Ground-swell against "Established Politics"

[Ryinrea]

Because people seem to think that the label independant makes them a free thinker and cuts off all unwanted ties due to any political affiliation. You lose the baggage of being a Democrat or Republican.

Yeap, that is true.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

It is so hypocritical for someone who is afraid to actually admit where they stand politically and to hide behind the label INDEPENDENT to then have the audacity to make fun of people who are taking a stance and getting involved.

What mindless dribble.

[Ryinrea]

It is so hypocritical for someone who is afraid to actually admit where they stand politically and to hide behind the label INDEPENDENT to then have the audacity to make fun of people who are taking a stance and getting involved.

What mindless dribble.

I am not sure. were I stand politically that is why I consider myself an INDEPENDENT. I agree with both parties sometimes. Oh tell that to Bill O'reliy, because he says he an INDEPENDENT. We know he is not.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

I am not sure. were I stand politically that is why I consider myself an INDEPENDENT. I agree with both parties sometimes. Oh tell that to Bill O'reliy, because he says he an INDEPENDENT. We know he is not.

Well I very much respect that you can admit that you just aren't sure where you stand. Honesty is the best policy. But you shouldn't really be making fun of people then who are taking a solid stand for what they believe in until you know for sure where you stand.

Why would you mock and ridicule people who are making a stand if you claim that you are not sure where it is that you stand? It makes you seem dishonest doing that. It seems as if you are taking a stand but just lie and claim that you are not.

[Ryinrea]

Well I very much respect that you can admit that you just aren't sure where you stand. Honesty is the best policy. But you shouldn't really be making fun of people then who are taking a solid stand for what they believe in until you know for sure where you stand.

Why would you mock and ridicule people who are making a stand if you claim that you are not sure where it is that you stand? It makes you seem dishonest doing that. It seems as if you are taking a stand but just lie and claim that you are not.

Sorry, again ^^.

I get tired of people complain about presidents who they don't like. So it does, make me feel p***ed sometime, and I tend to lash out.

Edited December 19, 2009 by Ryinrea

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Sorry, again ^^.

I get tired of people complain about presidents who they don't like. So it does, make me feel p***ed sometime, and I tend to lash out.

No need to say sorry to me.

I am very much taking a stand politically and have plenty to say all of the time. You do a great job making threads and sharing you viewpoint here at UM in US Politics. It is great to have passion and to see your contributions.

I am just spouting my opinion on things. All the best to you Ryinrea.

Edited December 19, 2009 by TRUEYOUTRUEME

[Paranormalcy]

Using the term "Independent" is not any sort of admission of being confused or unsure as to where you stand on issues - it is an assertion that your voting is based on your own personal opinions and values, rather than adhering to some artificial binary sets of cogs, and that while both of the other sides may have some valid ideas and concerns, and good data about current events, those are used as the tools they are, not as the sole or defining characteristics or concrete agenda of an outdated political crutch that one must use and adhere to due to loyalty. My first presidential election, I got to vote for Ross Perot, and one of my cousins registered Reform Party, but later when that folded, his registration reverted to Independent.

[ninjadude]

In many places, it means you don't get to vote in a primary election because you lack a party. So if you're happy with existing political parties choosing their candidates without your input, you have effectively copped out of the electoral process. So, yes, it means you are confused and unsure of where you stand.

[MasterAdam]

It wouldn't be three parties it would be one party and two half parties. Splitting the Republicans/Conservatives like that would just make it all too easy for Democrats. Unless some sort of "Green" party or something arises on the Democrat sad to balance it I would have to be against this.

In my opinion the "Tea Party" is an embarrassment to American politics and society.

Tea Partiers think they're revolutionary. Just a bunch of paranoid capitalists if you ask me.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Tea Partiers think they're revolutionary. Just a bunch of paranoid capitalists if you ask me.

Yea and on the other side of the coin you have a bunch of paranoid fascists and socialists. The Fisters. They also think that they are progressive and revolutionary. In reality they are just corrupt. Just like the British monarchy and King George.

[Pseudo Intellectual]

The nutty left, revolutionary? Those people shriek at the mention of a gun, and you're telling me they could pull off a revolution? Certainly not an armed revolution.

[MasterAdam]

Yea and on the other side of the coin you have a bunch of paranoid fascists and socialists. The Fisters. They also think that they are progressive and revolutionary. In reality they are just corrupt. Just like the British monarchy and King George.

It's funny how you put socialists and facists in the same category. Edited December 21, 2009 by MasterAdam

[Mr Honeybadger]

The nutty left, revolutionary? Those people shriek at the mention of a gun, and you're telling me they could pull off a revolution? Certainly not an armed revolution.

I suppose they could throw their cheerleader pom-poms at people. The ones that they used at the Obama rallies.

[BlindMessiah]

The nutty left, revolutionary? Those people shriek at the mention of a gun, and you're telling me they could pull off a revolution? Certainly not an armed revolution.

Because all socialists are anti-gun. You misinterpret. It's just, socialists, like other humans, don't like being shot.

