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Alien Being

Yea, I've seen this mate.

I know one of these couples whos child has been in about 20 schools.

It's also a lesbian couple but with a boy child and the kid does not have a single friend, he actually has to go to a psychiatrist.

Then there's another one that's less bad but still their child hardly had friends and gets beaten up a lot.

And third my parents know of a couple whos kid hated them so much for being gay that once he was 18 he moved out and rather worked his ass off for a 1 room apartment then living with them.

I seriously doubt, that this is a coincidence....

I'm fine with gay's but keep of the damn children.

And there we go the psychological aspect of it.

All kids come across bullies but the ones that get bullied are the ones that dont know how to interact, comunicate and get along with other people. A boy with two female parents doesnt pick up the social skills needed to get along with other boys as the father figure is missing. Furthermore they will attempt to shape the boy in the way they think is right which is differant from how the father would shape him so again he has problems getting along with other boys.

Then we have to look at why the parents are lesbians? Have they had bad experiences with men? Do they get along with straight men? Having two lesbians as parents has dysnfunctional written all over it.

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Alien Being

Unbelievable... I mean really.

Geeze, I'm middle-aged and had friends that came from households with same sex parents! Why didn't they have these problems? Oh ya, maybe that's because I was raised in an ultra-liberal area of the USA where per capita people are the most educated in North America, and are financially well set. I think it's a lack of education, fear, and narrow mindedness create the problem.

Heck, I babysat a little boy in the early 80s whose father was a single and gay parent (he adopted him at age 6, after having him as a foster son). Lovely man, and his son turned out to be just as lovely AFTER his gay father gave that him the love, structure, and support he needed to recover from the abuse and neglect his biological hetro parents put him through. Guess what? He even grew up to be straight! Married, with two precious little girls of his own, and those little girls sure love their g-pa-pa!! Wow! Who'd-a-thunk it?!

That man was my 5th grade teacher, his son is in his 30s now and I still hear from both of them occasionally. Just love them and think what they did was amazing.

Your arrogance regarding education is shocking.

I have an engineering degree, I think Liberalism and atheism should be made illegal and I'm totally opposed to homosexuality. Furthermore if you actually went and surveryed those with engineering, physics and philosophy degrees you will find all the ones that have come across duality have views at odds with yours.

Education does not equal Liberalism, atheism or gay-friendly.

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Alien Being

I love how alien totally ignored ,all my kick ass points on page 5, that defeated all of his puny arguments to begin with, well they weren't even arguements just lousy bigot statements.

Well you certainly seem to be under that impression.

Why cant I be anti-gay and not be a bigot?

Shall I call you a bigot for not having my views?

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MissMelsWell

Your arrogance regarding education is shocking.

I have an engineering degree, I think Liberalism and atheism should be made illegal and I'm totally opposed to homosexuality. Furthermore if you actually went and surveryed those with engineering, physics and philosophy degrees you will find all the ones that have come across duality have views at odds with yours.

Education does not equal Liberalism, atheism or gay-friendly.

I am an education SNOB. So much so I didn't even send my own kid to school until college... at age 14.

And, I am a software engineer... I don't find any of my peers (most of whom are engineers) to be at odds with what I believe.

You're pretty backward cupcake. And, shockingly intolerant, bigoted and well, I kind of think you HAVE to be trolling at this point.

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shadowhive

Your arrogance regarding education is shocking.

I have an engineering degree, I think Liberalism and atheism should be made illegal and I'm totally opposed to homosexuality. Furthermore if you actually went and surveryed those with engineering, physics and philosophy degrees you will find all the ones that have come across duality have views at odds with yours.

Education does not equal Liberalism, atheism or gay-friendly.

So basically if you were in charge anyone that didn't agree with you would be out right?

Why are you opposed to homosexuality? What harm is it to you if two people love each other?

Also why's atheism of all things a problem to you? So what if people don't believe in god. It doesn't matter. (I guess if you were in charge you'd also get rid of anyone that worshipped any other religion too)

I am sure they're talking about a different sort of education, the kind that says that all humans are equal regardless of the colour of their skin, sexuality, parentage or religion. Clearly you've never had that.

And yes, you are a bigot. Your comments have proved that.

Makes me glad you're not in a position of power.

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MissMelsWell

Well you certainly seem to be under that impression.

Why cant I be anti-gay and not be a bigot?

Shall I call you a bigot for not having my views?

