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GH and GHI:

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Stormcrow

As an analysis of "reality TV", very succinctly put. Sometimes they even act as if they found evidence.

Okay, that was actually pretty funny. :innocent:

I have to admit that I find the the GH crew to be more likable than the GHI crew. Dustin's upside down and backwards visor is really annoying.

But I agree here. I couldn't watch a full episode of GHI. The first one I tried out I came in on the middle of and Barry, I guess is his name, was provoking a little girl spirit. Whether ghosts are real or not, that's just impolite. :[ So I didn't tune back in for another installment after that... It just didn't have a very professional vibe about it.

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ReconMarine

I refuse to make another comment to you after this one......

Your whole outlook about any of this is your "opinion", regardless of the FACTS.....

Brian as has been documented was served with cease and desist orders from TAPS and GH from identifying himself as a former participant in either entity when he was promoting himself for any other events. His appearance at a recent Comic Con event was cancelled due to a threat to sue by Jason Hawes by if the event coordinators allowed him to appear.

There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that Brian will be returning to those programs.

Jason and Grant have tried to discredit and marginalize him at every turn.

Your adolescent and juvenile argument that if we do no believe some things on the program, that the program is staged is ludicrous. We do not believe some of the findings because the research is flawed. We do not believe some of the evidence because we (I) do not think Grant Wilson is trustworthy.

To contend that because the "setup" to the events in the program are created, means that the show itself is staged....is asinine. The events take place when and where they say, they take place as they say, the documentation conveys that fluidly.

To portend that the program is "acted" out is unfounded, and ONLY an idea conjured up inside of your less than developed intellect.

I don't care if you think my comments were rude, or harsh, or insulting, sometimes those are the only attributes that can be used to wake some people up to the truth. I doubt it will have any effect on you however. I have no doubt you are one of the koolaid drinkers who think Obama is doing a bang up job...

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ReconMarine

Okay, that was actually pretty funny. :innocent:

But I agree here. I couldn't watch a full episode of GHI. The first one I tried out I came in on the middle of and Barry, I guess is his name, was provoking a little girl spirit. Whether ghosts are real or not, that's just impolite. :[ So I didn't tune back in for another installment after that... It just didn't have a very professional vibe about it.

By the way Barry is the most seasoned and experienced investigator of ALL on both programs.....

And Jason, Grant, Steve, Chris, BRIAN have ALL used provoking on numerous occasions....

How was it "rude" for Barry but not the rest?

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Stormcrow

Loving the insults. <3 Keep 'em coming.

As for why it is rude in that particular instance for Barry to provoke, the subject was a child. I would say the same thing about anyone else who provoked a child spirit, but I don't recall any other instance where this has happened. If you can tell me any other time it has happened, I'll gladly react in the same way to them.

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ReconMarine

Loving the insults. <3 Keep 'em coming.

As for why it is rude in that particular instance for Barry to provoke, the subject was a child. I would say the same thing about anyone else who provoked a child spirit, but I don't recall any other instance where this has happened. If you can tell me any other time it has happened, I'll gladly react in the same way to them.

If you wached the program as you say, you would already know the numerous episodes in which provoking has been used.....

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Stormcrow

If you wached the program as you say, you would already know the numerous episodes in which provoking has been used.....

Nope. I've only watched the first and second seasons, maybe a few in the third. I'm just now getting back into it. What did I say about me watching the program? I know I didn't say, "I've watched ever' episode thar wuz," because I certainly have not. After the second season-third seasons (I don't know where I stopped tbh, they all sort of run together) it got incredibly boring for me. I've only ever seen all of the live episodes... I think. Lord knows.

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Wookietim

To contend that because the "setup" to the events in the program are created, means that the show itself is staged....is asinine. The events take place when and where they say, they take place as they say, the documentation conveys that fluidly.

To portend that the program is "acted" out is unfounded, and ONLY an idea conjured up inside of your less than developed intellect.

I don't care if you think my comments were rude, or harsh, or insulting, sometimes those are the only attributes that can be used to wake some people up to the truth. I doubt it will have any effect on you however. I have no doubt you are one of the koolaid drinkers who think Obama is doing a bang up job...

