The Rh Neg Blood Type - Nephilim bloodline

[Grimmace]

Dinosaurs ARE Nephilim, the animal hybrid nephilim anyway

Great Caesar's Ghost! Man, those Nephilim, beyond being marauding fallen angels, were sexual deviants as well?!?

I would like some sort of reference on this statement, even if it is out of your Book of Enoch. Hell, even if it is out of a comic book... I'll even accept a reference from another unreferenced website.

[chaoszerg]

Great Caesar's Ghost! Man, those Nephilim, beyond being marauding fallen angels, were sexual deviants as well?!?

Randy buggers, it seems everything was fair game to them.

[theGhost_and_theDarkness]

So...birds are Nephilim?

Nibs

Duh! They have wings don't they! Geez, nibs, get with the picture!

Hahaha, just messing with you!

*Hisss*

*hisssssss* We are ssssupposed to be keeping our identities sssecret so no one suspects usss when we take over the world. *purrrrrrrrr* We need to be more careful!

[counterveil]

I'm O-Neg, 100% un-caucasian Southeast-Asian as far back as anyone can trace.

People with RH-negative blood group have certain characteristics that seem to be common among the majority. Here is a brief list of the most common.

¨ Extra vertebra.

I don't know, but I'm very flexible even at my age.

¨ Higher than average IQ

I don't know about now, I was in the GATE program in my youth. I don't think High IQ is an indicator of any kind of success or specialness, I've met lots of really smart people who had average IQs.

¨ More sensitive vision and other senses.

Yes, I have a very good sense of smell.

¨ Lower body temperature

Very average

¨ Higher blood pressure

Very average

¨ Increased occurrence of psychic/intuitive abilities

I have strong awareness of surroundings, but I don't believe in psychic powers. IMO "intuition" is just fast calculation of what is perceived into a logical response.

¨ Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes

Very dark brown, naturally.

¨ Red or reddish hair

Very black black, naturally.

¨ Has increased sensitivity to heat and sunlight

Not really, I'm dark-skinned, very rarely get sunburnt. I do have skin allergies that occasionally suck, but that's nothing. Sunlight doesn't bother me, but I tend to prefer fog and cold.

¨ Cannot be cloned

¨ Alien Abduction and other unexplained phenomenon

Sources and science needed. Claiming these as fact requires such.

So what does this mean? What can be concluded?

Well, since I seem to exhibit all of your strengths and none of your weaknesses, it appears that the "superior" Nephilim sired/birthed my ancestors.

Does a statement like that require a emoticon?

[Salami Swami]

hey im rh-

[Doc Socks Junior]

hey im rh-

So, you're an angel, human, dinosaur, bird combo? At least, from what I've read on this thread so far.

[Grimmace]

So, you're an angel, human, dinosaur, bird combo? At least, from what I've read on this thread so far.

That would be angel human, non-primate, cousin of dinosaurs.

[Doc Socks Junior]

That would be angel human, non-primate, cousin of dinosaurs.

Okay, that's a better situation, I guess.

[Indiogene]

All I know is we have yet discovered the true meaning in the questionable origin of RH+ people in the history of human evolution, the high rate of intelligence of many RH+ people as well autism may be genetic yet I have no information relating to RH+ frequency, and how come certain nationalities associated with RH+ further complicates the issue.

Earlier, I was referring to the documented high risk of miscarriages in cross-breed fetuses by RH different parents is well known. Was there a biological cause of the human antibody evolved in one separate blood type to reject another blood type, such as a fetus originated from another Rh blood type parent? And another theory came to mind: the Nephilim must be responsible for bioengineering a human genetic regulatory method of intermixture of two separate RH blood types.

[The Big Boss]

All I know is we have yet discovered the true meaning in the questionable origin of RH+ people in the history of human evolution, the high rate of intelligence of many RH+ people as well autism may be genetic yet I have no information relating to RH+ frequency, and how come certain nationalities associated with RH+ further complicates the issue.

Arc, the RH+ is a protein found on the blood cell. It was found on the Rhesus monkey (hence where RH comes from) and provided a possible connection between people and other primates. Its simple, RH+ means you test positive for the protein (in which people here are arguing that you have monkey blood) and rest test negative. So, it is understood where the protein comes from, but this topic is about RH- whom science has yet to give a detailed explanation to their origin.

I think you had a simple mix up between RH+/-. Not having facts straight can really hurt your argument. Just a little constructive criticism.

[Indiogene]

That's what you get when one is tired and starts to get sleepy, then write in a somewhat strange manner (my apologies). I used the wrong symbol and I know mathematics enough to understand symbols.(plus is positive and minus is negative). So, who am I too is related to a few monkeys? 99.99% of mankind descended from an earlier species of primates before the genus order branched into monkeys, chimpanzees, orangutans and gorillas.