LOL, you might think you're an educted guy, but you must have skipped English class:

Big-ot

n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

I could care less what anyone's religion, race, politcs are... I have no problem with anyone as long as they aren't actively trying to subjugate other's rights or treat them as second class citizens. So, no, none of us can be called bigots, however you are pretty much the classic definition of one if we are to take your words at face value.

And, if you don't think you fit that definition, then why don't you share with us an example of someone who could be called a bigot.

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Alien Being

So basically if you were in charge anyone that didn't agree with you would be out right?

Why are you opposed to homosexuality? What harm is it to you if two people love each other?

Also why's atheism of all things a problem to you? So what if people don't believe in god. It doesn't matter. (I guess if you were in charge you'd also get rid of anyone that worshipped any other religion too)

I am sure they're talking about a different sort of education, the kind that says that all humans are equal regardless of the colour of their skin, sexuality, parentage or religion. Clearly you've never had that.

And yes, you are a bigot. Your comments have proved that.

Makes me glad you're not in a position of power.

If I was in charge my Government would be tolerant of the fact that some people do have the urge to sleep with the same sex however they wouldnt be allowed to practice it.

If they dont feel strong enough to resist the urge then they will be offered councilling and help with a psychologist however if they get caught acting on their homosexual urges they get a prison sentence for the first offence followed by the death penalty for repeat offencses. The reason for this is we only want to waste the life of a productive citizen if we have too.

As for other religions they would be free to practice in my nation so long as they remember they are in a Christain country and no form of extremism from them will be tolerated. They would also be allowed to construct houses of worship however as the amount of immigrants in my nation would be much lower so would the cultural impact they have overall.

Finally people are not equals and I am disturbed at this socialist lie which is being promoted universally. People come in all sorts of differant shapes, sizes, abilities and whatever else so how can we claim they are equals? We should have a state that promotes excellence not trys to dumb everybody down to the same level as Pol-Pot would do.

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Alien Being

LOL, you might think you're an educted guy, but you must have skipped English class:

Big-ot

n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

I could care less what anyone's religion, race, politcs are... I have no problem with anyone as long as they aren't actively trying to subjugate other's rights or treat them as second class citizens. So, no, none of us can be called bigots, however you are pretty much the classic definition of one if we are to take your words at face value.

And, if you don't think you fit that definition, then why don't you share with us an example of someone who could be called a bigot.

I do not aspire to distorted Liberal morals and try as you might my views on homosexuality will never change.

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MissMelsWell

I do not aspire to distorted Liberal morals and try as you might my views on homosexuality will never change.

My definition and question was clear. You didn't answer it. You responded with Word Salad.

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Odin11

If I was in charge my Government would be tolerant of the fact that some people do have the urge to sleep with the same sex however they wouldnt be allowed to practice it.

If they dont feel strong enough to resist the urge then they will be offered councilling and help with a psychologist however if they get caught acting on their homosexual urges they get a prison sentence for the first offence followed by the death penalty for repeat offencses. The reason for this is we only want to waste the life of a productive citizen if we have too.

As for other religions they would be free to practice in my nation so long as they remember they are in a Christain country and no form of extremism from them will be tolerated. They would also be allowed to construct houses of worship however as the amount of immigrants in my nation would be much lower so would the cultural impact they have overall.

Finally people are not equals and I am disturbed at this socialist lie which is being promoted universally. People come in all sorts of differant shapes, sizes, abilities and whatever else so how can we claim they are equals? We should have a state that promotes excellence not trys to dumb everybody down to the same level as Pol-Pot would do.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Welcome to Saudi Arabia.

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TSS

If I was in charge my Government would be tolerant of the fact that some people do have the urge to sleep with the same sex however they wouldnt be allowed to practice it.

If they dont feel strong enough to resist the urge then they will be offered councilling and help with a psychologist however if they get caught acting on their homosexual urges they get a prison sentence for the first offence followed by the death penalty for repeat offencses. The reason for this is we only want to waste the life of a productive citizen if we have too.

As for other religions they would be free to practice in my nation so long as they remember they are in a Christain country and no form of extremism from them will be tolerated. They would also be allowed to construct houses of worship however as the amount of immigrants in my nation would be much lower so would the cultural impact they have overall.

Finally people are not equals and I am disturbed at this socialist lie which is being promoted universally. People come in all sorts of differant shapes, sizes, abilities and whatever else so how can we claim they are equals? We should have a state that promotes excellence not trys to dumb everybody down to the same level as Pol-Pot would do.

If I was in charge, you would be sectioned.

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Alien Being

Ladies and Gentlemen, Welcome to Saudi Arabia.

