Jews blamed for all world terrorism

[bathory]

Thats just a top notch Idea.

You know who came up with that one last century.

A young man by the name Adolf Hitler.

and how exactly is it similar to Hitler? you seem to like comparing allot of things to nazi germany

[Stamford]

and how exactly is it similar to Hitler?

Well, it does smack of the 'New World Order', doesn't it?

[bathory]

ahem, when we think of Hitler we think of genocide, the question is, why is a 'new world order' a bad thing?

[jenk]

Thats why I said it's really radical of me to say it, and also why I knew a evil dictator would be compared to me. Just becuase it's a new and different way does not make it evil .

[Stamford]

ahem, when we think of Hitler we think of genocide, the question is, why is a 'new world order' a bad thing?

Why is a New World Order a bad thing?

[wunarmdscissor]

and how exactly is it similar to Hitler? you seem to like comparing allot of things to nazi germany

No just when people start talking about taking over countries by force against the population of that country's will. By that then indicating thgat they believe themselves to be more capable than the inhabitants of these countrys.

That was one of the objectives of Nazi germany and one of the traits was the view that the german population was above th rest of humanity.

Unlike you bathory i aim to learn form our past mistakes instead of forgetting about them.

Do you think hitler started of sayin lets exterminate all the jews and take over the world?

No he started of with comments like the one above which gradually grew into the phsycotic and rants that he later spouted.

[Transhumanism]

ahem, when we think of Hitler we think of genocide, the question is, why is a 'new world order' a bad thing?

New World Orders is what humans do. It has been going on since the beginning of civilization and will continue to go on for ever so long as the nature of man remains the same. Here are some New World Orders:

Roman Empire

Mongolian Empire

Turkish Empire

Mohammad Empire

Napoleon Empire

Japanese Empire

Christian Crusades Empire

Hitler Empire

Spanish Empire

England Empire which created the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

Ancient Greek Empire.

Etc.

It is human nature to create New World Orders. Why would humans stop now?

Edited May 12, 2004 by Transhumanism

[bathory]

Unlike you bathory i aim to learn form our past mistakes instead of forgetting about them.

Do you think hitler started of sayin lets exterminate all the jews and take over the world?

No he started of with comments like the one above which gradually grew into the phsycotic and rants that he later spouted.

with the right controls and safegaurds there shouldn't be a problem

[Transhumanism]

we all know it the Jews that control evil America 

I have not seen any evidence of Jews controlling America. In fact, most of the top positions in the United States seem to be held by White males, not Jews.

Too many people are accepting the false claim of Jewish power in America. A few months ago, Bill O'Reilly on his Fox News show "The O'Reilly Factor" made the claim that Jews control all of the American media. This of course is false: most of the media is owned by White males, not Jews.

But, I don't think American Jews need to worry about anti-Jewishness. America is very diverse and there will never be a White racial majority that will bring forth another Hitler type of government. All the anti-Jews in America today could barely create a town of their own since their numbers are so low. I'd say there is about 30,000 at most anti-Jews in America, which I speculate from the popular White racial hang-outs on the internet, such as...

REMOVED. You don't need to make your point by linking to racially offensive websites.

While going over these forums, I realized how unintelligent the contents were and how most of the information is false. The invalidity of the info. is so strikingly obvious that most humans would never accept them. So in other words, anti-Jewishness will never become mainstream because there are no supporting reasons for it to occur in the first place.

Edited May 12, 2004 by Transhumanism

[bathory]

my comment was sarcastic hence the rolly eyes

[Transhumanism]

REMOVED. You don't need to make your point by linking to racially offensive websites.

So, it appears that this forum does not support intellectual freedom and the free flow of information. If you are going to censor this type of info., what else have you been censoring as well? In fact, why should I now even trust this forum as a valid source if the owner only allows info. that he personally agrees with and not info. that may shatter his personal world views?

I have now come to realize why it is actually good for many forums to exist: if one forum engages in censorship policies, then there are other forums still left. So, I see consolidation of all the forums as a bad idea.

We learn something new everyday, as I just have.

Have a nice day!

[Aslan]

Your opinions on 'intellectual freedom and the free flow of information' are, tragically enough, utterly redundant.

This is a website for people of all ages, creeds and religions. We do not link to race-hate websites. It's a brutally simple as that.

