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Calm down people, the white Europeans arent just going to diminish and die out!

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Well actually, based on racial differential fertility rates, Whites will die out in 100 years. But, since all races are the same, does it matter then?

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Well actually, based on racial differential fertility rates, Whites will die out in 100 years. But, since all races are the same, does it matter then?

Ok thats utter crap. lol. We aint gonna die out in a hundred years maybe a 1000 not a hundred

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Perhaps 100 years is too soon. But here in America whites will be a minority by 2050, as speculated by professional demographers. Perhaps a better statement is that as a percentage of the national population, whites will get smaller and smaller, though there absolute numbers will increase.

BUT, I have read that in Russia, the absolute number of Whites is decreasing due to below replacment birthrates, and perhaps the same is true in Europe.

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All this "Whites Vs. Blacks" thing is a complete rubbish.

We are all the same people, Homo-Sapiens (well, most of us anyway...), and if you take an Indian (that is, Asian Indian) and raise it in a European family he will be no less European than his adopting parents.

And to wunarmdscissor:

Well as you so often comment to me that im not in Israel an dont understand.

Take it from someone who is european. There is no islamic takeover about to happen here.

As oppose to most of you here who probably never been to Israel, I do travel abroad and I have been in France, Germany, Italy, Poland and the Swiss republic (as well as other countries that aren't in Europe so it doesn't matter to our discussion), and I can say that I did notice the more than 10% of population of Muslims in France.

France will probably be Muslim in a half a century or so.

And as regard to being European - my father is a Russian Jew and my mother a Romanian Jew, and I my self have blue eyes and red-hair and pale skin, and in 2007 I will become a European citizen through my mother's Romanian citizenship, together with other 25% of Israelis which are of European background, so I feel I can say about Europe whatever I want, as historically all my forefathers were probably born in Europe during the last 2,000 years, and my mother's uncle is burried in Polish soil after being liquified by the hands of the EUROPEAN Nazis.

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so ....where you born in europe?

Do you live in europe at the moment?

Do you witness everyday life in europe?

Do you have any fact to say that france "will become muslim" in half a century?

Do you think the french population are just gonna stop having children lol?

so youve visited europe a few times big wow. Tell me how that means you were able to make informed judgements on euopean demographics?lol

Just because youve gained some sort of weak link to europe through family still means that youve got as much right to speak about europe as i do about israel lol.

Say whatever you want about europe anyway , ill simply correct you.

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The thing is, that there are Europeans here in this forum which agree with me on this particular issue, and I don't think they are radical anti-Muslims or other radical political orientation (take Seraphina and Stamford and bathory for example. More than that - Seraphina is a Socialist which means that if she notice that her country has such a thing as a demographic problem, it must be serious).

I do not live in Europe right now, ofcourse, but do you live in France at the moment? Or Belgium?

Do you witness everyday life in France?

Do you have any fact to say that france "will NOT become muslim" in half a century?

Do you think the french population are just gonna start having more children lol?

so youve visited inner land of Europe a few times big wow. Tell me how that means you were able to make informed judgements on other euopean countries demographics?lol

Just because youve gained some sort of weak link to other european countries through the EU still means that youve got as much right to speak about other european states as i do.

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The thing is, that there are Europeans here in this forum which agree with me on this particular issue

um...not really...I certainly don't think France is going to be a majority muslim country anytime soon tongue.gif if indeed ever...my veiws on the issue of immigration aren't exactly bright and happy, but they're not paraniod tongue.gif

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um...not really...I certainly don't think France is going to be a majority muslim country anytime soon  if indeed ever...my veiws on the issue of immigration aren't exactly bright and happy, but they're not paraniod

Well, I addmit I was exegerating here a little bit tongue.gif ... but the point is that I indeed see a muslim Europe comming sometimes soon (or at least not all of Europe, but some particular like France and Belgium and maybe Russia).

EDIT: Not that it matters in the long run... I just hope it won't make Europe even more anti-Israeli than it is today

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but the point is that I indeed see a muslim Europe comming sometimes soon

You do know a certain Mr Adolf Hitler was saying the same thing about your people at one point tongue.gif

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You do know a certain Mr Adolf Hitler was saying the same thing about your people at one point

Couldn't help yourself did you? You had to compare Israelis to Nazis.... even though just three posts ago I said: "All this "Whites Vs. Blacks" thing is a complete rubbish.

We are all the same people, Homo-Sapiens (well, most of us anyway...), and if you take an Indian (that is, Asian Indian) and raise it in a European family he will be no less European than his adopting parents.".

And actually Hitler didn't say that about my people, he said that we are parasites and that we don't integrate... sound familiar? whistling2.gif

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And actually Hitler didn't say that about my people, he said that we are parasites and that we don't integrate... sound familiar?

I believe he actually said there were part of some huge cancer that was spreading throughout the world, and had to be taken care of...sort of like a stronger worded version of your "they're taking over Europe" idea tongue.gif He also thought the Jews were in charge of Britain and France...USSR...all the countries you mentioned in fact whistling2.gif

In any event, no, I'm not compairing you to Nazis...well...not at the moment anyway...I'm just trying to demonstrate how paraniod and out of touch you veiws sounded tongue.gif

I don't think there's any chance whatsoever of Muslim's suddenly becoming the European majority...in fact, I think we're almost on a the point of a backlash, where some governments are going to have to strongly address the issue of political correctness.

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Yet again Sera has said everything I would of said. I agree with her 100%.

Isn't it enough that we peacefully and willingly allow these people into our country and then for the minority of those people to plot terrorists attacks on us. Yes this is happening this is not me being paranoid.