It is not Saudi Arabia it is how Britain used to be not so long ago.

I dont believe in cutting peoples hands off for thieving, I do not make you wear Burkas and women dont get stoned to death.

If I was in charge, you would be sectioned.

So you're intolerant of those who oppose the Liberal nation you'd like to live in. In your nation you'd section everybody against what you were doing? Doesnt that make you a Liberal fascist?

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TSS

So you're intolerant of those who oppose the Liberal nation you'd like to live in. In your nation you'd section everybody against what you were doing? Doesnt that make you a Liberal fascist?

I'm opposed to extremist views, and anybody making dumb rules based on their warped beliefs, hence, I'm opposed to you and everything you stand for on this thread.

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TSS

Noooooooo. Not you.

I'm just so shocked that alien (and he must be from another planet) could be such a troll. At this point, I think he's just saying stuff to inflame intentionally.

lol...ok...you had me reading my own post a few times then to work out what I had written to be classed a troll lol.

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Perdition

If I was in charge my Government would be tolerant of the fact that some people do have the urge to sleep with the same sex however they wouldnt be allowed to practice it.

If they dont feel strong enough to resist the urge then they will be offered councilling and help with a psychologist however if they get caught acting on their homosexual urges they get a prison sentence for the first offence followed by the death penalty for repeat offencses. The reason for this is we only want to waste the life of a productive citizen if we have too.

As for other religions they would be free to practice in my nation so long as they remember they are in a Christain country and no form of extremism from them will be tolerated. They would also be allowed to construct houses of worship however as the amount of immigrants in my nation would be much lower so would the cultural impact they have overall.

Finally people are not equals and I am disturbed at this socialist lie which is being promoted universally. People come in all sorts of differant shapes, sizes, abilities and whatever else so how can we claim they are equals? We should have a state that promotes excellence not trys to dumb everybody down to the same level as Pol-Pot would do.

People like you make me sick. You would suppress the rights of individuals based on your own beliefs yet they have done nothing to harm you. You would sentence homosexuals to death because they cannot control who they fall in love with is a prime example of how nazi germany was. You were killed if you were a jew, by your statement people would be killed if they were homosexual. There is no difference between that and nazi germany.

What if the smartest person was a homosexual? What if your doctor was a homosexual? What if the policeman who helped you was a homosexual? Would you banish them away from you even though they HELPED YOU? There is nothing different between homosexuals and heterosexuals but who they fall in love with. They can equally be as smart, as hard working, as anybody else in the world.

I embrace everyone for their differences. I value everyone equally no matter their race, sexual orientation, anything, because i see them as a person of the same species.

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Alien Being

I know amazing isn't it?

Let us review.

The first paragraph, is what David Duke, notable Klansman believes.

The second paragraph is how communist China works.

The THRID paragraph is how the done away with Indian Caste system worked.

Charming guy isnt' he? LOL.

At this point, I think he's just trying to start a fame war, and I'm embarassed to say, I've bitten the hook.

Only in America could I be accused of being a troll if Im anti-gay

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shadowhive

I think you're right MissMelsWell and I've fallen for it too.

Only in America could I be accused of being a troll if Im anti-gay

No, you get called a troll becuase you say you'd execute gay people if you had had power.

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TSS

Only in America could I be accused of being a troll if Im anti-gay

Why do you care about the private lives of people that differ from you?

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Paranormalcy

I'm going to start handing out official warnings if the ad-hominem attacks between posters continue.

Calling others insane, sick, etc. Controversial, unpopular (or popular), opposing, etc. ideas and viewpoints can be disagreed with, strongly, but no matter how much you find another poster's opinions offensive, if they are civil, it is not permissible to be abusive to them. If you do find THEIR post offensive - REPORT them, do NOT engage in ugly bickering and non-productive arguing (the bad kind).

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Odin11

And i know people who killed them selves afterwards.

You really can't deny that a stable straight couple is the best parenting duo.

Secondly I never said that the people turn gay if their parents are, rather the opposite, a lot of them turn to hate gays.

Forth, A single gay parent imo is better then a married one since the kid doesn't get confused as much with awkward occasions as to having to tell that he has two dads. Altho I don't get what he adopted a kid for I find it less crazy then the other cases.

To avoid misconceptions, a gay couple can be a good parenting duo but it, like a pc without a keyboard, misses something.

And the main problem is that 98% of the population lives in such places where it is NOT ok to have gay parents.

