Disgusting

[mypaddedroom]

That is sick! What were those dumba$$ people protesting?

[sabretooth]

what next protesting a child being born??

Who? When?

i'm referring to abortion clinics and pro life/pro choice demonstrators ( i dont believe in abortion for the record )

[+joc]

Pretty much the same here, I didn't enter the threads posted to commiserate his death, not out of respect for him... I didn't and don't have any, but rather out of respect for the fact that some fellow UM members have opposing views and have a right to express them without trollish behaviour on threads that reflect their sadness... This isn't such a thread, its about protests and responces after the death of a politician.....

Yes, I am quite sure you would be sooooooo greatful if the Marvelous, Wonderful, Caring, Kind, and Considerate Soviet Union had rolled its tanks into your part of the world......then you would have all had 100% (mandated) employment and little crime and your world would be oh so cheery..........

..and twere it not for the likes of Reagan And Thatcher that very well might have happened..

..........peace////////////////////out.................................

[stillcrazy]

After careful study of the photo, I find it an interesting mix of people.

There are only five signs being displayed. Two of them reading Reagan in hell, two reading Thank God>>>> something and the final one reads God Hates >>>> something.

Of the people who are not holding signs, an elderly lady holding a red, white and blue umbrella, has her hand over her heart. The elderly man next to her seems to be waiting to take a photo.

A young lady seems to be flashing the peace sign, or victrory symbol, depending on your point of view. Most of the others are either taking pictures or videos.

Again, I thank the Lord I am in a country that allows people to be complete idiots in public. I just wish someone would have gotten thier names so when they die, I can stand outside the church/funeral home and wave a sign that says THANK GOD YOUR DEAD, or PUBLIC IDIOT IN HELL. It would be no more disrespectful than what they did.

It doesn't matter if you liked Reagan or not. Being disrespectful to anyones family in a time of mourning is the lowest form of degeneration and degradation we have allowed people to stoop too. But then again, in today's society, nothing is sacred.

nuff said

Edited June 13, 2004 by stillcrazy

[+joc]

It doesn't matter if you liked Reagan or not. Being disrespectful to anyones family in a time of mourning is the lowest form of degeneration and degradation we have allowed people to stoop too. But then again, in today's society, nothing is sacred.

Well said StillCrazy!!

btw Fenris, Wunarm....I am not trying to pick a fight with you guys..your opinions of Lady Thatcher and President Reagan are what they are and I cannot change them........

.......but still...it seems to me that you seeth with hate at the mention of their names......

I cannot say what it is like to be in your shoes, unfortunately I have never had the opportunity to visit any country in Europe, and I genuinely do not understand the hate that runs so deep........

[Falco Rex]

I for one can't even believe there's a thread dedicated to whether this is distasteful or not. Shouldn't it be self evident?And say what you will about his policy, but during "Reaganomics", my family could actually afford to get out of public housing and leave the Ghetto behind. Never would have happened if Carter had been re-elected..

Edited June 13, 2004 by Falco Rex

[DC09]

I genuinely do not understand the hate that runs so deep........

Well, there are people in America who seeth with hate toward President Bush. Can't say I understand that either.

[stillcrazy]

Well, there are people in America who seeth with hate toward President Bush. Can't say I understand that either.

I'm just as confused as you two are. I don't like alot of Bush's politics, just like I didn't like Clinton's, Bush Sr.'s, Reagan's Ford's, Carter's, Nixon's Johnson's, or Kennedy's. But I would never show that kind of disrespect for anyone's family by holding up a sign that said "so and so in hell", or "Thank God your dead."

Falco Rex, thanks for your comments. It seems that a lot of the liberals seem to forget that in EVERY presidency there is good and bad. It comes with the territory.

My suggestion to all others who complain about any politician, If you can do it better, run for office. It's that simple. Don't be a armchair poltician, get off your lazy carcass and make a difference. You will be no worse off than ya are now.

Nuff ranting.

BTW: thanks Joc.

