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catalyst of change

Then don't ask me questions. I told you a couple of external sources with tk. If you're done then find someone else like genome

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aquatus1

Then don't ask me questions.

This is a discussion forum. You post here, expect to be questioned. I asked you questions, you answered, and based on your answers, I determined that you had not verified your abilities objectively. Additionally, I also got the impression that you were avoiding some of the questions I was asking. I hid nothing, and I told you very clearly what my stance was. My final post was one last chance to determine if there is anything other than subjectivity to your claim, but again, the question was avoided. I won't ask you any more questions, as I do not believe that you can do what you claim, and I am not convinced that you do not know this.

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catalyst of change

Believe what u wish. I see no questions of yours that I avoided. Most were just comments. You said you wanted nothing further to do with me so I gave you an alternative person to research. I have tested my techniques on ppl with their permission without telling them what my action will be and they tell me if they experienced what I attempted on them. This helps ME verify things so I know I'm not crazy. This has been done over long distances as well to further expand my abilities and know if what I'm doing over long distances is having any effect. So I guess external sources would be other citizens even though most are friends.

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Agent. Mulder

Believe what u wish. I see no questions of yours that I avoided. Most were just comments. You said you wanted nothing further to do with me so I gave you an alternative person to research. I have tested my techniques on ppl with their permission without telling them what my action will be and they tell me if they experienced what I attempted on them. This helps ME verify things so I know I'm not crazy. This has been done over long distances as well to further expand my abilities and know if what I'm doing over long distances is having any effect. So I guess external sources would be other citizens even though most are friends.

we only believe it, because no one has shown us otherwise.

its odd, and annoying since no one can prove their abilities to anyone but themselves.

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Gauss

its odd, and annoying since no one can prove their abilities to anyone but themselves.

Is that not be the whole point? Everyone must enlighten to it by themselves, otherwise there would not be the question about its existence and everyone would come and learn it since everyone knew it was "proven".

Anyone who wants to know must decide to input the time and effort to learn to see by himself. That is called enlightenment quality in cultivation. Inborn quality gives you an edge since you may see something without practicing.

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Agent. Mulder

Is that not be the whole point? Everyone must enlighten to it by themselves, otherwise there would not be the question about its existence and everyone would come and learn it since everyone knew it was "proven".

no, that doesnt even make sense. its a terrible cop out. "Prove god exists" "well, i believe it does, i enlightened myself, so there, it does". no, thats not how it works.

what we WANT, is to not question its existance.

Anyone who wants to know must decide to input the time and effort to learn to see by himself. That is called enlightenment quality in cultivation. Inborn quality gives you an edge since you may see something without practicing.

people have put forth effort and found nothing. and people who Claim they can do it, put in no effort to show people it does.

this is not about this new age enlightenment crap youre talking about.

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Gauss

people have put forth effort and found nothing. and people who Claim they can do it, put in no effort to show people it does.

this is not about this new age enlightenment crap youre talking about.

How does one know the "school" of learning to find "it" is good?

Is there not extremely few schools out there that many people follow to be able to see "it"?

There is only one such school with more than 100 million practitioners.

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Moonie2012

As it has been said, just believing that you are doing something doesn't mean you are ACTUALLY doing it. The mind is easily fooled, so mere belief and stories don't mean squat.

The only way to truly know if this power exists is to measure it as it affects the physical world under controlled settings (sorry, psiwheels don't count). Until that happens, it's just a bunch of stories that don't deserve to be taken seriously.

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Agent. Mulder

How does one know the "school" of learning to find "it" is good?

Is there not extremely few schools out there that many people follow to be able to see "it"?

There is only one such school with more than 100 million practitioners.

drop the philosophical crap. it doesnt apply here. its like youre trying to wiggle out of this.

what school has more than 100 million practitioners? you mean a religion?

the point is, no one can seem to prove it to Anyone, aside from themselves.

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Paranormalcy

First, let's cut down on the tone of animosity and contentiousness.