[Grimmace]

Okay, that's a better situation, I guess.

Sorry... I didn't mean to follow it this closely..... I am actually embarrassed.

[Copasetic]

Arc, the RH+ is a protein found on the blood cell. It was found on the Rhesus monkey (hence where RH comes from) and provided a possible connection between people and other primates. Its simple, RH+ means you test positive for the protein (in which people here are arguing that you have monkey blood) and rest test negative. So, it is understood where the protein comes from, but this topic is about RH- whom science has yet to give a detailed explanation to their origin.

I think you had a simple mix up between RH+/-. Not having facts straight can really hurt your argument. Just a little constructive criticism.

Again, if people would read the topic they wouldn't miss stuff.

As I pointed out before, the RH protein is named after a similar protein found in Rhesus monkeys, where they were first discovered. It doesn't mean its the same protein, they used the name to describe that whole class of proteins.

The reason other primates have such similar proteins is because all primates share a common ancestor.

[Copasetic]

All I know is we have yet discovered the true meaning in the questionable origin of RH+ people in the history of human evolution, the high rate of intelligence of many RH+ people as well autism may be genetic yet I have no information relating to RH+ frequency, and how come certain nationalities associated with RH+ further complicates the issue.

Because certain nationalities share more common ancestry than the population at large.

Earlier, I was referring to the documented high risk of miscarriages in cross-breed fetuses by RH different parents is well known. Was there a biological cause of the human antibody evolved in one separate blood type to reject another blood type, such as a fetus originated from another Rh blood type parent? And another theory came to mind: the Nephilim must be responsible for bioengineering a human genetic regulatory method of intermixture of two separate RH blood types.

The immune system works on the principle of recognizing 'self' from 'not-self'. This can cause problems when an offspring being carried by the mother has significantly different genes received from the father. In this case, the mothers immune system picks up the Rh antigen found on the fetus's cells and recognizes them as 'not self'. The immune system then does what it is programed to do, and makes antibodies against the 'not-self' invader (the poor fetus in this case).

[SlimJim22]

According to sumerian myth, the fallen angels were ugly beings. Their human hybrid offsprings were called deformed people. The god destroyed the world because of fornication between human and angels, and Noah was choosen not likely because he was a hybrid but he was a pure human. Some amerindian myths also have the similiar legend of the deform race, which was cursed to speak different languages so that they can never unite themsevlevs as a family. I do believe, fallen angel intervened into human society before the flood and thus created a hybrid stock of half-human, half-angels which led the earliest form of civilization. According to my theory, those who were saved by god were pure humans, not guilty for breeding with the angels; and those who were guilty were saved by their own expertise to land on the worlds 2 highest ridges during the flood, including Tibet, Andean mountain. From Tibet, the niphilims created sumerian civilization and ancient Egypt; and from the Andean mountains, they created mayan, inca civilizations. You can see many similiarities between the these civilization on the 2 continents. During the flood, the niphilim race had to split up to save themselves on 2 different world roofs, this maybe the meaning how they were cursed to be split from each others.

I very much respect and am researching the nephilim and dragon line theories but I have an alternative that may not require anything metaphysical. So, Satan in Genesis was actually know as Samael, right or was that some later author like Milton?

The mother of Dionysus was Semele. They are pretty similar and Dionysus is thought to have travelled far to the east and would assumably be classed a Nephilim. Now what if Samael and Semele link to Somalia? Could some alien looking African people have made their way into the Levant bringing their serpent cult with them and this was how Sumeria and Egyptian stories began. They were not ETs or ITs but would have seemed quite alien looking and the subsequent mixing of races could have brought about some seemingly odd or ugly appearances.

It is just one possinility but there is the strange point that gods were often depicted with blue skin. This could have been started by dark black skin that appeared blue to the red, pink and yellow skinned people of Asia. I would prefer some inter dimensional spirit travellers but is the idea more feasable considering the Somali and archeological links.

[Sylent Nyte]

Where there is uncertainty, man is quick to insert anything to plug the void. Remain skeptical at all times.

Or should that be 'ssskeptical'?...

Best introduction to this controversy

Of the human blood types, O is the most common. It is a universal blood type. Blood types are further broken down into two groups, negative and positive. This is called the RH factor. The RH factor is the Rhesus (rhesus as in monkey) blood factor.

If your blood tests positive for this, you have the factor in your blood. If you test negative, you do not have the factor in your blood.

The RH factor is a protein found in the human blood that is directly linked to the Rhesus Monkey.

