The Strange Tale of "Dr. 58"

[KIM IS CANADIAN]

Thanks,Davedini for clearing up my misunderstood comment I left.I would never disclaim others personal experiences.Is'nt that why we are all here to understand,relate and just to have fun.Anyways,go on IG.FASINATING STUFF AS ALWAYS! Please add the gore,im not sqeemish.

[Denzanrom]

This is very interesting. I'm making a lot of assumptions about the world Dr. 58 is in.

I'm also intrigued about the idea of C-Chips. These indeed seem to be very valuable. I also call BS on the Arbiter saying 100 cchips is equivalent exchange. Also curious is that you were able to haggle it.

Where do I begin. Judging from your conversations it seems to imply that they don't value the physical as much as the spiritual right? 'Money' has little value to them and food is readily available. The common folk all exist on a level 'Hill'. It implies that most are equal yet Dr. 58 mentioned Quetzal Water and how this determines a person's standing depending on how much you have of it. In other words while they seem to forgo physical in favor of spiritual it just turns into another reverse of our world. We spend our time gathering money and buying things and these tell of our status. In Dr. 58's world they already made sure of the basic physical needs in order to survive and status is determined on how strong your spirit or magic is. These make C Chips, Quetzal Water and any other form of spiritual enhancers some sort of currency that would increase your spiritual standing.

That thing with the Hassas grid. MOMMY said that it couldn't be used in this world right? Think of it like using a trying to use a cellphone without a Satellite signals or a cellphone tower. The Hassas grid probably uses strong spiritual energies or waves in order to transmit signals, energies which we don't have in abundance. The Ouija board is more likely the equivalent of a transistor radio, we only have a lower level of waves.

They don't have internet because they don't need it. The Hassas grid might be the closest equivalent or some other device that can transmit images.

I also just felt like I should point this out: life expectancies should be greater but I'm guessing overall world population is lower than ours than by, say, 60%? Maybe IronGhost could ask Dr. 58?

Just a bunch of assumptions I thought about posting.

[Sleestak Lightning!]

I don't know if it's awful, but it's not like it being ridiculous is such a bad thing. I'm entertained by it, aren't you?

No. I'm not entertained by lame, imaginary bull.

Plus, Ouija boards aren't fake, they're real. I saw one once. Totally exists.

Example of the paranormal faked: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=182466

The "ghost" in that photo did not exist. It was hoaxed.

I think this ouija board experience he tells of here is fake. I don't think it really happened. Any discussion? The OP isn't willing to entertain the possibility.

This.

[Pauly Dangerously]

No. I'm not entertained by lame, imaginary bull.

Hypocrisy is the act of persistently professing beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that are inconsistent with one's actions.

So why do you keep returning to this thread?

[21st Century]

Hypocrisy is the act of persistently professing beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that are inconsistent with one's actions.

So why do you keep returning to this thread?

Obviously to make us understand how wrong we are for not insulting IG.

[Fluffybunny]

No. I'm not entertained by lame, imaginary bull.

There is no need to be rude, and you do not seem to know when to walk away. If you do not like what you read and cannot create a civil discussion on your thoughts then do not contribute anything at all. This is your last warning.

[UndeadZombie]

Thank you for posting some more of Dr 58 and Mommy ironghost!!

What kind of beings are living inside alternate Minnesota? Any more details about the events around the satellite incident?

Are there more events involving the grotesquely fused 3 headed winged agonizing human? I must say it was the most entertaining part and would like to hear of similar events! Please don't cut out the good parts! haha If anything you can always ask MOMMY what's inside alternate Minnesota.

I love it! Keep them coming!!

[The_Spartan]

Though i do not believe in Ghosts and paranormal stuff, IronGhost's Oujja Board incidents are quite interesting and entertaining.

One should keep an open mind and apply judicious common sense.

IG, this "Dimensional drift" that MOMMY warned you about is quite interesting.

It is quite evident from your description that DR58's earth and our earth are on two different dimensional levels. may be crossover communication thru the Oujja Board could open up some sort of rift, which could be some way be harmful for either DR58 and his like or for you.

[Davedini]

. may be crossover communication thru the Oujja Board could open up some sort of rift, which could be some way be harmful for either DR58 and his like or for you.

