Down with America UP with a NEW AMERICA

[Lt_Ripley]

How did it come to be your country?

How is it "meant to be"?

Says who?

In the United States; the country I live in, there are processes, where everyone has a say in how things go...voting and such.

As for the OP Video. good grief. I am at a loss for words for how backward and misunderstood people can have things. It truly saddens me.

[The Silver Thong]

KRS1 you believe what you want my friend. I have read your post...you are a bitter..sarcastic..know it all that gets his rocks off attacking people for their views and calling names to make yourself something you are not. You...have no idea what you are talking about you just have a stone in your pants for this country and want someone to provide with something you don't want to pay for...exactly what is wrong with the country now and why your socialized medicine won't work. I pay for mine...I don't like it but I pay for it and I damn sure don't want to pay for yours. Anyone that thinks government can do it better here in the US has a problem understanding things or has been asleep for the past 40 years.

I educate myself every day...I listen...thats how you learn. You can't learn too much being a loud mouth with a putrid hate for everyone that does not agree with your view of how the country should be run.

best regards,

seax

Umm no he was saying you don't understand UHC and I have to agree with him, you don't.

UHC is not free plain and simple. As I posted 3 pages back UHC works just like insurance so to speak. My deductions from my paycheck every 2 weeks pays for mine. It's not alot really and it's just worked in to what you expect to be paid every 2 weeks. There is no real hardship or coming up short to pay it. It never changes the exact same amount is deducted off my check and well it's just normal. Nobody in my country whines about it as we all know sooner or later we will need some sort of care.

If you want fancy pants care of course you can pay extra and have a 42 inch tv brought to your room in a hospital but thats not the point. Plus why are people saying that it's free ? it not free and never will be so please don't cloud this with the word free.

Maybe in your opinion the U.S. government is incapable of dealing or managing a UHC system but that is to there discredit my friend and to you a dis-service. Fire them and put in a government that is capable of implementing a UHC system. Sheesh is the US government that messed up you don't trust it at all? if thats the case I suggest moving and leaving the US behind if your faith in it is so weak that helping all and not a select is more important.

[Lt_Ripley]

Ripley,

Have you read my post? I have never said there is not a problem...the solution is my problem with the health care. Maybe that's why there is so much turmoil in the country on what to do..nobody listens to alternatives...just step in line with the experts ...Obama..Pelosi...Frink...

best regards,

seax

yes.... those alternatives. that disappear when republicans are in office. Kinda like Bush's stance of No Nation building and no illegal wire taps right ?

Dems have been bringing up alternatives for years .. cons never like em. why ? because it means regulation and competition . Big Med and Drug would have to really compete with lower costs .

hey , maybe a doctor that makes you wait 45 minutes in a waiting room , another 30 in a exam room who finally sees you for 20 minutes before writing a script , passing you off to nurses shouldn't charge you 200 ( more or less) bucks who draw blood , collect urine and usher you out the door. How many will he see in a day ? 20 ? and his colleagues ? Remember that isn't charging for testing. Meds.

fyi .. an ex of mine is a physician ! an average one.

Edited September 6, 2009 by Lt_Ripley

[jordiver]

KRS1 you believe what you want my friend. I have read your post...you are a bitter..sarcastic..know it all that gets his rocks off attacking people for their views and calling names to make yourself something you are not. You...have no idea what you are talking about you just have a stone in your pants for this country and want someone to provide with something you don't want to pay for...exactly what is wrong with the country now and why your socialized medicine won't work. I pay for mine...I don't like it but I pay for it and I damn sure don't want to pay for yours. Anyone that thinks government can do it better here in the US has a problem understanding things or has been asleep for the past 40 years.

I educate myself every day...I listen...thats how you learn. You can't learn too much being a loud mouth with a putrid hate for everyone that does not agree with your view of how the country should be run.

best regards,

seax

and this is why USA is so far behind in basic rights, the idea of individuality wins to the collective.

with goverm health care you would pay less and have everything cheaper but hey, its your choice man! **** everyone else!!!

[seax]

Umm no he was saying you don't understand UHC and I have to agree with him, you don't.

UHC is not free plain and simple. As I posted 3 pages back UHC works just like insurance so to speak. My deductions from my paycheck every 2 weeks pays for mine. It's not alot really and it's just worked in to what you expect to be paid every 2 weeks. There is no real hardship or coming up short to pay it. It never changes the exact same amount is deducted off my check and well it's just normal. Nobody in my country whines about it as we all know sooner or later we will need some sort of care.

