Ikki Posted December 1, 2009 #326 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Well lightly, that's what Edgar Cayce said as well. That spiritual beings became trapped in the dense atmosphere of earth. Well, that does explain the density of some of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemagegod Posted December 1, 2009 Author #327 Share Posted December 1, 2009 One of the more likely places would be around the Azores Islands. The Azores are a group of islands belonging to Portugal located about 900 miles (1500 km) west of the Portugese coast. Some people believe the islands are the mountain tops of the sunken continent of Atlantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted December 2, 2009 #328 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) yup Qoais & Exactly ! Abramelin. the earth is very old.. and kinetic... wow i'm surprised! ..usually i get yelled at for thinking such things ... most religions believe something similar tho ? .. that a spiritual being ,spirituality ,awareness, existed prior to physical creation?... But the popular concept in these 'new fangled' religions seems to be that THE spiritual being is a SEPARATE entity. My spiritual BEING just happens to not be a 'Separate' being but includes everything and everyone from everlasting to everlasting . . . . like older (Hinduism) and more 'primitive' religions tend to believe?... thanks for not yellin at me .. I'll go look for Atlantis now to get back on topic. Edited December 2, 2009 by lightlyy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted December 2, 2009 #329 Share Posted December 2, 2009 One of the more likely places would be around the Azores Islands. The Azores are a group of islands belonging to Portugal located about 900 miles (1500 km) west of the Portugese coast. Some people believe the islands are the mountain tops of the sunken continent of Atlantis. Actually that's one of the least likely, particularly as there is no evidence meeting the criteria of Plato's account that would indicate the Azores, or parts thereof, was Atlantis. Add to that, that a discussion I had a year ago with members of N.O.A.A. (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) concerning core samples taken from various locations in and around the Azores, ruled out that possibility completely. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 2, 2009 #330 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Anyone know if the Atlantic ocean is named after the God Atlas? .. or Plato and Homer's Atlantes ? That's a bloody good question actually and I reckon you might have something there...we all just assume it is named after Atlas as someone answered you with that obvious answer which I have never been quite right with... See, Herodotus writes before Plato, in 450BC...the Atlantis Sea in reference to the Atlantic Ocean...why would he not call it the Atlas Sea...but no, he calls it the Atlantis Sea which sure sounds like the Atlantes Sea to me! I like this thought, very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 2, 2009 #331 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) Edit....I changed my mind in replying to cormac, sorry, don't even wanna go there. Edited December 2, 2009 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted December 2, 2009 #332 Share Posted December 2, 2009 See, Herodotus writes before Plato, in 450BC...the Atlantis Sea in reference to the Atlantic Ocean...why would he not call it the Atlas Sea...but no, he calls it the Atlantis Sea which sure sounds like the Atlantes Sea to me! I like this thought, very good. As I've said before, "Atlantis" means "of Atlas." So does "Atlantic," by the way. So when his words were translated into English, they became the "Atlantis Sea" which means, literally, the "Sea of Atlas." Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 2, 2009 #333 Share Posted December 2, 2009 As I've said before, "Atlantis" means "of Atlas." So does "Atlantic," by the way. So when his words were translated into English, they became the "Atlantis Sea" which means, literally, the "Sea of Atlas." Harte Yep, my bad...I'll go with that. It's 3.58am, that's my excuse.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 2, 2009 #334 Share Posted December 2, 2009 By the way Harte, I also agree with you that it didn't exist as an actual landmass. Not in reality anyway but it's way more than a political allegory, more like an Atlantis Bible with the Armageddon bit included. Bed is calling, night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 2, 2009 #335 Share Posted December 2, 2009 yup Qoais & Exactly ! Abramelin. the earth is very old.. and kinetic... wow i'm surprised! ..usually i get yelled at for thinking such things ... most religions believe something similar tho ? .. that a spiritual being ,spirituality ,awareness, existed prior to physical creation?... But the popular concept in these 'new fangled' religions seems to be that THE spiritual being is a SEPARATE entity. My spiritual BEING just happens to not be a 'Separate' being but includes everything and everyone from everlasting to everlasting . . . . like older (Hinduism) and more 'primitive' religions tend to believe?... thanks for not yellin at me .. I'll go look for Atlantis now to get back on topic. You will never be yelled at for believing something, only when you try to prove it's the one and only truth and ignoring what other people dig up to prove it's ridiculous. We all have our beliefs, even the skeptics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted December 2, 2009 #336 Share Posted December 2, 2009 By the way Harte, I also agree with you that it didn't exist as an actual landmass. Not in reality anyway but it's way more than a political allegory, more like an Atlantis Bible with the Armageddon bit included. Bed is calling, night. Congratulations, Puzz. You've come a long way. Along the way you learned a great deal about Greek Mythology - either that or you knew it already, right? Of course, thinking people can disagree on the meaning of this or that fictional work. Happens all the time. If it didn't, then people like Jaylemurph probably wouldn't have a job. Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 2, 2009 #337 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hi Puzzler - glad to see you're still popping in once in a while! Personally, after two and a half years of searching, I have come to the conclusion that Plato's story is much more simplistic than it's given credit for. I say this after, like you, studying all hours of the night, trying to make links to obscure information, trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together. I really don't think all that was necessary. I think it's as simple as Plato maybe having read Solon's notes, learned of peoples and places he'd never heard of before and found it all very intriguing. It seems to me that the word Atlantis or Atlantean has come from the Egyptians as it was told to Solon as well as Herodotus. Siculus writes about the Atlanteans, but he admits he is copying an older work (which is good). So - Plato likes the name - Atlanteans - it has meaning for him - being "of Atlas" which is one of his own gods, and yet it is unique and mysterious. No doubt the Egyptians told Solon about the peoples that were their neighbors in the West, South and East, and there was likely some fabulous tales regarding all these people. It is my opinion, that Plato took some inspiration from Solon's notes, and used his own ideas of perfection for a city state as well, and created a story for entertainment. Very simply, he concocted a wondrous story in honor of the goddess whose birthday they were celebrating, and there is no need to try to figure out when the first trireme was built (NOT 9,000 years before Solon), no need to check with the scientific authorities to see if a land mass in the middle of the Atlantic had ever sunk, no need to study the myths to see which country believed in what god at what time. The man was asked to tell a story. He did so. He could even have said, like we do today "based on a true story", because it was for the most part. He may have based the war story part on a war told in the Egyptian histories, or a war he heard about from sailors or a war in his own country's history, but it was not a war that took place 9,000 before Solon, as there was no one who had an organized army back that far, just as there were no Triremes back that far. There were however, Atlanteans living at the base of the Atlas mountains and here is a line from Donnelly's book Atlantis: The Antediluvian World where he says the late George Isaac Bryant gave interesting suggestions as to the kingdoms of the 10 sons of Poseidon: 1) King - Atlas Kingdom - Mauritania i.e. N.W. Africa Capital City- Cerne It would appear that the name Atlas was more a title of kingship, like Caesar, than a personal name. Only in this way can various deeds credited to him be explained. Mauritania, with it's legendary capital city of Cerne, was already known as such in the earliest times and in Atlantean times, it would have had the lake Tritonis between it and Egypt. I've said before that Atlantis - or the inspiration for Plato's story - WAS at the base of the Atlas mountains about where Tunis is today. Here's a little map of what I drew that could have been the territory held by the Atlanteans spoken of by Siculus. Then, to continue in Atlantis: The Antediluvian World, George Isaac Bryant goes on to give what he thought were the kingdoms of the brothers of Atlas. http://books.google.ca/books?id=r9Tbuy7TxN4C&dq=Atlantis&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=LWI1SojBb_&sig=DMQwehAz8X9lO7vdPT0bGcp9KGw&hl=en&ei=yKcVS6_3BZGQsgPEhon4Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CC8Q6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=&f=true He has placed some of the kingdoms around the Med. Gadieros - Iberia: Ampheres - Ys (Brittany): Evaemon - Lyonesse & Avalon (capitol city - Bath): Elassipos - Lusitania - Capitol city - Lisbon. If these kingdoms are correct, then it would seem that the descendants of Poseidon did indeed have control of the western end of the Med. I doubt they were all called Atlanteans however, as likely only the line of Atlas were so called. Related, yes, but probably a different name. BUT - for Plato's story, suffice it to call the peoples as a total - Atlanteans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 2, 2009 #338 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Here is a post I made back in May, 2007. It was - for me - just more information about the area, and how it's possible that Plato was just using these people for his story. I've been trying to check up a bit on the Amazons, because I've still got that bouncing time-line in my head, and it may just be that if I go with the assumption that the peoples in the Eastern Med., considered the Amazons and Atlanteans as