The Puzzler Posted December 21, 2009 #601 Share Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) How do we know plato wasent writing a childrens story. He was writing a childrens story.... O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html Edit: Farting dog should be easy enough to sniff out Harte..if they smell anything like my farting dogs.... Edited December 21, 2009 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 21, 2009 #602 Share Posted December 21, 2009 How do we know plato wasent writing a childrens story. maybe 10,000 years from now future people will find the book "walter the farting dog" and spend millions searching for his tomb. And make thousands of threads about him! oh, great god walter, bless me with your farting powers If this was meant for children, these children were much more intelligent than ours, right? And it's "wasn't", not 'wasent". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted December 21, 2009 #603 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Farting dog should be easy enough to sniff out Harte..if they smell anything like my farting dogs.... Yes, I suppose it wasn't as funny as I'd hoped, was it. H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 22, 2009 #604 Share Posted December 22, 2009 From your link Abe: One of the participants in the contest, chosen by lot, would begin, in singing an improvised melody, to put to his partner some question on a religious or philosophical theme, or on the meaning and origin of some well-known legend, tradition or belief, and the other would reply, also in song, and in his own improvised subjective melody; and these improvised subjective melodies, moreover, had always to correspond in their tonality to the previously produced consonances as well as to what is called by real musical science the 'ansapalnianly flowing echo’. All this was sung in verse, chiefly in Turko-Tartar, which was then the accepted common language of the peoples of these localities, who spoke different dialects. Sounds to me like they had rap back in those days already!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 22, 2009 #605 Share Posted December 22, 2009 If a lot of the ancient myths were just a way of saving information, how does one separate the information from reality? There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals; By logical extension this passage is saying that the purpose of the myths of the gods was to preserve knowledge, and in many cases astrological knowledge. Wasn't it Jupiter(Zeus) who swallowed his 10 children? It so happens that the planet Jupiter has ten moons, and at one point all the moons disappear behind the planet. Thus Jupiter “devours” its children and then later spits them back up as their orbits progress back into view. So - what would the movements in the heavens and the knowledge thereof, have to do with the movements of the people on earth? ie: The Pelasgians are in Libya, then they're in Egypt, then they're in Greece, then they're all over Europe and Asia and then they're back in Egypt and then they're back in Libya. What I'm asking is, how do we know that when talking about the Pelasgians, the Greeks aren't talking about something that was going on in the sky instead of on the ground? How does one separate what was real and tangible and what they "thought" they knew about the cosmos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 22, 2009 #606 Share Posted December 22, 2009 For instance - what does this mean? How can the sky be a father, and how can a son swallow his children? If this is an event in the sky - like I previously said, about the 10 moons being hidden, then what was this 10 year war and who were the Olympians and the Titans? Were they planets or asteroids or stars or what? KRONOS (or Cronus) was the Titan god of time and the ages, especially time where regarded as destructive and all-devouring. He ruled the cosmos during the so-called Golden Age, after castrating and deposing his father Ouranos (the Sky). In fear of a prophecy that he would be in turn be overthrown by his own son, Kronos swallowed each of his children as soon as they were born. Rhea managed to save the youngest, Zeus, by hiding him away on the island of Krete, and fed Kronos a stone wrapped in the swaddling clothes of an infant. The god grew up, forced Kronos to disgorge his swallowed offspring, and led the Olympians in a ten year war against the Titanes, before driving them defeated into the pit of Tartaros. Many human generations later, Zeus released Kronos and his brothers from this prison, and made the old Titan king of the Elysian Islands, home of the blessed dead. Kronos was essentially the same as Khronos, the primordial god of time in the Orphic Theogonies. http://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanKronos.