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karl 12

The SAC Base UFO Flyovers - Oct/Nov, 1975.

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"Since 28 Oct 75 numerous reports of suspicious objects have been received at the NORAD CU; reliable military personnel at Loring AFB, Maine, Wurtsmith AFB, Michigan, Malmstrom AFB, Mt, Minot AFB, ND, and Canadian Forces Station, Falconbridge, Ontario, Canada have visually sighted suspicious objects."

The Commander-in-Chief of North American Air Defense Command, November 11th, 1975.

It seems that, contrary to the often cited U.S. Government claim about 'UFOs being of no defense significance', there was considerable panic about them over a period of three weeks in October and November, 1975.

Several Strategic Air Command bases in the Northern U.S. were placed on a high priority alert due to repeated reports of UFOs flying at low altitude over atomic weapons storage areas and the Commander-in-Chief of North American Air Defense Command sent a four part message to NORAD about the 'intrusions' on Nov 11th (more info at links).

Incidents:

* DOD, USAF, and CIA document reveal that during October, November, and December of 1975, reliable military personnel repeatedly sighted unconventional aerial objects in the vicinity of nuclear-weapons storage areas, aircraft alert areas and nuclear-missile control facilities at Loring Air Force Base, Maine; Wurtsmith AFB Michigan; Malstrom AFB, Montana; Minot AFB, North Dakota; and Canadian Air Forces Station, Ontario. Many of the sightings were confirmed by radar. At Loring AFB, the interloper "demonstrated a clear intent on the weapons storage areas."

* The incidents drew the attention of the CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Secretary of Defense. Though the Air Force informed the public and the press that individual sightings were isolated incidents, an Air Force document says that "Security Option III was implemented and that security measures were coordinated with fifteen (15) Air Force bases from Guam to Newfoundland. Another AF document reveals that the Air Force conducted an investigation into the incidents but found no explanation for their occurrence.

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Further documents (pdf):

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/ufo/assort1.pdf

http://www.nicap.org/norad3b1.htm

http://www.nicap.org/wurtsmith18-21.htm

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Captain Zim

I must admit I thought that this was rubbish and was going to say so but it is in fact a most meaty read. Tanker made both visual contact and a radar skin point eh? Intriguing, intriguing. A good find, karl 12. No doubt the usual suspects will be along soon enough to pass judgement...

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karl 12

Captain Zim, thanks for the reply and it's certainly a very interesting series of incidents - there's a great interview below with Lawrence Fawcett who goes into more detail about the government documents dealing with the 'incursions' - he also co-authored the excellent book 'Clear Intent' and interviewed many of the security teams who witnessed the objects.

If you value genuine UFO information, and if you respect a real and honest to God "professional" investigator, then I envy your listening to this episode for the first time.

The evening of February 11, 1995 I had on just retired police Lieutenant Larry Fawcett, who along with Barry Greenwood wrote one of the most important books ever on military/government UFO information and coverup - Clear Intent. This was the first of several interviews I conducted with Larry, a long time friend and respected (especially by me) professional investigator. Larry's contributions to the aspect of UFO investigations is far and wide.

In this interview we touched upon (in depth) the 1975 incursions into Air Force nuclear weapons areas, Larry's inter-actions with the military, other police agencies and even the FBI. Of course there was much more.

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Cheers.

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DONTEATUS

Good article karl ! Skyeagle has been telling em all this time and yet the air waves are blank with belief !

Im still on your Six Big Guy!

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skyeagle409

It seems that, contrary to the often cited U.S. Government claim about 'UFOs being of no defense significance', there was considerable panic about them over a period of three weeks in October and November, 1975.

Several Strategic Air Command bases in the Northern U.S. were placed on a high priority alert due to repeated reports of UFOs flying at low altitude over atomic weapons storage areas and the Commander-in-Chief of North American Air Defense Command sent a four part message to NORAD about the 'intrusions' on Nov 11th (more info at links).