I do have to say a couple things here :

1. There are parts of the program that are staged - that much is beyond any doubt. Simply put, look at the camera angles in the scenes of Jason and Grant driving. Now ask yourself - how would TWO camera's (There are cutaways and closeups that mean that at least two cameras are used) be fit into a van's cab and set up not to shake... and not have at least those segments acted out rather than spontaneous? Further, the lighting in those situations is very obviously artificial - you try driving at night and still being able to record, in correctly placed lighting, people's faces for close-ups and long shots... Logically, there are parts of the show that are staged - and I think that we can agree on that (Even without getting into the obvious staging of the "Work" scenes).

2. I think we ought to avoid insults based on politics here. I voted for Obama, I think he is doing a decent job and I think it is ignorant and needlessly belligerent to attack based on politics. You are losing a lot of respect from me by doing so.

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Stormcrow

There are parts of the program that are staged - that much is beyond any doubt. Simply put, look at the camera angles in the scenes of Jason and Grant driving. Now ask yourself - how would TWO camera's (There are cutaways and closeups that mean that at least two cameras are used) be fit into a van's cab and set up not to shake... and not have at least those segments acted out rather than spontaneous? Further, the lighting in those situations is very obviously artificial - you try driving at night and still being able to record, in correctly placed lighting, people's faces for close-ups and long shots... Logically, there are parts of the show that are staged - and I think that we can agree on that (Even without getting into the obvious staging of the "Work" scenes).

I'm not entirely familiar with how the cameras the TV crew uses works, but I have a question about lighting during investigations. We were watching GH the other night and my step-dad made a comment about the shadows of the team members, how they were really outstanding, like someone was using a high-powered spotlight in front of them. Would the cameras themselves create that effect, or would you say there are actually spotlights in the room? Like I said, I don't know cameras.

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Wookietim

I'm not entirely familiar with how the cameras the TV crew uses works, but I have a question about lighting during investigations. We were watching GH the other night and my step-dad made a comment about the shadows of the team members, how they were really outstanding, like someone was using a high-powered spotlight in front of them. Would the cameras themselves create that effect, or would you say there are actually spotlights in the room? Like I said, I don't know cameras.

That I do not know - from what I understand there are low light type lights that can make that same type of shadows, but I am not knowledgeable in that area enough to know one way of the other...

As far as I know, the investigations may very well be real. I question their tactics during the investigation which leads me to question their conclusions. And I have seen suspicious things that I could explain away if I allow the concept of trickery to enter into the show. I am not saying that those things were faked - but I am saying that the possibility is there. And if the possibility is there then I have to discount the conclusions until that possibility can be removed.

Bottomline : I am not an expert on this so I can't say "It's all fake" or "It's all true". But I can look at it and say "There is enough questionable stuff here that I can't just accept it".

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ReconMarine

That I do not know - from what I understand there are low light type lights that can make that same type of shadows, but I am not knowledgeable in that area enough to know one way of the other...

As far as I know, the investigations may very well be real. I question their tactics during the investigation which leads me to question their conclusions. And I have seen suspicious things that I could explain away if I allow the concept of trickery to enter into the show. I am not saying that those things were faked - but I am saying that the possibility is there. And if the possibility is there then I have to discount the conclusions until that possibility can be removed.

Bottomline : I am not an expert on this so I can't say "It's all fake" or "It's all true". But I can look at it and say "There is enough questionable stuff here that I can't just accept it".

None of the cameras have lighting devices unless they switch them over, they are IR night lights. In the old days when they weighted about 40 pounds and were mounted to a rifle it was called "Starlight-Starbright" now they barely weight more than a few ounces. When they turn those lights off it is pitch black in many of the locations, that is why you see them popping the flash light off and on. To keep from running into things.

The only other light source is the LCD display of the hand held cameras.

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Wookietim

None of the cameras have lighting devices unless they switch them over, they are IR night lights. In the old days when they weighted about 40 pounds and were mounted to a rifle it was called "Starlight-Starbright" now they barely weight more than a few ounces. When they turn those lights off it is pitch black in many of the locations, that is why you see them popping the flash light off and on. To keep from running into things.

The only other light source is the LCD display of the hand held cameras.

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BeastieRunner

How does a topic about Ghost Hunters turn into Obama the socialist? Let's get back on topic please.

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Paranormalcy

That is enough from both of you. This is an informal warning to ReconMarine and Wookietim. I have removed a ridiculous number of posts that are better suited to PM's, or better, not said at all. Back on topic or find/make another post in a more suitable forum - and be CIVIL.

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Stormcrow

As far as I know, the investigations may very well be real. I question their tactics during the investigation which leads me to question their conclusions. And I have seen suspicious things that I could explain away if I allow the concept of trickery to enter into the show. I am not saying that those things were faked - but I am saying that the possibility is there. And if the possibility is there then I have to discount the conclusions until that possibility can be removed.

