The Strange Tale of "Dr. 58"

[Sakari]

Hi all .

I am new to this forum. This is really a very enlightening and fascinating read, both the actual story of Dr 58 and the parallel minnesota and also the comments and debates it arises.

Was just curious is there any more on the actual tale itself?

Just what you are reading here I believe....I am glad you are enjoying the debates it has started about it.

Can I ask you a question?...If you had read about this "story" , and it was posted in a section called " writers forum" , or something similar , wouold you have read it as much as you have?

[witchfinder]

Come on Iron Ghost........where is the next bit?!!!!

[IronGhost]

Come on Iron Ghost........where is the next bit?!!!!

Hey Witchfinder. Welcome to UM!

I think I can get more posted up today. (Crosses fingers big time).

BTW, Dr. 58 recently went silent for a while -- we didn't know whether to be happy, or upset. They're fascinating sessions, but they sure do take a toll. They're exhausting.

Anyway, he started communicating again. I'm sure we're close to 300 pages now ...

So, hopefully more stuff today.

[witchfinder]

Hey Witchfinder. Welcome to UM!

I think I can get more posted up today. (Crosses fingers big time).

BTW, Dr. 58 recently went silent for a while -- we didn't know whether to be happy, or upset. They're fascinating sessions, but they sure do take a toll. They're exhausting.

Anyway, he started communicating again. I'm sure we're close to 300 pages now ...

So, hopefully more stuff today.

[witchfinder]

Thanks IG.I only stumbled upon this site a few days ago and this was the first topic that caught my eye.I have been riveted from the start and can't wait to hear more from Dr.58 and co.

I really appreciate all the hard work you have put into this,as do plenty of others going by the response.Keep up the good work mate!!

[coldethyl]

As always IG great story.

[louis_last]

please post more tonight IG.

[svenshoegazer]

Hi, I am new and I have been trolling this Forum post for a few days. This "The Strange Tale of Dr. 58" is working out too sound like some very cool Steampunk/Spatter Horror Novel. I do really believe that this is done through Iron Ghost's Oujja Board though. I have missed with one back in the day as kid with my mother and other people. The Oujja Board really did some very strange things, drawing maps, moving on its own and predicting deaths that happened (people my mother and myself knew). I have really enjoyed all the enlightened discussions on here and debates. I look forward to more of Dr. 58.

P.S. Jerry Only..."We are 138"

Edited June 7, 2010 by svenshoegazer

[IronGhost]

(Note: For this Dr. 58 session, the very excellent Darcy agreed to transcribe. Brian and I worked the board, and two friends were on hand to observe, Les and Eugene.

We intended to get on with the satellite disaster information, but as you will see, a couple of side questions quickly distracted us and led us into a different direction for a long session. What’s frustrating about the Dr. 58 session is how extremely easy it is to get carried away by some interesting side issue. No doubt, a lot of you will find this session rather ridiculous, but here it is.

(Eliminating some preliminaries, the session begins.)

Question: Dr. 58, can you tell us what you look like?

ASNWER: WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT?

Question: We’re just curious about you. We feel we’ve come to know you better and naturally want to know more about you.

ANSWER: I WOULD NOT GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION, FOR FEAR OF HEX.

Question: But you say you have the protection of Codicil 13 of the Verdantic mysteries, so why are you afraid?

ANSWER: IT’S A PRECAUTION. I WOULD NOT TEST IT.

Question: But certainly by this time in our many conversations, you have developed some trust of us and understand that we are only curious about other worlds, such as yours, which is strange to us. We have no power to hex you. What do you say?

ANSWER: YOU MAY BE HAMLRESS, BUT YOUR CURIOSITY SEEMS AVARICIOUS. YOUR THIRST FOR INFORMATION IS UNUSUAL.

Question: Well, we’re guilty on that charge, but again, that’s natural because of the extraordinary nature of the things you tell us about. For us, Minnesota is a normal place with none of the highly paranormal, weird and strange stuff you talk about. Does it not seem natural to you that we are very curious?