But the questions and points are valid - if you ask someone to highlight the merits of Tai-Chi, Yoga or various other somewhat similar ideas, even aromatherapy, you'll get at least a generic but pretty "factual" (from the "seller's" POV) rundown of just what these things are.

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Gauss

drop the philosophical crap. it doesnt apply here. its like youre trying to wiggle out of this.

what school has more than 100 million practitioners? you mean a religion?

the point is, no one can seem to prove it to Anyone, aside from themselves.

I agree 100% with your views on the "proof" question. My advice is to accept those rules and decide whether you want to remain the same person or if you want to cultivate your heart and mind. Most people want to stay the same, especially in the west. Some people with good inborn quality, it is enough to say a few words about cultivation and off they go to double-Lotus position seeing scenes on day one. Predestination it is called I believe.

From my point of view it is alot harder to wake up every morning knowing that the objective of this day is to try and raise my cultivation level just that little bit higher and becoming just a tiny bit more benevolent compassionate and virtuous than yesterday.

There is only one public high-level self-cultivation school out there today with more than 100 million practitioners cultivating despite being persecuted to death in China, that is Falun Dafa and it is no religion whatsoever(no priests, no buildings, no money, no organization etc). It is all a matter of the person being willing to change his mind and heart and few are ready to do it in the west.

Anyway, by now you have seen my point of view, let´s see some more examples of spiritual weaponry(high-level cultivators)...

In case people want to do battle for good versus evil this school is outstanding.

There is a reason so many martial arts specialists become Dafa cultivators... ;)

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Gauss

Here we have the story from a prodigial cultivator called Shan Shan, nine years old(speaking about spiritual weaponry):

http://pureinsight.org/node/307

What Shanshan Saw in Other Dimensions (I)

* Cultivation Stories

The Falun Cleans Up at Different Levels of Dimensions

Right now, in other dimensions, except the Earth, it is indescribably clear and extraordinarily beautiful. The heavens in other dimensions are all starting to 'live,' festively singing and dancing, and frequently having big get-togethers. Only the Earth is fearfully dirty and filled with demons, Futi animals, strange monsters, and ghosts. There are too many to be described.

Sometimes people would oddly feel cold in the sunlight, which is sometimes caused by ghosts and demons around their bodies. These demons are negative and are all crowded on the Earth. They try to possess human bodies by all possible means. Right when a person thinks or does very bad things, they would fly over and take over his body within a second. The countless aliens and various animals that are not able to possess human beings are looking for opportunities at every second to control humans.

There is a large, round and ring-like screen radiating rays on Earth, and the beings inside the screen cannot get out. The universe is full of Faluns cleaning up demons. There is also a flaming red sphere on which is written 'Truthfulness, Compassion, Tolerance.' The sphere is cleaning up the entire universe from high-level dimensions to the Earth, and it deals with and destroys all evil demons. There are also many Buddhas, Taos, heavenly beings, and divine beings, even the sun, the Fire God, the Electric God, and the Sea God; all have come out to battle the demons. In the low-level dimensions, the spirits (yuanshen) of trees, flowers, and houses all watch these things happening.

The Flaming Red Sphere is charging towards the Earth at a tremendous speed. I feel when it reaches the Earth the annular screen will be gone. When that happens, a very big event will occur.