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 22, 2009 #607 Share Posted December 22, 2009 If a lot of the ancient myths were just a way of saving information, how does one separate the information from reality? By logical extension this passage is saying that the purpose of the myths of the gods was to preserve knowledge, and in many cases astrological knowledge. Wasn't it Jupiter(Zeus) who swallowed his 10 children? It so happens that the planet Jupiter has ten moons, and at one point all the moons disappear behind the planet. Thus Jupiter “devours” its children and then later spits them back up as their orbits progress back into view. So - what would the movements in the heavens and the knowledge thereof, have to do with the movements of the people on earth? ie: The Pelasgians are in Libya, then they're in Egypt, then they're in Greece, then they're all over Europe and Asia and then they're back in Egypt and then they're back in Libya. What I'm asking is, how do we know that when talking about the Pelasgians, the Greeks aren't talking about something that was going on in the sky instead of on the ground? How does one separate what was real and tangible and what they "thought" they knew about the cosmos? Brilliant observation Q about Jupiter! BUT I must say that Zeus never swallowed any children in the myths and even Cronus only swallows 5 as such, Zeus being the 6th child. So, that Jupiter (Zeus) swallowed 10 moons does not fit the myth but is a brilliant obseravtion of something that I am sure has some credence, the moons (sons) being swallowed. I doubt they knew of 10 moons of Jupiter back then but they certainly knew of Jupiter and knew it had some moons, so you could back them down to 5 or 6 but unless you place Cronus as Jupiter it is still not going to work mythwise at least in that sense... I will look more into this though... Keeping in mind, there is some idea that the Trojan War was movement of stars, the main characters being the brightest stars and also the myths do indicate many mentions of hidden astronomical movements such as the Pole Star and the precession of the Equinoxes. Your Plato paragraph reminded me of something else, that of the Phaeton myth, he speaks of it being a DECLINATION in the Heavens, that is the falling away or change of star alignment I guess... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuban Wiki info: Thuban was considered the pole star until about 1900 BC, when the much brighter Kochab began to approach the pole as well. Having gradually drifted away from the pole over the last 4,800 years, Thuban is now seen in the night sky at a declination of 64° 20' 45.6", RA 14h 04m 33.58s. It was actually twin stars of Kochab AND Pherkad, the Guardians of the Pole and the twin pole stars that overtook Thuban around 1500BC, a much better date to work with.. Wiki info..Kochab and its neighbor Pherkad are both naked eye stars and are sometimes referred to as the "Guardians of the Pole". They served as twin pole stars, Earth's North pole stars, from 1500 B.C. until 500 A.D. So, we have TWINS taking over the role of the all important Pole Star around 1500BC until just before Plato's time or into it even...it could be relevant. Your info is good and also relevant imo because it was AFTER the ten year Titan battle that the Olympian gods came to be in command with Zeus, Hades and Poseidon taking their positions, and Plato does mention this when he talks about Poseidon gets for his lot the sea and that is when he starts to create Atlantis. Lots to think about. Breaking down mythology has frustrated, infuriated and is so tricky and confusing to try and make sense of it has confounded the smartest scholars forever...I like to try and see what I can come up with, I find it interesting and thought provoking, even if I have no real idea, but then again, no one else has any real idea either so it is open to any interpretation if we think it may be right, who knows, you, I or any of us can come up with the right answer at any given time...like Inniverse and his Gate of the Sun, there is no clear answer on what it means so he can be right possibly, that is one of the reasons I find ancient history so intriguing, who knows, any of us can come up with answers that MAY be right if proven eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 22, 2009 #608 Share Posted December 22, 2009 (edited) With Atlas and Poseidon both being interpreted as Poles of some sort, the story of the twins guarding the Pole can start to even make sense...Atlas holding up the Heavens, often seen as a pillar, don't even start me on Mt Meru! lol Poseidon is also seen as a pillar sometimes or even a phallic pole..so you could in essence have Poseidon as the actual Pole/Pillar and the Twins, Atlas and his brothers (no sisters)(??? 