When blood type is inherited from your parents, it is known that this factor element of the blood is the most consistent human or animal characteristic passed on to the off spring.

There are VERY few aberrations. It rarely changes.

Most people, about 85%, have RH-positive blood. That could support the idea that humans evolved or were derived from Primates. 15 % of humans have RH-negative blood.

If blood type is one of least mutable human characteristic, where did the RH negative come from? This question has puzzled scientists for years. There is some evidence that suggests the RH-negative blood group may have appeared about 35,000 years ago. And the appearance was regional and seemed to, originally, be connected with certain groups/tribes of people.

Northern Spain and Southern France is where you can find some of the highest concentration of the RH-negative factor in the Basque people. Another original group were the Eastern/Oriental Jews. In general, about 40 – 45% of Europeans have the RH-negative group. Only about 3% of African descendent and about 1% of Asian or Native American descendent has the RH-negative group. Due to the larger European numbers, it is a safe bet that was where it was introduced into the human genetic code. Could this also be where the Caucasian was introduced? Is the introduction of Caucasian related to the RH-blood factor.

If the RH-negative factor is a ‘normal’ presentation of blood, then why is there a problem when a mother of the RH-negative blood group gives birth to an RH-positive blood group baby. This Hemolytic disease, actually an allergic reaction, can cause death when the two different blood groups are mingled during pregnancy. When the antigenic substances attack the negative blood group it can destroy the blood cells. So why does the human body produce antigens to this blood type? Is the blood group alien?

The only other time this occurs in nature is, as an example, when donkeys and horses are crossed to produce mules. This is not ‘natural’ because left alone in the wild, these animals would never cross breed. Only with intervention would this happen. Was there a cross breeding of two human like beings, similar but genetically different?

People with RH-negative blood group have certain characteristics that seem to be common among the majority. Here is a brief list of the most common.

¨ Extra vertebra.

¨ Higher than average IQ

¨ More sensitive vision and other senses.

¨ Lower body temperature

¨ Higher blood pressure

¨ Increased occurrence of psychic/intuitive abilities

¨ Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes

¨ Red or reddish hair

¨ Has increased sensitivity to heat and sunlight

¨ Cannot be cloned

¨ Alien Abduction and other unexplained phenomenon

So what does this mean? What can be concluded?

The appearance of RH-negative blood did not follow the usual evolutionary path. In fact, evolution would seem to be ruled out as a possible cause of the anomaly. It has been proven that blood is the least likely to mutate. There are no other blood mutations. The introduction of the RH-negative blood type was not a naturally occurring part of human evolution.

This would lend credence that the RH-negative factor was introduced from an outside source. Could the source be from human like beings from another planet? Or maybe we are just as alien as they are, in that, we are a product of their manipulation and interference. Could they have come here and manipulated life forms already present on earth to create modern man?

Many ancient texts, including, the Bible, do support this theory. Many stories in the ancient texts, especially pre-Christian texts, do tell about a race that from the Heavens to the Earth Came. And they created man in their image. Man saw them as gods, living long lives and performing miracles. Flying about in the sky ships and shooting fire and creating ear-shattering booms. The humans watched as these gods built massive and glorious houses and created beautiful cities for themselves. From mans primitive point of view, they were gods. But that was early man’s point of view.

Who were the gods? The ancient stories tell us a lot about these gods. They obviously had advanced technology capable of space travel and air travel. They knew about aviation, metallurgy, the universe, the cosmic progression, medicine and evidently genetics. They knew about atomic energy and weapons and used them. Evidence of this can be found on Earth. They knew about agriculture and how to create more nutritious grains and other food staples. All of the basic grains that humans rely on for food have been determined to have all appeared at the same time spanning roughly a 10,000 year period. A very short time, geologically speaking. And no new grain has since been developed.

Our ancient texts tell us they began to take humans for their spouses. The Bible says, and the gods looked upon woman and found her pleasant to behold and took her as their wives. They had children, many children. But not all humans were a result of interbreeding. The first human was a result of scientific research combining primates with the gods’ genes. The first humans were not a product of interbreeding. But small portions of humans are a result of this interbreeding and their blood type can support this.

In the first part of this article, I described to you what happens when two species who similar but genetically different interbreed. They produce hybrids. The example I gave was about horses, donkeys, and mules. Mules are the hybrid, the product of a union between a horse and a donkey. However, mules are born sterile because there is no genetic relationship between the horse and the donkey.

When humans were first created, they were a product of two genetically similar but not related species.

The combination of the DNA of the primates and the gods was produced ‘artificially’ in a lab. If the gods have the technology to create a new species, they would have no problem overcoming the problem of the hybrids being sterile. A little genetic manipulation and it would no longer be an issue.