Further documents (pdf):

http://www.dod.mil/p...ufo/assort1.pdf

http://www.nicap.org/norad3b1.htm

http://www.nicap.org...tsmith18-21.htm

Outstanding!! thumbsup.gif

A former base of mine, Hill AFB, UT, had responsibility toward Minuteman missiles in the field. The fact that those missiles were shutdown, proves that UFOs were a significant defense issue regarding national security.

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skyeagle409

Good article karl ! Skyeagle has been telling em all this time and yet the air waves are blank with belief !

Im still on your Six Big Guy!

Thanks for that one! thumbsup.gif

I have been telling the skeptics about those missile incidents for years, but it seemed that my messages were falling on deaf ears.

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DoubtingJessi

Finally something credible! Thank you! :)

I haven't looked at everything in its entirety, like the video and the mp3s. I have a sucky connection that won't let me hear the mp3s. :(

What I gather is that the Air Force was pretty much powerless against the UFOs over the sites. In one case the pilot couldn't even see the object in front of them when it was still visible from the ground! In another case the fighters appeared to pass right through the object/s. What can you do against something like that other than report it? Needless to say it's obviously something they couldn't even begin to understand. I could understand the reluctance to report this to the media. Was our military going to admit to the world that it couldn't do anything about unknown objects seen over nuclear sites? And how could they assess a threat that didn't even appear to have substance?

That is, if I understood correctly because I read part of it while I was sleepy. <_<

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karl 12

Thanks for the replies -there are some pretty comprehensive links below about the incidents and also some interesting object descriptions found in the the Rockefeller briefing document - it's also interesting that, as well 1975, Minot Nuclear Weapon Storage Base also experienced very strange UFO activity in 1966, 1967 and 1968:

1975: STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND BASES UFO ALERT.

*"October 28, Loring AFB, Maine. Unknown craft with a white flashing light and an amber or orange light. Red and orange object, about four car-lengths long. Moving in jerky motions, stopped and hovered. The object looked like all the colors were blended together; the object was solid.

*"October 30, Wurtsmith AFB, Michigan. One light pointing downward, and two red lights near the rear. Hovered and moved up and down in an erratic manner. A KC-135 aerial tanker crew established visual and radar contact with UFO: 'Each time we attempted to close on the object, it would speed away from us. Finally, we turned back in the direction of the UFO and it really took off... I know this might sound crazy, but I would estimate that the UFO sped away from us doing approximately 1,000 knots [1,150 mph or 1,800 km./hr.].'

*"November 7, Malmstrom AFB, Montana. A Sabotage Alert Team described seeing a brightly glowing orange, football field-sized disc that illuminated the Minuteman ICBM missile site. As F-106 jet interceptors approached, the UFO took off straight up, NORAD radar tracking it to an altitude of 200,000 feet [38 miles or 60 km.]. An object... emitted a light which illuminated the site driveway. The orange-gold object overhead also has small lights on it.

*"November 8, Malmstrom AFB. Radar showed up to 7 objects at 9,500 to 15,000 feet [2,900 m. to 4,700 m.]. Ground witnesses reported lights and the sound of jet engines, but radar showed objects flying at only 7 kts. [8 mph or 13 km./hr.].

*"November 10, Minot AFB, North Dakota. A bright, noiseless object about the size of a car buzzed the base at 1,000-2,000 feet [300-600 m.].

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Links:

http://www.nicap.org/waves/1975_overflights.htm

http://www.ufocasebook.com/sacbaseweapons1975.html

http://www.cufon.org/contributors/DJ/Do%20Nuclear%20Facilities%20Attract%20UFOs.htm

Cheers.

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DoubtingJessi
No doubt the usual suspects will be along soon enough to pass judgement...

And along came a spider. :lol:

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skyeagle409

Finally something credible! Thank you! original.gif

I haven't looked at everything in its entirety, like the video and the mp3s. I have a sucky connection that won't let me hear the mp3s. sad.gif

What I gather is that the Air Force was pretty much powerless against the UFOs over the sites. In one case the pilot couldn't even see the object in front of them when it was still visible from the ground! In another case the fighters appeared to pass right through the object/s. What can you do against something like that other than report it? Needless to say it's obviously something they couldn't even begin to understand. I could understand the reluctance to report this to the media. Was our military going to admit to the world that it couldn't do anything about unknown objects seen over nuclear sites? And how could they assess a threat that didn't even appear to have substance?