If you want fancy pants care of course you can pay extra and have a 42 inch tv brought to your room in a hospital but thats not the point. Plus why are people saying that it's free ? it not free and never will be so please don't cloud this with the word free.

Maybe in your opinion the U.S. government is incapable of dealing or managing a UHC system but that is to there discredit my friend and to you a dis-service. Fire them and put in a government that is capable of implementing a UHC system. Sheesh is the US government that messed up you don't trust it at all? if thats the case I suggest moving and leaving the US behind if your faith in it is so weak that helping all and not a select is more important.

Well...at least you are getting some of it Silver Thong. Have you read all 1000 pages of the plan?

seax

[seax]

and this is why USA is so far behind in basic rights, the idea of individuality wins to the collective.

with goverm health care you would pay less and have everything cheaper but hey, its your choice man! **** everyone else!!!

I guess all these people that want to come here are idiots. Is that what you are saying jordiver. Besides...what has that got to do with socialized medicine? Maybe you need to start a new thread...'Let's Bash America'...It would be more appropriate.

Tell you what...show me where it's cheaper and better...I'm listening.

seax

[The Silver Thong]

Well...at least you are getting some of it Silver Thong. Have you read all 1000 pages of the plan?

seax

I won't lie. No I have not read the entire plan. However I live in a western nation as many others do that have UHC and it works. You live in a nation that is behind the times. There maybe things in the bill or plan that need to be tweaked but no country that has adopted UHC has not suffered the growing pains. It's not perfect but it sure is better than what you got now.

[Lt_Ripley]

Well...at least you are getting some of it Silver Thong. Have you read all 1000 pages of the plan?

seax

obviously those who are against it haven't .

[conspiracybeliever]

Did you people actually finish watching that video? I couldn't. All this talk about UHC. People are afraid of it because it's what this country is all about. There may have been a time when people came to this country and worked hard or came up with a good idea, invented something, and got rich and rightly so by doing that. Maybe but I'm not sure. But if so it's not the case anymore. This country is all about the rich stealing from the poor. Creating these companies like the insurance companies and lying about what they are selling us, which in a lot of cases turns out to be nothing. We're just paying for nothing because in the end when you really need their services they find some reason not to give it to you. And then there is the government who does nothing about it because these big businesses are paying tax on money they stole from us so the government gets their share. And then there is us, the people, who willing go along with it because they pay us. It's our job. They've made us all criminals.

[seax]

yes.... those alternatives. that disappear when republicans are in office. Kinda like Bush's stance of No Nation building and no illegal wire taps right ?

Dems have been bringing up alternatives for years .. cons never like em. why ? because it means regulation and competition . Big Med and Drug would have to really compete with lower costs .

hey , maybe a doctor that makes you wait 45 minutes in a waiting room , another 30 in a exam room who finally sees you for 20 minutes before writing a script , passing you off to nurses shouldn't charge you 200 ( more or less) bucks who draw blood , collect urine and usher you out the door. How many will he see in a day ? 20 ? and his colleagues ? Remember that isn't charging for testing. Meds.

fyi .. an ex of mine is a physician ! an average one.

Ripley you can't hold a converation on anything without bringing politics in it...you forget...I've been here also..blow that smoke up somebody else's chimney...it ain't goin up mine.. the only alternative the Dems have introduced is a government take over. And...in all fairness the Republicans haven't done much either but I am man enough to put the blame on all of them...some are still drinking that partisan Kool-aid. I was raised to think for myself

I'm glad your 'x' was a doctor...but it still does not make you an expert or him for that matter.

best regards,

seax

[seax]

I won't lie. No I have not read the entire plan. However I live in a western nation as many others do that have UHC and it works. You live in a nation that is behind the times. There maybe things in the bill or plan that need to be tweaked but no country that has adopted UHC has not suffered the growing pains. It's not perfect but it sure is better than what you got now.

Then how can you possibly say it's better. Would you sign loan papers like that? Silver Thong one size don't fit all...I'm not trying to be horses____. Things are different in the US than they are in Canada and England and Australia. Canada has 32 million people...the US has 300 million people with an open border to the south. I'm sure you mean well...but you aren't going to have to pay for it we are.

