What If We Were All The Same Soul

[Hugh]

What if we're all the same soul, but at different points in our development?

It's an idea I've wondered about for a long time.

What if there is only one soul, and it's on a journey of trillions of lives lived?

What if there is no limitation to when this soul travels to - maybe it lives a life in the 1900's then next lives one 3,000 years ago, then next 10,000 years later?

Each life there is a step up in understanding and growth.

There wouldn't be a conscious recollection of past lives but a general growing deeper awareness of what is right and good.

With such a reality, no one else is hurt when we choose to harm but only ourself.

We also reap the rewards of being good when we benefit from our own kindness.

There is a sense of connection, of completion, of timelessness and justice.

One could take this idea further and include all life forms everywhere in the universe.

One could take it further and include a scale of size as well, and figure that the last life lived would be of the entire universe itself - encompassing all.

Thoughts anyone?

[ai_guardian]

You are not unique in your thoughts, I have a similar hypothesis. Written about it elsewhere on these forums (about 1 - 2 years ago).

Mine did not include a soul, a soul is not required imho.

My view is that it is the Ultimate Justice for All. When you help someone you help your self. If you hurt someone you hurt your self.

And as I've said before, it gives the perfect meaning to "do unto others as you would have do unto you".

Cheers

Guardian

[Galactic]

well Hugh as my knowledge of this that one has its one soul that is linked with in blue print that as who they are but their some causes ones shared part of one self. Even though its many points of development to humans and others its such ways what is need to grow and so froth to evolved or pass on. I guess you have wounder about this years ago or it been more then that? yes there is no limitations for one self or others who they are in fact also many since time have know age where they went in past life or travel long journey many life's to to gain know age or spiritual growth and ect.. it has not much of time line its close to but many difference more so close to in 1900's or close to next gap around there even though years later it depending on such one wanted to come down or its other means. Some causes that conscious dose hold the key of know age of past life or one self with in spiritual in some causes, yes since time man and other do grow in deeper awareness its part of lesson and growth of one being. In some causes ones are not readily its more likely reality or truth can harm such levels of one self. Yes there are other life forms out there and humans are not lone since time other words shared many things though out or not have close to others in one way. Maybe this helps you understand bit Hugh on things mostly know age is an key and open many passable s of ones dreams and understanding.

[Hugh]

You are not unique in your thoughts, I have a similar hypothesis. Written about it elsewhere on these forums (about 1 - 2 years ago).

Mine did not include a soul, a soul is not required imho.

My view is that it is the Ultimate Justice for All. When you help someone you help your self. If you hurt someone you hurt your self.

And as I've said before, it gives the perfect meaning to "do unto others as you would have do unto you".

Cheers

Guardian

Hi Guardian and thanks.

I did a search and found this quote from you about your similar thoughts on Sep 14, 2007, in a thread about Free Will:

"Here's a really good analogy I thought of just the other day. Keep in mind that it is ONLY an ANALOGY and nothing you can describe with respect to this subject maps 1:1 to reality. Think of life as a theatrical play. Each of us is an actor. We get given the script/plot before our part in the play begins. We step onto the stage and do our bit as is in the script but our acting is not based on remembering the script - this is the crucial part ie. we don't know what we will act out because we no longer have the script. We step off the stage (when our part is over) look into the script and find that we acted out exactly what was in the script. Now, next night the same play plays out, same theater but we can choose another part in the play. We get given the script to read what will happen, step onto the stage (without the script) and act out our role as was meant to be. Finally, repeat ad-infinitum for every role! What you find in the end is that there is only ONE actor taking on all the roles. Because from the outside (of the universe) time does not exist the ONE actor can take on all the roles! See where reincarnation is coming from? See the sense of 'do unto others as you would like others do unto you'. See the sense in UR the architects. Consciousness is TIMELESS experiencing absolutely everything there is to experience in this wonderland we call home (our universe). This includes finding out the truth! Outside the universe the universe is already determined and all the roles are set in stone and done. The ONE consciousness can step into any role/part in what WE perceive as any life past or future - including plant, animal, bacteria, virus, alien(?), and US. The GRAND illusion is that we are separate - we cannot get over that from within, but yet again it is only an ILLUSION thanks to time and space (the universe really). Was Hitler evil? By our standards yes of course, from the point of consciousness it makes no difference because the same consciousness is in all the people that he was evil to. The ultimate eye for an eye."

The difference I think would be that I believe that there is a free will.

If the soul has no free will, where would the ultimate justice part of the idea come in?

AntariStarChild, I've talked with you in the Chat Room before, hi.

I appreciate your thoughts, and it seems that you've had similar ideas about the "growth of one being"...

[Blink4567]

I believe that we are all seperate souls but we run off of one huge energy source.

[faraway]

New spirituality pretty much accepts this as fact, Everything is energy, energy does not end, it changes it's form therefore you are separate from nothing and noone. You are part of the everything and the all that is God....

So I've heard

[She-ra]

What if we're all the same soul, but at different points in our development?

