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Gauss

I want to discuss a little bit about the third eye(pineal gland functioning as an eye at the center of the brain) here.

In Falun Dafa one learns the theory about the third eye and most of the practitioners have at least a little bit of third eye capacity. I can show you some practitioners stories later.

Third eye means one can see diseases in your body, see through walls, see demons, ghosts and other dimensions and even predit the future and see one´s own history. The higher the level you have the more you can see, that´s the theory. The fewer worldly attachments and notions the higher level you can reach.

For people who have high inborn quality(lots of virtue with them from birth, compare with the Panchen Lama being sought all over Tibet at 4 years of age) and make few evil or bad acts while growing up they can keep the supernormal ability. Most people loose it in modern society due to the current climate of ego-drive, materialism, porn, drugs, alcohol etc etc. As soon as people indulge in bad behaviors and form worldly attachments and bad notions they are bound to loose their supernormal abilities.

Hence small kids and old people with few attachments to this world have stronger abilities.

One can gain back the abilities but you must suffer and gain back the lost virtue to get the ability back. In meditation you have the best chance of seeing other dimensions I believe.

Some brief words on this subject, all feedback is welcome.

Thank you for your time.

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Mattshark

I want to discuss a little bit about the third eye(pineal gland functioning as an eye at the center of the brain) here.

In Falun Dafa one learns the theory about the third eye and most of the practitioners have at least a little bit of third eye capacity. I can show you some practitioners stories later.

Third eye means one can see diseases in your body, see through walls, see demons, ghosts and other dimensions and even predit the future and see one´s own history. The higher the level you have the more you can see, that´s the theory. The fewer worldly attachments and notions the higher level you can reach.

For people who have high inborn quality(lots of virtue with them from birth, compare with the Panchen Lama being sought all over Tibet at 4 years of age) and make few evil or bad acts while growing up they can keep the supernormal ability. Most people loose it in modern society due to the current climate of ego-drive, materialism, porn, drugs, alcohol etc etc. As soon as people indulge in bad behaviors and form worldly attachments and bad notions they are bound to loose their supernormal abilities.

Hence small kids and old people with few attachments to this world have stronger abilities.

One can gain back the abilities but you must suffer and gain back the lost virtue to get the ability back. In meditation you have the best chance of seeing other dimensions I believe.

Some brief words on this subject, all feedback is welcome.

Thank you for your time.

Why then do we live longer than we have previously done.

None of those things you have listed are new to modern society they have all been around as long as civilisation has been.

And Falun Dafa is very much a modern thing, it was started in 1992.

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Why then do we live longer than we have previously done.

None of those things you have listed are new to modern society they have all been around as long as civilisation has been.

And Falun Dafa is very much a modern thing, it was started in 1992.

I've heard that the third eye is what allows one to see into the spirit realm and those who have reported having seen things of this nature have a third eye that is opened. I think it is very interesting and hope to find out more about it on this thread.

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Why then do we live longer than we have previously done.

None of those things you have listed are new to modern society they have all been around as long as civilisation has been.

And Falun Dafa is very much a modern thing, it was started in 1992.

I've noticed my brain doing some strange things at night recently and I'm putting it down to my pineal gland. First can we just discuss frequencies a little or is that tones I'm not sure so need your help to best understand. A frequency is a wave between two points and the distance between and the amplitude creates the wave form. Is that about right?

What is the frequency/tone of the mind at rest? It doesn't really matter just interested but it really felt like whtever frequency I was in I was consciously feeling it change. For the spaces inbetween getting wider, I felt like it was the pineal gland that was controlling these rhythms and wondered if there was a scientific way of explaining this. No doubt it was tied into sleeping and dreams but I'd never been so aware of the change before.

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Gauss

Why then do we live longer than we have previously done.

FG: I don´t see the relevance of life span to my discussion about the third eye, please clarify what you mean.

None of those things you have listed are new to modern society they have all been around as long as civilisation has been.

FG: Did I say the third eye is a modern phenomenon? Of course they the third eye always existed and much more in the past when people cherished virtue and were religious, all according to the logic mentioned above.