Edited June 13, 2004 by stillcrazy

[Fenris]

btw Fenris, Wunarm....I am not trying to pick a fight with you guys..your opinions of Lady Thatcher and President Reagan are what they are and I cannot change them........

As I said, you where again commenting about things you didn't have the first clue about.... Notice how, in the main its the Americans who like her whilst those who loathe her all had to suffer living in the damage she did to THIS country!

That in itself should be a big indicator of her true nature..... There hasn't been a politician before or since (Outside of the BNP) that has been quite that dispised

Oh and as for the russian tanks comment.... do try to post like you where born in '57 as you claim rather than '87 which I would expect that level of nievity from. No Soviet government since about the early 50's has had the political will to mount that large scale an attack on the west.... as shown so clearly in the latter stages of their downfall, they haven't had the infrastructure neccessary for a LONG time.

Besides, they where mislabled, they may have preached communism, but they practiced state capitalism (Where the corrupt governing class lives the high life on the backs of the underclass) which sort of takes the legs out from such mis-informed comments!

[Guest Lottie]

I think hate etc towards presidents/prime ministers come with the job. I am sure these men and women know what they are letting themselves in for and I only imagine it takes a certain type of person to want a job like this in the first place.

As for demonstrations outside the funeral, this all comes with who Reagan was. However take away the fact that he was a president and that he was another man like everyone else on this planet and I find the demonstrations very disrespectful and in poor taste towards his family. After all his family are the people left behind and these are the people seeing all this, not the ex-president. That must be pretty tough.

[wunarmdscissor]

btw Fenris, Wunarm....I am not trying to pick a fight with you guys..your opinions of Lady Thatcher and President Reagan are what they are and I cannot change them........

Joc i never made ne comment about reagon whatsoever.

Your comment about soviet tanks is just laughable.

joc mate you really suffer from paranoia.

Back on the hag.

We hate thatcher because of what she did to us .

Simple as that.

[+joc]

No Soviet government since about the early 50's has had the political will to mount that large scale an attack on the west.... as shown so clearly in the latter stages of their downfall, they haven't had the infrastructure neccessary for a LONG time.

Besides, they where mislabled, they may have preached communism, but they practiced state capitalism (Where the corrupt governing class lives the high life on the backs of the underclass) which sort of takes the legs out from such mis-informed comments!

Whilst the Soviets did if fact invade many countries, their motus operindi was to take over from within...once they succeeded the tanks did roll through the streets....I was not meaning to suggest that they would have taken Britain by force...as Cruzev once said, 'America will fall into our hands like a rotten apple by 1985'. If not for Reagan and Thatcher's will and resolve that might have been the case. I don't know what Thatcher did in your country....do you then long for the 'good ole days' of Socialism? Which you say your country is not now?

[reese2]

As I said, you where again commenting about things you didn't have the first clue about.... Notice how, in the main its the Americans who like her whilst those who loathe her all had to suffer living in the damage she did to THIS country!

Fenris-

I am getting the feeling that you and Joc just don't get a long... (Hmm, maybe a little ESP going on, on my part, eh?)

Well, I for one, and tired of hearig everyone go at it back and forth about people's opinion.. We are all entitled to it.

Please, educate me about specific things Margaret Thatcher has done to your country. (Because right now, what is swirling around and around is your difference of opinion with Joc) You seem very knowledgable, and I don't know either way, so I would really like a lesson about it. (So, that I may make my own decision, not that it matters here at all) So go on now, bring it....

Reese

[Talon]

Besides, they where mislabled, they may have preached communism, but they practiced state capitalism (Where the corrupt governing class lives the high life on the backs of the underclass) which sort of takes the legs out from such mis-informed comments!

State capitalism? I think you main State Fascism

[+joc]

I am getting the feeling that you and Joc just don't get a long...

I thought we were getting along splendidly! I clash horns with many on this forum when it comes to our ideological persuasions, but sooner or later, we all find common ground to stand on. To date I have found areas of agreement with:

Talon, Seraphina, Fluffybunny, Wunarmedscissor, BA, to name a few. Eventually, Fenris and I will agree on something. I am sure of it. Albeit the virtues of Lady Thatcher and President Reagan will not make the agreement list.