Ever since more than a year ago, wherever the Flaming Red Sphere and Faluns went, there was drastic heavenly fighting. With excitement and fury to such an extent, it is more splendid than any movie, or Xi You Ji (Journey to the West/a classical Chinese novel) by a countless times. Evil was most powerful about a year ago. There were innumerable numbers of demons: skeletons, big black and white demonic dogs, huge pythons, and iron face-shaped monsters, and others gathering together. There was a leader who made commands in each group of demons. Arranging various types of formations, all demonic groups cooperated with one another to battle with Faluns and Gods. The scene was much like an ancient battlefield in a story. The evil demons used different kinds of powers to rush at the Faluns. Some spurted thick black paste at the Faluns and the huge pythons bit and tightly held onto the Faluns. A type of monsters that looked like hairy worms gulped down the Faluns; but the Faluns rotated inside them at a very high speed until the worms were completely dissolved. Some demons charged at the Faluns with their bellies. The Faluns dissolved the bodies of the demons starting from the belly. While many of the huge pythons tightly bit the Faluns, their tails were being dissolved; but their heads would continue to bite the Faluns until they were totally dissolved. There were a couple of black ghosts that had only a round head without arms and legs. They spurted out an extremely filthy liquid at the Falun, making the Falun quite dirty. The Falun then automatically washed itself, and gave off a continuous red gas to nail them there. The ghosts screamed and begged the Falun to spare their lives. However, the Falun gave off more and more of the red gas to wrap them up eventually. The demons disappeared while the red gas dispersed. The poisoned demons were not afraid of dying or being completely eliminated. They just hated the Faluns. Their eyes glowed red and showed hatred. None of the demons could beat the Faluns. The Faluns in the end destroyed all of the large demons that had come down from higher levels. Some demons changed into imitation Faluns but were immediately destroyed. A few started to become imitation Faluns and pretended to aid the Faluns in capturing other demons. When the Falun wasn't paying attention, the imitation Faluns secretly let go of the little demons that were captured. But, those demons were quickly destroyed.

When some demons could no longer fight, they charged towards the Earth. Most of them went to China, especially Beijing. They took over people's bodies by all means. Once Faluns found them, they would immediately be destroyed. The Party leader and his group of followers have many animal possessions on their bodies. In addition, there are also many people wearing police uniforms who have a lot of animal possessions on their bodies. The Falun did not care about these animal possessions on the wicked people.

Some demons could not take possession over human bodies in China, so they went to other countries, looking for bad people to possess and then do bad things. Once living beings came to Earth, they could never escape.

A Falun would often battled by itself without inviting other Buddhas or Gods to help. But, many Buddhas, divine beings, and enlightened beings, the righteous forces of the universe would come out on their own initiatives. The Electric God, the Fire God, all came out to help the Falun in clearing up evil demons with their supernormal capabilities resembling electricity, fire, and tornadoes.

When the Sea God wanted to come out to assist in the fighting, his several daughters were all strongly opposed. Because the evil demons were extraordinarily powerful, the Sea God could be injured in the fighting. But, his attitude was steadfast. I saw that when the Sea God wanted to go out to fight, his daughters exerted their utmost strength to pull him back and didn't let him exit the water. Seeing the furious warfare outside, the Sea God then used his strength and dashed out of the ocean. Riding his yellow, wave-shaped chariot, he engaged in battle with evil demons. There was an extremely powerful demon fowl that could discharge electricity. When the Sea God battled with it, its electricity shocked him. The Sea God was very brave. In the end, he returned home safely. But, his daughters didn't come out of the water.

The majority of the Gods came out to assist the Faluns in fighting. However, there were also some that didn't get involved as if these happenings were not related to them. They sustained their conditions. I saw that the spirits (yuanshen) of many different trees, grass, flowers, and even buildings were all watching everything happen. Every single strand of grass on the whole Earth is related to Fa-rectification.

There are many, many of these kinds of stories. These scenes are spectacular. Divine beings at war used various supernormal capabilities, while the demons also have many different skills. I saw that when Buddhas cleaned up evil demons, they didn't use their hands at all; they just sat there doing the sitting meditation. Once he lifted his eyes and looked up, the demons would be dissolved.

I saw Faluns go up to the moon where dark beings were deposited, and with one scoop into the ground they were destroyed. Right now, both the moon and the sun are clean.

These scenes have not been seen for several months because everything has already been cleared up. In the most recent period of time, it seems that some issues with divine beings have been dealt with in the heavens. Some divine beings that were not up to the standard were annihilated and disintegrated; some were knocked down onto the Earth.

One being was knocked down with a stick. While he was falling to the Earth, simultaneously, his body gradually turned into a plant. When he finally dropped to the Earth, he was a plant with many red fruits and flowers. After some divine beings and Buddhas were dealt with, their paradises were destroyed. The destroying process was like a huge explosion. In the end, the paradises turned into fragments and dust and landed on the Earth. Some stars, after exploding, would become pieces of gems or stones and fell into caves that no one ever goes to, or into a pile of dirt.

