blinx Posted February 11, 2010 #1 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) are the anatomically modern humans(homo sapiens sapiens)more like pigs and swines than any other species and subspecies of primates and hominids largely in terms of intelligence and diet? Edited February 11, 2010 by blinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent. Mulder Posted February 11, 2010 #2 Share Posted February 11, 2010 are the anatomically modern humans(homo sapiens sapiens)more like pigs and swines than any other species and subspecies of primates and hominids largely in terms of intelligence and diet? umm, maybe in terms of diet, and some anatomy with our organs i guess. and i havent seen pigs able to solve the problems apes can. but since we ARE apes, no, we are not closer to pigs than primates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #3 Share Posted February 11, 2010 umm, maybe in terms of diet, and some anatomy with our organs i guess. and i havent seen pigs able to solve the problems apes can. but since we ARE apes, no, we are not closer to pigs than primates. how come they use pig hearts n other organs 4 transplants and not apes then? and i remember sumthin on the news a few year ago about how pigs can play proper simple computer games, how u gonna explain that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clobhair-cean Posted February 11, 2010 #4 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Pigs are clever, but not on par with Chimpanzees. They are also omnivores, but even in that respect, Chimps eat stuff more similar to us then to pigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #5 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) aint it weird how the bible and koran have rules against eating pork,but no rules against monkey meat? Edited February 11, 2010 by blinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted February 11, 2010 #6 Share Posted February 11, 2010 how come they use pig hearts n other organs 4 transplants and not apes then? and i remember sumthin on the news a few year ago about how pigs can play proper simple computer games, how u gonna explain that? Because we can breed pigs for such a thing and they are common, where as other apes are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted February 11, 2010 #7 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) aint it weird how the bible and koran have rules against eating pork,but not monkey meat? Apes aren't monkeys and nor are they found in the area's were those texts come from. Also, we are genetically more similar to rabbits than to pigs Mammalian phylogenetic tree Edited February 11, 2010 by Mattshark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluey Posted February 11, 2010 #8 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) are the anatomically modern humans(homo sapiens sapiens)more like pigs and swines than any other species and subspecies of primates and hominids largely in terms of intelligence and diet? well...we don't roll in mud,and devour everything in site like our fellow swines.........although compared to ape's............most homosapiens scratch their ass's..but not pic fleas of each other or eat them(not in my experience )...so are you asking which is more intelligent and more diet conscious?????.....well i know i'm not stupid and i love bacon......... ...and haven't eaten any good ape's lately..... Edited February 11, 2010 by cluey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #9 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Because we can breed pigs for such a thing and they are common, where as other apes are not. yeah but if they werent related to us surely transplants wouldnt work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #10 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Apes aren't monkeys and nor are they found in the area's were those texts come from. alright apes then dont act like u didnt no wot i meant LOL by the area i supose u mean the middle east? well pigs dont live there either pal so why would it say not 2 eat pork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted February 11, 2010 #11 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) yeah but if they werent related to us surely transplants wouldnt work? Why not? Never heard of convergent evolution? Especially since the domestic pig is pretty much a human construct. Edited February 11, 2010 by Mattshark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #12 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Why not? Never heard of convergent evolution? Especially since the domestic pig is pretty much a human construct. yeah pigs come from boars wot live in europe not in the middle east n wot u mean by convergent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted February 11, 2010 #13 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) yeah pigs come from boars wot live in europe not in the middle east n wot u mean by convergent Yep, the wild boar is actually the same species as the domestic pig, but it is quite a different animal. Convergent Evolution On the tree btw, pigs are in Cetartiodactyla along with sheep, goats, cows, deer, hippos and whales and dolphins. Edited February 11, 2010 by Mattshark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #14 Share Posted February 11, 2010 right i get u now but it dont explain how ppl can get transplants off pigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted February 11, 2010 #15 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) right i get u now but it dont explain how ppl can get transplants off pigs We convergently evolved by having a similar diet meaning a similar liver, but not all pig organs are usable in us. Our brains are unsurprisingly quite different as are our digestive systems. It should be noted that we are not at the stage where this is fully available to us, 2 years ago we were still a decade away from this and it would probably be a lot easier with apes, but we don't farm them. Edited February 11, 2010 by Mattshark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #16 Share Posted February 11, 2010 http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Xenograft.html interesting read that The first cross-species heart transplant was performed in 1964, in which a 68-year-old man received a chimpanzee heart. He survived only two hours. Several other attempts have been made to transplant primate hearts into humans, with no patients surviving more than twenty-one days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #17 Share Posted February 11, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/424956.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 11, 2010 Author #18 Share Posted February 11, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/142618.stm Mr Dobson said the regulation of xenotransplantation would have statutory backing.He stressed the government's view that Great Apes - chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans - should not be used in any xenotransplant because they were the animals most likely to harbour viruses which could jump the species barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted February 11, 2010 #19 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Have you seen how old these articles are? It has been over 10 years and no complete transplant has ever been done. Why do you think they believe there is more risk of zoonosis with apes? Because they are far closer to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 12, 2010 Author #20 Share Posted February 12, 2010 any1 else believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanderz Posted February 12, 2010 #21 Share Posted February 12, 2010 are the anatomically modern humans(homo sapiens sapiens)more like pigs and swines than any other species and subspecies of primates and hominids largely in terms of intelligence and diet? Anatomically we're closer to pigs, genetically however, we're closer to apes. Simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 12, 2010 Author #22 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Anatomically we're closer to pigs, genetically however, we're closer to apes. Simple as that perhaps we're some sort of experiment by aliens thousands of years ago, could be a mix of all sorts of species Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent. Mulder Posted February 12, 2010 #23 Share Posted February 12, 2010 perhaps we're some sort of experiment by aliens thousands of years ago, could be a mix of all sorts of species hmmm, no. but, perhaps, it could just be biology and evolution? i think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted February 12, 2010 #24 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Anatomically we're closer to pigs, genetically however, we're closer to apes. Simple as that No, in both genetically and anatomically we are closer to apes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinx Posted February 14, 2010 Author #25 Share Posted February 14, 2010 just seen something on telly what sez pigs are smarter than dogs n cats, and thats pretty smart, maybe we really did evolve from pig like creatures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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