That is, if I understood correctly because I read part of it while I was sleepy. disgust.gif

We cannot do anything, even after our missiles were shut down. In the Case of Minot AFB, a B-52 bomber flew right next to a UFO and the co-pilot look through one of its windows as they flew by. The aircrew were featured on ABC News, which was hosted by Peter Jennings. The co-pilot stated that he knew then, that the UFO was extraterrestrial.

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Drunkenparrot

Finally something credible! Thank you! :)

I haven't looked at everything in its entirety, like the video and the mp3s. I have a sucky connection that won't let me hear the mp3s. :(

What I gather is that the Air Force was pretty much powerless against the UFOs over the sites. In one case the pilot couldn't even see the object in front of them when it was still visible from the ground! In another case the fighters appeared to pass right through the object/s. What can you do against something like that other than report it? Needless to say it's obviously something they couldn't even begin to understand. I could understand the reluctance to report this to the media. Was our military going to admit to the world that it couldn't do anything about unknown objects seen over nuclear sites? And how could they assess a threat that didn't even appear to have substance?

That is, if I understood correctly because I read part of it while I was sleepy. <_<

Take a minute to read through the PDF's and notice the bits about helicopters, border patrol, local police and coordinating with canadian law inforcement. :alien:

The fantastic story in the youtube video concerning Malmstrom AFB and echo flight in 1967 is utter B.S. concocted by a retired air force sergeant named Robert Salas who was part of a missile launch crew that experienced an electrical malfunction caused by the rural power grid which temporarily disabled their ability to launch a few of the ICBM's under their control.

Here a page from the U.S. Air Force engineering report on the matter.....

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I've posted the complete document earlier in this thread which goes into great detail complete with technical notes from the Boeing engineers responsible for the design of the launch system and missiles themselves.

The muddying of the history of the cold war to support the UFO/E.T. hypothesis is a pet peeve of mine. The men and woman of the strategic air command and tactical air command towed the line during what was possibly the greatest threat to the history of our species, the nuclear hair trigger of the MAD doctrine (mutually assured destruction).

Their story deserves our respect and thanks for having the cool heads and professionalism to responsibly perform their jobs , not creative interpretation that what NORAD really meant by the word "helicopter" is alien spacecraft

As attractive as the classified nature of strategic defense is to those who would sell us a book of the fantastic I would hope that most see these "incidents" for what they are, tall tales and exaggerations.

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skyeagle409

Take a minute to read through the PDF's and notice the bits about helicopters, border patrol, local police and coordinating with canadian law inforcement. alien.gif

The fantastic story in the youtube video concerning Malmstrom AFB and echo flight in 1967 is utter B.S. concocted by a retired air force sergeant named Robert Salas who was part of a missile launch crew that experienced an electrical malfunction caused by the rural power grid which temporarily disabled their ability to launch a few of the ICBM's under their control.

Here a page from the U.S. Air Force engineering report on the matter.....

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I've posted the complete document earlier in this thread which goes into great detail complete with technical notes from the Boeing engineers responsible for the design of the launch system and missiles themselves.

The muddying of the history of the cold war to support the UFO/E.T. hypothesis is a pet peeve of mine. The men and woman of the strategic air command and tactical air command towed the line during what was possibly the greatest threat to the history of our species, the nuclear hair trigger of the MAD doctrine (mutually assured destruction).

Their story deserves our respect and thanks for having the cool heads and professionalism to responsibly perform their jobs , not creative interpretation that what NORAD really meant by the word "helicopter" is alien spacecraft

As attractive as the classified nature of strategic defense is to those who would sell us a book of the fantastic I would hope that most see these "incidents" for what they are, tall tales and exaggerations.

No muddying of the incidents. The incidents happened as reported.

