UFO Reports During The Vietnam War.

[karl 12]

Some very interesting UFO testimony,reports and accounts from soldiers,sailors and airmen during the Vietnam war - if anyone knows of anymore please post away.

Statements:

"I don't know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren't called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of '68. And this resulted in quite a little battle. And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved but we always reacted. Always after dark. The same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69."

USAF Chief of Staff General George S. Brown

DoD Transcript of Press Conference in Illinois (10/16/1973).

"During my stint in the Navy I was on the ammunition ship USS Kilauea in the Indian Ocean somewhere near Vietnam around early 1974.

Myself and two friends were out on the Foxhull , it was dark, around 9 pm probably. There was little or no moon but millions of stars like always out there. We were in a group with a destroyer and a carrier, I think the USS Mason DD, and maybe the Oriskany.

We were watching the Mason in front of us and the glowing trail of ocean it was kicking up from the phosphorus algae in the water when the ocean in front of us lit up, started glowing. It got brighter and brighter and then this really bright orange/yellow ball came out of the water on the right-starboard side of the destroyer. It flew over the top of the destroyer and went back in the ocean on the port side, with the same glowing ocean water and then disappeared.

We all just stared at each other with our mouths open. We could not believe what we saw, but I asked friends of mine who were on watch on the bridge if they saw it and they all did. There was nothing ever reported that I know of though and we just quit talking about it. I bet the destroyer got a good look at it. It went right over the bridge of that ship and it was big. Maybe 150 to 200 feet in diameter".

Naval crewman Norman Burns -aboard the USS Kilauea in the Indian ocean,1974.

"It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous amount of UFO and alien activity in Vietnam. It was always reported in official messages as `enemy helicopters.' Now any of you who know anything about the Vietnam war know that the North Vietnamese did not have any helicopters, especially after our first couple of air raids into North Vietnam. Even if they had they would not have been so foolish as to bring them over the DMZ because that would have insured their demise. Our troops were fired on occasionally by these `enemy helicopters,' enemy troops were fired on occasionally by these `enemy helicopters,' and occasionally people would disappear"

William Cooper

Reports:

Larry Workman's UFO report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU95y7z7cxo

Don Delano's UFO report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxypakpBEa4

[karl 12]

Ron Haye's UFO report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47HQxvAUHkw

Photograph:

This is the only known UFO photo taken during the Vietnam War. It was shot with an Electro-35 Yashica camera by an American serviceman traveling in the back of an army truck along a country road near Chu-Lei in March of 1967.

Image credit: UFO Photo Archives/Wendelle Stevens.

Right Angle turns:

My friend John Miranda, who was the first to show me evidence for UFOs, heard first-hand an account from a co-worker in 1972: Andy (not his real name) had just served as an USAF Technical Sergeant in what he described was the intelligence center in Thailand that coordinated the military aircraft flights over all of Vietnam. As he put it, if there was a plane flying anywhere in S.E. Asia, this control center knew about it. It was probably the Nakhon Phanom Royal Thai Air Force Base, identified in FOIA documents discussed below.

Andy reported that one day [probably in 1969] on multiple radars, they tracked an object traveling at 7,000 mph that repeatedly made right angle turns. They checked with the top commanders from Air Force, Army, Navy and Marines. All confirmed they had no aircraft flying in that area at the time. Of course, the folks in the intelligence center were warned never to speak of this event.Miranda added that Andy was a sharp individual without tendency to exaggerate. He knew exactly what he was telling me. And he had no reason to embellish the story. Thus ended my first Vietnam UFO story. More were to follow.

http://www.openminds.tv/ufos-during-the-vietnam-war/

Police Detective recounts Vietnam war UFO encounter:

The next sighting came from one of my mentors in the field, the late New York City Police detective Pete Mazzola. Pete, who passed away in 1987, had then formed a national organization called the SBI, for Scientific Bureau of Investigation. Pete served in Vietnam from 1965 until the end of that decade.

There were several times, while on patrol in the jungle, that I had time to look up at the stars, began Mazzola. I saw more than a few unusual shooting stars that maneuvered in a way no meteor could. One incident left an indelible memory in the young soldier. Mazzola couldnt remember the exact date, only that it was around 1966 or 67. Mazzolas patrol was pinned down in tall elephant grass when they saw something strange appear over the paddy fields and palm trees ahead.I couldnt believe what I saw, continued Mazzola, the other guys saw it too but afterwards were too shocked to talk much about it except to say, What the hell was that?Mazzolas job as Forward Observer for his platoon was to call in the coordinates of enemy positions to US Navy ships.