5 pairs...) being his guardians... Starting at 1500BC and ending in 500BC...which coincides with early attacks by the Persians. Looking for cataclysms at those dates would also make sense to me. 1500BC the eruption of Thera? That could have been the start of the new era of the TWINS, after that. The dragon in myth is often compared to the Draco constellation that Thuban and the twin guardians are part of...then you have the Golden Fleece that became a constallation,Aries, it's all pretty mind bending stuff and I wonder how they were so clever to create these myths in the first place! I don't think personally at this stage that the Pelasgians were heavenly, I do think they were a fair race that were in Europe that came down into Greece, possibly bringing some myths from Northern Europe and came in when Mycenaean trade was established between the Baltic and the Balkans. I do think most gods are heavenly, Zeus/Jupiter, demigods are people given heavenly God status, such as Pharaohs possibly as a comparison, Heracles and Theseus...and the myths are basically the 2 interacting. Haven't forgotten Jupiter and it's moons either. Even the Sun and our moon such as a solar or lunar eclipse could give rise to a God and his Son myth. The sun would be covered by the moon could equate to the son being more powerful than his father, the Sun. ie: Helios son trying to be more powerful than his father... Edited for spelling and to add: Jupiter being the largest planet certainly goes with the most powerful God, Zeus and Plato tells us that Time itself begins with the allocation of these planets to Gods. Only when they have this knowledge of the planets and them as Gods does time start to be able to be calculated so they should not be underestimated at all. Edited December 22, 2009 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 22, 2009 #609 Share Posted December 22, 2009 (edited) The TWIN stars are part of Ursa Minor, which actually brings alot into it also... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa_Minor_constellation Ursa Minor and Ursa Major were related by the Greeks to the myth of Callisto and Arcas. However, in a variant of the story, in which it is Boötes that represents Arcas, Ursa Minor was considered to represent a dog. This is the older tradition which sensibly explains both the length of the tail and the obsolete alternate name of Cynosura (the dog's tail) for Polaris, the North Star.[2] Previously, Ursa Minor was considered to be just seven close stars, mythologically regarded as sisters. In early Greek mythology, the seven stars of the Little Dipper were considered to be the Hesperides, daughters of Atlas. Together with the nearby constellations of Boötes, Ursa Major, and Draco, it may have formed the origin of the myth of the apples of the Hesperides, which forms part of the Labours of Hercules.[original research?] In earliest times, Ursa Minor was named the Dragon's wing, and was considered a part of Draco. The dragon's wing as an asterism is now long forgotten. I think the last part is interesting because it co-incides with my own thoughts about the serpent of the Bible once being a dragon or at least a serpent with wings, because GOD tells the serpent he will slither on the ground for the rest of his days, which says to me the serpent before he tempted Eve actually had wings...if he was already a serpent or snake it would not make any sense... So finding that Draco the serpent/snake was actually earlier considered to have wings, making it a dragon is relevant too... Edited December 22, 2009 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 22, 2009 #610 Share Posted December 22, 2009 For instance - what does this mean? How can the sky be a father, and how can a son swallow his children? If this is an event in the sky - like I previously said, about the 10 moons being hidden, then what was this 10 year war and who were the Olympians and the Titans? Were they planets or asteroids or stars or what? KRONOS (or Cronus) was the Titan god of time and the ages, especially time where regarded as destructive and all-devouring. He ruled the cosmos during the so-called Golden Age, after castrating and deposing his father Ouranos (the Sky). In fear of a prophecy that he would be in turn be overthrown by his own son, Kronos swallowed each of his children as soon as they were born. Rhea managed to save the youngest, Zeus, by hiding him away on the island of Krete, and fed Kronos a stone wrapped in the swaddling clothes of an infant. The god grew up, forced Kronos to disgorge his swallowed offspring, and led the Olympians in a ten year war against the Titanes, before driving them defeated into the pit of Tartaros. Many human generations later, Zeus released Kronos and his brothers from this prison, and made the old Titan king of the Elysian Islands, home of the blessed dead. Kronos was essentially the same as Khronos, the primordial god of time in the Orphic Theogonies. http://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanKronos.html That website above mentions what I was saying...From it: They (The Titans) were responsible for the original ordering of time and the establishment of fixed heavenly cycles. Plato also mentions Mnemosyne, a Titaness. Possibly once Time was established (Cronus) it was an un-needed use to have it as the most powerful so desposed of that knowledge in order to establish a new reign of Gods, maybe the nature Gods and that our own selves,our bodies attributes Greek Gods were once placed into the context of our collective consciousness...which I think has merit. A God such as Helios is the Sun but a Titaness such as Mnemosyne was our memory and a son of 2 Gods such as Ares was war. Atlas held the Heavens. I'm not sure if that has a pattern of some sort. The part of Timaeus that has nothing