Three proto types of humans were created. Each one successively more advanced. Two types by design and the last by chance. Nethaderal Man is suspected of being an early humanoid created by the gods but cro-magnon was definitely a product of their intervention. The next type is whom we call pre-human and then we have modern man. Modern man was a result of interbreeding between the gods and pre-humans. This interbreeding for the most part created no problems in the resulting offspring, except for a line that inherited, from their godly parents, the RH-negative blood type.

This is supported by the fact that these humans did not inherit the protein found in the blood that is directly linked to the Rhesus Monkey. They did not inherit it because one of their parents did not have the monkey protein. This protein is present only because combining primate DNA with DNA from the gods created the original human proto-type that carried the monkey protein.

So in conclusion, I suggest that man is a creation of a highly technological race of human like beings that From the Heavens to the Earth came. I suggest that these advanced beings are still among us today and are still very active in the affairs of man. To what end, I can only suggest.

I would love proof that having rh- blood is linked to higher rates of all the things above. I am not sure such evidence is obtainable, but it is certainly a mysterious blood type (it also poses a major problem for pregnancies).

Here's a sciencey perspective on Rh- blood. (The interesting bit is that no solid scientific explanation exists as to how or why Rh- blood came about. It is presumed to be the result of a random mutation.)

I started researching on the Internet about my O negative blood type about seven years ago, after finding out that it was so mysterious.

Only 5 percent of the entire world were said to be Rh negative, when I first started researching it. Now, it is stated that the Rh negative factor is 15 percent of the world’s blood types. I think this may have come about due to more research that has been done in third world countries, and in areas of the world where scientist had no communications with data. The theories of the origins on the phenomena of the Rh negative blood types have been vast, strange and controversial. Some of these theories of which mostly, I truly don’t believe, but it is fodder for some bizarre coincidences, and hopefully enlightening into this mystery.

The Rh negative blood type is said to be of unknown origin. There is no one scientist that can give a single reason for its existence other than a mutation that occurred tens of thousands of years ago. I gathered a lot of pseudo, and actual details over the years of which are amusing, and contradictory to what I really think was the cause of this negative blood type factor.

The Internet had a flurry of conspiracy theorist biting at the thread of this phenomena after a website was published on Internet stating that the Rh negative blood type was proof positive that aliens do exist. I actually don’t believe it is, however, it is speculated to be so, because there is no known reason for it other than a mutation.

Some theories are that it was gene manipulation by the ancient gods. One was the Enki a godlike scientist, possibly alien. This theory was written by a scientist after reading the Sumerian texts.

Another strange phenomena was references to this blood type factor in science fictions movies, such as ‘Invasion” where a woman with Ab negative blood was supposed to have been a natural host of the newly arriving aliens. Other, movies claim this blood type as alien in many Sci fi movies, and television shows as well.

I read where Internet sites were claiming that the head director of MUFON was fired for putting the statement out that the Rh negative blood type was from alien sources.

One site on-line claims that the Rh negative blood factor is the “Blood of the Gods”. This site was dated from the 1970’s.

Other sites claim that the Rh negative blood factor is the original blood type , the oldest blood type, which I actually emailed a genetic scientist ,and he replied that type O positive was the oldest.

I believe as the scientists do that the Rh negative factor is a mutation that occurred due to what is called a crossing over event, and the gene of the Rh positive blood factor was deleted in the Rhesus box.

Here's a Christian/Biblical angle on Rh- blood.

July 16, 2008 -- BEVERLY HILLS CA - Rh-negative blood is more than just a blood type according to Rh-negative thinktank, Joshua David, an Oral Roberts University alumni from Beverly Hills who claims to have the blood type flowing in his veins.

Rh-negative has been a subject worthy of attention to pregnant Rh-negative mothers who carry an Rh-positive child and are in need of Rhogam shots to prevent their own antibodies from killing the foetus. However, this scenario has lead to various worldwide speculations of its origin.

Joshua claims from the Biblical quotes that, Rh-negative blood originated from the Watcher angels who interbred with human women during the pre-flood era, eventually producing giants known as nephilims. The watcher angels were quoted as such in the book of Enoch and as "sons of God" in Genesis 6,4. The allele pattern of this genetic survival has led to speculations of Rh-negative genes passed on to Enoch, Noah and the post-flood humanity. The blood of Jesus is sourced as Rh-negative (AB) from the shroud evidence.