When the people who scolded or hated Dafa die, their spirits (yuanshen) would have already been eliminated. When their spirits left the bodies, they were already aware of everything and felt endless pain and extreme grief. Their expressions were as if they were leaving their most, most beloved or treasured person. But, just seconds after they left the bodies, their spirits were sucked in and dissolved by the Flaming Red Sphere (mentioned above). Everything was gone.

There appears to be a standard or a line. Three types of people must be annihilated. One of them is a person that swears at Dafa in his heart, but not out loud; another is one that swears at Dafa out loud and in his heart; the third is one that swears at Dafa out loud, but not in his heart. Those who hated Dafa and have been destroyed were mostly older people. Some people who didn't swear at Dafa were destroyed as well; these people were drug addicts. After their flesh bodies died, they were eliminated.

Those villainous people that beat Falun Dafa practitioners all have many animal possessions on their bodies. The evil demons clustered on the Earth still often gather to discuss how to persecute Dafa. The giant python's commander in chief is in India. The various animals and poisonous demons are all gathered in China. These beings all know they will be destroyed. Their reason of existence is to undermine Dafa.

I just want to cry when I see a number of ordinary people and Dafa practitioners that are not diligent in cultivation. Every minute on this Earth is precious and it is all given by the Teacher. These people still hold on to their thoughts and spend their time on meaningless things, but they do not know what they will face in the future.

(Story related by Shanshan, and recorded by her mother.)

(source: clearwisdom.net)

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Dougal

No offence, but that seems to be the kind of story that you'd expect from a nine year old who's watched a bit too much anime. Albeit in more depth than most nine year olds would go. Whilst being a very nice story, it doesn't really prove that spiritual weaponry is real.

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Gauss

No offence, but that seems to be the kind of story that you'd expect from a nine year old who's watched a bit too much anime. Albeit in more depth than most nine year olds would go. Whilst being a very nice story, it doesn't really prove that spiritual weaponry is real.

Have we not concluded that these things won´t ever be "proven" to the public(at least until "that day" arrives)?

Each one is responsible to enlightening(rather cultivating) by himself. Of course the vast majority of all people will say this is all fairy tales. That is ok, that small minority is different than the rest.

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Dougal

Have we not concluded that these things won´t ever be "proven" to the public(at least until "that day" arrives)?

Each one is responsible to enlightening(rather cultivating) by himself. Of course the vast majority of all people will say this is all fairy tales. That is ok, that small minority is different than the rest.

You might have concluded that. I've concluded that they'll most likely never be proven.

You don't have to fulfill any special requirments to be hit by lightning, nor to be burnt by fire. What makes this "psychic energy" so different that you have to believe in it before you can access it?

Each person may be responsible for their own enlightenment, but what does that have to do with this? If you don't understand, nor believe in electricity, or electrons, a lightning bolt still fries you just the same.

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Agent. Mulder

I agree 100% with your views on the "proof" question. My advice is to accept those rules and decide whether you want to remain the same person or if you want to cultivate your heart and mind. Most people want to stay the same, especially in the west. Some people with good inborn quality, it is enough to say a few words about cultivation and off they go to double-Lotus position seeing scenes on day one. Predestination it is called I believe.

From my point of view it is alot harder to wake up every morning knowing that the objective of this day is to try and raise my cultivation level just that little bit higher and becoming just a tiny bit more benevolent compassionate and virtuous than yesterday.

There is only one public high-level self-cultivation school out there today with more than 100 million practitioners cultivating despite being persecuted to death in China, that is Falun Dafa and it is no religion whatsoever(no priests, no buildings, no money, no organization etc). It is all a matter of the person being willing to change his mind and heart and few are ready to do it in the west.

Anyway, by now you have seen my point of view, let´s see some more examples of spiritual weaponry(high-level cultivators)...

In case people want to do battle for good versus evil this school is outstanding.

