ExpandMyMind Posted July 22, 2009 #1 Share Posted July 22, 2009 British forces are so short of helicopters in Helmand that they are hiring Russian civilian aircraft to transport supplies. The revelation came yesterday as a Russian helicopter crashed on take-off from Kandahar - the coalition's main air base in southern Afghanistan. Sixteen of the 21 civilians on board were killed. Officials said enemy fire was not responsible for the crash. Read more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRCivic98 Posted July 22, 2009 #2 Share Posted July 22, 2009 forget the Russian Aircraft dude, stick to the russian weapons like the Dragunov, AK-47, AK-74, Mosin Nagat, and all the rest of the cool and very well made weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARAB0D Posted July 22, 2009 #3 Share Posted July 22, 2009 forget the Russian Aircraft dude, stick to the russian weapons like the Dragunov, AK-47, AK-74, Mosin Nagat, and all the rest of the cool and very well made weapons. Are you suggesting UK reestablishing and joining Warsaw pact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 22, 2009 #4 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Are you suggesting UK reestablishing and joining Warsaw pact? Hmmm...then the Warsaw pact would have two members again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted July 22, 2009 #5 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Gordon Brown says the army have everything they need the commanders on the ground say other wise. in 2001 we bought 8 brand new Chinook helicopters the same eight have never seen service locked in a hanger gathering dust. and bear in mind Gordon Brown cut the helicopter budget by 1.4 Billion in 2004. its no wonder we are struggling and soldiers are dying. Just yesterday Lord Malloch-Brown a Labour minister admitted the army needs more helicopters. yet today just 24 hours later hes backtracked. now according to him we have enough. (i wonder who visited him in the night) Look at the Gobshite. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8162969.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander CMG Posted July 22, 2009 #6 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I have a mate that was bailed out trouble from a 2 hour fire fight in February by half a dozen dutch guys and 2 young teenage Afghans... after repeatedly calling for support... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondhand Posted July 22, 2009 #7 Share Posted July 22, 2009 in 2001 we bought 8 brand new Chinook helicopters the same eight have never seen service locked in a hanger gathering dust. They're 6 miles form my house, I believe the reason they are not being used is because the US wouldn't release the software needed to fly them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWeather Posted July 22, 2009 #8 Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Any read this? Link. A Labour peer has called the General "Unloyal" for speaking out against the gov't, telling them that they're not doing what they should to support the troops. Lack of food, water, equipment, helicopters. While Labour - who, really have never even been in a room with two people having a punch up. Deny that there's a lack of support. Ugh... A pox on Labour and Brown's cabinet. Edited July 22, 2009 by GreyWeather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted July 22, 2009 Author #9 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Any read this? Link. A Labour peer has called the General "Unloyal" for speaking out against the gov't, telling them that they're not doing what they should to support the troops. Lack of food, water, equipment, helicopters. While Labour - who, really have never even been in a room with two people having a punch up. Deny that there's a lack of support. Ugh... A pox on Labour and Brown's cabinet. yeah it's shocking. i think that's the man steve was referring to earlier. he said one thing one day and another the next... politicians for you... professional liars... and professional vankers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted July 22, 2009 #10 Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) yeah it's shocking. i think that's the man steve was referring to earlier. he said one thing one day and another the next... politicians for you... professional liars... and professional vankers... I thought you nearly swore then, its a good job you know French. Edited July 22, 2009 by stevewinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hill Posted July 22, 2009 #11 Share Posted July 22, 2009 forget the Russian Aircraft dude, stick to the russian weapons like the Dragunov, AK-47, AK-74, Mosin Nagat, and all the rest of the cool and very well made weapons. Yep, I always thought russian design had a sort of meaty quality to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted July 23, 2009 #12 Share Posted July 23, 2009 We have been doing the same thing. ~Thanato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted July 23, 2009 #13 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) We have been doing the same thing. ~Thanato What gets me is The Canadians, British, Americans and the Dutch are doing more of the fighting. which is resulting in our Armies being over worked. we struggle on while others stand idly by. Afghanistan has proved one thing most of the members cannot be relied upon. Its about time we allowed Germany to become a military superpower again. Edited July 23, 2009 by stevewinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted July 23, 2009 #14 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I dont think Germany wants to be a Military Superpower. And after next year Canada will be withdrawing