If you live in a rich neighbourhood then ok, glad for you, just like there are places where nazis get tolerated there are places where gays are tolerated. BUT that does not mean that it's ok all over the world now.

I can find many studies that say otherwise, here are a few:

A considerable body of research has examined the development of children of gays and lesbians, including physical and emotional health, intelligence, adjustment, sense of self, moral judgment, and social and sexual functioning, and has indicated no concerns. (AAP Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, 2002; Mooney-Somers & Golombok, 2000; C. J. Patterson, 1997; Perrin and AAP Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, 2002)

There is no consistent difference between homosexual and heterosexual parents in emotional health or parenting skills and attitudes (Perrin and AAP Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, 2002)

Children of homosexuals are no more likely than children raised by heterosexual parents to have social or psychological problems (Chan, Raboy, & Patterson,1998; Mooney-Somers & Golombok, 2000; C. J. Patterson, 1997)

I have also never read a peer-reviewed study that did not say what the above say.

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Mattshark

It is not Saudi Arabia it is how Britain used to be not so long ago.

It has been nothing remotely like Saudi in well over a century.

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shadowhive

I'm going to start handing out official warnings if the ad-hominem attacks between posters continue.

Calling others insane, sick, etc. Controversial, unpopular (or popular), opposing, etc. ideas and viewpoints can be disagreed with, strongly, but no matter how much you find another poster's opinions offensive, if they are civil, it is not permissible to be abusive to them. If you do find THEIR post offensive - REPORT them, do NOT engage in ugly bickering and non-productive arguing (the bad kind).

I'm sorry, but how do you expect us to react to someone like that? When someone says they'd excute you and people you know just for being who they are you're goin g to be angry and find them insane and sick. Which they ARE.

(And to be honest, I only thought reporting was for people posting spam etc)

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Alien Being

I'm sorry, but how do you expect us to react to someone like that? When someone says they'd excute you and people you know just for being who they are you're goin g to be angry and find them insane and sick. Which they ARE.

(And to be honest, I only thought reporting was for people posting spam etc)

A lot of people on this planet share the same beliefs as me.

On any internet forum a wide variety of beliefs will be uncovered and the admins job is to allow all viewpoints to be heard so long as its conducted in the proper manner. If you disagree with what I believe thats your choice however to start disrespecting the other posters wont be tolerated.

You dont win arguments by smashing the opposition with a hammer you do it by talking with them. In some cases the opposing people wont except your arguments and when that happens theres nothing you can do about it.

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shadowhive

A lot of people on this planet share the same beliefs as me.

On any internet forum a wide variety of beliefs will be uncovered and the admins job is to allow all viewpoints to be heard so long as its conducted in the proper manner. If you disagree with what I believe thats your choice however to start disrespecting the other posters wont be tolerated.

You dont win arguments by smashing the opposition with a hammer you do it by talking with them. In some cases the opposing people wont except your arguments and when that happens theres nothing you can do about it.

When we have tried talking to you in a civilised manner you've mostly ignored what we've said or missed the point entirely.

It's fair enough to have a different belief, but when you say that you'd execute gay people if you were in power that's over the line. Especially when you know that some of the other posters would be included in that. Conversely, if I was in power, I wouldn't have you imprisoned or executed just because you believe something different.

You want a reasoned arguement though? Ok, as long as you answer just as reasonably then I'll give it a go. How about if you had a brain tumor and the only surgeon specialised enough to do it in time was gay? Would you rather die then let them help you save your life?

If you had a life saving organ transplant would you instantly want it removed if you found out the donor happened to be gay?

As others have said, you have probably met and dealt with gay people in your life and liked them without knowing about it. Yet, thoughtlessly, you seem to think that they must all be evil and immoral to the point where they should be executed. Now, you say you're Christian right? Well, I'm pretty sure that killing people is in there as being wrong a damn bit more then being gay is.

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Saru

On any internet forum a wide variety of beliefs will be uncovered and the admins job is to allow all viewpoints to be heard so long as its conducted in the proper manner. If you disagree with what I believe thats your choice however to start disrespecting the other posters wont be tolerated.

I have to sincerely question whether your opinion is genuinely what you believe or that its simply the most disturbing thing you can come up with in order to provoke a reaction in others - either way there's a line to be drawn at which an opinion constitutes discrimination and hatred. Stating that you'd execute homosexuals is in my opinion, crossing that line.

From the forum rules:

3a. Racism or hatred: We have zero tolerance for racism or hatred towards any specific race, religion, country, gender, individual or group.

I suggest we steer this discussion back towards the original news story being discussed.

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