Mazzola heard the shells first from the south (the American warships positions) and then the objects began to receive artillery rounds in the other direction, from the north [the Vietcong]. The shells never made the target. They all exploded short, we could see the black smoke puffs in the air. The detective almost implied the UFO was doing something to explode the shells prematurely.The object continued to hover silently, gracefully, said Mazzola, and in less than five minutes shot straight up in the air and was gone.

http://www.openminds.tv/ufos-during-the-vietnam-war/

UFO over Hanoi:

On Sept. 29, 1972, as the war dragged on, the State Journal in Lansing, Michigan, published an AFP newswire report titled, What Was UFO Over Hanoi? The AFP correspondent in Hanoi, Jean Thoraval, wrote that a mysterious object appeared in the clear blue sky over Hanoi Friday, attracting missile fire from the ground but apparently remaining motionless.

Thoraval himself saw the object from the ground with binoculars. He described it as spherical in shape and a luminous orange in color, and was clearly at a very high altitude. North Vietnamese air defenses fired three surface-to-air missiles, which were unable to reach the target. The object remained in the same high spot for over one hour and 20 minutes, although towards the end it appeared less bright than before.

http://www.openminds.tv/ufos-during-the-vietnam-war/

Declassified Government documents (pdf) - UFO Reports During The Vietnam war:

Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Report - Laos/Thailand, 1968

Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Report -

DIA UFO Report, Thailand, 1969

Edited December 17, 2009 by karl 12

[sinewave]

Couldn't battle fatigue account for some of this? The Vietnam war was particularly nasty in that deadly ambushes and booby traps were common. Ground troops were usually pretty well spent by the end of their tours. Shock and lack of sleep coupled with the need for constant vigilance could make people see all kinds of things or at the very least, misinterpret them. It is certainly worth considering anyway.

It was not a face to face war like previous ones. The enemy moved silently and unseen through networks of tunnels and could appear nearly anywhere. In addition to the NVA, troops also had to contend with the Viet Cong which included women and children.

[Coffey]

I hope that if there was ET watching us they don't judge us by wars like this, cause that would not be good.

[sinewave]

The high altitude sightings could have been Blackbirds. The CIA flew them over Vietnam and Cambodia during the war.

[karl 12]

Thanks for the replies,it seems there were quite a few UFO reports from soldiers,sailors and airmen during the Vietnam war and its interesting that many of these objects were 'officialy' referred to as 'mystery helicopters' (although the reported flight characteristics,size and shape of these objects don't sound very helicopter-ish)

Heres another interesting UFO case from Nha Trang - the incident doesn't involve radar confirmation this time but it does appear to involve electromagnetic effects.

The Nha Trang UFO incident, South Vietnam - June, 1966:

Nha Trang , at the time of the reported incident, was a heavily defended base in South Vietnam located along the coastline. It served as the home base for more than 40,000 troops, including 2,000 American GIs.

The base was situated in a valley, with warehouses and an airstrip to the east, a fuel storage area and hills to the west, and docks and storage facilities located to the south along the China Sea.

According to the witness, eight bulldozers were operating that night cutting roads around "Hawk Hill," located less than one-half mile to the west of the American compound. On another part of the base, two "sky-Raider" prop-driven aircraft were warming up on the airstrip located less than a mile to the east. At the same time, a Shell Oil tanker lay anchored in the bay about a mile to the southwest.

The witness, an enlisted soldier holding the rank of Specialist 5, had gathered with an undetermined number of fellow soldiers around 8 p.m. in an open area of the base to watch an outdoor movie.

Outdoor films had become possible only recently, according to the witness, thanks to the arrival and installation of six, new, independently-operated, 100 KW diesel-powered generators. One of these generators had been installed near the compound where the soldiers were seated and was being used to supply power for the movie projector.

The film had been underway for some time, according to the witness's account, when suddenly, at approximately 9:45 p.m., the sky to the north lit up! The GIs glanced up and saw what at first appeared to be a flare exploding above a ridge to the north.

"At first we thought it was a flare which are going off all the time and then we found that it wasn't" recounts a letter from the witness mailed home a few days later.

"It came from the north and was moving from real slow to real fast...Some of the jet fighter pilots which were here...said it looked to be about 25,000 feet (in altitude)... then the panic broke loose. It dropped right towards us and stopped dead still about 300 to 500 feet up. It made this little valley and the mountains around look like it was the middle of the day; it lit up everything.

"Then it went up and I mean up. It went straight up and completely out of sight in about 2-3 seconds. Everybody is still talking about it."

"That really shook everyone is that it stopped, or maybe it didn't, but anyway our generator stopped and everything was black. At the Air Force Base about one half mile from here all generators stopped.