ANSWER: I SUPPOSE THAT COULD BE THE CASE.

Question: Will you tell us anything about yourself? Like your real name?

ANSWER: NOT AT THIS TIME.

Question: What is the significance of the Dr. 58 moniker?

ANSWER: AGAIN, I ADHERE TO CODICIL 13.

Question: Very well. Can you tell us what you do for fun?

ANSWER: LIKE MANY PEOPLE, I PLAY PEPPER BALL.

Question: What is that?

ANSWER: YOU DON’T HAVE IT? IT IS THE MOST POPULAR SPORT IN AMERICA.

Question: No. We have things like baseball and football, and many other games involving play with a ball. You call your game Pepper Ball. That sounds intriguing. How is it played, if you can summarize briefly?

ANSWER: 12 PLAYERS ON EACH TEAM. A TRAC MAN ON EACH END. IT IS PLAYED INSIDE THE WIK CAGE, OF COURSE. PLAYERS ATTEMPT TO STRIKE THE TRAC MAN WITH THE PEPPER BALL.

Question: Whoa! That’s a bit too brief for us to get a good idea. Let’s get some specific details. What is this Pepper Ball? What does it look like? For example, is it round or oblong, or how big is it, or what?

ANSWER: THE PEPPER BALL IS ROUND ABOUT THE SIZE OF AN APPLE. DO YOU HAVE APPLES?

Question: Yes! Go on.

ANSWER: THE PEPPER BALLS CONTAINS THE STINGING PEPPER FLUID, OF COURSE.

Question: Wait a minute! Assume we know absolutely nothing about this because we don’t! The Pepper Ball contains a stinging fluid!!?? What is it made from?

ANSWER: INSIDE THE PEPPER BALL IS A FLUID INFUSED WITH EXTRACTS OF VARIOUS NOXIOUS BURNING WEEDS AND EXTREMELY HOT PEPPER EXTRACTS OF MAYAN ORIGIN.

Question: Uhh.. Well… Oh jeepers … just tell us more, could you?

ANSWER: THE SKIN OF THE PEPPER BALL IS A SEMI-TOUGH MEMBRANE WHICH BURSTS WHEN HURLED WITH SUFFICIENT FORCE AT THE TRAC MAN.

Question: Oy! Oy! So there are 12 players on each team. I assume you pass the Pepper Ball back and forth as you work it down … a court … which we assume is inside this Wik Cage … and the goal is to throw it at the Trac Man. Is this right?

ANSWER: YES. THE PLAYING AREA WITHIN THE WIK CAGE IS THE MALL.

Question: So, the Trac Man is kind of a goalie positioned at either end of the Pepper Ball Mall playing area?

ANSWER: THE TRAC MAN STALKS THE AREA AT EACH END OF THE MALL, YES. HE SEEKS TO AVOID THE PEPPER BALL.

Question: And the object of Pepper Ball is to throw the Pepper Ball at the Trac Man so that a stinging liquid bursts forth … and then what? It causes him great stinging pain, or what?

ANSWER: YES, THE TRAC MAN IS NAKED, OF COURSE. THE PEPPER FLUID CAUSES GREAT PAIN, BURNING HIS SKIN.

Question: (Lots of groans). I’m sorry, Dr. 58, but you can’t imagine how ridiculous this all sounds to us. But, anyway, does this Pepper Fluid cause severe skin damage, or what?

ANSWER: THE AFFECT IS LONG-LASTING, EXTREMELY PAINFUL BUT TEMPORARY. A STRIKE TO THE GENITALS OF THE TRAC MAN IS HIGHLY DESIRABLE FOR THE OPPOSING TEAM.

Question: I’ll bet! That would really make him cry out! The old Pepper Sauce to the business section! Is being the Trac Man a voluntary role, or is this part of the game reserved for criminals in your society undergoing some kind of punishment?

ANSWER: NO, TO BE A TRAC MAN IS A HIGH HONOR. THE BEST TRAC MEN ARE HIGHLY REVERED. THOSE OF GREAT OBESITY AND NIMBLENESS ARE HELD IN EXULTED ESTEEM.