[ninjadude]

The nutty left, revolutionary? Those people shriek at the mention of a gun, and you're telling me they could pull off a revolution? Certainly not an armed revolution.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

[BlindMessiah]

The pen is mightier than the sword.

Not if you're an illiterate hillbilly.

[ninjadude]

Not if you're an illiterate hillbilly.

well, yeah. pretty much.

[Pseudo Intellectual]

The pen is mightier than the sword.

Okay. So, if you and your family were walking down an alley (I know what you're gonna say, "why would I walk down an alley?", but bear with me) and a couple of crazy, mentally-unstable, knife-carrying thugs come at you. Would you rather have a pen or a gun/sword?

Oh, I know your response already. You would call Superbama and the government would come to your help in an instant.

[BlindMessiah]

Okay. So, if you and your family were walking down an alley (I know what you're gonna say, "why would I walk down an alley?", but bear with me) and a couple of crazy, mentally-unstable, knife-carrying thugs come at you. Would you rather have a pen or a gun/sword?

Oh, I know your response already. You would call Superbama and the government would come to your help in an instant.

I'd rather have my sneakers on so I could run like hell.

[Pseudo Intellectual]

You're with your family. Say, your wife (who has an injured leg), and 3 small children (you can't carry them all, and they can't run fast enough).

[Cadetak]

You're with your family. Say, your wife (who has an injured leg), and 3 small children (you can't carry them all, and they can't run fast enough).

You give the guys with the knives your wallet.

The criminals are more then likely going to have the drop on you in that dark alley(that's why they chose a dark alley), knife to throat or atleast within striking distance.To get an even footing you would have had to have your fire arm holstered, easily accessible, and ready to go and be drawn quickly. While also miraculously not being supprised or scared when the criminals nab you. Also consider in this situation, you could be carrying one of your small children or holding hands with your wife. It is incredibly unlikely that you would even be able to draw your firearm.

Even in an instance you can drawl your gun before they can cut or counter you there are numerous possible consequences, hopefully they run away at the site of the gun but at this time they could also pull their own, they risk stabbing you or disarming you before you fire, you fire on one but the second or third criminal attacks you in response(or kills a family member of yours), you fire and miss and a ricochet hits your child.

Also this assuming the criminals choose you as the primary target to hold at knife point, were as it is more likely that they will snatch up one of your kids as they come around the corner in a classic "gimme the wallet or I kill the kid".

Intelligence is more of a weapon then a gun will ever be. Wars are won and lost before they are even fought.

[preacherman76]

Heck no. The only way the Democrats can win in 2012 is if we had a third-party. Don't split the vote.

Democrat, republican, whats the difference? You'd support everything 0bama has done if he was a republican. I for one am done with this 2 headed one party system. If America really supports this movement by 40%, thats more than we need to win already.

[Mr Honeybadger]

Democrat, republican, whats the difference? You'd support everything 0bama has done if he was a republican. I for one am done with this 2 headed one party system. If America really supports this movement by 40%, thats more than we need to win already.

I agree. I have no desire to be part of the two party system anymore either. This past presidential election was the first time I ever wrote in a candidite for president. If/when the Republicans take control again, they'll just screw it up too. Just in different ways.

[Cadetak]

Democrat, republican, whats the difference? You'd support everything 0bama has done if he was a republican. I for one am done with this 2 headed one party system. If America really supports this movement by 40%, thats more than we need to win already.

Wouldn't we be worse off? The Tea Party is composed mostly of conservatives/republicans, we wouldn't get three equal parties each having one third of the power and the support but would...it would split the Republican party and its votes. Democrats would continue to get half the votes but the other half would be split by Republicans and Tea Partiers...meaning Dems would command more votes then the other parties.

The third party has to be original and not just an offshoot.

[Pseudo Intellectual]

You give the guys with the knives your wallet.

The criminals are more then likely going to have the drop on you in that dark alley(that's why they chose a dark alley), knife to throat or atleast within striking distance.To get an even footing you would have had to have your fire arm holstered, easily accessible, and ready to go and be drawn quickly. While also miraculously not being supprised or scared when the criminals nab you. Also consider in this situation, you could be carrying one of your small children or holding hands with your wife. It is incredibly unlikely that you would even be able to draw your firearm.

Even in an instance you can drawl your gun before they can cut or counter you there are numerous possible consequences, hopefully they run away at the site of the gun but at this time they could also pull their own, they risk stabbing you or disarming you before you fire, you fire on one but the second or third criminal attacks you in response(or kills a family member of yours), you fire and miss and a ricochet hits your child.

Also this assuming the criminals choose you as the primary target to hold at knife point, were as it is more likely that they will snatch up one of your kids as they come around the corner in a classic "gimme the wallet or I kill the kid".

Intelligence is more of a weapon then a gun will ever be. Wars are won and lost before they are even fought.

Didn't I say the attackers were mentally-unstable, and had no problem whatsoever with hurting you or your family? And I didn't say anything about them wanting your money. I said they were approaching you with the will to attack you and your family. And they wouldn't be inches away from you; more like several feet. Say, 10 to 15 seconds. You could get out your handgun and aim it at them in less than 6 seconds.