I say this without any hateful intent. Just a fact.

best regards,

seax

[The Silver Thong]

Ripley you can't hold a converation on anything without bringing politics in it...you forget...I've been here also..blow that smoke up somebody else's chimney...it ain't goin up mine.. the only alternative the Dems have introduced is a government take over. And...in all fairness the Republicans haven't done much either but I am man enough to put the blame on all of them...some are still drinking that partisan Kool-aid. I was raised to think for myself

I'm glad your 'x' was a doctor...but it still does not make you an expert or him for that matter.

best regards,

seax

WTF this is about politics dude. Blowing smoke LOL both parties have had the issue of UHC on the table, it's not a left or right discussion. It's about health care for everyone and that issue has no sides. People are mad about Obama for what ever reasons you want to think however he is under attack for doing something no other politician had the balls to do and that is implementing a UHC system. Sheesh I would have thought people in the U.S. would love this. I guess I was wrong about the U.S. and it caring ways LOL now that was a joke

[Roy Perry]

God first

hi Mattshark and questionmark and Cadetak and preacherman76

Mattshark -- I watch CNN news too

questionmark -- It did not take long to figure out you told me that you live in Spain not the US and I nothing against getting it right but I do see that is close yet my government is not your government and they need to take slow

Cadetak -- this is not to me

preacherman76 -

Very true. A Godless people couldnt even consceive how Christ would have us live. Its to bad really. Love, peace, brotherhood. Oh well, maybe one day we can be as "evolved" as he was

you made it about spirit which is Christ but it a flesh matter

love Roy

[The Silver Thong]

Then how can you possibly say it's better. Would you sign loan papers like that? Silver Thong one size don't fit all...I'm not trying to be horses____. Things are different in the US than they are in Canada and England and Australia. Canada has 32 million people...the US has 300 million people with an open border to the south. I'm sure you mean well...but you aren't going to have to pay for it we are.

I say this without any hateful intent. Just a fact.

best regards,

seax

Ok for one, you guys have to take care of your southern border and the illegals. That is pretty clear take care of that and UHC becomes a non issue, adopt it.

Canada has about 32 million yes but population doesn't matter. The U.S. with over 300 million should make no difference as math isn't a new concept, more people more money right. If Canada can do it i sure hope the U.S. could do it. Your talking math and i'm talking health. Oh and no it is not free but it's like having a small reduction on your pay cheque like a retirement fund. It's not that much when people, all people put into the pot.

[Roy Perry]

God first

hi seax and The Silver Thong

seax -- i love this statement "I am man enough to put the blame on all of them."

The Silver Thong -- health care is just part it they over 1,000 pages to in a T.* horse

love Roy

[questionmark]

questionmark -- It did not take long to figure out you told me that you live in Spain not the US and I nothing against getting it right but I do see that is close yet my government is not your government and they need to take slow

love Roy

Sounds like you...well, there was enough information on this site for you to know that I am neither Spanish (I don't even live there) nor Greek (though I live in Greece).

But facts about me do not have to interest you to have an opinion about me (just as with the rest of opinions).

Guess what, even though I am here I have to file taxes with the IRS.

[seax]

WTF this is about politics dude. Blowing smoke LOL both parties have had the issue of UHC on the table, it's not a left or right discussion. It's about health care for everyone and that issue has no sides. People are mad about Obama for what ever reasons you want to think however he is under attack for doing something no other politician had the balls to do and that is implementing a UHC system. Sheesh I would have thought people in the U.S. would love this. I guess I was wrong about the U.S. and it caring ways LOL now that was a joke

I think you will find you are wrong about a lot of things Silver Thong...welcome to the world. You don't think politics has a lot to do with this issue here? Then there's no need in you and I talking about UHC. It should'nt but it does. People here in the US are taxed out the ying yang for fruitless programs under a depression with no jobs and are getting tired of it. You still don't get it...a government take over is not the solution. But again...it's not your problem...it's ours. Why should you care?

best regards,

seax

[seax]

God first

hi seax and The Silver Thong

seax -- i love this statement "I am man enough to put the blame on all of them."

The Silver Thong -- health care is just part it they over 1,000 pages to in a T.* horse

love Roy

Thanks Roy Perry,

it's good to hear from someone that is civil and objective.

best regards,

seax

[questionmark]

I think you will find you are wrong about a lot of things Silver Thong...welcome to the world. You don't think politics has a lot to do with this issue here? Then there's no need in you and I talking about UHC. It should'nt but it does. People here in the US are taxed out the ying yang for fruitless programs under a depression with no jobs and are getting tired of it. You still don't get it...a government take over is not the solution. But again...it's not your problem...it's ours. Why should you care?

best regards,

seax

Around here you will have to deal with the opinion of everybody, irrespective of nationality, origin race or creed... you don't have to like it and...mostly, those abroad (even Americans who plan to stay abroad for the rest of their days), could not really care less, but to the contrary of many Americans( living in the good ole US of A) posting here they seem to have a more informed opinion.