Question: Wait a minute, so the ideal Trac Man is a big fat guy, but who is also quick on his feet? And he runs around naked trying to avoid getting pelted with a ball full of Pepper Oil!!! Please, please, please, please, stop bull**tting us, Dr. 58!! We can’t stand it! You’ve had your laugh, now tell the truth!!

ANSWER: I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOU. I AM DESCRIVING OUR SPORT, AS YOU ASKED.

Question: Yeesh!! Well, okay, if this Pepper Ball is capable of bursting on contact, how do the players on each team toss it around to each other without it blowing up in their hands, do you know what I mean?

ANSWER: BASKET RACKETS ARE USED TO TOSS THE BALL BETWEEN PLAYERS. IT TAKE GREAT SKILL TO CONTROL THE VELOCITY OF THE PEPPER BALL. IT SOMETIMES BURSTS ON PLAYERS RESULTING IN PENALTY.

Question: Are all the players naked?

ANSWER: NO, THEY WEAR PEPPER BALL SUIT AND HARNESS.

Question: What do you mean by harness? What kind of harness?

ANSWER: YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. EACH PLAYER IS CONNECTED BY ELASTIC VINE TO THE LATTICE WORK ABOVE THE WIK CAGE. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN?

Question: No, not really. Are you saying that each player as some kind of elastic, sort of bungee cord or rope hooked up their uniforms somehow?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW BUNGEE, BUT YES, A ROPE, OF SORTS MADE FROM THE KIBBUE VINE, A VERY ELASTIC VINE THAT ALLOWS THE PLAYERS TO LEAP INTO THE AIR AS THEY MOVE UP AND DOWN THE MALL.

Question: Uhhhhhhhhhh... Well, where is this Kibbue Vine attached to the players?

ANSWER: IN THE LOWER BACK AT THE CENTER OF GRAVITY OF THE PLAYER, ALLOWING HIM TO LEAP UP AND DOWN.

Question: So, I’m trying to get a picture of this. The player is in a harness, hooked to an elastic vine, and this vine is suspended from a lattice work -- the top of the Wik Cage? Is there a mechanism for the vine to move along the lattice work where it attaches to the top of the Wik Cage. Do you know what I mean, Dr. 58?

ASNWER: YES, AT THE TOP THE KIBBUE VINE IS CONNECTED BY ROLLERS WHICH GLIDE ALONG THE TOP LATTICE WORK OF THE WIK CAGE.

Question: Well, with 24 guys running around, don’t these vines get tangled up?

ANSWER: NO. ALL STAY WITHIN THEIR ALLEYS.

Question: So they can only move up and down the mall, not side to side?

ANSWER: NO, THEY HAVE WAY TO MOVE SIDE TO SIDE. IT REQUIRES GREAT SKILL FOR ALL.

(Note: At this point our friend, Eugene, who is an engineer, made a good observation. He said that in order for the Pepper Ball players to bounce on their elastic vines, there must be a way to maintain tension in the vines. Eugene wanted us to ask how this works).

Question: Dr. 58, for the players to be able to use the vines for jumping, there must be some tension in the vine, do you know what we mean? I mean, if a Pepper Ball player is attached to the vine, and if he runs along the floor of your playing area, the Mall, how is it that tension is maintained in the vine? Do you understand what we are asking?

ANSWER: YES. THE BOOT OF THE PEPPER BALL PLAYER IS MAGNETIZED AND SO ADHERES TO THE SURFACE OF THE MALL. IT REQUIRES GREAT SKILL TO MAINTAIN BALANCE BETWEEN SURFACE AND AERIAL MANEUVERS.

Question: Hmmm. So the Pepper Baller sticks to the floor with magnetized boot soles, but can, at will, release from the floor to make a Kibbue Vine leap? How is the release triggered?

ANSWER: THE MAGNETIC EFFECT IS OVERCOME BY THE LEAP OF THE PEPPER BALL PLAYERS. YOU NEED STRONG LEG MUSCLES, ALONG WITH FINESSE OF FOOTWORK. AS I SAID, PEPPER BALL IS A HIGHLY SKILLED SPORT.

