Hitler Youth in Denmark – again

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

A thoughtful, quietly-spoken German was almost in tears.

“I never thought I would see this in my lifetime,” he said, sadness and anger competing on his face. “The last time young people politicized and indoctrinated by the State broke up a meeting of their opponents here in Copenhagen by chanting mindless, repetitive slogans was during the Nazi occupation of Denmark during the Second World War.”

Americans for Prosperity had booked a meeting-room in a canal-side hotel, with a live satellite link-up to well-attended chapter meetings all over the United States.

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Long article but worth reading. This is an interesting world news event.

Here is some live footage from the event:

I 100% agree that these people are fascists. The whole purpose of their actions is to restrict the free speech of those that disagree with them.

Here is another take from the news:

Viscount Christopher Monckton Calls Climate Activists in Copenhagen 'Hitler Youth'

Here is Lord Mocton's confortation after the event with the Greenie Hitler Youth :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGxgogVMzSE

The greenie movement is a fascist movement.

[questionmark]

Wow, Godwinned her thread with the OP...must be a record...

[__Kratos__]

I 100% agree that these people are fascists. The whole purpose of their actions is to restrict the free speech of those that disagree with them.

No, it isn't. Just they're telling them that they're too stupid to see the evidence for what it is.

Funny how the anti-global warming people do the very same things. I remember a lot of fuss when Al Gore's film came out.

[The Silver Thong]

Wow, Godwinned her thread with the OP...must be a record...

No kidding and wow. Is free speech now only for those that can afford to rent a hall and broadcast on t.v. ? Lord Dimwit there just called out Hitlers youth LOL as he plays Hitler himself LOL He is a mouth piece for big oil thats all. He is the Fascist.

[Wickian]

No, it isn't. Just they're telling them that they're too stupid to see the evidence for what it is.

Funny how the anti-global warming people do the very same things. I remember a lot of fuss when Al Gore's film came out.

I think it's more that they're upset their meeting was disrupted and basically canceled. If it was the other way around(skeptics breaking in on an advocate meeting) we would be seeing it on every news channel for a month.

[conspiracybeliever]

Cool! I love to see young people taking a stand, demonstrating. Good for them! It's seems like it's been so long since I've seen you people question anything. It's like young and old did a role reversal.

[UltraThunderMan]

[acidhead]

I 100% agree that these people are fascists. The whole purpose of their actions is to restrict the free speech of those that disagree with them.

The greenie movement is a fascist movement.

I agree with Lord Monckton...

-these young mostly american kids chanting and resulted take-over and cancellation of the event could only be described and compared to the Hitler Youth of the Nazi's.

The elderly in Denmark remember the nazi brownshirts... they should know better than the americans who were there chanting... this time wearing greenshirts.

The great thing about it though, was that free speech and freedom of expression wasn't compromised by the event organizers.... we ALL know it very easily could have been.

With that said check this out from the Copenhagen Conference:

Journalist Phelim McAleer asks Prof Stephen Schneider from Stanford University an Inconvenient Question about 'Climategate' emails. McAleer is interrupted twice by Prof Schneider's assistant and UN staff and then told to stop filming by an armed UN security guard.

Journalist Phelim McAleer is the same journalist who asked Al Gore to clarify his movie's mistakes before having his microphone cut by event organizers.

Former Vice President Al Gore who never allows journalists questions was giving his first Q & A in 4 years. The results were surprising and alarming for the future of journalism.

Watch:

[Startraveler]

I think it's more that they're upset their meeting was disrupted and basically canceled. If it was the other way around(skeptics breaking in on an advocate meeting) we would be seeing it on every news channel for a month.

Out of curiosity, where do you stand on the issue of activists disrupting not some advocacy group's meeting in a hotel but public meetings held to facilitate communication between citizens and their elected representatives? Do you find those equally offensive?

In fact, that question goes for you, too, TYTM. Do you find town hall crashers to be Nazis, too?

[acidhead]

Out of curiosity, where do you stand on the issue of activists disrupting not some advocacy group's meeting in a hotel but public meetings held to facilitate communication between citizens and their elected representatives? Do you find those equally offensive?

In fact, that question goes for you, too, TYTM. Do you find town hall crashers to be Nazis, too?

Good luck drawing a parallel between the two, startraveler...

I'm sure this argument you presented is a type of fallacy...

The whole point behind calling these kids Hitler's Youth is because these young people are exactly that!

They are all young, mostly americans who are clinging to an ideal - a hypothesis... of AGW... not proven.

The town hall meetings in America were people of all ages.

Edited December 13, 2009 by acidhead

[Startraveler]

The town hall meetings in America were people of all ages.

So the primary issue here is age and not behavior? That's...surprising.

[Mr Honeybadger]

I always love a good protest. But those kids are seeing the world through naive and fantasy / Dreamland eyes. The truth is that fossil fuels power this globe. And they aren't going away anytime soon. Maybe they will wake up when they graduate from Liberal Tech and see that their adgenda has helped drive even more industry and corporations out of business and that their parents will not let them move back home with mom and dad because dad just lost his job at the power company.

[conspiracybeliever]

Or maybe this is a way of learning for our youth. At least they are doing SOMETHING...getting involved! I don't even care if they are right or wrong. And do you honestly think what they are doing is going to make that much change? Let them learn and maybe something good will come of it. It's their future that they are fighting for. Let them get out there and fight and learn. They will come to their own conclusions. Maybe it's the start of something good.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Or maybe this is a way of learning for our youth. At least they are doing SOMETHING...getting involved! I don't even care if they are right or wrong. And do you honestly think what they are doing is going to make that much change? Let them learn and maybe something good will come of it. It's their future that they are fighting for. Let them get out there and fight and learn. They will come to their own conclusions. Maybe it's the start of something good.