from Afghanistan to rest, rebuild, resupply, and refit the Army. ~Thanato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRCivic98 Posted July 23, 2009 #15 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Yep, I always thought russian design had a sort of meaty quality to it. mmmhmmm, but if everyone keeps worrying about quality in their weapons start asking for weapons that was used during Vietnam, Korea, and World War II and heck even World War I if you wanted. Those weapons are still around today and they handle and act a lot better than a lot of the modern day weapons....just have to teach people to cover up the M1 Garand annoying PING sound, lol. But the 30-06 round would tell your enemy that you've got him lined up. Mosin Nagat firing the 7.62x54R is a very nice round as well. Then the M14 or now known as the M1A Springfield fires the .308 caliber which would have some devisating effects on your enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted July 23, 2009 Author #16 Share Posted July 23, 2009 What gets me is The Canadians, British, Americans and the Dutch are doing more of the fighting. which is resulting in our Armies being over worked. we struggle on while others stand idly by. Afghanistan has proved one thing most of the members cannot be relied upon. Its about time we allowed Germany to become a military superpower again. i agree that with nato this always happens.. but steve, don't you think that any of us fighting this never ending, ever expanding war, is pointless? wouldn't you prefer it if we just left? we had no business fighting the taleban in the first place and all it has done is increase opium production exponentially and fill the gap of the taleban in the country with warlords who are in no way any better. wouldn't you prefer our soldiers to stop dying for no reason? wouldn't you prefer our nation to spend all the money wasted on these pointless wars on our economy? i, for one, would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidInTheHall Posted July 23, 2009 #17 Share Posted July 23, 2009 We just need to let people alone who aren't causing trouble and who don't want our help, I know it's not that easy but all I know is we have our friends (The British, Canadians and whoever else that I'm not even sure of) and we just need to focus on working with them to help each other all around. I like our Allies, I'm glad we have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARAB0D Posted July 23, 2009 #18 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i agree that with nato this always happens.. but steve, don't you think that any of us fighting this never ending, ever expanding war, is pointless? wouldn't you prefer it if we just left? we had no business fighting the taleban in the first place and all it has done is increase opium production exponentially and fill the gap of the taleban in the country with warlords who are in no way any better. wouldn't you prefer our soldiers to stop dying for no reason? wouldn't you prefer our nation to spend all the money wasted on these pointless wars on our economy? i, for one, would. But sometimes it is too late to leave. The wars create new realities, and Afghan war strengthened Taliban so heavily, that they now can challenge the government of Pakistan and are trying to get the nuclear arsenals. If we look back, they did not even exist before Soviet invasion, and then appeared as a small group of young Islamic students - but the victory in that first war put them in power over Afghanistan; now the current war almost made them the leaders of Pakistan too. If NATO now withdraws, they would be able to control all Middle East in few years. I guess, Russia understands that NATO has no way back, so they support it, as this conflict wears NATO by attrition. Any sensible war has exit strategy from the beginning, as it targets signing a peace treaty on certain desired conditions. There was nothing to sign for ending this war from the beginning, as this was a war with the warlords, not with another government. Means it lacked exit strategy from start, and thus now presents a neverending search for such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted July 23, 2009 #19 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i agree that with nato this always happens.. but steve, don't you think that any of us fighting this never ending, ever expanding war, is pointless? wouldn't you prefer it if we just left? we had no business fighting the taleban in the first place and all it has done is increase opium production exponentially and fill the gap of the taleban in the country with warlords who are in no way any better. wouldn't you prefer our soldiers to stop dying for no reason? wouldn't you prefer our nation to spend all the money wasted on these pointless wars on our economy? i, for one, would. well after 9/11 NATO agreed the attack on the US constituted an attack on all. as a result of Collective defence NATO decided to deploy troops. so its up to the members to see the job through if we cut and run it will be a terrible indictment of NATO if the 28 member states cannot see this mission through. NATO need to treat this WAR has a WAR. even our own government and others still to this day refuse to refer to Afghanistan as a WAR. i think that says it all. once the members accept were at war the sooner things can be sorted and better for all concerned. Its my belief if this war was treated has such this mission would have been over within five years. The time has come to put the cards on the table and finance and resource this war properly. if not then bring the soldiers back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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