Question: I’ll bet. Are the bottom of the boots, the magnetized soles flexible, or rigid?

ANSWER: FLEXIBLE.

Question: So let me get this straight: There are 12 players on each side. All are slung from flexible harnesses inside some kind of large cage. The players move up and down the Mall, passing the Pepper Ball to each other using basket rackets. They also leap up and down -- which I have to admit, sounds rather wild and exciting. The object is to get near the Trac Man and sling the Pepper Ball at his fat, naked body, causing him serious skin pain. What then? When you hit the Trac Man, do you get points, as in a score, or what?

ANSWER: THE OBJECT IS THE SUBMISSION OF THE TRAC MAN. WHEN HE CAN NO LONGER ENDURE THE PAIN, HE OFFERS HIMSELF IN PROSTRATION. THE GAME IS OVER. THE WINNERS LATHE HIM IN A SOOTHING EMOLLIENT TO HONOR HIS PLAY.

Question: This emollient, it takes away the sting of the Pepper liquid?

ANSWER: IN A DAY, OR SO, YES.

Question: Well, that’s a very sportsman-like gesture for the winners to wash their opposing track man in a soothing emollient.

ANSWER: YES. PEPPER BALL IS A GAME OF DIGNITY AND HONOR.

Question: Why is he called the Trac Man?

ANSWER: I’M NOT SURE OF THE ORIGIN OF THE TERM.

Question: So, this big fat Trac Man just sort of roams about in his own territory on each end of the Mall and when opposing player approach, he tries to evade being hit with a Pepper Ball?

ANSWER: YES. I AM SURPRISED YOU DO NOT HAVE THIS GAME.

Question: You say that you play this game. What team are you on?

ANSWER: THE WASPMEN OF KER.

Question: Cool name, and appropriate. A bet you guys really know how to bring the sting! Are here different levels of the sport? I mean, are there professional leagues and amateur leagues, or what?

ANSWER: I’M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN. PEPPER BALL IS PLAYED IN OUR SOCIETY.

Question: Well, is your team one of the best in New York, a dominant team, or what? Do you have national championships?

ANSWER: WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM. WE HAVE BROUGHT MANY TRAC MEN TO SUBMISSION.

Question: What do you play for? Pride, or money, or what?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW WAT YOU MEAN. PEPPER BALL IS A GAME. WE PLAY IT FOR SPORT. THERE IS SOME ADULATION.

Question: What position do you play on the Waspmen of Ker?

ANSWER: I FAVOR THE MIDLEAP POSITION.

Question: Do you have a mighty Trac Man? Is he very fat, and can he endure great suffering? Is he nimble?

ANSWER: WE HIGHLY VALUE OUR TRAC MAN.

Question: What is his name? I bet a good Trac Man is difficult to find, yes?

ANSWER: I WOULD NOT TELL YOU HIS NAME. HE KNOWS NOT OF CODICIL 13. YES, TRAC MAN ARE VALUED.

Question: You know, it seems that since the object of Pepper Ball is to strike a moving man by hurling a ball, it would make much more sense if he was a real skinny guy, and thus more difficult to hit. What do you think?

ANSWER: BY TRADITION, THE TRAC MAN IS OF WIDE GIRTH.

Question: Okay. What if you hit him in the eyes?

ANSWER: THE TRAC MAN WEARS PROTECTIVE EYE GUARDS.

Question: So a groin shot is highly valued. Why is that? Because it can cause him to submit faster?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: How many Pepper Ball strikes can the average Trac Man endure?

ANSWER: IT VARIES GREATLY. THE MIGHTY ENDURE MUCH.

Question: Okay, we’re very tired, Dr. 58. Thank you and we’ll speak to you again at a later time.

ANSWER: YES.

(We had dozens more questions about Pepper Ball, but we simply needed to end the session there because we were exhausted. Next, we will get onto what happened with the Nazi satellite disaster).