Very good point Spartan that could be very harmful but then again could be a gateway oh lala lol trolls will be marching into your living room so be careful IG

Oh and MOD ROCK ON!!!!! lol

[_Only]

This post has a great deal of discussion on why or how this could be fake. I even attempted to address it, and thought I did so fairly succinctly. So far I've heard no real argument from the detractors, but I notice I huge amount of emotional hostility.

Basically, they just go along the lines, "Oh this is BS, It's fake, he's making it up."

And clearly that argument shows not only have they drastically missed the point, but they haven't read this post properly nor have they followed any of the links offered by IG and others regarding IG's past posts and activity on this forum.

I just basically ignore them until they gather their thoughts long enough to either reflect on the real issue or come up with an argument that validates their response.

You're always going to get people that are destructive, rather than constructive. For a lot of people, it's the only way they know how to respond to anything. Luckily, there's enough switched-on people on this forum with good social skills and lateral thinking to be entertained and stimulated by posts like this. So just let them have their poo-flinging. They're welcome to post here, as is anyone. Even if sometimes it's better to keep one's mouth closed and let people think you're ignorant than open it and remove all doubt.

Can't really go any further in investigating without proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And the OP has said before he's not interested in providing any form of proof, because he "doesn't want the drama". :s

And people aren't believing this not because it's the only way they know how to react. They're not believing it because it doesn't add up. There has been no discernable proof of spirit contact using a Ouija board (other than unconfirmed stories from people). We're supposed to believe he has somehow contacted another dimension and is basically able to hold extremely long conversations with this other dimension, and doesn't care to hand this over to research to see what it's all about? No, he just wants to write it here to see what reaction it gets. No more. Pretty weird.

Social skills, lateral thinking, yeah yeah. Not hurting my feelings. Stimulation doesn't have to be considered positive by you to be stimulation. And I don't know how people who challenge his claim are being ignorant. You look at his links and past history, you see he enjoys using Ouija boards and is an author. Critical thinking in his history, his past discussions, the way he talks here, and his transcripts of what he says is his paranormal contact add up to me not buying it a bit.

And to your hypothesis that all these multiple lengthy "contacts" with some entity through a Ouija board could be simply automatic writing from the subconscious? Come on. You can't really believe that can you? The subconscious doesn't work like that.

The way he talks in all these posts raise my suspicion. He is having a good playful time here, and it shows in the way he talks.

And please don't call me a "poo slinger" for saying these things. It gets old.

[Monk Mongo]

Wanted: Enlightened Princess willing to kiss vacuous Frog Electric.

Object: Lucid commentary. Prince-like behavior unnecessary, but welcome.

[Davedini]

Poo Slinger...

[_Only]

Poo Slinger...

If your posts/pic didn't constantly make me chuckle, I would probably react negatively to that.

[Monk Mongo]

Open letter to J.O. - (no, not Jack) - :

Don't want your drama, either.

IG doesn't want to hand this over to research? Whose, your's? Hand yourself over, curly. Yeah, pretty weird.

DON'T buy it. Actually, it doesn't seem to be for sale.

YOU(?) know how the sub conscious works? Prove it.

I'm not calling you a p** slinger. Just a j.o. YES, J.O., it has gotten old.

[21st Century]

Jerry Only, ever heard of "suspension of Disbelief"? it's when you intentionally ignore things that "don't add up" for the sake of being entertained. You should try it sometimes. It doesn't make you stupid to temporarily suspend your disbelief for the sake of entertainment.

I mean, I can only guess why someone like you would hang out on a forum about "unexplained mysteries". Either you come here to find people to insult or you don't know yet that a lot of the unexplained mysteries are unexplained because they don't add up.

Lighten up or leave, no need to ruin our good mood.

[Mortsmate]

Forgive the fact that I have no profile information and no avatar as yet, it's late here and I just wanted to post as quickly as possible before I sleep.

IG, my wife and I have been reading this for a few days, and are loving it. Loving it, loving it, loving it. I couldn't care less if you're making it all up intentionally, making up subconsciously (sp?), or truly are communing with other realities. I just know a good story when I read one, and this is brilliant.

