwide chaos for the next 6 years and bring Communists to power in several countries. All they wanted is to make crap to the Austrians.

Poles did not have a clue that if they attack a German radio, they would cause Hiroshima bombing, Buchenwald, 50 million dead and other beauties - all they wanted was to stop the Germans to broadcast to their border areas, and as a far dream to force England and France to defeat Germany.

Pretty similar to this North Korea may dream to drop the US sanctions and the alien warships harassing its cargoes. Of course this is not THAT simple, but hardly do they dream about starting a WW3!

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Cadetak
The problem is that world wars have no logic, obvious to the wide public, as we all are. Something is brewing somewhere, but we do not have any idea what exactly and how important this brewing is.

Serbs did not have a clue, that shooting a simple ArchDuke would cause a worldwide chaos for the next 6 years and bring Communists to power in several countries. All they wanted is to make crap to the Austrians.

Poles did not have a clue that if they attack a German radio, they would cause Hiroshima bombing, Buchenwald, 50 million dead and other beauties - all they wanted was to stop the Germans to broadcast to their border areas, and as a far dream to force England and France to defeat Germany.

Pretty similar to this North Korea may dream to drop the US sanctions and the alien warships harassing its cargoes. Of course this is not THAT simple, but hardly do they dream about starting a WW3!

My understanding of this subject is limited...but when push comes to shove will America, Russia, and/or China be willing to actually go to war with each other? As in full scale WW3?

Just doesn't seem worth it for either of the three.

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jesspy
We all know how to solve a recession- just like in the 30's- a world wide war :rolleyes:

lol

okay so is there more chance of this turning into a war then getting infected with swine flu

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preacherman76

I was thinkin about this situation this morning, and after some consideration, I think its possible that this could lead to a very dangerous situation.From what I understand Kim is in very poor health. Its obvious he isnt afraid to go to war if you'd just listen to him. Now that he is nearing the end of his life, he might just go all out.

The first ship that the US and SK try to inspect coming from NK I think Kim will respond with a heavey millitary responce. And Im not sure 0bama will do anything about it.

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Corp

You know I couldn't be half surprised if China invaded North Korea to stop Kim from going nuts.

As for the past World Wars it should be noted that in those cases people wanted war. At the start of the First World War all sides welcomed the conflicted, believing it would break the stalemate that had settled in Europe. At the start of the Second World War while most countries wanted to avoid fighting Germany was all for it and forced the others to respond. Now in this case I don't believe we have anyone but North Korea who wants war, and they're a bit iffy. The US needs another war like they need a hole in the head. China has suffered a number of internal problems (earthquakes and such) and seem to be happy making economic deals with the West. Russia is looking to regain their standing as a world power but I don't think they're willing to get into a large war to do so. Japan is by law a peaceful country so they don't want a fight. Finally South Korea doesn't want war because Seoul might get wiped off the map and in the end they'd need to deal with the North.

Could the current crisis lead to war? Maybe. Would that war drag in China, Russia, and NATO? Highly unlikely.

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The Silver Thong
I was thinkin about this situation this morning, and after some consideration, I think its possible that this could lead to a very dangerous situation.From what I understand Kim is in very poor health. Its obvious he isnt afraid to go to war if you'd just listen to him. Now that he is nearing the end of his life, he might just go all out.

The first ship that the US and SK try to inspect coming from NK I think Kim will respond with a heavey millitary responce. And Im not sure 0bama will do anything about it.

I personaly think that if NK even fires a shot at any ship comming in to do an inspection Obama will react with cruise missles and possible an airstrike or 2. Nothing to heavy but enough to make NK flinch but not enough to get China involved. Russia will most likely not want much if anything to do with this imo.

As was said Kim is at deaths and that raises the stakes 10 fold, he will try something thats almost a guarantee but to what degree don't know but it will be interesting and not in a good way.

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MARAB0D

I can see that N Korean army seems to be of the similar size as Russia's one...

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Maintenance alone must cost a fortune, given the aged equipment and even on condition that the soldiers eat grassroots and berries. Actually it probably adds to motivation, as they must dream about looting Seoul delicatessen shops. If I was US I would stay away from their ships.

