Jeweller warned over 'racially offensive'

[chemical-licker]

Jeweller warned over 'racially offensive' sign banning Eastern Europeans from shop ... after string of raids by Romanians

A respected jeweller has been given a police warning for 'racially offensive' conduct after banning gypsies from his shop in the wake of a series of raids by an Eastern European crime gang.

Michael Plant, 62, repeatedly called in officers after the foreign thieves - believed to be Romanian travellers - stole pieces from his jewellery shop in Altrincham, Cheshire.

Mr Plant reacted to the string of thefts with a sign in his shop window reading: 'Sorry, we do not serve Eastern Europeans or Gypsies.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...l#ixzz0LWPToQRu

Look mate do like everybody else and bury your head in the sand

[Bill Hill]

Soon it'll be 'racially offensive' if you don't let them rob you..or to offer any resistance during a robbery.

After all, it's an integral part of their cultural identity and therefore must be persevered for future generations.

It's all about cohesive inclusion of diversify within the community.. or something.

Personally I suggest, we round up their caravans and push them off the white cliffs of Dover.

But hey, that's just me.

[chemical-licker]

we round up their caravans and push them off the white cliffs of Dover.

But hey, that's just me.

you cant say that.

[Splodgenessabounds]

It's his shop so he can ban whoever he wants, end of discussion. What's next?

Edited July 17, 2009 by Splodgenessabounds

[MARAB0D]

A civilised way to do the same is to have a door guard throwing them out instead of a stupid sign. I am actually surprised with the way Gypos behave themselves in Europe, as in the past I had extensive experience of communicating with them, doing business with them and even staying in their homes few times when there was no hotel available. They are only nasty when they see you as a prey, and they indeed can be quite ruthless, but overall in other circumstances they are quite honest and talented people, I only do not like the way how they treat their wives. Moreover, they are quite skilled and hardworking, so what they do in Europe only shows that Europeans treat them as outcasts and thus put themselves in the line of fire. Or maybe Romanian Gypsies are so specifically poor that they are just desperate, hard to say. By the way, the best method to avoid being ripped off, when they approach you in a street, is to be proactive - do not let them to open the mouth first, just smile and say "how are you? Can I help you?", this completely knocks them off (just try once).

[atom286]

He should keep the sign up and when he is arrested go to the press.

[InHuman]

You have a right to not get robbed.

But banning a whole group of people is never going to work out for you.

[itsnotoutthere]

It's about time the words 'race' 'racist' & 'racialist' were banned. It's just become a stick to beat people with & is now meaningless.

''But banning a whole group of people is never going to work out for you.'' -InHuman.

Why not, my local newsagent has banned groups of teenagers quite successfully.

Edited July 18, 2009 by itsnotoutthere

[Michelle]

''But banning a whole group of people is never going to work out for you.'' -InHuman.

Why not, my local newsagent has banned groups of teenagers quite successfully.

Our largest local mall and movie theatre has banned teenagers without an adult with them after 6 PM.

[MARAB0D]

Our largest local mall and movie theatre has banned teenagers without an adult with them after 6 PM.

So the suggested solution is... to allow Gypsies to the shop only accompanied by cops?

[odas]

Jeweller warned over 'racially offensive' sign banning Eastern Europeans from shop ... after string of raids by Romanians

A respected jeweller has been given a police warning for 'racially offensive' conduct after banning gypsies from his shop in the wake of a series of raids by an Eastern European crime gang.

Michael Plant, 62, repeatedly called in officers after the foreign thieves - believed to be Romanian travellers - stole pieces from his jewellery shop in Altrincham, Cheshire.

Mr Plant reacted to the string of thefts with a sign in his shop window reading: 'Sorry, we do not serve Eastern Europeans or Gypsies.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...l#ixzz0LWPToQRu

Look mate do like everybody else and bury your head in the sand

I can uderstand this persons anger since I used to have my own shop too and was tried to be robbed - by gypsies.

But it never came to my mind to put a sign on the door not to allow all gypsies to come in not to mention "all eastern europeans".

