Abramelin Posted October 14, 2009 #101 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I have searched through many old Norse and Celtic (here:Welsh) legends looking for something about floods, and only the Welsh legends mention floods, but it's almost certain that those floods happened somewhere off the coast of Wales and Cornwall ( "Cantre'r Gwaelod" and much more recently http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/wales/mid_/5016240.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales The only other Celtic legend that is more clear and possibly about the deluge that flooded Doggerland is in the Irish Book of Invasions/Conquests (see earlier post in this thread). In old Norse legends absulutely nothing can be found that points to some kind of real flood (only something in a creation myth and lots of blood from a giant): http://www.native-science.net/Norse_Cosmogony_Cosmology.htm In THIS POST I talked about "Nehalennia", an ancient sea/fertility godess venerated at the southern coasts of the North Sea (and also in some places up the Rhine). The origins of this seagodess are very uncertain, and the godess may not even Germanic or Celtic in origin. But looking for something more about this seagodess I found a Dutch site with something of an explanation of the name "Nehalennia": Where did the name Neeltje Jans come from? Neeltje Jans was the name given to Nehalennia by the local population. Nehalennia, Nehalenia, Nehalaenniae, Nehalaenia; all of these are different spellings meaning “Lady of the North Sea”. No one is absolutely certain of the meaning of the name. Apparently in the 18th century a ship named Neeltje Jans sank on a sandbank in the Eastern Scheldt and the sandbank was then given the name of the ship. However, no proof of this claim has ever been found. Some people think that the name Nehalennia is derived from the Hebrew words ‘nahal’, meaning to guide and ‘aniah’ meaning ship. This would indicate the meaning to be ‘guide the ship’, i.e. he who guides the ship(s). Another possible explanation could be as follows: Neeltje Jans: Ne/Helle/Jaan/s Nehellenia: Ne/helle/ia Ne = near Haale = ancient name of the North Sea, as the region used to be called where now the Flemish and the Zeelanders live (sometimes pronounced as Hale (n). This could also explain the various spellings found on altar stones, e.g. Nehalennia). Jaan = jeanne = jane = lady s= feminine gender. Neeltje Jans = Ne+halen+ia could therefore be roughly translated as meaning Lady or Goddess of the Sea. Our logo, the mermaid Neeltje Jans, reflects this version The exhibition room at Deltapark Neeltje Jans houses a cast of a temple stone from a temple dedicated to the Roman goddess Nehalennia. Similar stones have been brought up out of the water by fishermen near Colijnsplaat and Domburg. Not far from Neeltje Jans, there is another sandbank and this is called Vuilbaard. Deltapark Neeltje Jans has taken inspiration from this sandbank to develop a new character, which we have named Zoutbaard. The word baard is thought to derive from bard or singer (minstrel). Zoutbaard is the minstrel who serenades the mermaid Neeltje Jans. http://www.neeltjejans.nl/index.php/en/park-info/origin-of-the-name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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