being at the western edge of the world at some point in time, it will help place things in their proper location. When you think about it, the Atlas mountains kind of kept people hemmed in on the eastern land side, and the desert kept them hemmed in to the south. People on the Morocco side either had to trek the mountains or go by boat. Ok - so folks say that it is mentioned in history that the Amazons had something to do with Lake Tritonis (Tritonis marsh according to Diodorus) Here's an article I found regarding this: Chott Djerid - the legendary Lake Tritonis Ancient geography: The ancient knowledge of geography has been handed down to us by Claudios Ptolemaios (2nd century AD). According to him the lake Tritonis name Palus Tritonis is the third of a row of lakes (Palus Pallas, Palus Libya), which are connected with a river Triton. This river empties into the Mediterranean Sea some miles north of Tacapae. Tacapae is indentical with the today's city Gabes. Consequently, the lake Tritonis must be in this salt lake basin which stretches from the Mediterranean Sea at Gabes to the west. We know that still in antiquity the climate in this region was much moister, thus there was much more water, so we have to assume that they were real lakes. Today the salt lakes only fill with water after much rain mostly in winter. According to Ptolemaios the Tritonis was the third lake. Today we distinguish the salt lakes Chott Fedjadj, the large Chott Djerid and then the Chott el Rharsa (also: el Gharsa). Due to this the hott el Rharsa must be the lake Tritonis. Actually, there is an unambiguous hint. According to Ptolemaios next to the lake Tritonis there is a place named Thusuros, which is undoubtedly identical the the today's city Tozeru. This town is situated at the Chott Djerid. Thus it is clear, which was always certain in antiquity - that the Chott Djerid is identical with the legendary lake Tritonis. The detail that the Tritonis was the third lake can easily be explained that in the moister period the extended Chott Fedjadj was divided into two basins. Even today there is a special name for the western part of the Chott Fedjadj - Chott Faraoun. Presumable position of the island Hespera respectively Phla: Between the salt lake basins of Chott Djerid and Chott el Rharsa there protrudes an extensive elevation from the surrounding landscape. It stretches from Nefta in the west across Tozeur, the main place, to El Hamma du Djerid in the northeast and Degache in the southeast. At Degache there starts the wide basin of the Chott Djerid, at El Hamma the landscape drops into the hott el Rharsa basin. In fact, this special region is enclosed to the east by a mountain chain named Cherb, to the south and north by the salt lake basins, and in the west at Nefta it ends in the desert. The unity of the region gives the impression of an island. Actually, this landscape is the only inhabited area for many miles around. Therefore the identification of this secluded region with the island Herspera or Phla seems plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 2, 2009 #339 Share Posted December 2, 2009 This is a topographical map I copied from Georgeos Montexano's web site. I copied it because I was intrigued with the circular depression that shows up right at the eastern end of the Atlas mountains. Not saying it's what actually happened, but it seems to me that there could have been a city at the eastern extremity of that circle where it just touches the water of the Med. If there was and it sunk, it could have left shoals of mud in the way, especially if the city happened to be in a river delta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules99 Posted December 2, 2009 #340 Share Posted December 2, 2009 If you tentatively allow that it might have occured 9000 before Solon wouldnt the continents look a lot different due to sea level rises? Sea levels have risen about 75m (225ft) and Ive been looking for a map reconstructing how the continents would have looked back then. Looking at the world with current sea levels shown isnt much help. I mean england and ireland were joined together for a start and I believe there was a landbridge to europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 2, 2009 #341 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) This is a topographical map I copied from Georgeos Montexano's web site. I copied it because I was intrigued with the circular depression that shows up right at the eastern end of the Atlas mountains. Not saying it's what actually happened, but it seems to me that there could have been a city at the eastern extremity of that circle where it just touches the water of the Med. If there was and it sunk, it could have left shoals of mud in the way, especially if the city happened to be in a river delta. Hey Q!! Yep, I still like to check in...you're right, it's so much more simple than it appears. In my Sahara topic I covered the Chott extensively after I followed my map and Herodotus description of the area, I agree that Lake Tritonis was there, Jason sailed into them at Gabes...and the whole risen area of the Atlas mountains is a possible area for it to have been located by Plato and imo he has placed it exactly where one would place a culture of the kind he describes according to all manner of myth and legend..Greek myth is firmly entrenched in having Hera come from the Atlantic area, why is it called The Sea of Atlas (Atlantis Sea)....the legend of Atlas