But as I see, the discussion for some is not about information... only about opinion.

Edited September 6, 2009 by questionmark

[seax]

Ok for one, you guys have to take care of your southern border and the illegals. That is pretty clear take care of that and UHC becomes a non issue, adopt it.

Canada has about 32 million yes but population doesn't matter. The U.S. with over 300 million should make no difference as math isn't a new concept, more people more money right. If Canada can do it i sure hope the U.S. could do it. Your talking math and i'm talking health. Oh and no it is not free but it's like having a small reduction on your pay cheque like a retirement fund. It's not that much when people, all people put into the pot.

You're talking from the heart...that doesn't pay the bills. You don't think math matters...Ok...seems a lot of folks are throwing out numbers to make their point here. Less jobs in the US with a growing strain on government programs...meaning...more money needed...maybe Canada will lend it to us. Let us fix you up some loan papers and you sign them..you know about a 1000 pages will cover it. Just sign on to it... everything will fall in place because we're talking health.

As for the southern border well... I heard Steve Martin tell one time how to become a millionaire...he said the first thing to do is get a million dollars.. kinda our dilema here...the president you said that has big balls isn't willing to put them on the block for closing the border, why...because his party wants the socialist vote coming up from Mexico and other countries.

I live here Silver Thong...you read about it.

best regards,

seax

best regards,

seax

[Lt_Ripley]

Ripley you can't hold a converation on anything without bringing politics in it...you forget...I've been here also..blow that smoke up somebody else's chimney...it ain't goin up mine.. the only alternative the Dems have introduced is a government take over. And...in all fairness the Republicans haven't done much either but I am man enough to put the blame on all of them...some are still drinking that partisan Kool-aid. I was raised to think for myself

I'm glad your 'x' was a doctor...but it still does not make you an expert or him for that matter.

best regards,

seax

??? if this isn't about politics what is it about ? Dems have been trying to bring up health care for years and cons keep slamming it. try reading some recent history !! it isn't classified !

and my having an ex in the field , and friends who are ( including my mom for 22 years ) , unless your a doctor yourself gives me quite a lot of insight.

Republicans didn't like it when Nixon brought it up ... when Clinton brought it up and not now.

Even here Micheal Steele sends conflicting statements on the cost of health care.

Republicans Send Conflicting Messages On Health Care Costs

My link

[acidhead]

??? if this isn't about politics what is it about ? Dems have been trying to bring up health care for years and cons keep slamming it. try reading some recent history !! it isn't classified !

and my having an ex in the field , and friends who are ( including my mom for 22 years ) , unless your a doctor yourself gives me quite a lot of insight.

Republicans didn't like it when Nixon brought it up ... when Clinton brought it up and not now.

Even here Micheal Steele sends conflicting statements on the cost of health care.

Republicans Send Conflicting Messages On Health Care Costs

My link

Just curious....

What is the difference between a republican and a democrat Ripley?

[questionmark]

Just curious....

What is the difference between a republican and a democrat Ripley?

Depends on who has the majority at the time.... but there are less bigots in the Democratic party...

[seax]

Around here you will have to deal with the opinion of everybody, irrespective of nationality, origin race or creed... you don't have to like it and...mostly, those abroad (even Americans who plan to stay abroad for the rest of their days), could not really care less, but to the contrary of many Americans( living in the good ole US of A) posting here they seem to have a more informed opinion.

But as I see, the discussion for some is not about information... only about opinion.

Hello Questionmark,

I have no problem with a civil discussion and other people's opinions. I have 'learned' listening to others on this site and other's before. I do have a problem with rude...uninformed ...know it alls that base their opinions on their hate for other people..opinions..and 'let's get even' mentality. I have no problem with ones' thoughts...I do however have a problem with name calling and sarcastic commentary, something I don't listen to too much of because I don't have to do it.

You are right questionmark and I appreciate your post.

best regards,

seax

[Lt_Ripley]

Just curious....

What is the difference between a republican and a democrat Ripley?

I think alot of it can be best said in this ....

"A Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican"

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, "We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".

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