BlueZone Posted June 13, 2009 #26 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I don't think there's anything the international community can do about this type of cheating except for overthrowing their government, an unacceptably bad option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS-One Posted June 13, 2009 #27 Share Posted June 13, 2009 In Iran's case it was the exact opposite... and the MSM is eating it up as rigged and many non-voting westerners are hooked, lined and sinkered. The Iranians themselves believe it was rigged. Look at the blogs I posted for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS-One Posted June 13, 2009 #28 Share Posted June 13, 2009 A "few" Iranians who disagree with the results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted June 13, 2009 #29 Share Posted June 13, 2009 well for 1, the state owns all of the media and they gave the wee iranian a LOT more airtime than the other candidates - who then boycotted the last televised debate in disgust. all the papers and TV were outspoken in favour of the wee man. there were ballots missing from areas in which his opponent was certain to gain a lot of votes, at least that's what his opponent claims. and a few other things i've read about also including Ahmadinejad being allowed to speak in public at universities etc while othe other candidates were denied such privelages. in honesty though, even if it was rigged, i'm still not sure the other guy would have won. the wee iranian has a massive following in the young population... massive following. but it does reek of being fixed. just curious.... im trying to make sense of this... If ballots were missing.. did the voters choose to vote for the Ahmadinejad instead? 85% of the voter population did vote. If ballots were missing and those claiming Moussavi should have won wouldn't we see a lower overall turnout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 13, 2009 #30 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Are you talking about the 'other candidates' and that guy named.. Ron Paul during the republican primaries last year? just curious.... im trying to make sense of this... If ballots were missing.. did the voters choose to vote for the Ahmadinejad instead? 85% of the voter population did vote. If ballots were missing and those claiming Moussavi should have won wouldn't we see a lower overall turnout? So you're saying only US votes can be rigged...not Irans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted June 13, 2009 #31 Share Posted June 13, 2009 It's amazing how easily we're all manipulated. Remember the election in Lebanon just a bit ago? No mention whatsoever about possible election fraud in any western outlet. Wonder why? Our guys 'won'. Now the Iranians cast their votes and everyone's throwing a flag on the play because their guy didn't do so hot. The Lebanon elections had expected results with the opposition still getting a lot of votes. In Iran it was expected to be a close election yet Ahmadinejad won by a landslide. If he had won no one would have said much but that fact he crushed everyone has people calling vote rigging. Naturally that fact that Ahmadinejad went out of his way to stop the opposition from getting their message out it's really not surprising that he would stuff ballots. But the religious leaders wanted him to win so he won. Outside a popular revoltuion we'll need to keep dealing with the nut job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted June 13, 2009 #32 Share Posted June 13, 2009 just curious.... im trying to make sense of this... If ballots were missing.. did the voters choose to vote for the Ahmadinejad instead? 85% of the voter population did vote. If ballots were missing and those claiming Moussavi should have won wouldn't we see a lower overall turnout? all it could mean is that more would have turned out. the televised debates between the 2 had the entire nation captivated, i wouldn't be surprised if more had turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsnmbr1 Posted June 13, 2009 #33 Share Posted June 13, 2009 The Lebanon elections had expected results with the opposition still getting a lot of votes. In Iran it was expected to be a close election yet Ahmadinejad won by a landslide. If he had won no one would have said much but that fact he crushed everyone has people calling vote rigging. Naturally that fact that Ahmadinejad went out of his way to stop the opposition from getting their message out it's really not surprising that he would stuff ballots. But the religious leaders wanted him to win so he won. Outside a popular revoltuion we'll need to keep dealing with the nut job. The nut job... Christ. You people are hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS-One Posted June 13, 2009 #34 Share Posted June 13, 2009 The nut job... Christ. You people are hopeless. He made a valid point regarding the topic you were discussing and you chose to refute the fact that he called the guy nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted June 13, 2009 #35 Share Posted June 13, 2009 The nut job... Christ. You people are hopeless. Ahmadinejad isn't the most stable of people and seems to only want attention. I mean he stands before the UN and declares that Bush is the devil. Calls on Obama to debate with him. Not to mention his whole deal with Israel. Seems he just wants to cause trouble. Not someone who should be leading a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsnmbr1 Posted June 13, 2009 #36 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Ahmadinejad isn't the most stable of people and seems to only want attention. I mean he stands before the UN and declares that Bush is the devil. Calls on Obama to debate with him. Not to mention his whole deal with Israel. Seems he just wants to cause trouble. Not someone who should be leading a country. Have you ever read one of his speeches in its entirety? Listened to him in a forum where his words aren't being filtered through American media? Obviously not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS-One Posted June 13, 2009 #37 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Have you ever read one of his speeches in its entirety? Listened to him in a forum where his words aren't being filtered through American media? Obviously not. What are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted June 14, 2009 #38 Share Posted June 14, 2009 What are you trying to say? I believe he's saying that we're not hearing what he's really saying. Just what translations and translators are telling us. Meaning unless Ahmididdyjohn comes up to us and *directly* tells us what he's thinking in english.. we probaly don't know what he really means. As in he could be saying "I like fluffy kittens" in his native language, and the translators are telling us "Death to Isreal, Death to America!