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A new study has found that terminally ill patients experience a surge in brain activity moments before death, a find that may constitute physiological evidence of near-death "out of body" experiences.

"A study of seven terminally ill patients found identical surges in brain activity moments before death, providing what may be physiological evidence of "out of body" experiences reported by people who survive near-death ordeals."

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Or it may be evidence of something completely different.

Like what? Did you read the article?

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Like what? Did you read the article?

What is your point? I read it and they did not back up what they said with scientific fact. Which means it could possibly be a sign of something else. Also add the fact that certain equations etc could be wrong anyway then if they did use science to explain this then it could still be wrong. People seem to forget that science is not always 100% accurate. It is just a way for us to problem solve. If one error is made then it can change thousands of things.

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A surge in electrical activity is by no means proof of anything. There are too many very accurate accounts of OBE's and validating NDE's to write it off with this half-baked theory.

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A surge in electrical activity is by no means proof of anything. There are too many very accurate accounts of OBE's and validating NDE's to write it off with this half-baked theory.

Who's writing anything off? The article quite clearly states this this could be physiological evidence of what people experience as OBE's or NDE's.

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Who's writing anything off? The article quite clearly states this this could be physiological evidence of what people experience as OBE's or NDE's.

Exactly, it is just showing it most likely physical rather than actually leaving your body, it is an explanation.

And Pea, all OBE's have as reasoning is conjecture and this is not a theory, but a tested hypothesis there is an enormous difference.

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I think as we advance via science we'll know . until then this is a very solid lead that what is experienced is physical in nature.

which is sure to bring up alot of fear in those who want to believe there is something more.

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A surge in electrical activity is by no means proof of anything. There are too many very accurate accounts of OBE's and validating NDE's to write it off with this half-baked theory.

You sir, don't understand how science works.

In Science, the ONLY ideas that are worth anything whatsoever are hypotheses. In other words, unless you can propose a natural, explained mechanism, your idea counts for naught.

This is common sense.

For example, a good hypothesis is:

A. A surge in brain activity drastically affects the consciousness of the host.

A BAD hypothesis is:

A. LOL GOD

B. LOL SOUL

C. LOL SPIRITUAL

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You sir, don't understand how science works.

In Science, the ONLY ideas that are worth anything whatsoever are hypotheses. In other words, unless you can propose a natural, explained mechanism, your idea counts for naught.

This is common sense.

For example, a good hypothesis is:

A. A surge in brain activity drastically affects the consciousness of the host.

A BAD hypothesis is:

A. LOL GOD

B. LOL SOUL

C. LOL SPIRITUAL

:lol: *gigglesnort*

Well thanks, SQL, you practically made me spray water everywhere with that.

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You sir, don't understand how science works.

In Science, the ONLY ideas that are worth anything whatsoever are hypotheses. In other words, unless you can propose a natural, explained mechanism, your idea counts for naught.

This is common sense.

For example, a good hypothesis is:

A. A surge in brain activity drastically affects the consciousness of the host.

A BAD hypothesis is:

A. LOL GOD

B. LOL SOUL

C. LOL SPIRITUAL

Well said. Let me play devil's advocate though... who gets to define "natural"? There may be more that fits into the catagory of what we call "natural" than we think. Everything that is, is natural, so any phenomena(Even those we wouldn't call "natural") would be within the realm of nature if proven to exist. Perhaps one day we will find out that a specific phenomena we once called "spiritual" actually has some scientific relevance and can be catagorized as natural from then on forth.

EDIT: Also, if we are to trust that people are telling the truth when they claim to have OBEs and actually take the phenomena as if it exists, doesn't that sort of obligate us to consider these stories of so called "documented" cases of people recalling their OBE and describing the scenery and objects around them, which is later verified by the people in the area at the time? If so, how does a surge of brain activity explain that? The only option left is that the stories are all lies. Which I won't deny the possibility.

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("You sir, don't understand how science works.")

how many scientist does it take to change a lightbulb?

did yall know that before an lightbulb *burns out- it gets really bright? like a surge..

(edited for sober content. POP!- oops, gotta change my light now...) :ph34r:

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People will believe what they want to believe. No matter how much evidence scientists could amass that indicates an OBE is a result of physiological changes,many of the people who want to believe otherwise will refuse to change their mind.

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Don't the kidney's shut down right before death? There's probably a change in the body's chemistry.

What causes death in that case is toxic blood.

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People will believe what they want to believe. No matter how much evidence scientists could amass that indicates an OBE is a result of physiological changes,many of the people who want to believe otherwise will refuse to change their mind.

I am not convinced that OBEs are anymore the result of physiological changes as they are of psychological changes. And psychological changes are the quickest noticeable.

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