The skeptics are the folks muddying waters.

Presumably whenever these kinds of national security UFO incidents occurred that affected military equipment there were investigations by contractors who built or maintained the equipment, and the UFO aspects were compartmented off. At a higher level these reports could be read by someone cleared to know about the UFO details, and they could ignore the perfunctory denials of UFO activity written into the contractor studies.

Malmstrom AFB Incidents

http://www.nicap.org...mstrom67dir.htm

You see, a similar incident happened to another unit earlier.

http://www.disclose....m_AFB_Case_VII/

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SAC Base 1975 flyovers found at 3:40

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=vKMi6AfMFak

Note acknowledgment of UFOs overlying military installations, and note that natural phenomena and aerial vehicles were ruled out.

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karl 12

Drunken Parrot - I don't know why you're posting about a completely separate incident from eight years earlier and then accusing others of muddying the waters but I do understand your point - if you take the time to look through all the links and documents posted about the 1975 incidents then you'll see it addresses many of the points you've raised:

Visual sightings and radar tracking of UFOs in the vicinity of military installations have been reported since the beginning of the modern era. The number and nature of most of these events has been kept from the public by military security, but on occasion information has been released, although its significance is usually played down.

From late October through the middle of November 1975, high-security bases along the U.S.-Canada border were the scene of intrusions of what were euphemistically called "mystery helicopters," despite their unhelicopter-like appearance and behavior.

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It's by no means the first time the U.S. Gov has referred to UFOs as 'mystery helicopters' in official documentation (although many of the reported flight characteristics and object descriptions appear to completely rule out helicopters) - there are also other reports from the Vietnam War where this term has been routinely abused and if you're interested, Lawrence Fawcett goes into more detail about the subject in the linked radio interview posted above.

"I don't know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren't called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of '68. And this resulted in quite a little battle. And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved but we always reacted. Always after dark. The same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69."

USAF Chief of Staff General George S. Brown

DoD Transcript of Press Conference in Illinois (10/16/1973).

UFO Reports During The Vietnam War

Incidentally, there's another document below from the same 1975 report in which the command post appears to be collating civilian UFO reports from around the same time and areas:

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"He saw a cigar shaped object with red, green and white flashing lights, going up and down and making sharp turns"

"She saw an object hovering at tree top level in a clearing near power lines one half miles distant. It had four red lights in diamond shape and two white flashing lights"

"It was rotating -going back and forth at a high altitude and had white, blue and red lights"

"In a partly cloudy sky, he saw one bright object about 70% elevation, like a cup in a bowl. He was looking at it through binoculars"

"They were followed by a huge oval shaped object with white blinking lights"

Cheers.

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karl 12

Skyeagle -don't know if you've seen this one matey but here's another U.S. Government document which describes another UFO incident over another USAF command base just two months later - this is yet another report in which the object description bears absolutely no resemblance to a helicopter.

Cannon USAF TAC Base -UFO Document.

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Objects being described as "25 yards in diameter, gold or silver in color with blue light on top, hole in middle, and red light on bottom".

Cheers.

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Drunkenparrot

Drunken Parrot - I don't know why you're posting about a completely separate incident from eight years earlier and then accusing others of muddying the waters but I do understand your point - if you take the time to look through all the links and documents posted about the 1975 incidents then you'll see it addresses many of the points you've raised.....

Cheers.

Did you bother watching the video before you posted it? ;)

I read through the documents and links you provided. I suggest you take a second, more critical look as well.

If you read what's there, it takes a pretty big stretch to connect the dots from reporting helicopter sightings at the U.S./Canadian border to the FBI and Border Patrol to evidence of E.T. interference with the U.S. Strategic arsenal.

As I stated, there is no factual basis to support the E.T. nuclear claim. Robert Salas wrote a book of fiction peddled as fact to cash in on the UFO craze, got an interview on Larry King and nobody bothered to check his story so now we have another fantasy story being peddled as history.

If Stanton Friedman can do it, why cant everyone? Its that simple.