Can't really go any further in investigating without proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And the OP has said before he's not interested in providing any form of proof, because he "doesn't want the drama". :s

And people aren't believing this not because it's the only way they know how to react. They're not believing it because it doesn't add up. There has been no discernable proof of spirit contact using a Ouija board (other than unconfirmed stories from people). We're supposed to believe he has somehow contacted another dimension and is basically able to hold extremely long conversations with this other dimension, and doesn't care to hand this over to research to see what it's all about? No, he just wants to write it here to see what reaction it gets. No more. Pretty weird.

First off, why post in a thread you have no interest in? I never understand that. Don't like it, don't read it. I wouldn't go see a movie I had no desire to see, just as I see no reason to post on the Jonas Brothers fan forum that they're pointles and irritating.

Secondly, I fail to see your reasoning. Extraordinary claims like this require nothing. IG has posted that this may all be BS and is happy to discuss the possibility with anyone. He isn't asking people to believe in it, he isn't asking people to pay for the priviledge of reading it, he is simply posting and allowing people to read.

Thirdly, I'm interested in the 'Research' angle you suggest. How, pray tell, could this be researched? We're not discussing ghosts where the proof may come in the form of facts known only to individuals, we're talking about different planes of existence. Research would come to nothing. Nothing can be verified. And I see nothing weird in his not wanting to provide any form of proof, either. If it were me, I wouldn't want to, mainly because any proof, no matter how compelling, in this kind of situation, would be dismissed as circumstantial and 'easily faked'. Also, if it is all coming from his mind and he's hooked up for a brain scan whilst using the Ouija board and it proves it, well, where's the fun in that? That's like a kid, confused as to whether Santa's real, who follows Santa one Christmas to find out once and for all and watches his dad take off a fake beard. Poof! Magic gone.

And, finally, you're not challenging his claims, because he makes none. He isn't claiming that this information comes from anywhere or that the ouija board is able to receive anything, only that the board is a tool he uses.

I understand that you feel more enlightened than us fools who are enjoying this and you're obviously more intelligent than most opponents to the DR 58 scenario as your agruments are lucid; you haven't simply said "This is Cr*p!!!". But really, let people enjoy what they enjoy. There are no sides to be taken.

[Elixer]

This post has a great deal of discussion on why or how this could be fake. I even attempted to address it, and thought I did so fairly succinctly. So far I've heard no real argument from the detractors, but I notice I huge amount of emotional hostility.

Basically, they just go along the lines, "Oh this is BS, It's fake, he's making it up."

And clearly that argument shows not only have they drastically missed the point, but they haven't read this post properly nor have they followed any of the links offered by IG and others regarding IG's past posts and activity on this forum.

I just basically ignore them until they gather their thoughts long enough to either reflect on the real issue or come up with an argument that validates their response.

You're always going to get people that are destructive, rather than constructive. For a lot of people, it's the only way they know how to respond to anything. Luckily, there's enough switched-on people on this forum with good social skills and lateral thinking to be entertained and stimulated by posts like this. So just let them have their poo-flinging. They're welcome to post here, as is anyone. Even if sometimes it's better to keep one's mouth closed and let people think you're ignorant than open it and remove all doubt.

i didn't aim my comment at you. It was just a general jibe aimed at people who dismiss things with no real reasoning.

[Murrangurk]

They're not believing it because it doesn't add up. There has been no discernable proof of spirit contact using a Ouija board (other than unconfirmed stories from people).

IG never made that claim.

We're supposed to believe he has somehow contacted another dimension and is basically able to hold extremely long conversations with this other dimension, and doesn't care to hand this over to research to see what it's all about? No, he just wants to write it here to see what reaction it gets. No more. Pretty weird.

Again, he never made that claim. You are not supposed to believe anything. He is also remarkably open to all possibilities, be they ghosties, subconscious or any other scenario. How could you have missed this point? I mean, it's pretty clear.

Social skills, lateral thinking, yeah yeah. Not hurting my feelings. Stimulation doesn't have to be considered positive by you to be stimulation. And I don't know how people who challenge his claim are being ignorant. You look at his links and past history, you see he enjoys using Ouija boards and is an author. Critical thinking in his history, his past discussions, the way he talks here, and his transcripts of what he says is his paranormal contact add up to me not buying it a bit.

So, you want to research this claim, for "proof". You want to scrutinize it and take it apart in detail. But you fall down at the first preliminary stage of research. It's like someone discovers a platypus, captures a sample, documents it, but the scientific community refuses to EVEN LOOK at the evidence, because such a creature is so preposterous it just has to be fake.

