Caesar Posted August 12, 2009 #1 Share Posted August 12, 2009 "A replacement for the 1997 Kyoto protocol, which expires in 2012, is supposed to be negotiated at the summit. Mr Ban said the leaders had a "once-in-a-generation opportunity". "We have a chance to put in place a climate change agreement that all nations can embrace, which will be equitable, balanced, comprehensible," Mr Ban said. "The world has less than 10 years to halt the global rise in greenhouse gas emissions if we are to avoid catastrophic consequences for people and the planet."" Source and full aricle Quick.... LT Riply poke out that cigarette.... Kratos, turn off the tv set the world is gonna end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted August 12, 2009 #2 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Does any good, sane person take the UN seriously anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 13, 2009 Author #3 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) It seems like they care more about global warming then anything else. Lets look at the Darfur conflict and the claim by U.N. Secretary General on how global warming is to blame "U.N. leader: Darfur slaughter triggered by global warming More violent conflict on horizon due to climate change, he says" U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon ~ Source But if you did some research on the history of that lands, it was once much dryier then it is today " 22,000 to 10,500 years ago: The Sahara was devoid of any human occupation outside the Nile Valley and extended 250 miles further south than it does today. 10,500 to 9,000 years ago: Monsoon rains begin sweeping into the Sahara, transforming the region into a habitable area swiftly settled by Nile Valley dwellers. 9,000 to 7,300 years ago: Continued rains, vegetation growth, and animal migrations lead to well established human settlements, including the introduction of domesticated livestock such as sheep and goats. 7,300 to 5,500 years ago: Retreating monsoonal rains initiate desiccation in the Egyptian Sahara, prompting humans to move to remaining habitable niches in Sudanese Sahara. The end of the rains and return of desert conditions throughout the Sahara after 5,500 coincides with population return to the Nile Valley and the beginning of pharaonic society." Source and full article Edited August 13, 2009 by Caesar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted August 13, 2009 #4 Share Posted August 13, 2009 And there were ice ages once, too! Humans didn't invent climate change. Nor did we invent fauna extinctions. Hell, we didn't even invent forest fires! But it seems that we have the ability to generate all of these, regardless of whether they've happened before. And yes, the present period of climate change promises to exacerbate social tensions and lead to more violence, as in Darfur. Turns out water is an important resource to a lot of people around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bass Posted August 13, 2009 #5 Share Posted August 13, 2009 " 22,000 to 10,500 years ago: The Sahara was devoid of any human occupation outside the Nile Valley and extended 250 miles further south than it does today.10,500 to 9,000 years ago: Monsoon rains begin sweeping into the Sahara, transforming the region into a habitable area swiftly settled by Nile Valley dwellers. 9,000 to 7,300 years ago: Continued rains, vegetation growth, and animal migrations lead to well established human settlements, including the introduction of domesticated livestock such as sheep and goats. 7,300 to 5,500 years ago: Retreating monsoonal rains initiate desiccation in the Egyptian Sahara, prompting humans to move to remaining habitable niches in Sudanese Sahara. The end of the rains and return of desert conditions throughout the Sahara after 5,500 coincides with population return to the Nile Valley and the beginning of pharaonic society." What's your point - that climate change once made North Africa into a significantly worse area than it is today? That doesn't affect the research suggesting what human-induced climate change will do to North Africa in the present. As for the OP, Ban is right - the generally accepted threshold for avoiding some seriously bad consequences from global temperature rise is keeping the temperature below 2 degrees Celsius higher than normal. The window for that, based on current emissions, is closing rapidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted August 13, 2009 #6 Share Posted August 13, 2009 "A replacement for the 1997 Kyoto protocol, which expires in 2012, is supposed to be negotiated at the summit. Mr Ban said the leaders had a "once-in-a-generation opportunity". "We have a chance to put in place a climate change agreement that all nations can embrace, which will be equitable, balanced, comprehensible," Mr Ban said. "The world has less than 10 years to halt the global rise in greenhouse gas emissions if we are to avoid catastrophic consequences for people and the planet."" Source and full aricle Quick.... LT Riply poke out that cigarette.... Kratos, turn off the tv set the world is gonna end Haha. We're so screwed. Our only real hope is if a massive virus emerges and kills off a good 90% of humanity because there's just no way in hell we'll get along all together in the next 10 years to the point of doing what they ask. Just one big joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted August 13, 2009 #7 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Haven't they been telling us, "We have less than 10 years." since the 1980's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRCivic98 Posted August 13, 2009 #8 Share Posted August 13, 2009 And there were ice ages once, too!Humans didn't invent climate change. Nor did we invent fauna extinctions. Hell, we didn't even invent forest fires! But it seems that we have the ability to generate all of these, regardless of whether they've happened before. And yes, the present period of climate change promises to exacerbate social tensions and lead to more violence, as in Darfur. Turns out water is an important resource to a lot of people around the world. and now you understand what the next war shall be fought over? Water and other resources humans need to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 14, 2009 Author #9 Share Posted August 14, 2009 What's your point - that climate change once made North Africa into a significantly worse area than it is today? That doesn't affect the research suggesting what human-induced climate change will do to North Africa in the present. My point is that, that area has a