And Falun Dafa is very much a modern thing, it was started in 1992.

FG: Yes you are right but it is based on Buddha Fa and Taoism and was passed on from Master to a single disciple for many thousands of years. Only in 1992 it became official. But these facts are not relevant to our third eye discussion.

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Mattshark

I've heard that the third eye is what allows one to see into the spirit realm and those who have reported having seen things of this nature have a third eye that is opened. I think it is very interesting and hope to find out more about it on this thread.

No the pineal gland is important in hormonal control, especially regarding sleep by the production of melatonin. It is also important in mediating the bodies pain reactions. Any claims about it and the "spirit realm" are baseless.

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FG: Did I say the third eye is a modern phenomenon? Of course they the third eye always existed and much more in the past when people cherished virtue and were religious, all according to the logic mentioned above.

I'm not talking about the third eye stuff, though the spiritual idea of the third eye and the pineal gland are a world apart, certainly a world apart in location and use.

Alcohol, porn, ego-centrism etc - all are as old as civilisation its self.

FG: Yes you are right but it is based on Buddha Fa and Taoism and was passed on from Master to a single disciple for many thousands of years. Only in 1992 it became official. But these facts are not relevant to our third eye discussion.

Yes, it is a modern thing, and it is not relevant to the real science behind the pineal gland.

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Gauss

I'm not talking about the third eye stuff, though the spiritual idea of the third eye and the pineal gland are a world apart, certainly a world apart in location and use.

FG: I do not understand what you try to say but I think you are convinced that you are right about what it is you are talking about and you having your own opinion is ok to me.

Alcohol, porn, ego-centrism etc - all are as old as civilisation its self.

FG: Materialism(cars, houses, planes, leisure stuff, gadgets etc), drugs, tv, computer addictions etc are modern phenomena aren´t they? The point is that modern society has increased the number of attachments drastically as opposed to the simple life in ancient times. So the third eye certainly was more common in those days according to theory.

Yes, it is a modern thing, and it is not relevant to the real science behind the pineal gland.

FG: Is Buddha Fa or Taoism is new? They are ancient and many thousands of years old. You need to read the book Zhuan Falun before making statements. There is a scientific theory behind the pineal gland which is also discussed in detail in the book, hence I refer you to the book. It is not the focus of this discussion.

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No the pineal gland is important in hormonal control, especially regarding sleep by the production of melatonin. It is also important in mediating the bodies pain reactions. Any claims about it and the "spirit realm" are baseless.

You certainly put alot of replies here which are focused on the pineal gland and your opinions about it not being connected to the third eye. That is ok. Thank you for your opinion about the pineal gland, there is no need to repeat it again.

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I've heard that the third eye is what allows one to see into the spirit realm and those who have reported having seen things of this nature have a third eye that is opened. I think it is very interesting and hope to find out more about it on this thread.

Thanks for your reply. I hope to bring more info about the phenomenon here as time goes by.

Here is a recent paradise story from an Asian cultivator with her third eye open.

**EDIT**

**This is not a forum for posting stories. Make your points and keep them relevant to the OP.**

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Mattshark

FG: I do not understand what you try to say but I think you are convinced that you are right about what it is you are talking about and you having your own opinion is ok to me.

Well I have studied the pineal gland at post-grad level.

FG: Materialism(cars, houses, planes, leisure stuff, gadgets etc), drugs, tv, computer addictions etc are modern phenomena aren´t they? The point is that modern society has increased the number of attachments drastically as opposed to the simple life in ancient times. So the third eye certainly was more common in those days according to theory.

All you are doing is placing modern wants in their that have come about by making far less horrific than it previously was. Different material wants, that is all and these wants come from wanting to make life better. Would you rather have an average life span in its mid 30's? And drugs being a modern phenomena is just plain ridiculous.

What you have is not theory, it is an idea, there is a fundamental difference.