The mystery is acknowledged by Joshua as the work of the Holy Spirit whom Jesus was conceived by (whether partially or fully from genetics perspective), and so possibly explains the origin of angels with mortal characteristics who has always been under God the Holy Spirit (the third person in the Trinity) also known as Lord of the Spirit.

So what is it now, you may ask? Besides claims of aristocratic lineages in European history, "blue blood" and various other dubious claims in the past linking to Rh-negative, Peter whom Jesus had given the keys to heaven was quoted as saying that "we will be judging angels". Considering the Judeo-Christian perspective of hell's angels already been judged and heaven's angels need no human judgements, it is logical to point at the "watcher angels", whom we know not of their judgements besides their imprisonment for a "70 generations" timeline refering to Enoch (Book of Enoch) by Peter after their banish and judgement.

Joshua has speculated on the watcher angels relating to UFO reportings specifically on the statistics available at the National UFO Reporting website. [ http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxevent.html ]. Hundreds of reportings every month on the site could at least suggest a legitimate claim to another genetic life. They could as well be the "watcher angels" when other sourced and categorized angels are typically a spirit entity and not a genetic life, he says. In general, UFO sightings have captured media's attention in the past.

In medical science, Rh-negative blood is stated to be at 92.3 percent of Rh-positive human blood. Monkey's and chimps blood is stated to be about 98-99 percent. Although science tries to base the Rh-negative scenario solely on mutation, it is impossible from a geneticist point of view for a blood to mutate to such a scale and a whole different immune system to be involved later. Rh-negative blood is also not able to be duplicated or cloned. Researchs and experimentations are being done on these blood types to enhance or find new vaccinations and other medical benefits or aid besides blood donations and needs.

Enoch and Elijah have bypassed the Biblical judgement of,"the wages of sin is death" and claimed by sources to have become of "angelic status", possibly hinting on the origins of Rh-negative blood, although not exclusive to it. Rh-negative individuals of today have claimed to certain unique traits and relating at such to their "Rh-negative-ness". Rh-negative individuals, knowingly or unknowingly have made much contributions to society in their own ways. "Jesus has paid for our eternal life."

More accounts of Rh- blood types:

Democratic Underground thread - Anyone heard anything about Rh negative people being a different species?

1976 magazine piece describes rh-negative blood as 'blood of the Gods', also adds Biblical perspective relating to the 'children of Israel'

Got Truth? Don't be so sure

Here's one thing I came up with while considering all this stuff. See, we humans - Descartes demonstrated this - can know nothing for certain barring our own individual existence. (I don't know you exist, but I do know I exist - cognito ergo sum)

In other words, we rely on presumption in our daily lives. I presume the outside world is real or I wouldn't compile information on Rh- blood types for your consideration. Courts of law demand proof 'beyond reasonable doubt', because if they said 'beyond all doubt' their conviction rates would be 0 per cent. The laws of physics only exist 100% certainly in the minds of humans, based on many observations of what appears to happen in the outside world. Reality is subjective.

See what I'm saying here? I am describing humans as creatures who do not have access to absolute truth. In other words, if truth does really exist, we can't get to it. This inevitably poses the question: If we cannot access truth, then what can? Nobody? Divinity? The bloody Astral Plane? Your guess is as good as mine. The can of worms is open. Anything is possible.

SOURCE:Conspiracy Planet.com

This is very interesting. Blood group fascinate Japanese peoples and I never thought to look into it. A genetic mutation IS possible and can be traced back to Noah who was a suspected Nephilim himself. Could the bloodlines prove that Nephilim Blood DOES still run through the veins of some 'humans'? If, in fact, there were any peoples who survived the flood (the pyramids were said to have housed the Egyptians during the flood as per a new Arabian document found next tyo the pyramids) and any and all other pyramids found througout the world, could there be a genetic link to the Nephilim bloodline that was completely rampant in those days... I'd say it is. I'm RH negative btw

Also you know people claiming 'aliens' come and visit them and are trying to start a bloodline may actually be telling the truth. Angels are beings from space (where Heaven is) and their CHILDREN the Nephilim would be these 'aliens' everyone speaks of that have the appearance of aborted feotues (that's what they look like to me anyway), and there was an angel that taught abortion because it was kinder to the women as the Nephilim were a little mad, and well bad....

I only want to know one thing: these RH-negative fellows. Does it take the normal number of bullets to kill one, or do we need a couple more?

[SlimJim22]

You sure have given this a lot of thought. I am impressed. Sorry I missed the message till now I had forgotten.

This fits in with something I was thinking a while back. Basically that Cain, a son of the serpent, was the father of the Mongoloid race. They spread east as Genesis tells us and left the name on Canaan, China and Canada.