[TinkyBlink]

Could someone give me a quick update of whats going on here...I read the first few pages and if im honest im just confused...What the heck is going on?

[svenshoegazer]

Oh man I want to so play some Pepper Ball. Sounds alot more fun then Baseball or Football

[Robin_Shadowes]

I'm not interested in sports at all but wouldn't mind watching a game of pepper ball though. Sounds far more interesting than anything we have on our side of the universe.

Edited June 7, 2010 by Robin_Shadowes

[louis_last]

more please.

[thewild]

What a wild game! Seems more and more that this alternative civilization is of a more native acient "south american" influence. Mayans loved torturing one another like that. And some cultures that are still primitive do have vine swinging games down there.

[Sakari]

Could someone give me a quick update of whats going on here...I read the first few pages and if im honest im just confused...What the heck is going on?

I hope this does not get me yelled at

What is going on here....You would have to decide that....

The OP "claims" he is getting all of these stories from a Ouiji board , diferent sessions of course....He than posts some of his transcripts here for people to read.

So , you have 2 things going on....

1. People reading his " transcripts" , I prefer "fictional story"....You would have to read all of the replies and questions on this topic and decide for yourself....

2. debate on if this is really a Ouiji session , or if it is said to be that so more people read it , and maybe in the future purchase other writings form OP.( my opinion).The OP is a writer , and there is a "writer/short stories" section on the forums.( something like that.That section does not get near the hits this one does....One reason I formed my opinion.A lot say they do not care if it is real or not , they enjoy reading it..Some people see things like this posted and feel " extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence" , so we ask for it , and debate about it.....So , you would have to read all of it ( most anyway) to form your opinion on it.

I will say this , and have before.....It is a good story , well written.I do enjoy reading it.I just know for a fact the "Ouiji" part is only there to draw a bigger audience.( again , my belief on this)I think this is a shame myself , I would have read it anyway....Would have never found it though , so Kudo's on that one.

That is the just of it.....

[Drifting Orchid]

I hope this does not get me yelled at

What is going on here....You would have to decide that....

The OP "claims" he is getting all of these stories from a Ouiji board , diferent sessions of course....He than posts some of his transcripts here for people to read.

So , you have 2 things going on....

1. People reading his " transcripts" , I prefer "fictional story"....You would have to read all of the replies and questions on this topic and decide for yourself....

2. debate on if this is really a Ouiji session , or if it is said to be that so more people read it , and maybe in the future purchase other writings form OP.( my opinion).The OP is a writer , and there is a "writer/short stories" section on the forums.( something like that.That section does not get near the hits this one does....One reason I formed my opinion.A lot say they do not care if it is real or not , they enjoy reading it..Some people see things like this posted and feel " extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence" , so we ask for it , and debate about it.....So , you would have to read all of it ( most anyway) to form your opinion on it.

I will say this , and have before.....It is a good story , well written.I do enjoy reading it.I just know for a fact the "Ouiji" part is only there to draw a bigger audience.( again , my belief on this)I think this is a shame myself , I would have read it anyway....Would have never found it though , so Kudo's on that one.

That is the just of it.....

You're beginning to sound like that guy who stands infront of a meteor rock exhibit with a sign that reads "I Think He Spray Painted A Boulder"

You have made your point and your assumptions several times over, please let it go and move on.

[KenjiBeast]

Let it be known that my life will not be complete until I see a real life game of pepper ball in this dimension. This is a sport that is literally so mind-numbingly awesome, I have to completely accept the fact that Dr. 58 is for real.

I'm thinking it would end up like something between Nickelodeon GUTS/American Gladiator (i.e. elastic fantasy sports), thunderdome, UFC and Jackass.

Edited June 8, 2010 by KenjiBeast

[Antimony]

You're beginning to sound like that guy who stands infront of a meteor rock exhibit with a sign that reads "I Think He Spray Painted A Boulder"

You have made your point and your assumptions several times over, please let it go and move on.

So, it's ok for (the same) people to post repeatedly "great story, more please, I don't care if it's real or not, but not for doubters to express a critical opinion?