Thoughts anyone?

WOW!! Cool idea. I can't wait to see where this thread goes. VERY INTERESTING!!

[Hugh]

I believe that we are all seperate souls but we run off of one huge energy source.

I definitely agree with the same energy source Jessem.

The connectedness that exists I think is much more than we realize.

[Hugh]

New spirituality pretty much accepts this as fact, Everything is energy, energy does not end, it changes it's form therefore you are separate from nothing and noone. You are part of the everything and the all that is God....

So I've heard

I'd agree faraway, we are all part of the same thing.

[ai_guardian]

The difference I think would be that I believe that there is a free will.

If the soul has no free will, where would the ultimate justice part of the idea come in?

AntariStarChild, I've talked with you in the Chat Room before, hi.

I appreciate your thoughts, and it seems that you've had similar ideas about the "growth of one being"...

Yes, that is a big difference, free will vs no free will.

The ultimate justice for all is meant from an individual (subjective - the individual lives) perspective as that is, imho, the only place we could define justice from.

I don't believe in a soul.

I'm curious. If, as you posit, there may be just one soul, what in your opinion is the point of the "development" of this soul and to what end ?

Cheers

Guardian

[Hugh]

Yes, that is a big difference, free will vs no free will.

The ultimate justice for all is meant from an individual (subjective - the individual lives) perspective as that is, imho, the only place we could define justice from.

I don't believe in a soul.

I'm curious. If, as you posit, there may be just one soul, what in your opinion is the point of the "development" of this soul and to what end ?

Cheers

Guardian

Well, I see a purpose in everything that exists.

I don't believe that everything came from nothing and for no reason.

There is a design, an intelligence, a wisdom, a growth taking place.

I see this growth as a continual process, which doesn't end, until all is understood.

[Virtual Particle]

Gravity and quantum mechanics

Main articles: Graviton and Quantum gravity

Several decades after the discovery of general relativity it was realized that general relativity is incompatible with quantum mechanics.[19] It is possible to describe gravity in the framework of quantum field theory like the other fundamental forces, such that the attractive force of gravity arises due to exchange of virtual gravitons, in the same way as the electromagnetic force arises from exchange of virtual photons.[20][21] This reproduces general relativity in the classical limit. However, this approach fails at short distances of the order of the Planck length,[22] where a more complete theory of quantum gravity (or a new approach to quantum mechanics) is required. Many believe the complete theory to be string theory,[23] or more currently M Theory.

Rest of link

Gravity is what holds everything together. When people say they do not know how everything is held together it can sound like this. Of course many would say "Despite what we do not know everything seems to be held together, but wait did you not read the reference above?

Undeerstanding how Gravity works will lend to the sum total of all knowledge and for more reasons that. One of the objectives of Unified Field Theories is to determine the relationship between space/time and matter/light as integrated on some level.

M-theory is really interesting actually but that does not change the conclusion that as far as matter/light and space/time gravity is what is holding things together.

Any thoughts?

[Hugh]

Undeerstanding how Gravity works will lend to the sum total of all knowledge and for more reasons that. One of the objectives of Unified Field Theories is to determine the relationship between space/time and matter/light as integrated on some level.

Hmm, I'm not sure that this post was meant for this thread Triad... although I do think that a Unified Field Theory is a worthy thing to strive for...

[Virtual Particle]

My point being that there is something to understand (and that is important), that understanding, is not in the way of coming to terms with the idea that there is one soul.

Any thoughts?

[nuttychef]

Hi Guardian and thanks.

I did a search and found this quote from you about your similar thoughts on Sep 14, 2007, in a thread about Free Will:

"Here's a really good analogy I thought of just the other day. Keep in mind that it is ONLY an ANALOGY and nothing you can describe with respect to this subject maps 1:1 to reality. Think of life as a theatrical play. Each of us is an actor. We get given the script/plot before our part in the play begins. We step onto the stage and do our bit as is in the script but our acting is not based on remembering the script - this is the crucial part ie. we don't know what we will act out because we no longer have the script. We step off the stage (when our part is over) look into the script and find that we acted out exactly what was in the script. Now, next night the same play plays out, same theater but we can choose another part in the play. We get given the script to read what will happen, step onto the stage (without the script) and act out our role as was meant to be. Finally, repeat ad-infinitum for every role! What you find in the end is that there is only ONE actor taking on all the roles. Because from the outside (of the universe) time does not exist the ONE actor can take on all the roles! See where reincarnation is coming from? See the sense of 'do unto others as you would like others do unto you'. See the sense in UR the architects. Consciousness is TIMELESS experiencing absolutely everything there is to experience in this wonderland we call home (our universe). This includes finding out the truth! Outside the universe the universe is already determined and all the roles are set in stone and done. The ONE consciousness can step into any role/part in what WE perceive as any life past or future - including plant, animal, bacteria, virus, alien(?), and US. The GRAND illusion is that we are separate - we cannot get over that from within, but yet again it is only an ILLUSION thanks to time and space (the universe really). Was Hitler evil? By our standards yes of course, from the point of consciousness it makes no difference because the same consciousness is in all the people that he was evil to. The ultimate eye for an eye."