Atlantis is linked to red, white and black and I'm thinking this could signify skin colour. I prefer to date the Great deluge to around 10,000bce and the end of the ice age and the same time when the blue eyed gene emerged. Ham was the father of the black race, Shem the semitic or red skinned people and Japheth of the white skinned type after his albino father. This is speculation of course but the dates fit well. If we then assume that direct descendants would be of the serpent or blueblood line then intermarrying between tribes could be the reason for other genetic mutations. I am thus thinking of the serpent as more of a metaphor than actual reptlians. However, having seen a picture of a British princess earlier I am open to discussion in a tongue in cheek fashion.

There is of course the Nagas of India but they could be a refernce to a blck skin tribe that survived.

By mentioning Hermes you make me think about a lot. From compartitive mythology research I would say he is Thoth and Enoch and also Quexacoatl. He is thus linked with feather serpent, the Ibis and the caduceus. All very intriguing connections. Remember the Underworld can mean the inner earth aswell as Earth below the Equator. Cheers

[SlimJim22]

Heard about that before, but first time to know that he was from the serpent. Interesting!! I always have the sense that Bible has many ecret to be told. Sad that many chinese are not interested in it. About the fraticide, it maybe compared to incest, the earliest chinese legend told that Nuwa and Fuxi, both serpent deities who were responsible for creating humans, were actually sister and brother. But later historians were ashamed to think about their ancestry was from incest so they omitted that Fuxi was the god of heaven. Cain and Abel were probably Nuwa and Fuxi, sister and brother who committed incest, I think it could be the truth original sin of Eden.

Ok, I have to say that the theology with chinese sources could not be more exciting, Atlantis was established by Poseidon according to the greeks. Poseidon the god of ocean but in chinese myth, dragons ruled the oceans:

From the entry for LONG WANG:

" The four Dragon Kings (龙王; pinyin: Lóng Wáng) are, in Chinese mythology, the divine rulers of the four seas (each sea corresponds to one of the cardinal directions). Although Dragon Kings appear in their true forms as dragons, they have the ability to shapeshift into human form. The Dragon Kings live in crystal palaces, guarded by shrimp soldiers and crab generals."

It is plausible to link Poseidon to chinese dragon kings of the oceans if refered to chinese myths. Therefore Atlantis built by the direction from serpent deities!! Incest and hybridization started from there. Atlantis was likely populated with most black people before hybridization.

The spiritual legacy was distorted since ancient times in Inida. Naga was originally not even a Hindu word. The word probably came from northern mongoloid tribes, which now are mostly converted to christianity. They have abandoned their original belief.

The fallens are numerous not just one or two, which influenced humanity in the same way, they hybridized us, civilized us. Strangely whoever he might resemble in other cultures, only as Quetzalcoatl he was a supreme deity. Thats the most significant difference between mongoloid culture and other cultures. Probably the perverted obsession with serpent by the toltecs and mayans was the best sign of the devine incest. In colonial era, europeans regarded mesoamerican ruins as the works of devil, the paradigm of pagan evil. The Old Americas still seem to be the hall of all sort of pagan deities, you find serpent wielding Viracocha, crested dragon, feathered dragon venerated as supreme by incas, toltecs, mayans, olmecs etc. As if pagan deities were at home after they travelled from Greece as Hermes to Rome as Asclepius, and to India as Vasuki and to Norse as Loki..Who welcomed them like fathers and mothers ? The old dwellers of the New World.

We might have to take this discussion into the Atlantis threads with where it seems to be going. Just a few points.

So, first I think we should consider the two poissibilities for the inclusion of dragons in world myth. A) That there was a distinct race that were of reptilian origin that interbred with mankind and caused mutations. That there was a serpent wisdom left over from a prediluvian civilization that created royal lineages that interbred at the highest levels.

I do like to consider A) because it is where my story is headed but has it's merits. It's eaiest to think of it in terms of right and left brain with the reptilian brain being more right centred and compatable with eastern wisdom. I will be posting some of the differences between right and left in Christianity Fraud later.

Another massive connection I see is in the flags of Wales and Bhutan. The right and white dragons turn up in myths from Glastonbury Tor and Merlins prophecy. I am thinking they respond to positive and negative energies that are found in the human body as pingala and ida and as Michael and Mary and Appollo and Artemis ley lines. I am guessing chinese dragon lines wouldn't be too different with two oscillating energies around one central energy.

Connected with Atlantis is Merope daughter of Atlas. Meru is the peak of MU in eastern philosophy and correspons to the ancient word for pyramid Mer. Then in the tale of the grail or dragon bloodline you have Merovee of the Merovogians. They are linked to bees. Any connection to bees in China?