Where is Seraphina anyway?

[reese2]

Joc-

Well, there is still a little matter you have 'forgot' to broach with me, in the Demon thread.. I would like to think that it isn't because you worry about 'locking horns' with me on it, just that you are still too tired to go there just yet.... One day, you will have to revisit it, and tell me what you meant with all that talk of dimensions ... ( I have been very patient)

As for Seraphina... I don't really know where she could be.....

Reese

Edited June 14, 2004 by Magikman

[Talon]

Where is Seraphina anyway?

England, Stafford outside Birmingham, staying with a friend from another forum we used to go to. Went Tuesday 1st I think , was suppost to get back last Thursday, but appartently she's decided to stay another week.

[Fenris]

Please, educate me about specific things Margaret Thatcher has done to your country. (Because right now, what is swirling around and around is your difference of opinion with Joc) You seem very knowledgable, and I don't know either way, so I would really like a lesson about it. (So, that I may make my own decision, not that it matters here at all) So go on now, bring it....   

I've already touched on part of it. There is a BIG diffrence in what was probably reported abroad and in what acctualy occured 'on the ground' here in the UK.

Now the miners strike thing did need dealing with, Scargil was a septic boil that needed bursting. However the union system as a whole did a lot of good for the working classes, it needed reforming, not exterminating...... Being further right wing than attila the hun, Thatcher used the opportunity to hammer the entire union system, effectivly cripple it (Which leads to the current situation where the only way to effect managements treatment of you workers is EXTREAM militancy, with the way Thatcher left the remains all other means can be and regularly is, just dismissed out of hand by management)

Also the government actions during the strike where underhand and worthy of Thatchers friend Pinochete... I was part of a peaceful picket at a dock where coal was being brought in from other countrys. We had a good working relationship with the local police. The lorry drivers where being asked not to cross the line (Some did, some didn't) but that was all. Polite conversation for the most part, a few folks raising their voices to shout 'scab' or other innane things at those who crossed but nothing more.

Then one of the cops told us we had best be careful the next weekend because the London Met where being sent up to replace them for a few days and there WOULD be trouble! The Dock was in the North west of england, the Met where used in the same manner as dictators use troops.

Sure enough, come Saturday the Local cops where absent and the Met where there in force.... there where about 50 of us like there had been for weeks. There where between 150-200 Met police in full riot gear, helmets, shields, horses, batons the works..... we where still discussing which of the union reps would act as spokesman that day (The guy who usualy acted as police liason was late) when for NO DAMN REASON, we where baton charged! Several people where hospitalised... ALL picket line members (I don't support violent protest.... but self defence, damn right and yes, I like the rest fought back)

The media coverage was quite interesting, closely cropped to show as few officers as possible and trying to make out that they didn't start it.... I WAS THERE, I 'KNOW' what happened!

This is just one example of how she treated the people of this country and not even the worst.... just the one where I was actualy directly involved.

She supported dictators because she WAS a dictator, Provoked a war to bolster her own re-election chances by wrapping herself in a ferver of nationalistic bull****, Imposed the Poll Tax which increaced the burden on the poor massivly (My rates where about £90 a year for the house I was in, the poll tax was almost £300 and that was per person... that was £600 for my household alone!). There is more, but I think I've covered the salient points, I'll let Talon discrible how the Scots where treated by her. I am a Scot but I was living south of the border at the time!

Edited June 14, 2004 by Fenris

[wunarmdscissor]

yeah an reese if you need anymore there is plenty

[Talon]

I am a Scot but I was living south of the border at the time!

Dear god, we're everywhere.

There is more, but I think I've covered the salient points, I'll let Talon discrible how the Scots where treated by her.

Well its getting off topic, but since you asked I'll do it

* In the first two years of the Thatcher administration Scotland lost a fifth of its jobs.