FG: Is Buddha Fa or Taoism is new? They are ancient and many thousands of years old. You need to read the book Zhuan Falun before making statements. There is a scientific theory behind the pineal gland which is also discussed in detail in the book, hence I refer you to the book. It is not the focus of this discussion.

That is an irrelevancy, this is.

Scientific theory involving religion is not science, any claim of it being so is false and by definition it is not a theory as that is an empirically evidenced explanation for an observable fact. If you are going to bring science into this, you are not going to like it.

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SlimJim22

Can you explain the funnctions of pineal and pituitary if you have the time. Does pineal secrete melatonin and pitutary seratonin. Is one for circadian rhythms and one for aging?

I'm sure you heard of the George Bernard Shaw story, what d'ya think about that or should I say can science explain it? I think of it sorta like Peter Pan syndrome though I doubt that is a scientific term.

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Can you explain the funnctions of pineal and pituitary if you have the time. Does pineal secrete melatonin and pitutary seratonin. Is one for circadian rhythms and one for aging?

I'm sure you heard of the George Bernard Shaw story, what d'ya think about that or should I say can science explain it? I think of it sorta like Peter Pan syndrome though I doubt that is a scientific term.

The pineal glands main purposes are for the release of melatonin which is important in circadian rhythms yes. Hence it is what is affected by jet lag. The pineal also is responsible for the bodies pain mechanisms and how your body responds to it.

The pituitary produces many hormones, including a lot sex hormones. It is not responsible for serotonin, which is primarily produced (80% of it) in the gut. Seratonin is a mainly a neurotransmitter, it is not responsible for aging.

The pituitary's well know hormones are ones like FSH and LH which are involved in ovulation as well as the control of growth hormone and prolactin for milk production.

The gland also produces:

Endorphins: Pain

Oxytocin: Social bonding/love/childcare

ADH: Preventing dehydration

Adrenocorticotropic hormone: stress response

Melanocyte-stimulating hormone: stimulates melanin production

I have heard of George Bernard Shaw, but I don't know about any unusual biological issue he may have had.

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Well I have studied the pineal gland at post-grad level.

FG: In case you want to tell us what your schoolbook said you are welcome to open a new thread about modern research of the pineal gland.

Anyway here is the link to Wikipedia on the pineal gland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland - third eye is also mentioned here.

All you are doing is placing modern wants in their that have come about by making far less horrific than it previously was. Different material wants, that is all and these wants come from wanting to make life better. Would you rather have an average life span in its mid 30's? And drugs being a modern phenomena is just plain ridiculous.

What you have is not theory, it is an idea, there is a fundamental difference.

FG: You are outside the subject again, now you defend materialism and tell me I have an "idea", well that is ok. I respect your opinion but don´t share your positive views on modern society even though it brings me certain advantages..

As a parenthesis: A self-cultivator considers the effect in afterlife from everything down here and suffering is supposed to decrease karma and increase virtue in most cultivation schools.

That is an irrelevancy, this is.

Scientific theory involving religion is not science, any claim of it being so is false and by definition it is not a theory as that is an empirically evidenced explanation for an observable fact. If you are going to bring science into this, you are not going to like it.

FG: We discuss the third eye and share third eye stories here.

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The pineal glands main purposes are for the release of melatonin which is important in circadian rhythms yes. Hence it is what is affected by jet lag. The pineal also is responsible for the bodies pain mechanisms and how your body responds to it.

The pituitary produces many hormones, including a lot sex hormones. It is not responsible for serotonin, which is primarily produced (80% of it) in the gut. Seratonin is a mainly a neurotransmitter, it is not responsible for aging.

The pituitary's well know hormones are ones like FSH and LH which are involved in ovulation as well as the control of growth hormone and prolactin for milk production.

The gland also produces:

Endorphins: Pain

Oxytocin: Social bonding/love/childcare

ADH: Preventing dehydration

Adrenocorticotropic hormone: stress response

Melanocyte-stimulating hormone: stimulates melanin production

I have heard of George Bernard Shaw, but I don't know about any unusual biological issue he may have had.