long history of being dry and then the rains making it liveable over and over. why is it that this time its man made global warming? As for the OP, Ban is right - the generally accepted threshold for avoiding some seriously bad consequences from global temperature rise is keeping the temperature below 2 degrees Celsius higher than normal. The window for that, based on current emissions, is closing rapidly. This is complete nonsense. I bet Jesus will save us all soon too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted August 14, 2009 #10 Share Posted August 14, 2009 This is complete nonsense. I bet Jesus will save us all soon too? Obama -- the Messiah -- will, with his cap-and-trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bass Posted August 14, 2009 #11 Share Posted August 14, 2009 My point is that, that area has a long history of being dry and then the rains making it liveable over and over. why is it that this time its man made global warming? Well, there's all that pesky science that you seem determined to ignore. Why don't you read the IPCC Report? This is complete nonsense. I bet Jesus will save us all soon too? Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 14, 2009 Author #12 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Well, there's all that pesky science that you seem determined to ignore. Why don't you read the IPCC Report? Then theres all these sightings of Jesus. **NEWS FLASH** NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming no kidding? it seems like most of the people who follow this man made global warming religion are making tons of money off it, well the scientists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Honeybadger Posted August 14, 2009 #13 Share Posted August 14, 2009 These scare tactics are getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender. Posted August 14, 2009 #14 Share Posted August 14, 2009 It's going to be a long 4 months then. It might even stretch into 2030! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted August 14, 2009 #15 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Haven't they been telling us, "We have less than 10 years." since the 1980's? Yes, that's when, at age 14, I realized I was actually smarter than a 30-something year old Ted Danson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemical-licker Posted August 14, 2009 #16 Share Posted August 14, 2009 So i have 4 months to live, gonna get a massive loan out and spend spend spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bass Posted August 14, 2009 #17 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Then theres all these sightings of Jesus.**NEWS FLASH** NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming no kidding? it seems like most of the people who follow this man made global warming religion are making tons of money off it, well the scientists. I love how you cite a right-wing blog, which itself mis-cites a NASA study that simply shows that solar variation can affect climate (no ****, really), without mentioning that the same authors of those studies themselves acknowledge that change in solar radiation isn't enough to explain the warming over the past century. As for sunspots, we're in the downside of the sunspot cycle - yet warming has continued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted August 14, 2009 #18 Share Posted August 14, 2009 The four month countdown is to the formulation of the next global climate change treaty in Copenhagen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ships-cat Posted August 14, 2009 #19 Share Posted August 14, 2009 "U.N. leader: Darfur slaughter triggered by global warmingMore violent conflict on horizon due to climate change, he says" U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon ~ Source Ban Ki-moon With his head up his bottom, Is a total Loon. And seems to have forgotten. That African Tribes (with some help from Islam) Have been killing each other Since time began. But now it's the Trend To tout the "AGW" Line. Where will it end ? Who cares... just please pass me my wine. Meow Purr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted August 16, 2009 #20 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Haven't they been telling us, "We have less than 10 years." since the 1980's? No difference to any politicians saying if the program is not funded children will die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Honeybadger Posted August 16, 2009 #21 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Tonights forecast.... Partly cloudy with a 40% chance of acid rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickpuppy Posted August 24, 2009 #22 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Haven't they been telling us, "We have less than 10 years." since the 1980's? i was in primary school back then.. i remember the system back then saying it's all hogwash.. now apparently, it's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQLserver Posted August 25, 2009 #23 Share Posted August 25, 2009 4 months? I say we can get completely off of fossil fuels in 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hill Posted August 25, 2009 #24 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Haven't they been telling us, "We have less than 10 years." since the 1980's? too right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted August 27, 2009 #25 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well 4 months to the Copenhagen conference but 10 years to change our habits. I don't think he's mentioning anything new. Whether people agree on greenhouse emissions causing global warming or not, it doesn't really matter. Its still important to take all the precautions and if this drives technology to find better solutions than fossil fuel emissions for example, all the better. What I don't like are countries who are trying to play politics with the rest of the world to support their own selfish agenda. The USA and Australia by not agreeing to the Kyoto Protocol and now its up to China and India, the two most populated, up and coming economies and future industrial powers in the world, who want to dictate terms. We're all in this together, lets stop the political BS! Meanwhile China and India, both keen to protect their ability to continue mass industrialisation, have refused to offer any specific targets for cuts to their emissions. They are also insisting that both Europe and the US commit to 40 per cent cuts in emissions by 2020 against 1990 levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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