The point in your post could equally have been made without the five or six distasteful links that you saw fit to provide. I have hardly ripped the guts out of your post; your point is still made.

If you want to know what else I've been 'censoring', I'll tell you. Exactly that kind of imbecilic, bigotted hogwash. If you want to hang out on white-supremacist websites, go ahead. It's a free web. But do not post links to them here.

And you have a very nice day too.

[Transhumanism]

Excuses to support your censorship policies.

I believe all people have the right to see what ideas are out there. I posted those links so that we can understand what people believe and show how they are wrong. But it appears that you don't have the emotional strength to handle intellectual freedom. Actually, most humans don't, only a pure objectivist, such as myself, can handle any topic in a rational manner.

I will of course follow your rules since I don't want to be banned.

Best wishes!

[stillcrazy]

Excuses to support your censorship policies.

I don't feel that the moderators are making excuses in regards to removing the links. They will also not allow links to pornography or sites that are demeaning to anyones race, religion, or cultural backgrounds. As for your comment

Actually, most humans don't, only a pure objectivist, such as myself, can handle any topic in a rational manner.

Your correct to an extent, most people cannot view certain subjects without allowing personal emotion to intervene into the discussion. However, the moderators and the 'owners' of this site must make a determination of what is of benifit to the site and what is not. There are a good number of members that are still young enough that they may take the rantings of a certain site as fact and not know how off the wall some of these sites are.

Then there is the legal responsibility, that part seems to escape you when you claim censorship. If a minor views a site that enspouses racial bias, or any other type of hatred, then decides to act upon the ranting of a particular site, the Administrators and Moderators may be held legally accountable.

Has for intellectual freedom, just like any other freedom, comes with a certain amount of responsibility. Subjecting young minds to, who I am sure you will agree, are not as developed as yours, might think that because a person of your high intelligence feels a site is worth a link here on UM, than it couldn't be that bad because the intelligent human linked to it.

To stay on topic, many sites are very anti-jewish, anti-zionist anti-???? because it is always easier to blame a race or class of people for your own woes.

Edited May 12, 2004 by stillcrazy

[Transhumanism]

I understand if there were legal concerns. Europe has strict anti-Free Speech policies. But here in America such topics are allowed on the internet.

person of your high intelligence

I'm not smart. I just have a pretty good control of my emotions.

[stillcrazy]

I do understand that emotional control is, in most people, a very difficult thing to control. If you look at all the post by people here, you will see a wide range of emotions. I have been guilty of getting a little bent when certain events happen. But then I'm only human.

But again, it's not so much as a issue of required censorship, but a moral responsibility on the part of those who run the forum. They choose to not allow the links. And there are many forums here in America that will not allow those same types of links. So it is not just the E.U. countries, but more of a trend to get away from questionable sites.

Peace and enjoy.

[Transhumanism]

But again, it's not so much as a issue of required censorship, but a moral responsibility on the part of those who run the forum.

Moral based censorship. Well, first, I would argue that morality is purely subjective: what one considers moral, another considers immoral.

Second, censoring because a certain topic is considered by someone to be "immoral" is still academic censorship. Remember what happened to Socrates and Galileo because of their beliefs? Remember the Spanish Inquisition? Well, during these times, Socrates, Galileo, and the victims of the Inquisitions were thought to be "immoral" by the majority. They were simply speaking their minds or practicing their own religions without interfering with others to do the same.

Well, I am no Socrates or Galileo, but it's the same situation, but with a lesser person, that being me.

Again, if it's a legal concern, then I of course understand. If this forum was based in Europe, I can see all the legal problems.

Edited May 12, 2004 by Transhumanism

[Fluffybunny]

Actually, most humans don't, only a pure objectivist, such as myself, can handle any topic in a rational manner.

Can Aliens Give Me Super-Powers?, I am Seeking Super-Powers

Rational manner. Okey-Dokee.

As this isn't your site, you don't get to decide what is or isn't linked to. The mods make judgement calls in order to keep things from devolving into endless, pointless arguments.

I don't think that removing the links you had posted falls into the same category as the Inquisition, Socrates, or Gallileo. Let me know if Aslan tracks you down and tortures you endlessly in an attempt to force you to convert to Aslanism. I might be a bit more supportive of your argument should that happen...