He was into theosophy and such things. When he got to his late 60's he decided to move away and become recluse of sorts. His thinking was than age and death was determined by societal norms. By living off the land and inharmony with nature he lived another fifty years so the story goes. It was before Falun Gong but he was probably practising some kind of meditation or eastern philosophy.

So, the pineal is linked to rhythms and dreams above other things? That is good enough for me. :tu:

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FG: In case you want to tell us what your schoolbook said you are welcome to open a new thread about modern research of the pineal gland.

Anyway here is the link to Wikipedia on the pineal gland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland - third eye is also mentioned here.

FG: You are outside the subject again, now you defend materialism and tell me I have an "idea", well that is ok. I respect your opinion but don´t share your positive views on modern society even though it brings me certain advantages..

As a parenthesis: A self-cultivator considers the effect in afterlife from everything down here and suffering is supposed to decrease karma and increase virtue in most cultivation schools.

If you think post-grad biology or even under-grad biology is done out of a school book you are more than grossly mistaken.

Ok, stop using the advantages of the modern world if you are so against them. No is forcing you to use them, but to relay an opposition to them and taking advantage of them is a little hypocritical.

Personally, I'd rather live now than at any other period in history, better than starving or dying of disease before you're 30.

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If you think post-grad biology or even under-grad biology is done out of a school book you are more than grossly mistaken.

FG: I have a degree in advanced physics and mathematics. I am not all stupid in the common sense.

Ok, stop using the advantages of the modern world if you are so against them. Nobody is forcing you to use them, but to relay an opposition to them and taking advantage of them is a little hypocritical.

FG: You don´t understand me, I have nothing against modern technology, it is what it is and I don´t care about it. I cherish virtue and virtue is not common these days is it? Where do you find people giving poor, old or sick people a hand? Is people not cherishing the rat race, power, promiscuity, internet games and wealth? They are. Medic drugs are ok but I meant drugs for pleasure readily available like LSD, Cocaine and heroine, I don´t think people get happy from these modern things.

I comply with the modern world, I use modern stuff and work well and do everything as a normal person does except that I don´t have any feelings or attachment to these everyday things(finding "Tao" is obejctive), that is my eventual goal at least. As for the advantages I spoke about, in case you want to know you will have to study the book, you don´t understand it now. I don´t care if I drive a horse wagon or a Mercedes.

Science does not have a clue about the logic of after-life... Most people do not think about dieing and the meaning of life but I have studied it closely and concluded what I must do before "dieing". Everyone is different.

Most people just want to stay healthy and enjoy life and comfort. What is around the corner? Some people already can see it and old religions and prophets will have the last word, mark my words. Read the story above, a true cultivator will wet the atlantic ocean over it because he knows truth by heart.

Personally, I'd rather live now than at any other period in history, better than starving or dying of disease before you're 30.

FG: Could not agree more on your first point. There are not many chances like today. I am not afraid of dieing, what means something is what you do before dieing. Everyday people think life is over when one dies, I don´t.

After-life is exactly what the cultivator is aiming at, he dies with a smile if he has done enough.

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The things is, drug abuse through opium and coca are not new, promiscuity is certainly not new (and is very much more normal than being with one partner all your life), attempting to become wealthy is not new. Internet gaming, but that is hardly a massively problem quite frankly. People behave the same as they have always done, the only real difference is generally people have more freedom and a better living standard. Romantic ideals to past times are nothing more than that, romantic. Life is far easier now.

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The things is, drug abuse through opium and coca are not new, promiscuity is certainly not new (and is very much more normal than being with one partner all your life), attempting to become wealthy is not new. Internet gaming, but that is hardly a massively problem quite frankly. People behave the same as they have always done, the only real difference is generally people have more freedom and a better living standard. Romantic ideals to past times are nothing more than that, romantic. Life is far easier now.

You have your opinion and it is everyone´s right.

We agree that ancients suffered more.

How do you gain virtue(I repeat again)? By suffering(mentally and physically) and doing good deeds.

What said Swedenborg about africans? They suffered more, had better interior quality and had better after-lives than white people.