Given your total failure at the very beginning of your investigation, is it any wonder that IG would not submit to intrusion by the hundreds of people taking your position of hostile disbelief? Why should he submit to your investigations when you you obviously don't like the guy, you hate the whole idea of what he's doing with the board and your really, really bad at this kind of thing??? You're starting your investigation expecting to get a negative result that satisfies you, therefore that is the only result you're prepared to accept.

And to your hypothesis that all these multiple lengthy "contacts" with some entity through a Ouija board could be simply automatic writing from the subconscious? Come on. You can't really believe that can you? The subconscious doesn't work like that.

I'm afraid if you put in a bit of effort you'll discover that is exactly how the subconscious works. You're wrong on this, again. But you're only wrong because you don't think. You just condemn things that challenge your dominant paradigm.

The way he talks in all these posts raise my suspicion. He is having a good playful time here, and it shows in the way he talks.

Um.....just how is he supposed to act????? How DARE he come here having a playful good mood?? THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE KIDS TODAY DAMMIT!!!!!!

IG has a long history here. Many friends here. He enjoys what he does and he does not take it seriously. Not too seriously anyway. The posts are HEAVILY EDITED. They are streamlined so as to be digested on this forum.

As I have said before, this post is valid in so many ways and possibilites.

Your arguments, well, are not. You STILL just don't get it. You're STILL hung up on the concept he is simply making it all up. This is when there is a vast amount of evidence to suggest IG is getting this from actual Ouija sessions that actually take place. The only thing you'll be satisfied with is if you actually sit in the room while the sessions go down. That is not going to happen, because you strongly give the impression that you would not be congenial company.

*Snip*

Edited May 27, 2010 by SupeRgirl
That's going to far..Lets keep to the points being discussed and not make a drama play out of it.

[Pauly Dangerously]

@Murrangurk

You may want to re-think that last post. Just a bit of friendly advice.

[Murrangurk]

i didn't aim my comment at you. It was just a general jibe aimed at people who dismiss things with no real reasoning.

My post was too!

I was just letting you know that these kinds of discussions with people that are overly dismissive has been going on for a long time, and with no resolution.

What really irritates me is how they seem to be coming in on this thread half-way through, using criticism that has already been met or acknowledged. They fail to do their homework before posting, too. And to cap it all off, they are not respectful, and usually openly hostile.

Even if IG is making it all up according to Sleestack and Only jerry's propostion, why attack him? His whole schtick would be far more effectivley and permanently taken apart if done so gently and thoughtfully. Yelling at crazy people and telling them they are stupid liars because they are NOT Napolean Boneparte only makes the psychosis worse. Telling people gently but firmly that you think they could be nuts, because Old Boney died quite some time ago, and they don't speak french, they're going to realise they're nuts.

However, even if they did this with IG, he is not the one who would be shot down, because, quite simply, he isn't making this up. It's pretty clear they're coming from actual sessions. Furthermore, he isn't doing this for the nefarious reasons Sleestack and J.O. claim. Sure people do this kind of thing all the time here. But not in this case.

Here we are on page 18 or whatever, and we are still discussing this rather petulant angle. We should be discussing, may I suggest, other aspects of this case. I think we can dispose of the scenario that IG is simply and consciously lying. We should be examining in a light hearted, good humored way, IMO, what we are presented with. That is, the transcripts. There's enough there, and enough minds here, to come up with some interesting ideas.

But - this is just a forum. IG is a congenial, nice, respectful chap. I know this because when he started posting he PM'd me on some comments I made and we briefly had an exchange. I wanted to see THE WHOLE transcripts, of everything. All the bits he left out for the forum. The boring bits. But he is really, and understandably so, very busy, and not least because of the interest this post has generated. I'm happy to wait. Of course any discussin we have here on this forum - ABOUT ANYTHING is going to be at best pure speculation - because we were not there. The forum is for discussion.

You want the TRUTH?

You can't handle the truth.

Unless someone writes it down or gives you the document that prooves it all to be true. Then you can handle the truth.

But you will need to get off your butt, whack on the deer stalker cap and get sleuthing, in the real world.

And that's the size of it.

no point being angry and hostile to folks putting stuff up here.