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Lord Umbarger
From what I understand Kim is in very poor health. Its obvious he isnt afraid to go to war if you'd just listen to him. Now that he is nearing the end of his life, he might just go all out.
He may well figure that if he's going to die anyway, he hasn't got much to lose by playing hardball.

The first ship that the US and SK try to inspect coming from NK I think Kim will respond with a heavey millitary responce. And Im not sure 0bama will do anything about it.
I read earlier today that he was still talking smack and the ROK military is at max alert. Oddly enough, yeah, I sort of doubt that Obama would do anything about it anyway. I mean, he is a dedicated Socialist so, for him, it may sort of be like shooting a relative.

I don't know about China though. That is the real wild card as far as I can see it. I mean, they are neighbors, allies, fellow Socialists and even fought side by side a few times over the last 100 or so years. On the other hand, over the last decade or so, their economy has been improving due to all the cheap plastic junk they sell to Americans and with the the world wide economy going to hell in a handbasket, I don't know that they'd be willing to cheese off their biggest customer.

Like it or not, there is no other country on Earth that can or will buy as much stuff from them as the US and if they go to war with us, well, we might just stop buying those Happy meal toys and other little no-name-brand-items. That may even be why they haven't landed troops in Hong Kong already too.

Personally, I think that North Korea is counting on being able to hold teh South Korean forces off with it's land based military long enough fro them to pop off a few rockets at Japan. I don't think that they are planning on fighting a war to win it, just to make it as painful for us as possible. I think that they figure the threat of a war is more leverage than an actual fight anyway. Of course, i could be wrong here. That nut job might actually think that he can win too.

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President-Elect Acidhead
He may well figure that if he's going to die anyway, he hasn't got much to lose by playing hardball.

I read earlier today that he was still talking smack and the ROK military is at max alert. Oddly enough, yeah, I sort of doubt that Obama would do anything about it anyway. I mean, he is a dedicated Socialist so, for him, it may sort of be like shooting a relative.

I don't know about China though. That is the real wild card as far as I can see it. I mean, they are neighbors, allies, fellow Socialists and even fought side by side a few times over the last 100 or so years. On the other hand, over the last decade or so, their economy has been improving due to all the cheap plastic junk they sell to Americans and with the the world wide economy going to hell in a handbasket, I don't know that they'd be willing to cheese off their biggest customer.

Like it or not, there is no other country on Earth that can or will buy as much stuff from them as the US and if they go to war with us, well, we might just stop buying those Happy meal toys and other little no-name-brand-items. That may even be why they haven't landed troops in Hong Kong already too.

Personally, I think that North Korea is counting on being able to hold teh South Korean forces off with it's land based military long enough fro them to pop off a few rockets at Japan. I don't think that they are planning on fighting a war to win it, just to make it as painful for us as possible. I think that they figure the threat of a war is more leverage than an actual fight anyway. Of course, i could be wrong here. That nut job might actually think that he can win too.

LOL... I think anybody that believes that NK or Iran would 'sign' their own death warrant, for their whole entire country, is living in a fantasy land...

Just my personal opinion.

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Lord Umbarger
LOL... I think anybody that believes that NK or Iran would 'sign' their own death warrant, for their whole entire country, is living in a fantasy land...

History shows that it has happened before though. Hitler, Napoleon, Hirahito..... it has happened and I really don't see why it flat out couldn't happen again. Not that it is all that likely that North Korea would but, I wouldn't put it past any extremist government. Especially not the ones that are led by more of a cult of personality than a successive type government.

Just my personal opinion.
Yeah, just mine too. No biggie! :) Edited by Lord Umbarger

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AROCES

I think the United States can now unleash it military might on N Korea for there will be little criticism of the Military since Obama is the commander in Chief.

The cry for abuse, warmonger, war crime will be minimal and ignored by the media.

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Lord Umbarger
I think the United States can now unleash it military might on N Korea for there will be little criticism of the Military since Obama is the commander in Chief.

The cry for abuse, warmonger, war crime will be minimal and ignored by the media.