But I can look at it and say "There is enough questionable stuff here that I can't just accept it".

I don't really know what to think anymore, though I would like to believe that the investigations are real. Personally, I think it's fun to believe what they're doing is real, but I think the majority of the enjoyment gets ruined when you find discussions about the whole jacket tug incident--just as a popular example. I do trust GH's findings from the earlier seasons, no question about those from me, but it's the recent stuff I have to ask about.

Someone pointed out earlier, I don't remember who, that in the later seasons they're deeming more and more places haunted than ought to be. I haven't watched GH for about two-three seasons, but if the new season is any indication, I believe it. It's very un-TAPS-like to claim a location is "haunted" based on such insufficient evidence. Even calling Waverly Hills haunted was a stretch, because upon their return investigation they caught absolutely nothing (and that was a live episode). Personally, I think it's scraping the bottom of the barrel that's going to get them, not necessarily "faking" something.

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ReconMarine

I do have to say a couple things here :

1. There are parts of the program that are staged - that much is beyond any doubt. Simply put, look at the camera angles in the scenes of Jason and Grant driving. Now ask yourself - how would TWO camera's (There are cutaways and closeups that mean that at least two cameras are used) be fit into a van's cab and set up not to shake... and not have at least those segments acted out rather than spontaneous? Further, the lighting in those situations is very obviously artificial - you try driving at night and still being able to record, in correctly placed lighting, people's faces for close-ups and long shots... Logically, there are parts of the show that are staged - and I think that we can agree on that (Even without getting into the obvious staging of the "Work" scenes).

As I said......

The video in the vehicles is from dash mounted stedi cam video. There are suction mounts all over the dash of the vans, and when they drive by the rover van when they are on their way somewhere, you can see the camera mounts on the dash. The cams are also voice and motion activated too, to keep them as stationary as possible on the person speaking.

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ReconMarine

So tonights episodes......

The continuing saga of Brian, and the confrontation by Steve over "hiding" equipment, the origin of the dishonesty surfaces.

The light in the catacombes is still pretty cool to me as long as we can document that there were truy no other people inside the tunnels.

The new episode.....

I watched it twice and while there were some interesting moments.....it just wasn't "there", you know?

Isn't it funny how now a "creek" in the floor or a knock becomes such a magnificent "catch!"?

I was impressed by the "humming man".

I again want to examine what some of the others have mentioned before.... Why always at night? If the guests said they witnessed the children playing outside under the window in the garden....why not place a camera there for some daylight activity?

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ReconMarine

Sorry guys been sick with the flu for almost a month, have not really been feeling well enough to post.

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sinewave

Sorry guys been sick with the flu for almost a month, have not really been feeling well enough to post.

Happy Birthday USMC. Semper Fi

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Black Hound

Interesting to watch, not to take seriously. More comedy than suspenful. Jason calls the shots and Grant will back him up. the "Academy" last night was nothing short of laughable. What wwould one expect for the first show. I've been watching since about day one, not for education, but to see if the guys/gals don't mess up too bad each show, same for GHI, wwhich is more of a traveloge than anything ele.

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HerNibs

Ghost Hunters and the Buffalo Bill Museum...no. Oh, hell no. Wrong. Lies. Foolishness.

I can't blame the GH team but the museum being haunted? Since freaking when? I worked there in highschool. Sepnt a great many nights partying on Lookout Mountain. (Graduated from Golden High in 198X).

Now I'm convinced that it's become a tool for advertising. NOT saying that it's the GH team but I am saying that they must be running out of places to investigate.

No seismic activity? Seriously? Not huge earthquakes, but they are there. Felt them myself.

Golden-area historical earthquake activity is significantly below Colorado state average. It is 90% smaller than the overall U.S. average.

On 12/25/1994 at 19:06:07, a magnitude 4.0 (4.0 LG, Depth: 6.2 mi, Class: Light, Intensity: IV - V) earthquake occurred 38.1 miles away from Golden center

On 10/1/2005 at 05:57:03, a magnitude 3.9 (3.9 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi, Class: Light, Intensity: II - III) earthquake occurred 93.7 miles away from the city center

On 12/23/1995 at 06:51:48, a magnitude 3.6 (3.5 MB, 3.6 LG, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 71.9 miles away from the city center

On 1/18/1997 at 22:04:39, a magnitude 3.3 (3.3 MB, 2.8 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 45.1 miles away from Golden center

On 7/22/2001 at 19:22:45, a magnitude 3.1 (3.1 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 50.3 miles away from the city center

On 9/12/1990 at 21:38:57, a magnitude 3.0 (3.0 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 53.0 miles away from Golden center

Magnitude types: regional Lg-wave magnitude (LG), body-wave magnitude (MB), local magnitude (ML)

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Golden-Colorado.html#ixzz0WkVp3RSY

BB Museum isn't haunted, no rep of it growing up there either.