This is quite an extraordinary situation. There are umpteen threads across various sections (Crypto, ghosts, etc) of people posting experiences or sightings they claim to have made, and they are being taken apart page after page. And everybody is ok with that, because that's what we tend to do on UM.

But because IG's story has so much entertainment value, anyone with a critical opinion is decried a party-pooper and asked to basically shut up and just let IG get on with his story?

At the moment IG decided to post his story on this forum and in this section he made himself open to critical examination. As far as I can see he is perfectly ok with that; he also stated several times that he has no fixed opinion on what exactly is going on and that he is open to several possibilities.

[CausticGnostic]

I'm just wondering, IG, whether you've given Dr. 58 your real name. Maybe "Dr. 58" is just his username on that Hassass Grid thingamajig, like "Iron Ghost" and "CausticGnostic" here on UM. I can see why the guy wouldn't want to reveal his real name, Codicil 13 or no.

However, if you were so reckless as to reveal your name to him, beware of possible transdimensional, diachronic hexes!

If you're in the market, I can sell you a really nice Codicil, cheap. It's only a #9, slightly used, too, and a Pharmaceutriac brand rather than a Verdantic, but it ought to provide some protection. I can let it go for, oh, 300 c-chits. Okay, for you . . . 250.

[iozaeph]

Hi Nile_Shaman:

Like you I was also wondering about how they measure time, and much later on in the material we got into that a bit -- although it’s very tedious and mind-numbing, so I finally set it aside.

However, from what I can tell, they get their time traditions primarily from the Mayans, but they seem to combine Mayan time measurement with a some Scandinavian system.

They have a “Long Calandar” a “Short Calandar” and a “Thorian Calandar”

They have also had “calandar reform” a number of times.

Their year 1951 seems to stem from some kind of major event in the Mayan world and then counted forward with “short year” cycles -- a short year is 260 days, based on the orbit of Venus.

When Dr. 58 says he is 17 years old, I’m still not sure how this would compare with our time-measurement system. It sounds to me like he could be anything from 15 years old to 25.

-------

For those of you who say I am pulling a "Blaire Witch" -- that's ridiculous. Everyone is reaching way too much. I'm just asking questions at an Ouija board and writing down the answers I get. That's all -- the same thing I have been doing since 1968. It's just a hobby.

What if this major event is our 2012? That would mean that Dr58 would be over a thousand year in our future as well as in a parallel dimension...

[Sakari]

You're beginning to sound like that guy who stands infront of a meteor rock exhibit with a sign that reads "I Think He Spray Painted A Boulder"

You have made your point and your assumptions several times over, please let it go and move on.

Maybe I am also one of the guys back in the 80's who said that Milli Vanilli were not the two skinny guys dancing , that were doing the actual singing?.....

Antimony said it well for me all ready....

If this was in the writers section , you would not see my comments.If someone is going to post in certain sections , Paranormal activity , I am going to scrutinize it , and ask questions , and ask for proof......

It really amazes me that people are all goo gaga about this , and not getting the point of why some of us are debating over it....

If someone new comes in and asks " what is this about" , I am sure if I had waited he/she would have seen responses like " It is transcripts from a Ouji board session , and the OP is talking to another dimension"....

It amazes me that people even believed that people could communicate with the dead on a board game...Now we have some believing we can talk to other dimensions with the same board game...And people in the other dimensions are doing something similar...Give me a break , what are the chances of that?.....And pepper ball?....Naked fat guy as the target?...You are really buying into this?.....Johnny Knoxville and his gang have made quite a impression on the OP....

I can not just "leave it" , this is a open forum , and I said I enjoy the story.It is the placement of the topic , and the replies from people that get me going...

Does this mean any writers out there can now write stories ( fictional ) from their Ouiji board sessions( so they would say) and place them here also?.....Could you imagine the threads , and cool stories we would get.All of these people that had few hits in the other section , would now have a lot more hits and reads.....

Topic : Ouiji Board Inter-Dimensional Conversations ....

Hint , Hint writers......

