eqgumby Posted February 8, 2010 #51 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Still Pseudo the Article has no mention on if they are Muslim or not so i do not understand why people started bringing up Islam. They funny thing is these are the same people who look for proof before speaking. Because MOST of us here in the civilized world recognize that Islam supports murder, degradation, and enslavement of women and non-believers. MOST of us realize that Islam is a throwback to the dark ages when the Church WAS the state, and tyranny and fear were the norm. You can polish that turd all you want, in the end, it's just a shiny turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted February 8, 2010 #52 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Because MOST of us here in the civilized world recognize that Islam supports murder, degradation, and enslavement of women and non-believers. MOST of us realize that Islam is a throwback to the dark ages when the Church WAS the state, and tyranny and fear were the norm. You can polish that turd all you want, in the end, it's just a shiny turd. *spits coffee all over desk* Turkish man accused of burying daughter alive faces life Prosecutors are seeking life in jail for the father and grandfather of a girl who was buried alive for befriending boys, local judicial sources said yesterday. The pair were arrested after the body of 16-year-old M.M. was found in a sitting position with her hands tied, in a hole in a chicken pen outside her house in the town of Kahta in Adiyaman province, 40 days after she went missing. A postmortem showed a significant amount of soil in her lungs and stomach, meaning she was buried alive, forensic experts have said. Her father Ayhan Memi, 40, and grandfather Fethi Memi, 65, have refused to talk to investigators and prosecutors since their arrest in early December. The judicial source said they would likely face a charge of "premeditated homicide with aggravating circumstances, perpetrated with cruelty" being drawn up by prosecutors. More of the article here: Link ------------------------------------------ Sometimes it just isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted February 8, 2010 #53 Share Posted February 8, 2010 *spits coffee all over desk* Turkish man accused of burying daughter alive faces life Prosecutors are seeking life in jail for the father and grandfather of a girl who was buried alive for befriending boys, local judicial sources said yesterday. The pair were arrested after the body of 16-year-old M.M. was found in a sitting position with her hands tied, in a hole in a chicken pen outside her house in the town of Kahta in Adiyaman province, 40 days after she went missing. A postmortem showed a significant amount of soil in her lungs and stomach, meaning she was buried alive, forensic experts have said. Her father Ayhan Memi, 40, and grandfather Fethi Memi, 65, have refused to talk to investigators and prosecutors since their arrest in early December. The judicial source said they would likely face a charge of "premeditated homicide with aggravating circumstances, perpetrated with cruelty" being drawn up by prosecutors. More of the article here: Link ------------------------------------------ Sometimes it just isn't enough. these guys not only killed this poor kid but they tried to hide it by buring her in the chicken coop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eqgumby Posted February 9, 2010 #54 Share Posted February 9, 2010 *spits coffee all over desk* *snip* More of the article here: Link ------------------------------------------ Sometimes it just isn't enough. Got ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted February 9, 2010 #55 Share Posted February 9, 2010 after thinking about this for a very little time. these two men need to be buried up to their chins in the same chicken coop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted February 10, 2010 #56 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I believe we should give credit where credit's due and at least recognise the actions taken by the Turkish Govt and Law Enforcement because the culprits are likely to face charges of premeditated homicide with aggravating circumstances, perpetrated with cruelty. I'd probably do a backward somersault with a 3.6 degree of difficulty if that ever happened in an Islamic country run by Islamic Laws, i.e. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen etc. As others said, Turkey is a Secular nation but unfortunately some regions (specially in the Asian part) are still living in the dark ages. I'm sure the Turkish Govt knows this as well and know they have still quite a bit of "westernisation" to do, before the EU is convinced to accept them in the brotherhood. IMO this case is comparable to other disgusting cases that have happened in recent times in the west with pedophile fathers raping, imprisoning and having children with their own daughters. I wouldn't compare it to crimes that happen almost daily in certain Islamic countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMelsWell Posted February 10, 2010 #57 Share Posted February 10, 2010 tell that to the british couple that were arrested in, i think, the emerites, you know the muslim couple that were arrested and sentenced to be stoned for having sex out of wed lock. now if they had been christians, the muslims would have looked the other way or deported them. Last time I checked... the UAE wasn't in or even anywhere near Turkey. Just so you're clear, you do realize that part of Turkey is in Europe right? And part is in Asia? Turkey isn't considered a Muslim nation, they don't have a national religion, and their culture is a LOT different than the middle east. No one in Turkey gets sentenced to a good old fashioned stoning. It's a secular country. In fact, I visited some marvelous beaches in south western Turkey this summer (Kusadasi) those beaches were full of scantily clad ladies and gents (mostly europeans) cavorting in the warm waters of the Agean sea. I totally plan to go back to Kusadai for vacation and plunk my bikini clad bod on a beach towel and grab a most excellent tan. Now, there are parts of Turkey that border Iran, Iraq and Syria. They get a lot of immigrants, I'm sure both legal, illegal and refugee, in the eastern parts of the country which are more rural. You will likely get