I really think that now "historical" places are trying to get on these shows strictly for advertising.

Sad.

Nibs

Ghost Hunters and the Buffalo Bill Museum...no. Oh, hell no. Wrong. Lies. Foolishness.

I can't blame the GH team but the museum being haunted? Since freaking when? I worked there in highschool. Sepnt a great many nights partying on Lookout Mountain. (Graduated from Golden High in 198X).

Now I'm convinced that it's become a tool for advertising. NOT saying that it's the GH team but I am saying that they must be running out of places to investigate.

No seismic activity? Seriously? Not huge earthquakes, but they are there. Felt them myself.

Golden-area historical earthquake activity is significantly below Colorado state average. It is 90% smaller than the overall U.S. average.

On 12/25/1994 at 19:06:07, a magnitude 4.0 (4.0 LG, Depth: 6.2 mi, Class: Light, Intensity: IV - V) earthquake occurred 38.1 miles away from Golden center

On 10/1/2005 at 05:57:03, a magnitude 3.9 (3.9 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi, Class: Light, Intensity: II - III) earthquake occurred 93.7 miles away from the city center

On 12/23/1995 at 06:51:48, a magnitude 3.6 (3.5 MB, 3.6 LG, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 71.9 miles away from the city center

On 1/18/1997 at 22:04:39, a magnitude 3.3 (3.3 MB, 2.8 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 45.1 miles away from Golden center

On 7/22/2001 at 19:22:45, a magnitude 3.1 (3.1 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 50.3 miles away from the city center

On 9/12/1990 at 21:38:57, a magnitude 3.0 (3.0 ML, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 53.0 miles away from Golden center

Magnitude types: regional Lg-wave magnitude (LG), body-wave magnitude (MB), local magnitude (ML)

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Golden-Colorado.html#ixzz0WkVp3RSY

BB Museum isn't haunted, no rep of it growing up there either.

I really think that now "historical" places are trying to get on these shows strictly for advertising.

Sad.

Nibs

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HerNibs

The Mother Cabrini Shrine is creepy. Probably because so many people dump the ashes of loved ones there (my mother in law's ashes are there).

Still, just creepy, not haunted.

Gah.

Nibs

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HerNibs

Oh, and what happened to research? Didn't they make Chris or someone go research the area's background?

Would have discovered the seismic activity and that those freaking steps are recent. They were falling apart. No wonder people have fallen.

If I remember correctly, they used to be steps with those nifty decorative stones inlaid. Slippery and NOT a flat surface...

Nibs

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sinewave

Ghost Hunters and the Buffalo Bill Museum...no. Oh, hell no. Wrong. Lies. Foolishness.

I can't blame the GH team but the museum being haunted? Since freaking when? I worked there in highschool. Sepnt a great many nights partying on Lookout Mountain. (Graduated from Golden High in 198X).

Now I'm convinced that it's become a tool for advertising. NOT saying that it's the GH team but I am saying that they must be running out of places to investigate.

No seismic activity? Seriously? Not huge earthquakes, but they are there. Felt them myself.

BB Museum isn't haunted, no rep of it growing up there either.

I really think that now "historical" places are trying to get on these shows strictly for advertising.

Sad.

Nibs

Right on all counts Nibs! It is ALL about marketing. BTW Isn't Golden the home of the USGS seismic monitoring center? I seem to remember that from my last visit the front range.

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HerNibs

Right on all counts Nibs! It is ALL about marketing. BTW Isn't Golden the home of the USGS seismic monitoring center? I seem to remember that from my last visit the front range.

Yup. It sure is. :)

GH could have sent some intern over to inquire about the earthquakes.

Nibs

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sinewave

Yup. It sure is. :)

GH could have sent some intern over to inquire about the earthquakes.

Nibs

So, it would have been easy for them to get the facts straight had they chosen to do so. This should make fans of the show wonder how many other facts were "missed" in other locations.

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