The difference I think would be that I believe that there is a free will.

If the soul has no free will, where would the ultimate justice part of the idea come in?

AntariStarChild, I've talked with you in the Chat Room before, hi.

I appreciate your thoughts, and it seems that you've had similar ideas about the "growth of one being"...

I am in agreement with you both.

[John from Lowell]

Once you start to see the soul as an energy essence, then yes we can see how everything is connected.

One could take this idea further and include all life forms everywhere in the universe.

Exactly !!!

John

[Lt_Ripley]

what if we're nothing more than small pieces of God ? what if everything is ?

[Virtual Particle]

what if we're nothing more than small pieces of God ? what if everything is ?

Holonomic's sugests that in fact, that is what we could be.

Any thoughts?

Edited July 28, 2009 by Triad

[.i.]

Rest of link

Gravity is what holds everything together. When people say they do not know how everything is held together it can sound like this. Of course many would say "Despite what we do not know everything seems to be held together, but wait did you not read the reference above?

Undeerstanding how Gravity works will lend to the sum total of all knowledge and for more reasons that. One of the objectives of Unified Field Theories is to determine the relationship between space/time and matter/light as integrated on some level.

M-theory is really interesting actually but that does not change the conclusion that as far as matter/light and space/time gravity is what is holding things together.

Any thoughts?

I didn't know that "gravity" as we know it can explain quantum behaviors...

[nuttychef]

One Intelligent source decides to become many intelligent sources that will forever represent the original source but yet remain separate unless they so choose to go back to the origin of birth?

[Jester99]

I believe that we are all part of the same essence. Which is to say that we live at the same level of awareness and knowledge of what right and wrong is. I believe the soul is individualized and is separate from a collective entity. More plainly, each of us has an individual soul that is part of a collective essence.

[Virtual Particle]

Put a holographic image on a large plate of glass, now break the glass and pick up one of the pieces, look at the side with the image. When you move any of the pieces around that way, you will be able to see the whole image as it was prepared, prior to breaking the glass.

If God is everywhere and in all things then we are in a manner of speaking, extensions or somehow mirrored aspects of his creation. Also let me be clear this is not to imply in any way that I feel, we do have free will and do have separateness.

What I am suggesting in this model begins with the idea that; if there is awareness in the Universe, then it could be because the Universe is aware?

Also, it not that I think the Universe is God but perhaps and aspect and in that sense, more than just a creation.

Any thoughts?

Edited July 29, 2009 by Triad

[Jester99]

Put a holographic image on a large plate of glass, now break the glass and pick up one of the pieces, look at the side with the image. When you move any of the pieces around that way, you will be able to see the whole image as it was prepared, prior to breaking the glass.

If God is everywhere and in all things then we are in a manner of speaking, extensions or somehow mirrored aspects of his creation. Also let me be clear this is not to imply in any way that I feel, we do have free will and do have separateness.

What I am suggesting in this model begins with the idea that; if there is awareness in the Universe, then it could be because the Universe is aware?

Also, it not that I think the Universe is God but perhaps and aspect and in that sense, more than just a creation.

,

Any thoughts?

We all have things in common. At our basic level we are all different forms of one basic element, Energy. In my opinion you can not look at God as part of the universe or energy. Most Christians believe God knows our thoughts. To conceive a being that is all knowing could be true. Saying God is in all things may be better stated that God is creator of all things. That is the reason why we say God is in all things.

What you are presenting is that there is a connection between all things. Then your saying that all things are aware of that connection, or at least I think that is what you are saying. I agree with that concept.

Your last statement you made I don't understand.

[.i.]

Put a holographic image on a large plate of glass, now break the glass and pick up one of the pieces, look at the side with the image. When you move any of the pieces around that way, you will be able to see the whole image as it was prepared, prior to breaking the glass.

If God is everywhere and in all things then we are in a manner of speaking, extensions or somehow mirrored aspects of his creation. Also let me be clear this is not to imply in any way that I feel, we do have free will and do have separateness.

What I am suggesting in this model begins with the idea that; if there is awareness in the Universe, then it could be because the Universe is aware?

Also, it not that I think the Universe is God but perhaps and aspect and in that sense, more than just a creation.

Any thoughts?

We have consciousness because the brain is built so we can think and do many things, consciousness is just that, to think and do stuff, if we didnt have consciousness then we wouldn't work, we would be unconscious.

[Virtual Particle]

Another argument is that the Universe exists because from a frame of reference it is possible and God has nothing to do with it. To this I would say that is this is true what is the probability that everything that has happened in this Universe will happen again? In relation to an infinity there is a chance so how therefore douse on then justify in reality the potential of a relationship in respect to that?

Buddhism suggest that Heaven and Earth are part of a spectrum that is what I meant by more than just a creation.

Any thoughts?