I guess this is the same opinion you have for the Hitler Youth when they pulled the same type of tactics to suppress other's free speech? I guess you thought that was the start of somthing good as well?

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Out of curiosity, where do you stand on the issue of activists disrupting not some advocacy group's meeting in a hotel but public meetings held to facilitate communication between citizens and their elected representatives? Do you find those equally offensive?

In fact, that question goes for you, too, TYTM. Do you find town hall crashers to be Nazis, too?

Well then you do realize that this was a private meeting with speakers to discuss the issue and was not an open to the public townhall that all are invited to ask questions and share their views?

Besides you seem to making a hypothetical being that you have povided no proof of organized attempts by anyone to disrupt townhall meetings. The only disruptions I could think are by the fascist thugs of ACORN and the SEIU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjBcYvAGjU

Here is another when SEIU fascis thugs attacked someone for holding an opposing viewpoint:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnxlFbYjVY

There are many more instances as well.

[MichaelW]

I would be p***ed off too if I held a private function and it was gate crashed by youths who haven't got anything better to do with themselves. It was a private function held for people who disagreed with climate changed and it was gatecrashed by people who claim to preserve free speech but in the end tried to press their views on other people and I think it is wrong. Now while I think that Monckton can be a complete idiot, he did have the high ground in the confrontation and indeed people are dying because too many people and too much money is concentrated on an issue which is happening at a slow rate and is probably beyond the means of human control.

We would be better off helping the poor to an adequate level of life than worrying about the climate.

Edited December 13, 2009 by MichaelW

[Startraveler]

Well then you do realize that this was a private meeting with speakers to discuss the issue and was not an open to the public townhall that all are invited to ask questions and share their views?

Besides you seem to making a hypothetical being that you have povided no proof of organized attempts by anyone to disrupt townhall meetings.

What does this have to do with anything? You said "100% agree that these people are fascists. The whole purpose of their actions is to restrict the free speech of those that disagree with them."

The same could be said of the town hall crashers last August, regardless of whether they were "organized" (however you're using that word) or aimed at private or public events (presumably crashing a public event is a more blatant attempt to shut down free speech than a private event). So were those people who shut down discussion at town halls last summer fascists?

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

What does this have to do with anything? You said "100% agree that these people are fascists. The whole purpose of their actions is to restrict the free speech of those that disagree with them."

The same could be said of the town hall crashers last August, regardless of whether they were "organized" (however you're using that word) or aimed at private or public events (presumably crashing a public event is a more blatant attempt to shut down free speech than a private event). So were those people who shut down discussion at town halls last summer fascists?

The examples I gave were specifically of an organized Youth Group crashing a private event in order to suppress the free speech of others by chanting over them.

You have gave no such example of that happening at Townhall meetings (which are open for all to come and express viewpoins and ask questions) though I have gave examples of organized groups such as ACORN and SEIU being bussed in for the purpose of chanting over and harrassing anyone who shows up with a question or point of view that they do not like.

[Wickian]

Out of curiosity, where do you stand on the issue of activists disrupting not some advocacy group's meeting in a hotel but public meetings held to facilitate communication between citizens and their elected representatives? Do you find those equally offensive?

In fact, that question goes for you, too, TYTM. Do you find town hall crashers to be Nazis, too?

I think actually walking in and chanting over a podium speaker is going too far if that's what you mean. There's a conflict of freedom of expression and freedom of speech when that happens. I'm not upset about if you're curious about that either.

[Startraveler]

The examples I gave were specifically of an organized Youth Group crashing a private event in order to suppress the free speech of others by chanting over them.

What is the distinction you're making between these kids and the town hall crashers? Organization (in the sense of a group of people together at the same time and place doing the same thing)? They share that. "Chanting over people"? They both had that. So why are these kids fascists and the town hall crashers not? Hell, in the latter case some of those people actually brought and displayed guns to make some political point.

Edited December 13, 2009 by Startraveler

[conspiracybeliever]

I guess this is the same opinion you have for the Hitler Youth when they pulled the same type of tactics to suppress other's free speech? I guess you thought that was the start of somthing good as well?

No I think it's part of learning and growing, a very important part. And they hurt no one. I think it was a nice demonstration. Right or wrong, I don't care.

[acidhead]

What is the distinction you're making between these kids and the town hall crashers? Organization (in the sense of a group of people together at the same time and place doing the same thing)? They share that. "Chanting over people"? They both had that. So why are these kids fascists and the town hall crashers not? Hell, in the latter case some of those people actually brought and displayed guns to make some political point.

Big difference.

These kids are chanting for more government... global government which trumphs existing sovereignty world-wide.

The town hall protesters were protesting BIG government.

Big difference, in fact, the complete opposite.

Who's side are you on anyhow startraveler?... Freedom or slavery?

Edited December 14, 2009 by acidhead

[Corp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_youth

Thought I'd post that since some people don't seem to know who the Hitler Youth were.

Come on Startraveler don't be one of those government controled sheep that always say the same thing. Be different. Pick slavery!

Edited December 14, 2009 by Corp

[conspiracybeliever]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_youth

Thought I'd post that since some people don't seem to know who the Hitler Youth were.

Come on Startraveler don't be one of those government controled sheep that always say the same thing. Be different. Pick slavery!

Thanks I didn't know. It doesn't change my mind about the demonstration at all.

[Goblin-5]

I think that the rhetoric is over the top. The tactics used are not the exclusive domain of the fascists. To compare them to the Hitlerjugund is offensive IMO. That said the protestors are certainly zealots and I can see the degree of fanaticism that has always characterised zealots throughout history who then committed acts of great barbarism