IamsSon Posted January 9, 2010 #76 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Well if it was only 50% we wouldn't accept it, it was 94% we wouldn't accept it. We accept 95%, meaning there is a 5% chance that we are incorrect as a minimum. Science is never absolute. Yes, but given how screwed up the models seem to be according to the ClimateGate data, there's no way these predictions deserve anything higher than a coin-toss probability of being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted January 9, 2010 #77 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Yes, but given how screwed up the models seem to be according to the ClimateGate data, there's no way these predictions deserve anything higher than a coin-toss probability of being right. He will now deflect by attacking ClimateGate. Ask for anything that has met his own assertion that a 95% confidence band is the minimum that would be accepted in science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted January 9, 2010 #78 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Yes, but given how screwed up the models seem to be according to the ClimateGate data, there's no way these predictions deserve anything higher than a coin-toss probability of being right. Well that is very much open to debate. The problem there is that other institutions have pretty much come to the same conclusions across various aspects of climatology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted January 9, 2010 #79 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Seems like a complete waste of a Sunday to me. Yup, thats my view on this man-made global warming faith and fear mongering. if you want to believe in it fine, just don't tell me I have to buy into this nonsense. its sad hoe the left is so into banning the word God in schools but at the same time push for this carbon tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted January 10, 2010 #80 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Yup, thats my view on this man-made global warming faith and fear mongering. if you want to believe in it fine, just don't tell me I have to buy into this nonsense. its sad hoe the left is so into banning the word God in schools but at the same time push for this carbon tax. Erm, no, not even remotely the same thing in the slightest. God in schools is unconstitutional and ergo, unAmerican. Separation of church and state, it exists for a reason. Iran is a good example of that reason. This shouldn't be about left and right either, it should be about the evidence, which is pretty much saying the planet is getting warmer and we are the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 10, 2010 #81 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted January 10, 2010 #82 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Separation of church and state means you can't mention God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllJay Posted January 10, 2010 #83 Share Posted January 10, 2010 No, its so we wouldn't have it like back in the medieval days when the church ran the show, and dictated all kinds of bollox in the name of God. Mostly made out of personal gain and on no divine grounds. S**t like "God inspired me to go to war with this country" should not be accepted as an excuse to decimate a whole culture. God and politics should not intertwine, neither should science and religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted January 10, 2010 #84 Share Posted January 10, 2010 How is a kid praying in school or a teacher saying the word "God" the same as the Church controlling the state and declaring religious war on every one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllJay Posted January 10, 2010 #85 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Its not. I'm all for personal religion in all kinds of ways, unless it hurts another person. I'm actually for it. Many people make their ways through the day, and their life relying on their faith which is good in all. But when religion becomes a political instrument, which in 99% of the times are just profit, revenge, and power-trips, it becomes lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted January 10, 2010 #86 Share Posted January 10, 2010 The US government and US law should be secular, yes, but I don't see how allowing people to talk about God in a school contradicts that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllJay Posted January 10, 2010 #87 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I don't think it does. Science classes should be based on science. Religious and philosophical classes should address religious and philosophical subjects. No one should be forced to do morning prayers, no one should be forced to read the Ten Commandments before lunch etc. If some kid like to pray before lunch he/she should have all their rights to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drj312 Posted January 10, 2010 #88 Share Posted January 10, 2010 If the summer is hot and dry, that's definite proof that your daily commute to work is causing the planet's climate to change. If the North American Continent experiences the coldest winter in decades, that's just weather, not climate, and certainly no indication that your gas-guzzling car is not causing the planet's climate to change... and oh, by the way, don't ever, ever, pay attention to the fact that the planet's climate has been experiencing constant change, from hot to cold and back again, throughout the planet's existence without mankind's assistance. And definitely, don't ever ponder how the planet experienced a much-warmer climate back in the days the Norse were sailing around and found a northern island which was so not ice-covered that they named it GREENland. they didnt name it Greenland. Especially since the Norse didnt speak modern English. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Etymology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cradle of Fish Posted January 10, 2010 #89 Share Posted January 10, 2010 WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BETTER People like you ruin Orwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCrimsonx Posted January 10, 2010 #90 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Thank you... I hope it's large size, it's just well you know ...king kong size. It's a genetic condition I'm proud of. LOL If ya've got em swing em, I say. Not out doors atm Lad coz they might snap off. Yeah I gave ya two large head size beanies one for each! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted January 10, 2010 #91 Share Posted January 10, 2010 they didnt name it Greenland. Especially since the Norse didnt speak modern English. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Etymology It's Grænland (Greenland)in Old Norse,ref. The Saga of Eric the Red, Grønland is modern Danish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted January 10, 2010 #92 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I don't think it does. Science classes should be based on science. Religious and philosophical classes should address religious and philosophical subjects. No one should be forced to do morning prayers, no one should be forced to read the Ten Commandments before lunch etc. If some kid like to pray before lunch he/she should have all their rights to do so. Exactly. And public school are part of government and should always be secular. If you want to pray you can do that in your own time or silently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted January 10, 2010 #93 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Erm, no, not even remotely the same thing in the slightest. They are both built on faith. This shouldn't be about left and right either, it should be about the evidence, which is pretty much saying the planet is getting warmer and we are the cause. Thats a bunch of BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted January 10, 2010 #94 Share Posted January 10, 2010 They are both built on faith. No, that is fundamentally not true I am afraid. Feel free to search the papers I have posted and provide a good critique them, you can point out why they are based on faith not evidence. Thats a bunch of BS No actually it isn't, see above for addressing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Umbarger Posted January 10, 2010 #95 Share Posted January 10, 2010 A while back, I was chastised because I stated that it wasn't convinced that it was any colder on the whole that it was thirty years ago. Now, I get chastised because I don't believe that "Global Warming" can make things cooler. I even caught flack when I mentioned that in the 1970's everyone was scared of a super ice age being only a few years off. If someone wants to believe in something as silly as Global Warming", I'm fine with that but, if they want me to take them seriously, they really should have a single story and stick to it. Not change it every few months. If my cat brings in fewer dead mice, that's a sign of fewer mice in the wild. If my cat brings in MORE mice, that's a sign of global mouse reduction too. Both can't be true and if either is, the other is counter indicated. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted January 10, 2010 #96 Share Posted January 10, 2010 No, that is fundamentally not true I am afraid. Feel free to search the papers I have posted and provide a good critique them, you can point out why they are based on faith not evidence. And you should go to to Church every Sunday and get closer to God. have hime turn the lights on for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted January 10, 2010 #97 Share Posted January 10, 2010 And you should go to to Church every Sunday and get closer to God. have hime turn the lights on for you. Scientific papers are not the same as that. Sorry, you believing they are doesn't make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drj312 Posted January 10, 2010 #98 Share Posted January 10, 2010 It's Grænland (Greenland)in Old Norse,ref. The Saga of Eric the Red, Grønland is modern Danish. sorry what i meant to point out was that the name means Land of the People. it doesnt literally mean Green Land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 10, 2010 #99 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) They are both built on faith. Thats a bunch of BS Education should not be based on faith nor included unless it's in a history class or a religious class. Man is responsible for the state of our oceans, that is very clear. CO2 is not the problem I agree there however a dead ocean combined with CO2 is. Just to add. Cap and trade is a garbage solution and Al Gore should jump off a cliff. Edited January 10, 2010 by The Silver Thong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted January 10, 2010 #100 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Scientific papers are not the same as that. Sorry, you believing they are doesn't make it so. But totally believing on faith any paper that seems to agree with his argument is fine as seen many times when he puts all his trust into the first paper on google scholar that contains the keywords that seem meet his 'point'. I don't remember Mattshark refuting a single argument in the recent 16 point summary of the "German Physicists Trash Global Warming" thread or any other thread where the science is called to question, then the 4th year animal-ologyist goes missing. I actually don't remember him actually making any scientific point ever, simply "here is a paper that I think agrees with me so thats the end of that and if you don't agree with it 100% you are stupid and unscientific". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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