My theory is that the survivors of Atlantis spread out with the serpent wisdom and the first bringer of it to China was Shen Nung who introduced medicine and yin and yan, which is again about the male and female energies. Maybe when Atlantis rises is a metaphor for the male and female energies finding balance once more.

[SlimJim22]

Oh I forgot. You mentioned Olmecs. Well they can be traced back to the Zingh or Xi people. Xi would seem to have a very strong connection to China imo. They Olmecs brought with them the serpent cult, maths and the calendar and advanced stone carving. They are really the orgins of the Mayax or Maya, which can also be linked to Nagas Maya and Cara Maya. Very strange stuff. Thene there's the language connection between Hopi and Tibet. My brain is aching LOL

[SlimJim22]

I do know about the brain areas relation to philosophy. There are some mystery that I am willing to left unknown. I enjoy getting close to the truth but maybe will not really want to publish it at all. If what we have talked are indeed truth. It is better off to let it remain evasive. We are in a game which we know very little about, there are things that should be unknown. I want peace rather than east asian supremacy, if were not for eurocentric drivels, I will not say much about it. Christianity offers a chance to enjoy mystery rather than dying for the truth.

How can we afford the truth if we cannot even contain our own ignorance.

In ancient chinese myth, there was a mountain called " 不周山 " or " semicircled mountain " in its verbal meaning, supposedly the pillar of heaven. The flood was caused by water gods suicide by colliding his head with the pillar of heaven. Water god lost the fight with fire god, so water god decided to bring the whole humanity with him by suicide. Heaven collapsed and strucked the Earth so hard that water sprang from huge cracks in Earth and innundated the world. There were 2 sacred mountain in traditional chinese legend one is called " 昆仑山 " or Kunlun Mountain, the name has not specific verbal meanings; the other is the one mention earlier, the semicircled mountain. In some legends around 200AD, Kunlun mountain is related to black skinned people, it is said that when people saw black skinned people they called them Kunlun people. The reason for this connection is still controversial among chinese studies. There is no bees in our myth as far as I have resarched, but we have shrimp and crab fighters serving the dragon kings

There were a lot of cultural heroes in chinese legend, "Shen Nong", or literally "The Demigod Farmer" , and also the Yellow Emperor, which taught people of writings and calendar. Yellow Emperor was one of the 2 greatest god kings according to our traditional myth, the another was Yan Emeperor. Interesting thing is their respective cultic idols: Yellow Emperor worshiped Dragon while the Yan Emperor worshiped the Phoenix. It is my theory that caucasian people were born from the subjects of Yan Emperor. Yan in chinese means fire, swastika used to symbolize lighten and fire. And the legend also states that Yellow Emperor stayed in the east and Yan Emperor migrated west..If the legend was true, it could be the connection between ancient caucasian and mongoloid people. The feather dragon was possibly the true identity of phoenix, the featured dragon implies the will to explore. the earliest Egyptian serpent god wadjet was depicted having wings, if Yan Emperors subjects were responsible for creation Sumerian and Egyptian cultures, we can further connect chinese legend and all the cultic legacies in the west.

The way I see it is that rather than anyone race being supreme, what we have is different races thriving independently but retaining some common links through shamanism that lead to mutually beneficial interactions. So, in pre history interactions between african and asian peoples helped to advance consciousness then probbaly around 1,500bce migrations of aryans into the east created another catalyst for further adavncement. I don't know if that time period fits with the Yan emperor but I know that white arce is linked to fire, black to water, yellow to wind and red to earth. It's intriguing stuff but my intention is to show we are one humanity and not separate races vying for superiority over each other.

It makes sense that the symbol used was a Phoenix as I do think of birds as being associated with the north and serpents the south. The Phoenix is also lined to fire and rebirth and imo what we are talking about is a comet or a solar flare.

A while back I was reading some interesting stuff claiming that chi of China and ki of Japan evolved out of the egyptian ka. It seems to make sense as it is all male/female related stuff. What I think is important is following the symbols and link words and not getting obscured by race. I can more or less link jews, hindus, arabs, druids and some others. We can really add China and Japan through the symbol of the dragon and understanding of ley lines and subtle energies. Over the years a lot of this get confused or covered up but maybe we are approaching a new cycle when we will think of ourselves as one people of many colours all being equal. Sometimes to find the truth you have to work backwards. Thanks for the information.

Do you know what the asian predisposition to RH negative blood is? I know the highest frequency is in the Basque but don't really know what that signifies at the moment.

[SlimJim22]

Very interesting stuff. So, bloodlines were important to ancient China?