Edited June 9, 2010 by Sakari

[Sakari]

oops....edited , double post.

Edited June 9, 2010 by Sakari

[KALASH69]

By far my new favorite UM thread.

Brilliant tales being told here. Or perhaps brilliant accounts of some alternate history.

[Murrangurk]

Maybe I am also one of the guys back in the 80's who said that Milli Vanilli were not the two skinny guys dancing , that were doing the actual singing?.....

Antimony said it well for me all ready....

If this was in the writers section , you would not see my comments.If someone is going to post in certain sections , Paranormal activity , I am going to scrutinize it , and ask questions , and ask for proof......

It really amazes me that people are all goo gaga about this , and not getting the point of why some of us are debating over it....

If someone new comes in and asks " what is this about" , I am sure if I had waited he/she would have seen responses like " It is transcripts from a Ouji board session , and the OP is talking to another dimension"....

It amazes me that people even believed that people could communicate with the dead on a board game...Now we have some believing we can talk to other dimensions with the same board game...And people in the other dimensions are doing something similar...Give me a break , what are the chances of that?.....And pepper ball?....Naked fat guy as the target?...You are really buying into this?.....Johnny Knoxville and his gang have made quite a impression on the OP....

I can not just "leave it" , this is a open forum , and I said I enjoy the story.It is the placement of the topic , and the replies from people that get me going...

Does this mean any writers out there can now write stories ( fictional ) from their Ouiji board sessions and place them here also?.....Could you imagine the threads , and cool stories we would get.All of these people that had few hits in the other section , would now have a lot more hits and reads.....

Topic : Ouiji Board Inter-Dimensional Conversations ....

Hint , Hint writers......

On the other hand, I am open to the possibility that IG is getting this from the Ouija board, I'm open equally to the possibilities he is either getting it from his "Subconscious" or is indeed communicating an extra dimension.

I am also open to the possibility he is contriving the whole affair.

I guess it would come down to a question, if all things are possible, which are more likely. Naturally, people will jump to the conclusion that the most likely is IG is making it up. That's reaosnable, but when you examine it, it becomes less likely IG is simply making it up, and something else is occurring.

As I said, I am very open to the idea we have trans-dimensional communication going on. (I watch a lot of DrWho, and I'm not ashamed of it.) But I can't escape the imagery in the transcripts. It does seem IG is expressing some kind of impressions to his SubC from his daily life.

So I'm willing to give IG the benefit of the doubt. Even if it comes to suspending my disbelief. So far he hasn't asked me for any money for these stories. And if he is American and a writer then he should be doing any and everything to create market and employment opportunities. I am always surprised at the scorn heaped on Americans by fellow Americans for trying to come up with marketing/advertising possibilities in a culture that is almost pathologically capitalist, commercialist and has very little to zero social welfare. So what if makes it up to gain money? If he didn't, some one else inevitably will. ANd he not only has to eat but have somewhere to live!

Personally though I'd gladly $$PAY$$ IG the costs of printing out his transcripts and posting them to me so i could read it, and I'd chuck him $5 extra for a beer in gratitude.

At the sametime as being open to believing IG, I am also getting a lot of value from Sakari and Antimony et al who allow an intellectual whetting stone we can sharpen our ideas on.

One last thing no one has yet picked up on:

The TRAC MAN runs about naked, getting hit by the pepper ball.

A DIRECT HIT TO THE WEDDING TACKLE is considered a great achievement.

When the TRAC MAN can take no more agonising skin pain, he concedes defeat.

Then what happens???

The rest of the players apply SOOTHING BALM TO HIS NAKED BODY. Where did he get the most hits? On his GONADS.

So.....we have a large, naked, fat man, exhausted, lying prostrate, being rubbed all over with cream, ESPECIALLY you know where.

Brings me to two points:

1. IG, WHat the hell is going on in your SubC?

2. What kind of sexual expression happens in Dr 58's world? Is homosexuality as confronting to people there as it is here? Do they even have sex? is the Pepper Ball game some evolved, pre-christian fertility right, and if you asked Dr 58 if the TRAC MAN got aroused during his rubbing, would he be surprised again at "how you don't know anything!??"