It's just a forum, a place for ideas to meet and forment.

[_Only]

IG never made that claim.

Again, he never made that claim. You are not supposed to believe anything. He is also remarkably open to all possibilities, be they ghosties, subconscious or any other scenario. How could you have missed this point? I mean, it's pretty clear.

So, you want to research this claim, for "proof". You want to scrutinize it and take it apart in detail. But you fall down at the first preliminary stage of research. It's like someone discovers a platypus, captures a sample, documents it, but the scientific community refuses to EVEN LOOK at the evidence, because such a creature is so preposterous it just has to be fake.

Given your total failure at the very beginning of your investigation, is it any wonder that IG would not submit to intrusion by the hundreds of people taking your position of hostile disbelief? Why should he submit to your investigations when you you obviously don't like the guy, you hate the whole idea of what he's doing with the board and your really, really bad at this kind of thing??? You're starting your investigation expecting to get a negative result that satisfies you, therefore that is the only result you're prepared to accept.

I'm afraid if you put in a bit of effort you'll discover that is exactly how the subconscious works. You're wrong on this, again. But you're only wrong because you don't think. You just condemn things that challenge your dominant paradigm.

Um.....just how is he supposed to act????? How DARE he come here having a playful good mood?? THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE KIDS TODAY DAMMIT!!!!!!

IG has a long history here. Many friends here. He enjoys what he does and he does not take it seriously. Not too seriously anyway. The posts are HEAVILY EDITED. They are streamlined so as to be digested on this forum.

As I have said before, this post is valid in so many ways and possibilites.

Your arguments, well, are not. You STILL just don't get it. You're STILL hung up on the concept he is simply making it all up. This is when there is a vast amount of evidence to suggest IG is getting this from actual Ouija sessions that actually take place. The only thing you'll be satisfied with is if you actually sit in the room while the sessions go down. That is not going to happen, because you strongly give the impression that you would not be congenial company.

*Snip*

Entire post wrong. Too much to correct. You seem so bitter.

And to the onslaught of people jumping down my throat, this is a place for discussion of the paranormal. Not entertainment. That's a byproduct for some. And didn't say anywhere I wasn't interested. If I wasn't interested I wouldn't write here. But this thread is full of fail discussion. You want to hear the next installment; you don't want to discuss how it works. Have fun with that. Nothing new for me here.

Edited May 27, 2010 by SupeRgirl
Updating quotes

[Murrangurk]

@Murrangurk

You may want to re-think that last post. Just a bit of friendly advice.

Thanks Paul.

i repsecfully submit my replies and postings to the discretion and judgement of the Mods, who are pretty good at knowing what is acceptable and what is not.

I am not very good with this judgement!

Sorry if I transgress any boundaries.

[Murrangurk]

Entire post wrong. Too much to correct. You seem so bitter.

And to the onslaught of people jumping down my throat, this is a place for discussion of the paranormal. Not entertainment. That's a byproduct for some. And didn't say anywhere I wasn't interested. If I wasn't interested I wouldn't write here. But this thread is full of fail discussion. You want to hear the next installment; you don't want to discuss how it works. Have fun with that. Nothing new for me here.

We have discussed at length how it works, what it could mean, many many aspects.

The only thing you've come up with is that it is fake, he's making it up.

[Drifting Orchid]

Entire post wrong. Too much to correct. You seem so bitter.

And to the onslaught of people jumping down my throat, this is a place for discussion of the paranormal. Not entertainment. That's a byproduct for some. And didn't say anywhere I wasn't interested. If I wasn't interested I wouldn't write here. But this thread is full of fail discussion. You want to hear the next installment; you don't want to discuss how it works. Have fun with that. Nothing new for me here.

What I don't understand is, if the post is bothering you so much why do you keep coming back?

IG has dealt with many skeptics before, and will deal with more after you, you are not special, just move on and let him do his thing, because moer people are interested than not.

[Guyver]

I remember when Howard Stern got his start on national radio. I was never a fan of that level of sleeze (but absolutely loved Private Parts).

The point being..... a survey of "fans" who listened to his show in the early days....the longest listeners were the group who claimed to "hate" Howard Stern. When asked why they listened so much if they hated him....."to see what he will say next." A survey of fans who loved Stern...why do you listen....."to see what he'll say next."