I've gotta confess, I am surprised the dates are so early but this may fit in with interaction with the Kurgan culture. It kinda makes sense that the yellow rulers wanted white skinned people for their beauty but witheld sovreignty from them. The mixing of races was in some way intended so as to bring forth new and varying appearances. I have said about linking Kain to China and to the serpent, well I also identify him with Hades who was renowned for kidnapping the goddess Persephone. I trace this myth back to an earlier one of Nergal and Ereshikgal and it seems to echo the idea of taking females from rival tribes, perhaps specifically for the colour of the skin.

Also, with Kain is that he was marked by God. There is so much speculation over what this means. Some say horned or tatooed some say black skin although that doesn't seem to make sense. This is why I am thinking it was the origins of the mongoloid race but I am far from sure of anything. It does seem through history that the rulers were often of a different skin colour to the populace so this does leave a lot of room for specualtion.

You mentioned before about crab soldiers, love it. They are an interesting symbol for sure and I could probably write a fairly rubbish essay on the symbolism but importantly they are linked to the egyptian scarab and were forbidden to be eaten by the jews. It was commonly thought because they were unclean but it could have been because they were sacred. Jesus also talks about 'backsliders' which is thought to be a reference to cancer the crab by some. I haven't seen it yet but there is a film called District 9 with alien prawns or crab people. What will they think of next?

I wonder, is the Griffon a symbol found in the far east?

[Archosaur]

The focus on various races having superior/inferior abilities is misleading if not wholly insulting. Genetic and phynotypical variation within the established "races" is grater than the average variation between, making the concept as it is usually bandied about irrelevent and misleading.

As for "Dragon Bloodlines" legendary accounts may be found amongst the English, French, Romanians, Greeks, Egyptians, Indians, Japanese, and most notably, the Chinese. This wide assortment within various cultures is tantalizing, and also discounts the racial element alluded to earlier. In most cases, the legendary "dragon descented" people are considered gifted and often heroic, not demented fallen beings.

As for China's dragons: they are considered in myth to the be messengers and mediators between heaven and earth (rather like angels in function) not demonic fallen beings. Thus I fail to see how describing them as either the gods of pagan Europe, or as the Nephilim of the Mid East seems likely. If there were cross-cultural interaction (or if such beings were real) they would likely come from a common class of heavenly intermediaries, rather than the various roles suggested in earlier posts.

[SlimJim22]

The focus on various races having superior/inferior abilities is misleading if not wholly insulting. Genetic and phynotypical variation within the established "races" is grater than the average variation between, making the concept as it is usually bandied about irrelevent and misleading.

As for "Dragon Bloodlines" legendary accounts may be found amongst the English, French, Romanians, Greeks, Egyptians, Indians, Japanese, and most notably, the Chinese. This wide assortment within various cultures is tantalizing, and also discounts the racial element alluded to earlier. In most cases, the legendary "dragon descented" people are considered gifted and often heroic, not demented fallen beings.

As for China's dragons: they are considered in myth to the be messengers and mediators between heaven and earth (rather like angels in function) not demonic fallen beings. Thus I fail to see how describing them as either the gods of pagan Europe, or as the Nephilim of the Mid East seems likely. If there were cross-cultural interaction (or if such beings were real) they would likely come from a common class of heavenly intermediaries, rather than the various roles suggested in earlier posts.

Can you elaborate on your last point. I don't think one suggestion has been raised above another. In trying to eliminate scenarios is probably the best way in reaching a suitable alternative. Cross-cultural, yes. Ancestor worship, certainly. Nephilim, vampires, fairies, kundalani, chi gung, - why not? A lot of pagan deities are seen as half reptile or fish so what are we meant to take from this? Literally they were fish or serpent men - could be but more likely it is to do with the secret wisdom that they all shared.

[Star of the Sea]

Just to add to that, Jesus, as is common with alot of Jewish people, had AB- blood

Hi Ashley Star,

If, Satan can "transform himself into an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14) then fallen angelic beings maybe capable of assuming corporeal form. Michael Heiser thinks The "sons of God" is a reference to angelic beings. Heiser has a PhD in ancient languages, Biblical Hebrew, see link:

http://michaelsheiser.com

Edited April 28, 2010 by Star of the Sea

[Star of the Sea]

Just to add to that, Jesus, as is common with alot of Jewish people, had AB- blood

Hi Ashley Star,

If, Satan can "transform himself into an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14) then fallen angelic beings maybe capable of assuming corporeal form. Michael Heiser thinks The "sons of God" is a reference to angelic beings. Heiser has a PhD in ancient languages, Biblical Hebrew, see link:

http://michaelsheiser.com

oops double post!

Edited April 28, 2010 by Star of the Sea