being from the area was already firm...his daughters lived there...it was only logical to expand on it some more...Plato isn't sticking Atlas there willy-nilly, myth has him being there and the area is named after him prior to Plato writing it so yeah....logical choice to stick a culture that came in became hugely powerful, it is only recent genetics that has shown Cretans and even the Pelasgians did not come from Africa, assumed to be so for thousands of years...it is prevalent in the myths though, even back to Jason having reached this area....that was the mind set, they came from Northern West Africa and beyond. Later on Virgil reminds one that Hera's favourite city is Carthage and her wrath on Aeneas is all based on the Trojans who by then were Romans coming back to destroy Carthage...because Hera and co came from the area...unless Hera was a Phoenician..which I have never heard of, it is her homeland. The place she grew her precious apples tended to by none other than Atlas daughters. True story, to Plato it was mocking the 'poets',and also the general population for believing the myths were real.. he mentions this...how the Greeks think myth is real so he has made it real in a story that would fit easily into their minds because the basics of it were already established myth. Has been a wonderful journey and none of it a waste of time...but I am a weary traveller now and my journey is at an end too now, I believe I understand it as best as I ever will and can pretty much make full sense of it using the above logic, seen as reality by the ancients. Might write it all down one day. Edited December 2, 2009 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 2, 2009 #342 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) If you tentatively allow that it might have occured 9000 before Solon wouldnt the continents look a lot different due to sea level rises? Sea levels have risen about 75m (225ft) and Ive been looking for a map reconstructing how the continents would have looked back then. Looking at the world with current sea levels shown isnt much help. I mean england and ireland were joined together for a start and I believe there was a landbridge to europe. I hear ya...but..it is virtually impossible to place it in that time frame. I really doubt Plato has knowledge from 9,000 BC. Plato mentions in the Laws Bk 3 how tradition has them conditioned... http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/laws.3.iii.html Cleinias. What do you mean? Ath. I mean that he might watch them from the point of view of time, and observe the changes which take place in them during infinite ages. Cle. How so? Ath. Why, do you think that you can reckon the time which has elapsed since cities first existed and men were citizens of them? Cle. Hardly. Ath. But are sure that it must be vast and incalculable? Cle. Certainly. Ath. And have not thousands and thousands of cities come into being during this period and as many perished? And has not each of them had every form of government many times over, now growing larger, now smaller, and again improving or declining? Cle. To be sure. Ath. Let us endeavour to ascertain the cause of these changes; for that will probably explain the first origin and development of forms of government. Cle. Very good. You shall endeavour to impart your thoughts to us, and we will make an effort to understand you. Ath. Do you believe that there is any truth in ancient traditions? Cle. What traditions? Ath. The traditions about the many destructions of mankind which have been occasioned by deluges and pestilences, and in many other ways, and of the survival of a remnant? Cle. Every one is disposed to believe them. Ath. Let us consider one of them, that which was caused by the famous deluge. Cle. What are we to observe about it? Ath. I mean to say that those who then escaped would only be hill shepherds-small sparks of the human race preserved on the tops of mountains. Cle. Clearly. Ath. Such survivors would necessarily be unacquainted with the arts and the various devices which are suggested to the dwellers in cities by interest or ambition, and with all the wrongs which they contrive against one another. Cle. Very true. Ath. Let us suppose, then, that the cities in the plain and on the sea-coast were utterly destroyed at that time. Cle. Very good. Ath. Would not all implements have then perished and every other excellent invention of political or any other sort of wisdom have utterly disappeared? Edited December 2, 2009 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 2, 2009 #343 Share Posted December 2, 2009 When all is said and done there is one logical point I cannot get past..that Aristotle said it did not exist in reality and that Plato created it just so he could sink it...and another quote from him..."Plato is dear to me but dearer still is truth". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 3, 2009 #344 Share Posted December 3, 2009 If you tentatively allow that it might have occured 9000 before Solon wouldnt the continents look a lot different due to sea level rises? Sea levels have risen about 75m (225ft) and Ive been looking for a map reconstructing how the continents would have looked back then. Looking at the world with current sea levels shown isnt much help. I mean england and ireland were joined together for a start and I believe there was a landbridge to europe. It doesn't matter if you tentatively allow for different sea levels. You basically only have to allow what Plato said. I never understood that, when Georges Montexano kept trying to drive it into my head, but I get it now. It's very simple. You CANNOT fit all that Plato says, into the timeline that Plato gives, unless you change what Plato said, and then it's not Plato's story anymore. I've said before that it's strange to me that there's so much detail regarding Atlantis - an enemy of Athens - more detail than about Athens in fact - a story supposedly about the incredible feat performed by the Athenians - winning the war. And yet no mention of who the great leaders and heroes of this war were. No mention of where the war took place. Yes, he tells how the people contributed to the army, but what army? History shows there wasn't one back then - nowhere. People were not that organized at the time Plato puts the story - they were still mostly hunter/gatherers and farmers. Some settlements of course, but nothing resembling an organized army. Puzzler is right. We see it in this forum all the time. People are disposed to believe what they've been taught, instead of thinking for themselves. The Greeks believed the myths and Plato worked on that belief, himself being a great thinker and also being ticked with the aristocracy for not realizing the folly of their ways. The man took inspiration where he found it and built a magnificent place in history for himself with the resulting story. I don't think there's too many other men or women, whose legacy was as memorable as his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 3, 2009 #345 Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) Puzzler - I don't think Plato created it "just so he could sink it". I think that was the plot all along. That's the climax of the story. The sinking. He had everyone on the edge of their seats, and then he basically, tore their seats right out from under them!!! There was no Atlantis and there was no Athenian soldiers either left to gloat about their victory. Basically, there was nothing left, but what was there before he started the story. Because there was no Atlantis and there was no army and there was no war. It was just a story. P.S. Had anyone told me when I was young that I would someday say Atlantis was make believe, I would never have believed them. I wouldn't even have believed it two years ago!! Edited December 3, 2009 by Qoais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 3, 2009 #346 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Puzzler - I don't think Plato created it "just so he could sink it". I think that was the plot all along. That's the climax of the story. The sinking. He had everyone on the edge of their seats, and then he basically, tore their seats right out from under them!!! There was no Atlantis and there was no Athenian soldiers either left to gloat about their victory. Basically, there was nothing left, but what was there before he started the story. Because there was no Atlantis and there was no army and there was no war. It was just a story. P.S. Had anyone told me when I was young that I would someday say Atlantis was make believe, I would never have believed them. I wouldn't even have believed it two years ago!! Me neither mate but after all this research it is my conclusion now and I really tried, wanted it to be but it just can't be...but to the ancients it could have been a true story...as seen through their eyes, that's when it clicked. Always found it interesting that I saw Alexander the Great as answering the call of what Plato wanted from it, like he got it....then I find Alexander was educated by Aristotle...well, he did get it, obviously from the horse's (friends) mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 3, 2009 #347 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Congratulations, Puzz. You've come a long way. Along the way you learned a great deal about Greek Mythology - either that or you knew it already, right? Of course, thinking people can disagree on the meaning of this or that fictional work. Happens all the time. If it didn't, then people like Jaylemurph probably wouldn't have a job. Harte I learnt way more than Greek mythology, which now there is probably nothing about it Idon't know, if I thought I knew it before, I didn't but now I can confidently say, I do... Yep, I'm one of those people that would rather think than die... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules99 Posted December 3, 2009 #348 Share Posted December 3, 2009 It doesn't matter if you tentatively allow for different sea levels. You basically only have to allow what Plato said. I never understood that, when Georges Montexano kept trying to drive it into my head, but I get it now. It's very simple. You CANNOT fit all that Plato says, into the timeline that Plato gives, unless you change what Plato said, and then it's not Plato's story anymore. I've said before that it's strange to me that there's so much detail regarding Atlantis - an enemy of Athens - more detail than about Athens in fact - a story supposedly about the incredible feat performed by the Athenians - winning the war. And yet no mention of who the great leaders and heroes of this war were. No mention of where the war took place. Yes, he tells how the people contributed to the army, but what army? History shows there wasn't one back then - nowhere. People were not that organized at the time Plato puts the story - they were still mostly hunter/gatherers and farmers. Some settlements