So far, most everything he's done or tried to do is stuff that the Left and the MSM spent eight long years bashing Bush for doing so, that is a possibility.

BTW, how come you don't show the proper respect to Obama? I mean, he is the Messiah and all! LOL! Cheers!

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The Silver Thong
I think the United States can now unleash it military might on N Korea for there will be little criticism of the Military since Obama is the commander in Chief.

The cry for abuse, warmonger, war crime will be minimal and ignored by the media.

Simple fact is that if Bush had concintrated on Afganistan he would have had way more support and the Bush bashing would have never happened. It was when Bush pulled a fast one and decided to extend "his" war into Iraq that people saw him as a total dick and a cowboy who goes in guns blazzing with no real plan but to shoot the place up.

If NK does do anything to warrent an attack by America than Obama won't have the bashing that Bush did however if Obama just decides to go ahead and invade NK with out provocation you better believe he will get bashed for it. Iraq did nothing to America to warrent an invasion and until NK does it's only wise not to jump the gun.

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President-Elect Acidhead

What a twisted stories.

NK hasn't done anything to provoke anybody. All they've "threatened" to do is defend themselves. The real threats are coming from the U.S. and their allies.

"There are 28,500 U.S. troops in South Korea and another 50,000 in Japan. All are within striking range of North Korea's missiles." Does the MSM report that *all* Korean people are in range of the U.S.'s over 5000 nuclear missiles?!? North Korea is believed to have, what, 1 nuclear device? ... we are told sometimes 5-6?

North Korea has never attacked a third world country and never tried to run foreign sweat shops. North Korea doesn't have a string of torture camps around the world, nor bomb other countries repeatedly with deplete uranium weapons. North Korea is a much more peaceful country than the U.S. or its so-called paid off allies.--(see coalition of the so-called willing)

Its one after another false flag operation to start another war for the war profiteers. Has been this way for over 100 years what makes you guys think its gonna stop.

Still got Chavez to take out also...and iran... Bolivia

It's almost like someone somewhere wants this to happen. And it doesn't appear to be NK.

Just my personal opinion that we are being played off to accept what ever decision is taken and most will react in favor of the consequences, like it 'had' to be done.

Do yourselves a favor and turn off your televisions.. get mad.. and scream out loud, "Im not taking this anymore".

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stevewinn

If North Korea kicks off, after their defeat no reconstruction should be done. In- job done- and- out none of this Iraqi-Afghan style 6+ years reconstruction.

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MARAB0D
If North Korea kicks off, after their defeat no reconstruction should be done. In- job done- and- out none of this Iraqi-Afghan style 6+ years reconstruction.

This defeats the purpose, as it is reconstruction, which any war targets in first place. Otherwise how the money can be made?

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President-Elect Acidhead

Its one after another false flag operation to start another war for the war profiteers. Has been this way for over 100 years what makes you guys think its gonna stop?

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stevewinn
This defeats the purpose, as it is reconstruction, which any war targets in first place. Otherwise how the money can be made?

well this time around it should be different. like i say if Nr Korea Kicks off whoever goes in goes in guns blazing total war. no worries about collateral damage etc...just carnage everywhere; good night Irene.

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MARAB0D
Its one after another false flag operation to start another war for the war profiteers. Has been this way for over 100 years what makes you guys think its gonna stop?

It may well be that it is not the US currently looking for more wars to improve the economy, but its adversaries offer it yet another war to put this economy further down. The truth is unclear to date.

This all started when Clinton attacked Serbia. That was the end of global peace, as the other countries saw the new growing threat. Russia's opinion was ignored and it was publicly ridiculed for the behavior of superpower being the same time just a basket case. Chinese opinion was not only ignored, but its embassy bombed in Belgrade. Few years later in Iraq Russian convoy of evacuating diplomats was bombed and shot at too... No one talks about these cases now, but these were the statements of power from US, and such statements are never forgotten. Shortly after Iraq, USA introduced a new military doctrine, in which US military force was announced capable to handle simultaneously TWO military conflicts in different geographical zones. Now it has two - Iraq and Afghanistan. The policy of their adversaries may well be in offering to US another one or even two such conflicts in OTHER regions of the world.