He went to far with that but, again, he probably was acting in great anger.

Just imagine a russian billionare who was ready to buy a million dollar ring for one of his girlfriends turns away from this shop because he is an eastern european.

Not good for bussines, this sign.

Cameras, security guards...... they are ways to protect yourself.

Edited July 18, 2009 by odas

[stevewinn]

Romanian Gypsies are nothing more than a crime wave on wheels. and its a waste of time calling the jon-darms their **** scared of them.

[MARAB0D]

Romanian Gypsies are nothing more than a crime wave on wheels. and its a waste of time calling the jon-darms their **** scared of them.

This makes a great philosophical example! Ze Gerrmans were destroyed for them destroying the Gypsies - which resulted in Europe being looted by the Gypsies. Maybe it was better to let the Germans in?

[Bill Hill]

Ze Gerrmans were destroyed for them destroying the Gypsies - which resulted in Europe being looted by the Gypsies. Maybe it was better to let the Germans in?

Well, tis true Hilter did try and exterminate the gypsies and he liked animals, especially dogs.

See, there's good in everyone.., you've just gotta dig deep.

[chemical-licker]

you've just gotta dig deep

yeap, quite literally!

[MARAB0D]

Well, tis true Hilter did try and exterminate the gypsies and he liked animals, especially dogs.

See, there's good in everyone.., you've just gotta dig deep.

By now I can notice that exterminating Gypsies becomes a Great European Dream, so some may sacrifice EU to have them locked back to Rumania... Is not it easier to give them jobs? They are great wall-painters, blacksmiths, musicians, singers and horse grooms. No one in Europe knows horses like them, by the way. And they know how to make ultrasound with their lips, so the dogs are scared to bark when they steal those horses. Sure there must be some social niche for them!

[MARAB0D]

If a horse is biting or kicking, the Gypos can educate it in a matter of few hours, and the lesson lasts for life, so one can safely pull it by the tail afterwards or keep a finger in its mouth.

[Bill Hill]

And they know how to make ultrasound with their lips, so the dogs are scared to bark when they steal those horses. Sure there must be some social niche for them!

I think I've got it, could they be...and this is only a suggestion, just thinking out loud but could they be, employed as medical ultrasound machines?

[MARAB0D]

I think I've got it, could they be...and this is only a suggestion, just thinking out loud but could they be, employed as medical ultrasound machines?

Unsure of medicine, but they probably can help the fishermen to communicate with fish

I can guarantee they can be domesticated and become useful. It is just an educational issue, one has to invest in working on them. Otherwise they would all be in jails in a year, and then the talk would start about racism.

[Eternal Light]

I can uderstand this persons anger since I used to have my own shop too and was tried to be robbed - by gypsies.

But it never came to my mind to put a sign on the door not to allow all gypsies to come in not to mention "all eastern europeans".

He went to far with that but, again, he probably was acting in great anger.

Just imagine a russian billionare who was ready to buy a million dollar ring for one of his girlfriends turns away from this shop because he is an eastern european.

Not good for bussines, this sign.

Cameras, security guards...... they are ways to protect yourself.

Yes, I think that answer lies in having good security back-up. CCTV needs to be reliable tho, some of the imagery from the commercial set-ups are abysmal. Also, why isn't the jewellery under glass? This puzzles me; I have never been in a Jewellers establishment where the jewellery is not secured in some casing.

[MARAB0D]

Yes, I think that answer lies in having good security back-up. CCTV needs to be reliable tho, some of the imagery from the commercial set-ups are abysmal. Also, why isn't the jewellery under glass? This puzzles me; I have never been in a Jewellers establishment where the jewellery is not secured in some casing.

Most likely the glass and casing was stolen by Gypsies, who were illiterate and did not read the sign

[Lord Umbarger]

Admittedly, it's wrong and it's racist and there is no group of people that are all alike but, that being said, if every dog you ever met bit you, you'd understandably be a little biased against dogs.

It's why I don't go wandering off through the woods pikcing up every copper head and and rattler that I come across. Sure, this one might be different but.........