to do with Atlantis goes into more detail about each part of our selves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted December 22, 2009 #611 Share Posted December 22, 2009 For instance - what does this mean? How can the sky be a father, and how can a son swallow his children? If this is an event in the sky - like I previously said, about the 10 moons being hidden, then what was this 10 year war and who were the Olympians and the Titans? Were they planets or asteroids or stars or what? KRONOS (or Cronus) was the Titan god of time and the ages, especially time where regarded as destructive and all-devouring. He ruled the cosmos during the so-called Golden Age, after castrating and deposing his father Ouranos (the Sky). In fear of a prophecy that he would be in turn be overthrown by his own son, Kronos swallowed each of his children as soon as they were born. Rhea managed to save the youngest, Zeus, by hiding him away on the island of Krete, and fed Kronos a stone wrapped in the swaddling clothes of an infant. The god grew up, forced Kronos to disgorge his swallowed offspring, and led the Olympians in a ten year war against the Titanes, before driving them defeated into the pit of Tartaros. Many human generations later, Zeus released Kronos and his brothers from this prison, and made the old Titan king of the Elysian Islands, home of the blessed dead. Kronos was essentially the same as Khronos, the primordial god of time in the Orphic Theogonies. http://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanKronos.html Thinking more about this...as you mentioned. In the Olympian creation myth, as Hesiod tells it in Theogony, Uranus came every night to cover the earth and mate with Gaia, but he hated the children she bore him. Hesiod names the Titans, six sons and six daughters, the one-hundred-armed giants (Hecatonchires) and the one-eyed giants, the Cyclopes. Uranus imprisoned Gaia's youngest children in Tartarus, deep within Earth, where they caused pain to Gaia. She shaped a great flint-bladed sickle and asked her sons to castrate Uranus. Only Cronus, youngest and most ambitious of the Titans, was willing: he ambushed his father and castrated him, casting the severed testicles into the sea. This could mean the sky came over each night, so the sky or Ouranus maybe was seen more as night than the blue sky of the day...he and the Earth became one to create the heavenly bodies they could see..12 of them, the 12 Titans..., not sure which 12 but moving on...the sickle could imo the moon when it's not full, maybe a phase of the moon, it does look like a heavenly sickle, the moon may have been seen as a whole and as a 1/4, the main phases being seperates..the sickle shaped moon may have caused some stars and planets not to be seen as they hid behind the moon....in effect the sickle castrated the father of the sons, the heavenly bodies, then they reappeared...something like that...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 23, 2009 #612 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-KakTiYdkY&feature=player_embedded Sorry to those of you with dial up. Edited December 23, 2009 by Qoais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.A.D CapeBretoner Posted December 23, 2009 #613 Share Posted December 23, 2009 funny my pic show's the same kind of architect and it's all above sea level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.A.D CapeBretoner Posted December 23, 2009 #614 Share Posted December 23, 2009 i could just show you a satellite picture of Cape Breton Island but you need to be able to see the shadows in the bed rock in order to understand what lies below,I used a rainbow of color to see what i see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.A.D CapeBretoner Posted December 23, 2009 #615 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Q if i may call you, that to which you have shown come many gen- down the line in this kingship and by the looks did not withstand destruction because it lies on the plates edge and the bottom of the Caribbean . Like a city state that did not follow in our fathers true way's and met with there fate. The Island to which you seek lies in the center of things that were ,are and will all way's be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.A.D CapeBretoner Posted December 23, 2009 #616 Share Posted December 23, 2009 just so you all know were i am coming from . the story that can be written in stone is only of truth ,when one searches does he not find.It's those secretes that one finds, others want kept secret. And the time is soon to come when there will be no hiding from the truth and what's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 23, 2009 #617 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Unerwater anomalies are becoming the rage it seems. Atlantis is in the Andes mountains of Peru - under water of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 23, 2009 #618 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Atlantis is everywhere, if we have to believe our Google god... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 23, 2009 #619 Share Posted December 23, 2009 just so you all know were i am coming from . the story that can be written in stone is only of truth ,when one searches does he not find.It's those secretes that one finds, others want kept secret. And the time is soon to come when there will be no hiding from the truth and what's right. You live in Canada, right? I live in Holland, and my native language is NOT English. Why is your English so crappy I can hardly understand anything you say?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 23, 2009 #620 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Q if i may call you, that to which you have shown come many gen- down the line in this kingship and by the looks did not withstand destruction because it lies on the plates edge and the bottom of the Caribbean . Like a city state that did not follow in our fathers true way's and met with there fate. The Island to which you seek lies in the center of things that were ,are and will all way's be. Hi M.A.D. I don't think the pictures I posted are of a city. I think it's just the pixelizaation that happens when one uses a program like Google Earth and comes in too close. Google Earth has improved this feature quite a bit lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 23, 2009 #621 Share Posted December 23, 2009 i could just show you a satellite picture of Cape Breton Island but you need to be able to see the shadows in the bed rock in order to understand what lies below,I used a rainbow of color to see what i see. What are you referring to? What do you mean you used a rainbow of color to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 23, 2009 #622 Share Posted December 23, 2009 This is for you folks out on the East coast suffering that terrible weather. Here's a Satellite photo of your blizzard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemagegod Posted December 24, 2009 Author #623 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I live in Buffalo we just got a little bit of that storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 28, 2009 #624 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I'm using this thread because I can't remember which thread the subject of ancient nuclear power was talked about. I remember mentioning that I'd read somewhere that science had put this incident down to a natural occurrence but that it couldn't be natural because too much "planning" has to go into making a nuclear reactor and nature couldn't just do this on her own. Anyway, I have now found the article about it and thought I'd post it in this thread because whoever was mentioning it, is bound to see it in this thread. I hope. Scientists Discover Six Ancient Zones of Depleted Uranium with Plutonium Products Here at s8int.com, we smell a rat. Below in an article entitled "Oklo, An Unappreciated Cosmic Phenomenom", "science" has applied several of its tried and true methodologies to "orthodoxize" that which otherwise would be a very strange and startling occurrence. Click and drag photo to resize. Script from The Java Script Source If you could go back and read the news and scientific articles at the time, you could contrast the shock, dismay and confusion caused by the initial announcement that nuclear material had been mined in the past and that the byproduct plutonium had been created at Oklo, --with the blase way the exlanation for the phenomenon is presented today. In 1972, a French analyst named Bougzigues working at the Pierrelatte nuclear fuel processing plant detected a small but significant change in an important ratio between Uranium 235 and Uranium 238. The proper ratio is well known and well established in that field so that the change indicated that something way out of the ordinary was going on. The initial suspicion was that someone had included spent fuel in with the recently mined ore. This was quickly ruled out because there was no radiation signature associated with the mystery uranium.. The mystery uranium was eventually traced back to the Gabon mine at Oklo. You need to understand that what was so incredible was that a nuclear reaction had occurred such that plutonium was created and that the nuclear reaction itself had been “moderated”! This means that once a reaction is initated, if you want to harness the power output in a controlled manner, you had better be able to keep it from exploding and releasing all the energy at once. . This particular group of reactors was, incredibly moderated using --water. The first modern nuclear reactors used graphite and cadmium rods to moderate their reactions. . At that time, people were speculating about aliens and advanced ancient civilizations. Some months after the discovery rocked the scientific world, someone came up with a somewhat dubious explanation which over time has taken on the patina of absolute certainty. It was a natural reactor which occurred billions of years ago. . There are at least six zones of depleted uranium (usually means mined)with plutonium as a by product! You've got to really be trying to manufacture plutonium--its a complicated process. Yet,scientists studying these zones have A Prori of course, decided not to consider that man was involved. 