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DoubtingJessi

I never even watched the video because of my sucky connection, but I did read the documents. Even if you throw out the helicopter part, there is still enough in the rest of the documents that made me go "hmm." I don't know anything about government documents, but they look legitimate to me.

I just don't know. That was several years before my time but it sounds like a pretty scary series of events to me!

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karl 12

[if you read what's there, it takes a pretty big stretch to connect the dots from reporting helicopter sightings at the U.S./Canadian border to the FBI and Border Patrol to evidence of E.T. interference with the U.S. Strategic arsenal.

Are you being purposefully disingenuous?

Many of the SAC base incidents took place in the vicinity of highly restricted nuclear weapons storage areas (not just 'somewhere' on the US/Canadian border) and some object descriptions sound in no way like helicopters - if you had read the links, government documents and NORAD Command Director's logs then you would know this. I don't think anyone on this thread (other than yourself) has mentioned aliens but some of the unknown objects being described do sound very strange indeed:

Objects being described as "25 yards in diameter, gold or silver in color with blue light on top, hole in middle, and red light on bottom".

It also appears that, as well as several Strategic Air Command bases going on high priority alert due to these incidents - there was also an investigation by the USAF who couldn't find an explanation. Can you take a good, long read of following two paragraphs and explain what it is you don't agree with?

* DOD, USAF, and CIA document reveal that during October, November, and December of 1975, reliable military personnel repeatedly sighted unconventional aerial objects in the vicinity of nuclear-weapons storage areas, aircraft alert areas and nuclear-missile control facilities at Loring Air Force Base, Maine; Wurtsmith AFB Michigan; Malstrom AFB, Montana; Minot AFB, North Dakota; and Canadian Air Forces Station, Ontario. Many of the sightings were confirmed by radar. At Loring AFB, the interloper "demonstrated a clear intent on the weapons storage areas."

* The incidents drew the attention of the CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Secretary of Defense. Though the Air Force informed the public and the press that individual sightings were isolated incidents, an Air Force document says that "Security Option III was implemented and that security measures were coordinated with fifteen (15) Air Force bases from Guam to Newfoundland. Another AF document reveals that the Air Force conducted an investigation into the incidents but found no explanation for their occurrence

There's a report below dealing with Loring AFB -if you've got a sincere interest in the subject then I'd also suggest looking into incidents at Minot and Cannon as well as the work of Lawrence Fawcett and Barry Greenwood.

1975-Loring Air Force Base UFO Sightings

One of the best documented cases of UFOs at a military installation is the Loring Air Force Base UFO sightings in 1975. The case began at 7:45 P.M. on October 27, 1975. Staff Sergeant Danny K. Lewis, who was assigned to hidden weapons, was on duty when he noticed an unidentified flying object about 300 feet above the ground. The craft, with a red navigation light, was coming from the north. Lewis was shocked when the unknown craft entered Loring's official airspace.

As Lewis was watching the UFO, Staff Sergeant James P. Sampley of the 2192nd Communications Squadron was handling the duties at the base control tower. He got a radar return from the UFO, and calculated it at 10 or more miles east-northeast of the base. Sampley's orders in case of a UFO were to hail the craft through all military and civilian radio bands, which he did. There would be no response from the unknown object. He continued to monitor the return on his screen as the UFO began to circle the base. Ultimately, it moved to within 300 yards of the nuclear storage area, which of course, was highly restricted..

The UFO would continue to fly around the Loring field for forty more minutes, before if left its course, and took off in the direction of Grand Falls, New Brunswick. At about 12 miles distance from Loring, it left the radar screens.

UFO comes back second night:

Inconceivably, the very next night at the same exact time, the UFO was back. Lewis was again manning the radar screen, along with Sergeants Blakeslee and Long. The UFO was coming from north of the base, at 3,000 feet. It came to within 3 miles of Loring, sporting orange, red, and white flashing lights. Lewis, Blakeslee, and Long all saw the UFO, and Lewis again reported the object to Loring command.