There is a reason so many martial arts specialists become Dafa cultivators... ;)

that still almost sounds like a religion (religions dont need priests, money etc and the building part was irrelavent).

if its a belief system, then it can be viewed as a religion in a way.

and what do you define as good, and what is evil?

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Agent. Mulder

Here we have the story from a prodigial cultivator called Shan Shan, nine years old(speaking about spiritual weaponry):

http://pureinsight.org/node/307

What Shanshan Saw in Other Dimensions (I)

* Cultivation Stories

yeah, because we should all buy into what this 9 year old kid is saying.

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Agent. Mulder

Have we not concluded that these things won´t ever be "proven" to the public(at least until "that day" arrives)?

Each one is responsible to enlightening(rather cultivating) by himself. Of course the vast majority of all people will say this is all fairy tales. That is ok, that small minority is different than the rest.

thats such crap. not proven to the Public? but certain people in the Public around the world?

how does that even make sense FG?

small minorities are wrong many times, but sadly they grow into bigger things (religion).

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Gauss

thats such crap. not proven to the Public? but certain people in the Public around the world?

how does that even make sense FG?

small minorities are wrong many times, but sadly they grow into bigger things (religion).

You always use a nice vocabulary.

Is spiritual weaponry in other dimensions proven to the scientific community and accepted in the public?? To my best of knowledge, no.

How many times did I say that in case someone goes to other dimensions and see them he will believe in them after a while? And few people will believe him after he explains what he has enlightened to...

Yes, at least 100 million people practice FG cultivation and you believe they are all wrong.

Nothing new.

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Speakeasy

You always use a nice vocabulary.

Is spiritual weaponry in other dimensions proven to the scientific community and accepted in the public?? To my best of knowledge, no.

How many times did I say that in case someone goes to other dimensions and see them he will believe in them after a while? And few people will believe him after he explains what he has enlightened to...

Yes, at least 100 million people practice FG cultivation and you believe they are all wrong.

Nothing new.

This is a logical fallacy known as "argumentum ad populum", or "appealing to the masses". The argument being that something is true simply because a lot of people believe in it. I'm sure I could find 100 million people who believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago, that doesn't, however, make it true. :)

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Gauss

This is a logical fallacy known as "argumentum ad populum", or "appealing to the masses". The argument being that something is true simply because a lot of people believe in it. I'm sure I could find 100 million people who believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago, that doesn't, however, make it true. :)

I never said 100 million people believing in something automatically makes their belief the truth, that is your words.

You don´t believe in it and it makes sense that the majority won´t believe in that. Why is it said it so hard to obtain the "Fa"? This is one reason.

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Agent. Mulder

You always use a nice vocabulary.

Is spiritual weaponry in other dimensions proven to the scientific community and accepted in the public?? To my best of knowledge, no.

How many times did I say that in case someone goes to other dimensions and see them he will believe in them after a while? And few people will believe him after he explains what he has enlightened to...

Yes, at least 100 million people practice FG cultivation and you believe they are all wrong.

Nothing new.

actually, its not Proven at all.

and the people who believe, usually dont think for themselves and say "well, this is just someones opinion and imagination, based on nothing, but ill buy it"

why Exactly do i believe theyre wrong in again? and majority doesnt mean right.

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Mattshark

You always use a nice vocabulary.

Is spiritual weaponry in other dimensions proven to the scientific community and accepted in the public?? To my best of knowledge, no.

How many times did I say that in case someone goes to other dimensions and see them he will believe in them after a while? And few people will believe him after he explains what he has enlightened to...

Yes, at least 100 million people practice FG cultivation and you believe they are all wrong.

Nothing new.

Fallacious argument, volume of people in no way indicates credibility. There is no limit to how many people can be wrong.

Also, can you back that up?

Edited by Mattshark

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Mac E

This is quite a thread to read through. I do have a question for the OP. Why do you think these spiritual weapons can be used for defense and have you ever tested them to see if they work and how?

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Speakeasy

I never said 100 million people believing in something automatically makes their belief the truth, that is your words.

My apologies. I interpreted your sentence "Yes, at least 100 million people practice FG cultivation and you believe they are all wrong" as implying such.

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