1)They place its occurrence safely "billions" of years ago. 2)They assume that a breeding reaction could occur naturally when no such evidence of that exists and creating a breeder reactor was once a technological holy grail which was diificult to achieve on purpose 3)They theorize that although it must have happened naturally in the distant past, that we need not worry about it occurring now, as conditions differ.4)Nature designed the reactor such that its spent fuel and dangerous byproducts were "contained". Scientists use the principal of uniformism to draw conclusions about the future and the past. If they cannot use this "principle", then they can not draw any conclusions because they could not state that the conditions in the universe that exist now, always existed. Here though as often happens, they have to assume that the past was vastly different as it related to the possibility of naturally occurring breeder reactions. Again, scientists from other countries were skeptical when first hearing of these natural nuclear reactors. Some argued that the missing amounts of U-235 had been displaced over time, not split in nuclear fission reactions. "How," they asked, "could fission reactions happen in nature, when such a high degree of engineering, physics, and acute, detailed attention went into building a nuclear reactor?" Perrin and the other French scientists concluded that the only other uranium samples with similar levels of the isotopes found at Oklo could be found in the used nuclear fuel produced by modern reactors. They found that the percentages of many isotopes at Oklo strongly resembled those in the spent fuel generated by nuclear power plants, and, therefore, reasoned that a similar natural process had occurred. Another View of the Phenomenon "Surprisingly, this uranium mine's nuclear reactor was well designed. Studies indicate that this reactor was several miles in length. However, for such a huge nuclear reactor, the thermal impact to its environment was limited to 40 meters on all sides. Even more astonishing is the fact that the radioactive wastes have still not migrated outside the mine site. They are held in place by the surrounding geology. Faced with these findings, scientists consider the mine to be a "naturally occurring" nuclear reactor. The Oklo reactor has been documented for its importance as an analogue (a structural derivative of a parent compound) in the disposal of nuclear fuel wastes. But few people are bold enough to go one step further. As a matter of fact, many people today know that the reactor is a relic from a prehistoric civilization. It's probable that two billion years ago there was a fairly advanced civilization living at a place now called Oklo. This civilization was technologically superior to today's civilization. Compared to this huge "natural" nuclear reactor, our current nuclear reactors are far less impressive. The question is: why did such a highly advanced civilization disappear? That's something to ponder about. The textbook of Basic Radioactive Chemistry (C. Claire ed.) used by Tsinghua university has the following paragraph: "The natural uranium in the Oklo mine in Gabon, West Africa, contains an abnormal amount of U235. It is as low as 0.29%, rather than the normal 0.72%. This means that many self-sustained nuclear fission chain reactions took place at this mine about two billion years ago. Thirteen nuclear reactors existed in prehistoric periods along the 200-metre mine bed, and they were comparable to the modern nuclear reactor in power and heat combustion. This mine had the capability of enabling self-sustained nuclear chain reactions...." This discovery, that shocked the entire scientific community in 1972, has already been forgotten by people today."..Pure Insight.org http://www.s8int.com/atomic2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoais Posted December 28, 2009 #625 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I'd like to add the rest of the info at this time, and then it's all in one place just in case we want to have a second look later on. When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon.The cities were wiped out entirely. While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger. A Nuclear Catastrophe in Paleoindian Times? Introduction. We introduce here a remarkable theory of terrestrial catastrophism that seems to be supported by evidence that is equally remarkable. One of the authors of this theory (RBF) is identified as a nuclear scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley Nuclear Laboratory. The second author (WT) is a consultant. The authors' credentials seem so good that we must take a close look at their extraordinary claims concerning a natural phenomenon that they believe reset radiocarbon clocks in north-central North America and---potentially---elsewhere on the planet. We will be most interested in the reception accorded these claims by the scientific community. http://www.s8int.com/atomic2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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