If they don't like it they know where to go as far as I am concerned, back to their own countries.Deport them. Problem solved. I have had enough of the way the goverment in this country are handling the situation. I did write in a little more detail about my feelings on another thread so I will not repeat it on here.

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I believe he actually said there were part of some huge cancer that was spreading throughout the world, and had to be taken care of...sort of like a stronger worded version of your "they're taking over Europe" idea  He also thought the Jews were in charge of Britain and France...USSR...all the countries you mentioned in fact

No, he said COMMUNISM was a cancer spreading throughout the world, and that we (Jews) are behind it.

I don't say Muslims should be taken care of in Europe, I just mention the demographic facts.

Hitler didn't see the Jews as a demographic problem (Jews were only 0.5% of the German population... there were more Poles and Turks there than Jews), he said they are taking over the world and enslaving other nations.

He did mentioned USSR (because it was a Communist country, so Hitler's twisted logic told him that Jews must be behind it) and France (because the prime minister of France's last name was Blum, which is a Jewish last name).

Now did I said all these things?? Did my words even come close to those things??! NOT AT ALL!

Youre criticism over immigration and non-integration are much closer to Hitler's sayings, if we are starting to compare like that.

In conclusion, youre post was a demagogue one.

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Also erikl i very much doubt that stamford at least will back your views against my views. just a hunch.

Whatever you say im still a european and you arent.

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In fact I cant wait to see stamfords response to your comment that he would back you of all people uplol.

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I think all the europeans on the forum will agree that whilst our immigration system is far too leniant your views are nothing short of nonsensical.

BTW if we didnt have immigration out health service would collapse there simply isnt enough people in our country who have the adequate skills to maintain it.

So immigration is not always a bad thing.

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BTW in my country we're more worried about the influx of eastern europeans after the new EU rules came into play. Eastern Europeans of the descent of your mother. So its not just muslim immigrants we're worried about.

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Youre criticism over immigration and non-integration are much closer to Hitler's sayings, if we are starting to compare like that.

Oh please...Have you ever lived in this country? Are you actually aware of what is happening within our country?

Britain is seen, as far as I am concerned as easy pickings. Hundreds of asylum seekers come over here evryday and are given free housing, free education, free health care. A small percentage of these are Muslims who come over here expecting us to then bend to their rules. I see it like this, If you move to another country you at least try to understand the culture and the aspects of which make that country. You want to stay as you did? Then go home. Did you know that Oxfam the charity, over christmas did not put up decorations in case it upset the muslims?

Britain is probably one of the most intergrated cultures in the world. And we have been for a long time now. The British people are very accepting of this. Until the same people who come in here then start to moan and groan about our customs and beliefs and plot treason I think is an accurate word against the very people who have let them live in their country.

As you can see I am not very forgiving on this subject.

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Couldn't help yourself did you? You had to compare Israelis to Nazis.... even though just three posts ago I said

I don't hold all of Israel responsible for what a few radical Jews believe.

But, there are some Jews who support the very thing that Hitler did. The very David Horowitz I was talking about, who is Jewish, promotes hatred towards ALL Muslims.

Another prominent Jewish-American, Alan Dershuwitz, is calling for the physical torture of Muslim detainees.

I could name some others. But again, these are individual people, and you can't blame a whole group or nation for it.

And some FAR right wing parties in Israel are pushing for a massive ethnic cleansing of all legal Arab citizens in Israel, just like Hitler did

So, while I support some Israeli parties, other parties I don't.

Same with Blacks: leaders like Lois Farakhan and Jessi Jackson promote hatred against Whites, but you can't blame all Blacks for this.

My goal is to fight terrorism, not to call for the genocide of all Muslims. And most Americans are the same way: fight terrorism, but don't support hatred/genocide.

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Britain is probably one of the most intergrated cultures in the world. And we have been for a long time now. The British people are very accepting of this. Until the same people who come in here then start to moan and groan about our customs and beliefs and plot treason I think is an accurate word against the very people who have let them live in their country.

As you can see I am not very forgiving on this subject

Oh i can see it.

So you'll refuse care from an immigrant doctor in protest of immigration then will you.

Lets ban immigration then all the people whos waiting lists on the NHS have been slashed ......well they can just wait cos we dont wasnt johhny foreigner runnin around do we.

Stop being so insular.

Immigration has its flaws but at least consider its pros.

I mean i keep harking back to the NHS but just how important is the NHS.

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Thread went off topic. Please get back on it.

Thank you.

Edit:

Actually, the thread didn't go off topic. My mistake. Sorry 'bout that. tongue.gif

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Actually Phantom i think this is all relevant to the original topic.

Its all about immigration. Which is what the thread is about.

Dont ban me please crying.gif

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wunarmdscissor, OK, RELAX man!

I did say I was exegerating...

And belive me, I don't think been a European is such a great honour, but I do want a European passport so I will be able to enjoy the benefits of others, and I do see it as a compensation for the suffering of my many generations in Europe.

Besides, Ashkenazi Jews could be consider more European than most Europeans: We lived there long before the Germans came to Germany or the Slavic tribes came to Eastern Europe. We lived in the British Isles in Roman times, long before the Anglo-Saxons lived there.

Ofcourse I see myself as a middle-eastern Israeli and I do aknowledge the fact that my nation's origins are in the middle-east and not in Europe, but we lived there more than most of the current European cultures.

But all these things aren't really matter... cause in the end we are all of the kind, human kind, as I said before.

And my only concern is that if Europe will continue to increase in it's muslims population, it will become more and more anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish. I don't think that it's a coincident that the same European countries that have the largest Muslim minority are also the most anti-Israeli and have more anti-semitic incidents.

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You're absolutey right, wunarmdscissor. My mistake, I got two threads mixed up in my head.

Carry on. thumbsup.gif

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