[Seraphina]

While I think the topic is drifting, and I'm sure we'd all like to see it get back on topic...I think it's pretty obvious Aslan made a good call in removing the sites. While I'm sure nobody will object to a discussion on the subject of white supremists, actualyl exposing members, especially young and impressionable members, to their propoganda isn't something the owners of this site can allow to happen on their watch.

In any event, the forum isn't a democracy, it's a discussion board in which the moderators and admins are making the decisions that will keep order; if that means removing a few links that might have led to trouble, then good on them. You're free to not like it, but endlessly objecting to it makes you sound childish...just like every other member here, you're a guest on the board, and you should show respect for what your host doesn't want to see happening on their property.

And just one last thing...

Europe has strict anti-Free Speech policies.

um...no we don't I'd...address the point further, but there isn't that much else to say about it

[DC09]

A few months ago, Bill O'Reilly on his Fox News show "The O'Reilly Factor" made the claim that Jews control all of the American media.

Thats news to me...

[Transhumanism]

O'Reilly was interviewing a Jewish representative of Hollywood regarding Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion." Bill then said that because Jews control all of the American media, they were collaborating to attack the movie which depicts Jews killing Christ.

[Transhumanism]

Actually exposing members, especially young and impressionable members, to their propoganda

So this forum is a children's forum? And I thought it was a forum for adult conversations. Are we going to now discuss Barney, Seseme Street, and the Power Rangers?

I don't consider the "oh, children may be on this forum" a valid argument to engage in academic censorship. Children are the responsibility of their parents. If children come to this forum, or any forum on the internet for that matter, I believe that is the problem of the parents, not the forum owners. By your argument, we should then just censor the whole internet "because of the children." In fact, let's ban Mtv, HBO, R-rated movies, and everything else adults do "because of the children." Let's infact outright ban adult behaviors and all become adolescents again "for the children." I mean, any child can potentially witness an act of adult behavior.

Of course, by your own reasoning, you should be censored as well because "the children" may come to this forum and watch all the intollerance and hatred you promote towards Muslims. I mean, we can't have "the children" see that.

On a second note, EVERYTHING is propaganda, whether racial, muti-cultural, communist, capitalist, etc. Propaganda is by definition the spreading of any ideas for any cause. You are I on this forum are propagandists.

In any event, the forum isn't a democracy

Argument Straw Man. I never said it was a democracy. I just stated my dissatisfaction with the censorship policy.

but endlessly objecting to it makes you sound childish

This was my first time complaining about it. Second, so by your own reasonings, endless complaining about Muslims make you childish as well. Third, define "childish" to me. In other words, provide psychometric data on how to define and measure "childishness." Once we establish an objective definition of "childishness" we can then go from there and see how this "trait" either facilitates or hinders the inclusive fitness of a nation.

Fifth, you believe that persistance is "childishness." So, that would mean all scientists on this planet is "childish" because they are persistant in experimentation when looking for solutions. And all political parties are "childish" because they consistantly complain about the politics of opponent political groups. Etc.

I think you need to think your thoughts through before posting. See if your comments are biased, if they are objective and rational and follow the rules of logic.

P.S. Europe does have strict anti-free speech laws. This is why so many people go to jail for saying politically incorrect things, esp. in France and Germany. Even in England too, such as David Irving: he was legally prosecuted for being politically incorrect.

Edited May 13, 2004 by Transhumanism

[Mentalcase]

You are walking on very fragile eggshells my friend.

You made your point. Aslan surely made his point, and so did everyone else who commented on it, including me. Just leave the "censorship" issue alone. There is no conspiracy.

IMO, your opinion wouldn't make or break us. Sorry if that sounds biased.

Have a very wonderful, exciting, beautiful, perfect day.

Oh yeah, stay on topic.

[jenk]

Ya can you please stay on topic? I kinda wish I never posted on this topic becuase it seemed to have started this! If you want to discuss some thing else start a thread on it! Don't Highjack others!

P.S. Im still waiting to hear other peoples way of helping the third world.

Edited May 13, 2004 by jenk

[Fluffybunny]

Transhumanism, here is a link for you:

Linky-Dinky

The link will take you to a place that will allow you to solve your censorship concerns. It would allow you to create a forum to discuss your super powers.

Doesn't that make everyone happy?