Sad as it may be, most all of the stereo types have some basis in fact. Gypsies have been regarded through out history as shifty and thieving. 9 times out of 10, that is unjustified but, if you only meet one in your whole life adn were ripped off by them, you'd be pretty tempted to subscribe to that assumption.

The best that one can do to stem the tide of racism is not to just stop hating everyone who is different but, to stop being the stereotypical kind of person that others hate.

The sickness... - The Cure....

All Whites are Racist- Whites should go out of their way to make sure that they are fair in all things

All Muslims are terrorists- Muslims should take every opertunity to rid their communities of terrorists

All black teens are criminals- Blacks teens should make it a point to NOT fit that image (finish school, stay

out of jail)

All Gypsies are crooks- Romas should make every effort to be fair in their business dealings

All Jews are Christ Killers- Alright, we promise, the next time you X-tians find a G-d, we Jews promise

that the Roman Empire won't kill him.

So simple a Conservative American, (such as me), could figure it out!

Edited July 20, 2009 by Lord Umbarger

[Siara]

'Sorry, we do not serve Eastern Europeans or Gypsies.'

Yup, that's racist. If this jeweler thinks that banning Eastern Europeans and Gypsies is going to keep him safe from theft, he's drastically overestimating the rest of humanity. The guy needs a better surveillance system, not a racist sign.

Lord Umbarger wrote:

Admittedly, it's wrong and it's racist and there is no group of people that are all alike but, that being said, if every dog you ever met bit you, you'd understandably be a little biased against dogs.

It's why I don't go wandering off through the woods pikcing up every copper head and and rattler that I come across. Sure, this one might be different but.........

Sad as it may be, most all of the stereo types have some basis in fact. Gypsies have been regarded through out history as shifty and thieving. 9 times out of 10, that is unjustified but, if you only meet one in your whole life adn were ripped off by them, you'd be pretty tempted to subscribe to that assumption.

This is SO true. There's something about telling people that they can't generalize from their past experiences that defies common sense. If you get mugged three times by a tall, white bald guy and later on you cross the street when you see a tall white bald guy coming towards you.. yeah, you're prejudiced and yeah, it's bad but it's also natural. It's hard to know what to do.

Edited July 20, 2009 by Siara

[sam12six]

Yup, that's racist. If this jeweler thinks that banning Eastern Europeans and Gypsies is going to keep him safe from theft, he's drastically overestimating the rest of humanity. The guy needs a better surveillance system, not a racist sign.

I'm sure my opinion will be incredibly popular, but I don't see what's wrong with the sign. Granted, there is also a security issue that needs to be dealt with.

Security issues aside, I believe any private business person (by which I mean someone whose business neither gets government subsidies nor contracts) should have the right to openly choose to alienate any group of would-be customers they wish.

In a market with no governmental interference, this works itself out.

Say a jeweler believes black people are all thieves and puts up a sign that says "We do not serve black people":

If jewelry is such a necessity of life that this jeweler's policy is depriving black people in the area, you know what will happen? Another jeweler will pop up and take that profit for himself. The jeweler has hurt his bottom line and black people can rest assured that their hard-earned money isn't financing the lifestyle of someone who hates them. Win/Win.

Now, if jewelry isn't such a necessity of life that it hurts his business, then NOT putting up that sign doesn't provide any benefit for black people anyway.

I personally don't see a difference between "Sorry, we do not serve Eastern Europeans or Gypsies", "Black owned business", or "American Made".

Each one can potentially make a given customer more or less likely to patronize the business posting the sign. I think you should either ban ANY mention of race, creed, religion, etc... (positive or negative in tone) or none.

[MARAB0D]

Sam, this jeweller chose to select a large group of people basing on their ethnicity and ban them from his business. Technically it is not racism, it is Nazism. This approach contradicts wording and sense of Universal Declaration of Human Rights from 1948, and in some countries which are signatorees to the Declaration this can involve criminal charges as a felony. This was the primary reason he got the warning from police, not from human rights activists - because what he did was a felony.