Therefore, NK rough performance can be a pre-meditated action. It mysteriously coincides with the plans of Israel to attack Iran, and Obama's approval to it on condition Israel moves toward creation of Palestinian state (Obama made a choice and wants to stop yet another brewing confrontation). Iran is threatened - North Korea starts to threaten to South Korea, means it would be not one new war, but two at once. Important is also that China often reiterates the issue of Taiwan, while Russia hints on the need to repeat incursion into Georgia and unambiguously threatens to partition Ukraine. Means, US is informed that it can be a package of 5 simultaneous conflicts from Europe to Caucasus to Far East. As for NK, it can be just covering Iran's back, hoping that the next time Iran would cover its own back, so there may be logic in their policies too. But for its patrons the idea may be in creating so many local conflicts, that US would be unable to stretch that thinly to control them all. Unfortunately the local conflicts, once started, often can not be further controlled at all, and may by themselves trigger other local conflicts, which may finally pull into the action those countries which were using such conflicts for their policies, and this is what makes the wars to become world wars.

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President-Elect Acidhead
This defeats the purpose, as it is reconstruction, which any war targets in first place. Otherwise how the money can be made?

Through IMF loans and guarantees... who cripple and control invaded countries assets and resources.

The IMF is the 'international mafia' loan shark...who operate under the anglo-american bankster cartel how hard is it to see this?

Many here assume 'we' are fighting for the 'good' of man kind... when are you guys going to stop with the 'war' strategy talk and wake up to the facts that we are being duped

into accepting whatever BS the MSM tells you to believe?

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D1CKY D1AMOND
Through IMF loans and guarantees... who cripple and control invaded countries assets and resources.

The IMF is the 'international mafia' loan shark...who operate under the anglo-american bankster cartel how hard is it to see this?

Many here assume 'we' are fighting for the 'good' of man kind... when are you guys going to stop with the 'war' strategy talk and wake up to the facts that we are being duped

into accepting whatever BS the MSM tells you to believe?

People need to e controlled and a good way to help is to lie to them... it works and while some are smart enough to call bull in the end it never really mattered anyway.

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MARAB0D
People need to e controlled and a good way to help is to lie to them... it works and while some are smart enough to call bull in the end it never really mattered anyway.

It may well be that many would not be able to correctly assess the truth if it is given to them by the leaders; so in order to maintain the integrity of society the politicians have to lie... And of course they are humans, so they add to this a bit more of the lie and personally benefit from this. I guess this is natural.

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KRS-One
Personally, I think that North Korea is counting on being able to hold teh South Korean forces off with it's land based military long enough fro them to pop off a few rockets at Japan. I don't think that they are planning on fighting a war to win it, just to make it as painful for us as possible. I think that they figure the threat of a war is more leverage than an actual fight anyway. Of course, i could be wrong here. That nut job might actually think that he can win too.

You're talking like this war is already a done deal.

Everyone clamoring over how close NK is to just flipping out, or that because Kim is (probably) not long for the world are forgetting one thing. The man still has political and military cabinets and advisors who expect to inherit the reigns when he finally departs for never-never land. You're forgetting that these guys know they will be around after the man himself, and still want a peice of that pie. It's going to take a lot to convince these men to relinquish this goal because their crazy near-death dictator told them to do so.

Also the DPRK is a communist dictatorship, not a socialist republic. Here is a nice quote to help you understand the difference, and to stop spouting your silly, incorrect opinions that detract from your arguments.

"Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.

Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works."

Edited by KRS-One

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Corp
You're talking like this war is already a done deal.

Everyone clamoring over how close NK is to just flipping out, or that because Kim is (probably) not long for the world are forgetting one thing. The man still has political and military cabinets and advisors who expect to inherit the reigns when he finally departs for never-never land. You're forgetting that these guys know they will be around after the man himself, and still want a peice of that pie. It's going to take a lot to convince these men to relinquish this goal because their crazy near-death dictator told them to do so.

How dare you use logic to destroy people's dream of a world wide nuclear war! :angry:

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