The engines on two planes that were the runway ready to take off stopped, and there wasn't a car, truck, plane or anything that ran for about four minutes."

In addition, the eight bulldozers working on nearby hills also ceased operating according to the witness.

"A whole plane load of big shots from Washington got here this afternoon to investigate. It's on the radio over here. Is it at home? I swear if somebody says they saw a little green man I won't argue with them."

http://www.nicap.org/nhatrangdir.htm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/1966vietnam.html

Cheers.

Edited December 17, 2009 by karl 12

[karl 12]

The high altitude sightings could have been Blackbirds. The CIA flew them over Vietnam and Cambodia during the war.

The speed and flight characteristics of the objects described don't realy sound like SR-71 Blackbirds....unless of course you completely ignore the witness testimony (or cherrypick which parts of the report to beleive) - then you could come up with just about anything.

“what he described was the intelligence center in Thailand that coordinated the military aircraft flights over all of Vietnam. As he put it, ‘if there was a plane flying anywhere in S.E. Asia, this control center knew about it’.” It was probably the Nakhon Phanom Royal Thai Air Force Base, identified in FOIA documents discussed below.

Andy reported that “one day [probably in 1969] on multiple radars, they tracked an object traveling at 7,000 mph that repeatedly made right angle turns. They checked with the top commanders from Air Force, Army, Navy and Marines. All confirmed they had no aircraft flying in that area at the time. Of course, the folks in the intelligence center were warned never to speak of this event.”

http://www.openminds.tv/ufos-during-the-vietnam-war/

[~Onyx~]

"That really shook everyone is that it stopped, or maybe it didn't, but anyway our generator stopped and everything was black. At the Air Force Base about one half mile from here all generators stopped.

The engines on two planes that were the runway ready to take off stopped, and there wasn't a car, truck, plane or anything that ran for about four minutes."

In addition, the eight bulldozers working on nearby hills also ceased operating according to the witness.

Of all the details of the stories printed, this detail in particular interested me. If extended space travel were to be possible..and understand that, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still WAY out on the existence of aliens..especially given the relatively small size of some of these alleged crafts, that it would make sense that some sort of energy-gathering and conversion system might be used. Now, like I stated earlier, the jury is still way out on the existence of E.T's, as far as I'm concerned, but I found that aspect of the recounting very interesting.

[sinewave]

The speed and flight characteristics of the objects described don't realy sound like SR-71 Blackbirds....unless of course you completely ignore the witness testimony (or cherrypick which parts of the report to beleive) - then you could come up with just about anything.

Estimates of speed are quite difficult to make when size and distance of the object are not known. It is not possible to accurately estimate the speed of a light in the sky. You don't know if it is 100 feet up or 100,000.

[karl 12]

Of all the details of the stories printed, this detail in particular interested me. If extended space travel were to be possible..and understand that, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still WAY out on the existence of aliens..especially given the relatively small size of some of these alleged crafts, that it would make sense that some sort of energy-gathering and conversion system might be used. Now, like I stated earlier, the jury is still way out on the existence of E.T's, as far as I'm concerned, but I found that aspect of the recounting very interesting.

Onyx,thanks for the reply - god knows what UFOs actualy are but it appears the 'electromagnetic interference' aspect is quite a common one.

If you've not seen it before,NASA's Richard Haines has done a very interesting scientific study on the phenomenon:

FIFTY-SIX AIRCRAFT PILOT SIGHTlNGS INVOLVING ELECTROMAGNETIC EFFECTS.

Richard F. Haines, Ph.D.

"Reports of anomalous aerial objects (AAO) appearing in the atmosphere continue to be made by pilots of almost every airline and air force of the world in addition to private and experimental test pilots.

This paper presents a review of 56 reports of AAO in which electromagnetic effects

(E-M) take place on-board the aircraft when the phenomenon is located nearby but not before it appeared or after it had departed.

Reported E-M effects included radio interference or total failure, radar contact with and without simultaneous visual contact, magnetic and/or gyro-compass deviations, automatic direction finder failure or interference, engine stopping or interruption, dimming cabin lights, transponder failure, and military aircraft weapon system failure.

We're not dealing with mental projections or hallucinations on the part of the witness but with a real physical phenomenon."

Dr. Richard Haines, Psychologist specializing in pilot and astronaut "human factors" research for the Ames NASA Research Center in California-

Chief of the Space Human Factors Office.

Link:

http://www.nicap.org/papers/92apsiee.htm

As for the Vietnam reports - it seems its not the first time the U.S. Gov has referred to UFOs as 'mystery helicopters' - there are some very interesting documents below which describe these objects hovering over Nuclear facilities and Weapons storage areas in the U.S.