The Wing Commander went to the nuclear storage area to see the object for himself. He corroborated the sighting of the three officers in the radar room. Tonight though, there would be not one, but two UFOs. A second unknown object was observed by Sergeant Steven Eickner, and others. The group reported an object which was cigar-shaped with lights of orange and red. This second UFO was seen to simply hover in mid-air. Its lights would blink out, and then the object would reappear over the base runway, about 150 feet altitude.

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Drunkenparrot

Are you being purposefully disingenuous?

I'm starting to wonder if one of us is as well?

Are you bothering to even read any of the source material you are posting?

From the first page of your NORAD memo discussing an unidentified helicopter landing in a munitions storage area...

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From the first page of the NMCC document you posted discussing another.... unidentified helicopter.

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And lastly, from the first page of the third document you posted.... yet another reference to an unidentified helicopter.

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I'm starting to wonder if one of us is as well?

Are you bothering to even read any of the source material you are posting?

From the first page of your NORAD memo discussing an unidentified helicopter landing in a munitions storage area...

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From the first page of the NMCC document you posted discussing another.... unidentified helicopter.

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And lastly, from the first page of the third document you posted.... yet another reference to an unidentified helicopter.

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Note, that "helicopter" is mentioned.

That is just another form of cover-up the military. No helicopters were involved for they would have have been tracked until landing. Helicopters were also used to hide our UFO sightings in Vietnam, so I know what I am talking about when I see "helicopters' mentioned in military UFO reports.

The use of the words: "helicopter/helicopters/aircraft" are just means we use to keep unwanted attention away.

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Are you being purposefully disingenuous?

Many of the SAC base incidents took place in the vicinity of highly restricted nuclear weapons storage areas (not just 'somewhere' on the US/Canadian border) and some object descriptions sound in no way like helicopters - if you had read the links, government documents and NORAD Command Director's logs then you would know this. I don't think anyone on this thread (other than yourself) has mentioned aliens but some of the unknown objects being described do sound very strange indeed:

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There are those who have no idea just how easy they can be fooled by our military services.

There was no way those UFOs were helicopters. That proves just how easy the Air Force can pull the wool over the eyes to those who allowed the Air Force to do just that. UFOs in reports in Vietnam, were also mentioned in UFO reports as helicopters, but we knew better, and knew that the crafts were not helicopters at all, but they were mentioned in UFO reports to keep unwanted attention away.

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karl 12

Drunken Parrot, I very much doubt you've listened to any of the military witness reports but, since you chose to ignore the question, I take it you now agree with the paragraphs below?

* DOD, USAF, and CIA document reveal that during October, November, and December of 1975, reliable military personnel repeatedly sighted unconventional aerial objects in the vicinity of nuclear-weapons storage areas, aircraft alert areas and nuclear-missile control facilities at Loring Air Force Base, Maine; Wurtsmith AFB Michigan; Malstrom AFB, Montana; Minot AFB, North Dakota; and Canadian Air Forces Station, Ontario. Many of the sightings were confirmed by radar. At Loring AFB, the interloper "demonstrated a clear intent on the weapons storage areas."

* The incidents drew the attention of the CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Secretary of Defense. Though the Air Force informed the public and the press that individual sightings were isolated incidents, an Air Force document says that "Security Option III was implemented and that security measures were coordinated with fifteen (15) Air Force bases from Guam to Newfoundland. Another AF document reveals that the Air Force conducted an investigation into the incidents but found no explanation for their occurrence.

The reason I asked if you had actualy read the reports is it quite clearly states these unidentified flying objects were witnessed near highly restricted military areas - not just 'somewhere near the US/Canadian border'.

If the USAF investigation couldn't find an explanation for these incursions I'm wondering what you think the reasons are why 'helicopters' should be showing a 'clear intent' towards nuclear weapon storage areas?

"It is our opinion that the unknown helicopter had demonstrated a clear intent in the weapons storage area"

Here are some of the descriptions of 'helicopters' taken from the documents and links - there's also some very intriguing eye-witness testimony from military security teams that you should seriously think about reading here .