Did the ancients not go to church every week? They did.

Did the ancients not believe in Gods? They did.

Did the ancients not follow the ten commandments? Mostly they did.

To tell you the truth the ancients were accumulating virtue as Gods had told them to do.

What if Gods make the rules for humans and those rules are the ones we are to follow - again - in the(near) future?

Just like in ancient times when religions and virtue were cherished....

How is someone rated in universe? Whoever has more karma is more bad and will pay a higher price in after-life.

Let´s imagine the modern behaviour and cherishing of comfort increases the black substance karma daily.

How would people react once they got to know how much of it(karma) they have inside these days and the consequences in after-life from this huge karma? Would they not have eternal regrets? They would.

Let´s say the modern illusion is a short-lived big test before the big day of prophecy, the bigger illusion the bigger test(and chance) for the enlightened people.

Is there not a great chance right now? I say there is.

I wish you good luck and will return to discussing third eye stories.

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You have your opinion and it is everyone´s right.

We agree that ancients suffered more.

How do you gain virtue(I repeat again)? By suffering(mentally and physically) and doing good deeds. Suffering doesn't give you virtue, it gives you depression

What said Swedenborg about africans? They suffered more, had better interior quality and had better after-lives than white people. I'm sure that makes those who are starving feel much better about it.

Did the ancients not go to church every week? They did. No, they didn't

Did the ancients not believe in Gods? They did. totally irrelevant

Did the ancients not follow the ten commandments? Mostly they did. Mostly they didn't

To tell you the truth the ancients were accumulating virtue as Gods had told them to do. No they were trying to survive.

What if Gods make the rules for humans and those rules are the ones we are to follow - again - in the(near) future? What if gods are man constructs to explain what we don't understand.

Just like in ancient times when religions and virtue were cherished.... Unless you are the wrong religion then you are just dead. Virtues like what? Hacking people to death? Human sacrifice?

How is someone rated in universe? Whoever has more karma is more bad and will pay a higher price in after-life. Or Karma could be a human construct to make ourselves thing the universe actually cares. This is simple you tacking your religious belief on.

Let´s imagine the modern behaviour and cherishing of comfort increases the black substance karma daily. Why do imagine life now is far worse than it was historically? Things like rape and murder were far more common, human sacrifice was around, your view of the ancient world seems to be fictitious and has no basis in what it was really like.

How would people react once they got to know how much of it(karma) they have inside these days and the consequences in after-life from this huge karma? Would they not have eternal regrets? They would. Again you religion, not mine.

Let´s say the modern illusion is a short-lived big test before the big day of prophecy, the bigger illusion the bigger test(and chance) for the enlightened people. Or maybe life is actually far better now than it has ever been in history.

Is there not a great chance right now? I say there is. A chance for what? Returning to ignorance, barbarism and starvation?

I wish you good luck and will return to discussing third eye stories.

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Matt, you are a modern man, you are mainstream and following the tide and the current way of thinking. I don´t blame you, it is your right. You are among the vast majority that has this view that everything is better in modern society than in ancient society.

I believe your actions in life will affect your after-life and that one who does not cherish virtue and being a good person is going to have eternal regrets and massive suffering.

In case you don´t believe in anything about virtue, gods or after-life why not killing, using drugs and cheat people etc?

Since everything is over anyway at death just go ahead and do all the bad things and try all the temptations... What is stopping you? You still have that little bit of consciousness, that inside worry when doing the bad things? Where are these worries coming from? From your knowing side.

Does Buddhism not talk about 18 levels of hell? Yes they do... Same talk from Swedenborg, the universal genius with IQ of 200. Of course he was deemed insane by many after he said the Lord had revealed truth about heaven and hell to him as to warn the christian people. If people understood how honest and virtuous Swedenborg was...

I cherish virtue(Zhen-Shan-Ren) and doing good deeds and in case I suffer some mental or physical setbacks in daily life I don´t complain since in my world it gives me some of the white substance(virtue) and a chance to increase Gong.