families that still observe the laws of their home countries and religions, but they aren't approved of by the Turkish government Make no mistake, these are individual groups of people operating on their own laws, not the laws of the country they're living in. We get the same darn thing in the USA too wtih our immigrants that hold to their sometimes bewildering cultures we as westerners don't understand. (Turkey also borders parts of the former Soviet Union, Georgia and Armenia, and their immigrants influence culture in those areas of Turkey as well) Visting Turkey is nothing like visiting the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait or other more traditional muslim nations. Oh, and I'd totally visit the UAE if given the opportunity. However, i don't think I'd ever visit Saudi Arabia, I do believe that might make me uncomfortable based on what I know today. I'm willing to hear a justification for why I should visit the Kingdom though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMelsWell Posted February 10, 2010 #58 Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Double Post. Thanks UM. LOL Edited February 10, 2010 by MissMelsWell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMelsWell Posted February 10, 2010 #59 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Your glasses are slightly tinted, you will be robbed, conned, fall for a scam or even rapped if you give the opportunity, Turk's are the women (young girls) traffickers of Europe. I could get that in Seattle too... Oh ya, I was beaten up and robbed right up the street from the Microsoft Campus in suburban Seattle. That can happen anywhere. I still feel as safe in Istanbul or other cities I visited in Turkey as I do at home here in the PNW. But as I pointed out, I don't feel that safe in other cities around the world. I'm a savvy traveler, I don't give anyone the opportunity... not when I'm out of the country, not when I'm up the street from my house in my neigborhood where I've lived for 43 years. And ya, I will agree... some Turkish men are fairly aggressive. I figured out how to handle them pretty quickly. Confidence, upright carriage, eye contact and making your intentions clear as a bell go a LONG way--no matter where you are. I've had MORE problems in other countries (far east) with men who are overly intrigued by a small blonde blue eyed gal like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.B. Posted February 11, 2010 #60 Share Posted February 11, 2010 If you want safety, find a padded room. Nowhere in the world is 100%. Best thing to do is go in big groups with people you trust, and know some form of heavy self defense, like Escrima or Jiujitsu. Barring those two, a handy can of something painful on the skin and eyes will just have to do. But stay in groups when you go overseas. Much better that way. Not even a Turkish gang would mess with a large group of mean looking men walking with a pack of what they could consider potential slave girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted February 11, 2010 #61 Share Posted February 11, 2010 the turkey government is going to do what it thinks is the best thing for it to do to stay in power. if it feels that convicting these men will cause a revolt they won't convict them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 11, 2010 #62 Share Posted February 11, 2010 the turkey government is going to do what it thinks is the best thing for it to do to stay in power. if it feels that convicting these men will cause a revolt they won't convict them. that's it. i'm convinced you just post the first thing that comes to your head for the sake of posting. keep up the good work! i would love to know your thought process in reaching the conclusions that you do, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted February 11, 2010 #63 Share Posted February 11, 2010 that's it. i'm convinced you just post the first thing that comes to your head for the sake of posting. keep up the good work! i would love to know your thought process in reaching the conclusions that you do, by the way. the majority of the people in turkey are muslim. they already have a group that wants to break away anyways. this could be the excuse to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 11, 2010 #64 Share Posted February 11, 2010 the majority of the people in turkey are muslim. they already have a group that wants to break away anyways. this could be the excuse to do so. have you read none of the informative replies made in this thread? by your reply, i'm guessing not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.B. Posted February 11, 2010 #65 Share Posted February 11, 2010 That's the first I've heard of a group wanting to break away. . . so could you elaborate on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted February 11, 2010 #66 Share Posted February 11, 2010 That's the first I've heard of a group wanting to break away. . . so could you elaborate on that? can't think of the name of the group but they live in turkey iraq and iran in the same area, the kurds i think. something called kurdistan which overlaps all three countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.B. Posted February 11, 2010 #67 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Oh, right, the Kurds. Forgot about them. They are what they are, and have been living in their area since Alexander the Great's time. Personally, I think Kurdistan should be allowed to form. They're actually neutral to the rest of the world, they just want the warlords to leave their dang mountains alone for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARAB0D Posted February 12, 2010 #68 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Oh, right, the Kurds. Forgot about them. They are what they are, and have been living in their area since Alexander the Great's time. Personally, I think Kurdistan should be allowed to form. They're actually neutral to the rest of the world, they just want the warlords to leave their dang mountains alone for once. Nay no Kurds! In Oz I was having beer with them, followed by pork beer sticks. They are also secular. The Muslim group, ready to separate is probably their ruling Islamic party, but these want to separate from USA, not from the other Turks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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