This 13-page report with 59 documents would not be possible without the help of Dan Wilson, Brad Sparks, Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett. My work on this compilation began many months ago because of a need for a very comprehensive listing of these important incidents. This report is part of the 30-page 1975 UFO Chronology but covers only the events during the northern tier overflights so that the importance of this intrusion would not be lost in the shuffle.

The official documents provided in this report list the cause of these incidents (in many cases) as "helicopters". It would soon be obvious, and surely now after 30-plus years, that these were DEFINITELY NOT any type of helicopter. The times listed in the documents are ZULU, so local time had to be calculated so we could use the listings in the proper chronological order. Many times this actually changed the DATE of the sighting.

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To summarize briefly, radar picked up the craft over the weapons storage area and followed it to the southeast, where the task of identification was handed over to the KC-135 commander. The KC-135 crew picked it up visually and on radar. Taylor, in his statement to Cahill, never once called the craft a helicopter, but called it "a UFO" and an "object." He said that their speed was about 200 knots, and in each attempt to close with the object, "it would speed away from us." Taylor added that when they were heading back to Wurtsmith, "we turned back in the direction of the UFO, and it really took off... doing approximately 1,000 knots." One thousand knots. Certainly no helicopter ever built could do such a thing.

On November 9, at 3:05 A.M., SAC crews at sites L-l, L-6, and M-l observed a UFO. They described it as being a yellowish, bright, round light twenty miles north of Harlowton at an altitude of 2,000 to 4,000 feet. At 3:20 A.M., the SAC Command Post reported the UFO twenty miles southeast of Lewiston. The color of the object was reported as orange-white, and its appearance was round or disc-shaped.

The object looked like all the colors were blending together, as if you were looking at a desert scene. You see waves of heat rising off the desert floor. This is what I saw. There were these waves in front of the object and all the colors were blending together. The object was solid and we could not hear any noise coming from it.

Documents:

Two separate patrols from Site R reported sighting 3 oblong objects with a reddish tint moving East to West..One individual stated the object was about the size of a 2 and a half ton truck

Objects being described as "25 yards in diameter, gold or silver in color with blue light on top, hole in middle, and red light on bottom".

SAC CP reports UFO 20 miles southeast of Lewiston, orange white disc object. 24th NORAD Region surveillance checking area.

Received a call from the 341st Strategic Air Command Post (SAC CP), saying that the following missile locations reported seeing a large red to orange to yellow object.

The orange/gold object overhead also has small lights on it. SAC also advises female civilian reports having seen an object bearing south from her position six miles west of Lewiston.

L-1 reports that the object to their northeast seems to be issuing a black object from it, tubular in shape. In all this time, surveillance has not been able to detect any sort of track except for known traffic.

I'd also be interested why you think NORAD were taking the time to collate civilian UFO sightings from around the same time whilst on high priority alert?

He saw a cigar shaped object with red, green and white flashing lights, going up and down and making sharp turns"

"She saw an object hovering at tree top level in a clearing near power lines one half miles distant. It had four red lights in diamond shape and two white flashing lights"

"It was rotating -going back and forth at a high altitude and had white, blue and red lights"

"In a partly cloudy sky, he saw one bright object about 70% elevation, like a cup in a bowl. He was looking at it through binoculars"

"They were followed by a huge oval shaped object with white blinking lights"

Just as an afterthought, there is also this very interesting UFO report from Minot AFB's Nuclear Weapon storage areas in 1968 - after taking the time to acquaint yourself with the facts surrounding the incident, would you say this object was also a helicopter?

The Minot AFB B-52 UFO Incident

Cheers.

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Drunken Parrot, I very much doubt you've listened to any of the military witness reports but, since you chose to ignore the question, I take it you now agree with the paragraphs below?

The Minot AFB B-52 UFO Incident

Cheers.

It just goes to show just how easily the Air Force can, and has, duped the public on UFOs. Here, the UFOs were described as helicopters, when the Air Force knew full well that no helicopters were involved.

I have repeatedly warned skeptics not to go into 'debunk mode,' if they are unware of the rest of the story.

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