of course, but nothing resembling an organized army. Puzzler is right. We see it in this forum all the time. People are disposed to believe what they've been taught, instead of thinking for themselves. The Greeks believed the myths and Plato worked on that belief, himself being a great thinker and also being ticked with the aristocracy for not realizing the folly of their ways. The man took inspiration where he found it and built a magnificent place in history for himself with the resulting story. I don't think there's too many other men or women, whose legacy was as memorable as his. Hi Qoais; Even if you disregard atlantis totally there is still an uncanny interpretation of the Phaethon myth and stories of other disasters that seem to tie in well with modern catastrophy theory. Thats what I personally find intriguing and I think that captured my imagination as much as the description of Atlantis and its destruction. Given sea level rises at least half early human archaeology is possibly underwater still waiting to be discoverd. I know humans are an intellegent species that have been around for long enough for earlier civilizations to be viable. Cheers and I really enjoy reading your posts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 3, 2009 #349 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hi Qoais; Even if you disregard atlantis totally there is still an uncanny interpretation of the Phaethon myth and stories of other disasters that seem to tie in well with modern catastrophy theory. Thats what I personally find intriguing and I think that captured my imagination as much as the description of Atlantis and its destruction. Given sea level rises at least half early human archaeology is possibly underwater still waiting to be discoverd. I know humans are an intellegent species that have been around for long enough for earlier civilizations to be viable. Cheers and I really enjoy reading your posts.. I know you directed your comment to Q but my fave part of it all is the part about the Phaethon myth and how some myths themselves represent changes in climate and catastrophe and do not at all doubt that catastrophe has hit mankind in the fairly recent past to account for such as the Phaethon myth. The dislike Plato had for the sophists (these story teller educators) is legendary, how they were telling us the wrong thing and it was believed...I still spend much time deciphering myths as my main objective in the whole thing which is why Harte probably mentioned it...you could look at it as a test of the Greek people, remembering Solon could have been as famous as Homer et al..for his story that Plato has told us instead. What we do know is that it certainly was called the Atlantis Sea as Herodotus tells us 100 years before Plato, named after Atlas cause that was where he hailed from, and his myths were based there such as his daughters looking after the sacred apples of Hera, and where he held the sky...apples always representing temptation as it also does in the Bible from Eve and even in the Apple of Discord story from Troy... By Plato mentioning names of who was in the war can place it into context of time for the Greeks too, which is what Q is meaning too, you have to go with everything in it, not pick and choose points that might be like so many do, much based on 9000 years or the dimensions given of Atlantis, but what use is that if the landmass found that may have been there at 9,500BC did not have a war with Greece that Erichthonius was part of? That has been the hardest part of figuring it all out, making every single sentence fit into some sort of logic. From Critias..."This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon, and the names of the women in like manner." If anything I would think he is talking about how people from West North Africa came in and became part of the Mediterranean people, which can be seen in other stories such as Belus being the son of Poseidon and Libya...the Danaans. These people fight the Trojans and are Hera's people, fitting accordingly with the later story by Virgil placing Carthage as Hera's favourite city and her basis of hate for the Trojans. Sorry for raving on so much, I love it all and can talk for hours on it all... Regardless, it's fun and something I have loved all my life, I will never stop looking or reading, just in case I missed something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemagegod Posted December 3, 2009 Author #350 Share Posted December 3, 2009 If Atlantis was just a myth that why are there myths similar to it?Like Mu and lemuria. Some people even decided to connect Atlantis with the Garden of Eden as the origin of civilization. Because Plato said that it was about 9000 years before his own time. At this time we can conclude that there would have been a Ice Age and that this would have put Man searching for a warm tropical environment like the Garden of Eden. With the drive to find this place ancient man would have to develop a vast fleet of ships to croos the worlds oceans which could explain the Pris map. The cultures like the Mayas, Egyptians, Tibet, India, and Chinese all have similar mytholigies regarding how we developed civilization with various crafts. They said that they had many gods which gave them the tools and knowlde neccessary to advance as a society. And all of this came from Atlantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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