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS-One Posted June 14, 2009 #39 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I believe he's saying that we're not hearing what he's really saying. Just what translations and translators are telling us. Meaning unless Ahmididdyjohn comes up to us and *directly* tells us what he's thinking in english.. we probaly don't know what he really means. As in he could be saying "I like fluffy kittens" in his native language, and the translators are telling us "Death to Isreal, Death to America!" Ok. I'd like to distance myself from this response and repeat my question without bias. What are you, Godsnmbr1, trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted June 14, 2009 #40 Share Posted June 14, 2009 awww.. my answer not to your likeing!? I worked so hard on it! *snaps her fingers* seakittens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted June 14, 2009 #41 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Have you ever read one of his speeches in its entirety? Listened to him in a forum where his words aren't being filtered through American media? Obviously not. LOL Yeah, he's really saying " I luv Amerricca"!. Look, I don't think he's the worst leader on the planet but I do think Iran have lost the bus by re-electing Ahmadinejad. This is assuming he was re-elected honestly. They've gone for the Conservative choice. This means that the majority of 85% prefer him to a reformist that would have gotten rid of discrimination against women including patrols of so-called "morality police" regularly enforcing standards of Islamic dress on Iran's streets. If he won by a landslide that means most women prefer and accept to be dominated by their men. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS-One Posted June 14, 2009 #42 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) They've gone for the Conservative choice. This means that the majority of 85% prefer him to a reformist that would have gotten rid of discrimination against women including patrols of so-called "morality police" regularly enforcing standards of Islamic dress on Iran's streets. If he won by a landslide that means most women prefer and accept to be dominated by their men. End of story. You'd think that right-wing american conservatives would be cheering the choice, actually. Given that a more liberal party lost the election. A religious fundamentalist spouting conservative talking points including isolationism, an active stance on foreign influence and a more centralized government remains in power. This should be viewed as a victory, should it not? *watches as millions of gears clink and clank before a resounding "...but AMERICA" is shouted* Edited June 14, 2009 by KRS-One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exeller Posted June 14, 2009 #43 Share Posted June 14, 2009 How about this: BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES SUCK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted June 14, 2009 #44 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I believe he's saying that we're not hearing what he's really saying. Just what translations and translators are telling us. Meaning unless Ahmididdyjohn comes up to us and *directly* tells us what he's thinking in english.. we probaly don't know what he really means. As in he could be saying "I like fluffy kittens" in his native language, and the translators are telling us "Death to Isreal, Death to America!" Wouldn't someone in his own government have pointed out this issue to him and corrects been made if that was the case? And no I've never read an original version of his speeches, since I don't understand the language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsnmbr1 Posted June 14, 2009 #45 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Wouldn't someone in his own government have pointed out this issue to him and corrects been made if that was the case? And no I've never read an original version of his speeches, since I don't understand the language. Ok people... Believe it or not, there are quite a few people in this world that speak both Farsi and English. It's basically a given that his translations are going to be fairly accurate (except of course for the 2 or 3 sentences that make it onto the sunday morning talk shows). Try reading a speech of his in its entirety, you might learn something. It's human nature to fill in the blanks so I can't really blame people for forming an opinion based on bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARAB0D Posted June 14, 2009 #46 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Ahmad theoretically can lead because of his nuclear stance, which boosts Iranian self-respect. Opposition was using Woman's rights issue as a lever and was hinting on possible relaxing of Islamic laws, this may have an ambiguous results, as there is still plenty of conservative vote, specially outside of big cities. The position on Israel is the same for both candidates, this means the opposition does not object to the nuclear program too, but for the voters it is first of all associated with Ahmad who started it. Ahmad was certainly prepared to cheat, specially on mobile phone vote, but to fish like that 62% is simply impossible. In other words we may never find out the truth and can only guess, but I would say 50:50 chance is for each option. Of course to fake such a large number of votes is not easy, as the opposition has a significant number of followers in all structures, but on the other hand most of them are in big cities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHuman Posted June 14, 2009 #47 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Rumors taht ballots were burned making recount useless. No way did Mackmood get such a high margin when the majority of youth were behind his opponent . Isn;t like 70% of the pop under 30? Edited June 14, 2009 by InHuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted June 14, 2009 #48 Share Posted June 14, 2009 voting in Iran is all an illusion anyway. when they have the puppeteer ayatollah whats-his-face pulling the strings,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heinrich1858 Posted June 14, 2009 #49 Share Posted June 14, 2009 85 percent of the country's 46 million eligible voters went to the polls and voted.. Ahmadinejad won Friday's presidential election with 62.63 percent of the vote and Mir Hossein Moussavi received 33.75 percent of the vote... ******* That said.. MSM is telling us Westerners that Ahmadinejad cheated to win...... ...if he did....somehow?..someway??... he did it in style... that's a lot of votes to win an election with :yes: Can anyone say "Mugabe" - "Zimbabwe". There the elections are just as rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitro1987 Posted June 14, 2009 #50 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I´m pretty sure this was rigged and I´m p***ed off. There´s no way he would have gotten that high percentage, despite the opposition being treated like Ron Paul by the media. He had an Obama-like movement and it was predicted to be either close or him winning. Him losing by such a landslide is too fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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