* Lowering inflation was the priority, at the expense of public expenditure and Trade Unions. Nationalised industries were privitised

* Government invest in Scottish industry was withdrawn meaning that our traditional industries feel apart. In Lanarkshire the steelworks were closed down because there were English steelworks were prefered. Ravenscraig steelworks were also run down, finally shutting in June 1993. The Linwood car plant closed in 1981. Thousands of jobs were lost at the Singer Sewing Machine Factory in Clydebank. The textile industry was also put to rest, including the famous jute trade in Dundee.

* Thatcher bought foreign coal and refused to buy coal from mines inside the Uk if they were from Scotland. Coal miners were hit very badly - 15 pits falling to two pits throughout the 80s.

* Clyde Shipyards which had for 300 years produced the majority of the UK's navy fell apart due to foreign competition and Thatcher did not blink despite thousands of jobs being lost.

* Scottish unemployement was at 340,000, which was proportionally worse than England's, and the worse in Scotland in 50 years,

* the gap between the rich and the poor was widened to its greatest level

* In 1979 at a Referendum for Scottish devolution the majority voted in favour, but the following Thatcher government said it was not valid due to low turn out and ignored it. The same Referendum in 1997 under Labour was finally accepted.

* The Conservatives only held around seventeen parliamentary seats in Scotland, while Labour and the SNP held most of the others. Scotland was constantly voting Labour but Tory governments where being voted in by England who outnumber us 10 to 1. Thats why we call her a dictator, cause she was in charge of our country even though it was Labour we were voting for.

* ...oh and then there is this little thing called the Poll Tax. Officially known as Community Charge and was introduced to Scotland in 1989. It was considered to be an unfair tax as all individuals had to pay the same regardless of income. We protested, Labour and SNP lodged complains and told us not to pay, there were riots. Thatcher couldn't care less. In 1990 the rest of the UK got it (Scots to Thatcher were little more than test subjects), a rally in London later and Thatcher's reign of evil comes to an end.

And that is why we hate her.

I leave you with a quote from the Scotsman, which should be noted is a pro-Conservative paper (which signifies how bad she must have been if they were against her):

"Thatcher was not some close approximation of evil. She was evil." (Bill Jamieson)

Back to topic - Indeed there is something morbid about demonstrating at a funeral, however I'm probably not the best to say such things as I will be celebrating at the funeral of the above individual. And I won't be alone.

[SerenitysRiver]

And to comment on the original topic. . . . .

I think it is disgusting to hold up signs like that at a funeral. I wasn't a fan of his policies, but he did do some good. Better than Bush is now. (I'm not for Bush at all. I'm not blaming him for all things wrong with creation or anything, but he's not on my good list at all. . . .)

I think there's something sacred about death where you just don't do things like that. One- there are people in grief who are going to be hurt by your hateful message. Two- humans, as a whole, are somewhat frightened of death. To mock the importance of someone's passing in such a hateful way I think taps into a very sensetive nerve in the human psyche. One of the ways we "live forever" is through the memories and stories other people tell about us after we're gone. I think it's very disturbing if, when in the freshest and most vulnerable stage of death (from the living point of view) we are mocked and hated and condemned, some subconsciously fear that the same thing could happen to them. They may not realise it, but the respect given to the dead is not there to help the dead (on a physical level, there's nothing that can effect them anymore), it is done to comfort the living, to make our mortal lives seem more important.

[Phenomenon]

Lady Thatcher as you so eloquently put it was a hateful b**** who caused millions to become unemployed, made millions in my country poverty stricken, supported and armed saddam husseign and general pinochet to name but 2 of her tyrannical and evil cronies.

She is personally resonsible for the gap netween poverty and rich bein so wide.

She has the blood of those who suffered at their hands on her hands.

She was extrem,ley racist towards the scottish and irish , poll tax on us alone as one example.

maybe u should get your facts right before supporting "lady thatcher".

I think supporting an arming murderous dictaors, causing millions to live in poverty is enough reason to have hatred for her.

Suffice to say i will NOT shed a tear wen she goes.

Totally over the top as per usual.