From late October through the middle of November 1975, high-security bases along the U.S.-Canada border were the scene of intrusions of what were euphemistically called "mystery helicopters," despite their unhelicopter-like appearance and behavior.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ufo_briefingdocument/1975.htm

Documents One.

Documents Two.

Documents Three.

Map and Timeline of Events

Cheers.

Edited December 17, 2009 by karl 12

[DONTEATUS]

Skyeagle sawer a UFO in Nam! Calling Skyeagle! On your Six!

[skyeagle409]

Some very interesting UFO testimony,reports and accounts from soldiers,sailors and airmen during the Vietnam war - if anyone knows of anymore please post away.

Statements:

Reports:

Larry Workman's UFO report:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dU95y7z7cxo

Don Delano's UFO report:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=fxypakpBEa4

Thanks a MILLION!!

It was in 1968 in Vietnam, that I saw a similar object. it didn't make any noise and we watched as it came from over the sea and passed right over our base.

[sinewave]

Can you tell your story here Skyeagle? I've not heard it before. BTW How long did you serve? I was thinking you were in the Air Force from its beginnings but maybe I am confused.

[karl 12]

Thanks a MILLION!!

It was in 1968 in Vietnam, that I saw a similar object. it didn't make any noise and we watched as it came from over the sea and passed right over our base.

Hey bud,thanks for the reply -thought you'd find the subject matter interesting.

The two declassified DIA documents show how seriously the Pentagon took these 'mystery helicopter' reports and there seems to be quite a few very strange accounts out there (yours being one of them).

Here are two other UFO reports from Phuioc Vinh and Danang:

Phuoc Vinh, Vietnam -1969

I was pulling Green-line duty with 3 other 1st Cav. soldiers who were sleeping. I had a star light scope, a radio and all the stuff you would expect in/on a bunker.. As I was scanning the western night sky. and all of a sudden something to the Northwest caught my eye.It was a very brilliant whitish, silver and with a hint of blue more of a rounded shape. It was fairly far away. The main thing about this object was it would move to my left, or South in jerky movements , hover, do it again and again. It never lost the same brilliance or colors the entire time. Additionally it left a amber or reddish trail (like a tracer) as it moved only to suddenly stop on a dime. I watched this thing for several minutes.

By this time it was in the Southern Horizon. Then, all of a sudden it shot up skyward on a 45 degree angle towards the North. It was totally out of sight in seconds. I was thinking should I report this? I decided not. I would wait to see if anyone else would, then I would to. I didn't have the presence of mine to wake the other guys. Mainly, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

http://militaryufo.blogspot.com/2009/03/military-man-observes-ufo-at-phuoc-vinh.html

Pilot report from Danang:

Object Description:

Red and white at a distance of five feet outside the rotor disk and 200 feet over the airstrip at DaNang. No photo but I'll never forget what it looked like.

Additional Information:

This is from memory but it was just after lunch. About 1300 on a July day. Sunshine and clear skies. Unlimited visibility. We took off and slowed way down at 200 feet. From 7 o'clock this thing comes up and starts to pace us about five feet outside of the rotor disk. The pilot called back to the field but radar said he saw nothing on the scope. Just us. We accelerated to the point that the aircraft shook and the thing stayed right there. Maybe a minute, then it just left us like we were backing up. You could hear it like an artillery shell over the noise of the aircraft. Best I recall it headed due north across the bay from DaNang.

http://militaryufo.blogspot.com/2007/12/danang-viet-nam-ufo.html

Cheers.

[karl 12]

Another report from Danang:

Viet Nam USMC Vet Observes Objects Following Jet Aircraft

Number of witnesses: 4

Number of objects: 8

Shape of objects: Just a dot in sky except for one, very bright red/blue light.

Full Description of event/sighting: We were sitting at the end of the flight line watching the Phantom F-4 jets take off on a bomb run when we saw the first of strange lights in the sky. They seemed to follow the jets, as a matter of fact (after talking with a mate in the tower) they were following the jets. At first there were only two lights, but in no time there were eight objects close to the jet aircraft. We thought they were MIG'S and radioed the same, but to our dismay no MIG aircraft were seen on the radar at that time.

They continued to follow for quite some time, now this is where it gets kind of weird. The jets came back to base and the pilots were saying they were being followed by an, quote - "Unidentified Aircraft". As the airplanes landed and the objects followed them to with in approximately 1000 feet of the run way. We could vaguely make out a shape of two of them, they were oval in shape with lots of lights and a very strange amber glow. The objects hovered for about 20 seconds, then they all shot off at a high rate of speed and were gone.

http://www.ufoinfo.com/sightings/vietnam/680000.shtml