Physical pain can only take you a little way in cultivation as we can see in Yoga where you take pain in double-Lotus meditation. Eliminating the worldly attachments is the key to success. Depression is something that can not occur in high level cultivation since that is a feeling. Heart and mind must be purified from feelings and benevolent compassion will arise instead.

What is important is if everyone supports the principle of Zhen-Shan-Ren(Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance) which is the essence of FG. Also if you reject the persecution of FG cultivators in China.

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Here is a cultivator story from someone with very good inborn quality rising up very quickly:

http://www.pureinsight.org/node/5895

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Matt, you are a modern man, you are mainstream and following the tide and the current way of thinking. I don´t blame you, it is your right. You are among the vast majority that has this view that everything is better in modern society than in ancient society.

That is due to a little thing called evidence. You have some fundamentally incorrect points up there (especially church and ancient times).

I believe your actions in life will affect your after-life and that one who does not cherish virtue and being a good person is going to have eternal regrets and massive suffering.
That is simply your religious belief

In case you don´t believe in anything about virtue, gods or after-life why not killing, using drugs and cheat people etc?

Because we are social animal, and for social animals to successfully evolve they need to be able to live and work in a social environment. Hence most people don't go around murdering others.

Since everything is over anyway at death just go ahead and do all the bad things and try all the temptations... What is stopping you? You still have that little bit of consciousness, that inside worry when doing the bad things? Where are these worries coming from? From your knowing side.

Evolution.

Does Buddhism not talk about 18 levels of hell? Yes they do... Same talk from Swedenborg, the universal genius with IQ of 200. Of course he was deemed insane by many after he said the Lord had revealed truth about heaven and hell to him as to warn the christian people. If people understood how honest and virtuous Swedenborg was...

Ok, you realise all IQ shows is that you are good at IQ tests right? Amazing how you know the IQ of someone who died over 100 years before IQ tests were invented though. Did you meet him did you? Or are you just going on someone else's say so?

I cherish virtue(Zhen-Shan-Ren) and doing good deeds and in case I suffer some mental or physical setbacks in daily life I don´t complain since in my world it gives me some of the white substance(virtue) and a chance to increase Gong.

Good for you.

Physical pain can only take you a little way in cultivation as we can see in Yoga where you take pain in double-Lotus meditation. Eliminating the worldly attachments is the key to success. Depression is something that can not occur in high level cultivation since that is a feeling. Heart and mind must be purified from feelings and benevolent compassion will arise instead.

That is your belief, I personally don't believe it. I do see the irony of you telling me this on a computer though.

What is important is if everyone supports the principle of Zhen-Shan-Ren(Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance) which is the essence of FG. Also if you reject the persecution of FG cultivators in China.

I reject any form of religions persecution, however, I don't think it is important for you to preach your particular beliefs.

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What do you know about other dimensions? What does science know about the look of other dimensions?

The vast majority of people and science know nothing about other dimensions because they can´t see them or believe in their existence. How many dimensions are there according to mathematics? Lots and lots... How many types of subatomic particles are there according to physics? Lots and lots? Can science see them? No..

Why is this thread here? To listen to those people who can see other dimensions.

I reject any form of religions persecution, however, I don't think it is important for you to preach your particular beliefs.

Whether you support truthfulness, compassion or forbearance is up to you. I can not change you at all, only you yourself can do anything about you.

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What do you know about other dimensions? What does science know about the look of other dimensions?

The vast majority of people and science know nothing about other dimensions because they can´t see them or believe in their existence. How many dimensions are there according to mathematics? Lots and lots... How many types of subatomic particles are there according to physics? Lots and lots? Can science see them? No..

Why is this thread here? To listen to those people who can see other dimensions.

Whether you support truthfulness, compassion or forbearance is up to you. I can not change you at all, only you yourself can do anything about you.

Well we live in at least 4 dimensions, though we think there are 11 (through M theory), unless you are confusing dimension with parallel universe, which is just an idea. However, the pineal gland has no such function to look into other dimensions.

So, unless I have your exact beliefs I don't have or support those things?

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