Yes, indeed.

[Sakari]

On the other hand, I am open to the possibility that IG is getting this from the Ouija board, I'm open equally to the possibilities he is either getting it from his "Subconscious" or is indeed communicating an extra dimension.

I am also open to the possibility he is contriving the whole affair.

I guess it would come down to a question, if all things are possible, which are more likely. Naturally, people will jump to the conclusion that the most likely is IG is making it up. That's reaosnable, but when you examine it, it becomes less likely IG is simply making it up, and something else is occurring.

As I said, I am very open to the idea we have trans-dimensional communication going on. (I watch a lot of DrWho, and I'm not ashamed of it.) But I can't escape the imagery in the transcripts. It does seem IG is expressing some kind of impressions to his SubC from his daily life.

So I'm willing to give IG the benefit of the doubt. Even if it comes to suspending my disbelief. So far he hasn't asked me for any money for these stories. And if he is American and a writer then he should be doing any and everything to create market and employment opportunities. I am always surprised at the scorn heaped on Americans by fellow Americans for trying to come up with marketing/advertising possibilities in a culture that is almost pathologically capitalist, commercialist and has very little to zero social welfare. So what if makes it up to gain money? If he didn't, some one else inevitably will. ANd he not only has to eat but have somewhere to live!

Personally though I'd gladly $$PAY$$ IG the costs of printing out his transcripts and posting them to me so i could read it, and I'd chuck him $5 extra for a beer in gratitude.

At the sametime as being open to believing IG, I am also getting a lot of value from Sakari and Antimony et al who allow an intellectual whetting stone we can sharpen our ideas on.

One last thing no one has yet picked up on:

The TRAC MAN runs about naked, getting hit by the pepper ball.

A DIRECT HIT TO THE WEDDING TACKLE is considered a great achievement.

When the TRAC MAN can take no more agonising skin pain, he concedes defeat.

Then what happens???

The rest of the players apply SOOTHING BALM TO HIS NAKED BODY. Where did he get the most hits? On his GONADS.

So.....we have a large, naked, fat man, exhausted, lying prostrate, being rubbed all over with cream, ESPECIALLY you know where.

Brings me to two points:

1. IG, WHat the hell is going on in your SubC?

2. What kind of sexual expression happens in Dr 58's world? Is homosexuality as confronting to people there as it is here? Do they even have sex? is the Pepper Ball game some evolved, pre-christian fertility right, and if you asked Dr 58 if the TRAC MAN got aroused during his rubbing, would he be surprised again at "how you don't know anything!??"

Yes, indeed.

Thank You for responding to my post diplomatically , and without being harsh

I was thinking about this again ( no , I have and will not change my views ).....

Anyone know or remember "Whitley Streiber" ?.....When he wrote and released " Communion" ( was a number 1 seller on NY Times about Alien Abduction) he had released it as a Biography.He swears all of what he wrote ( and is writing still) happened/happens to him.( it was also made into a movie).....

His book , and following ones were never allowed to be called " biography's" when they were sold.They were put out as "fiction".And put on the fiction sections of book stores.I am not sure who makes these decisions , but somewhere , somehow , people are not allowed to put out writings like this as " fact"...That is how I gathered it anyway.( I read that on his site years ago , tried to google it)

This falls into that category , and his is also debatable.Difference is though , he has at least tried to give proof , including lie detector tests , etc.....

I have to post this also , it really says a lot of how I feel about this topic...

About a year ago I decided to browse the local Crown Book store while my wife shopped for clothes next door. I first rifled through the science and nature section looking for something new or interesting. Finding not much for me, I moved over to non-fiction. What I found there horrified me. It still chills me as I write about it now. A big-headed, bug-eyed alien was staring out at me from the cover of a book called Communion: A True Story. It is not a new book. It’s been out for years. It has even been made into a movie. A tale of alien abduction by Whitley Strieber who claims in the book to have been repeatedly kidnapped and probed both physically (in the most unlikely of places) and mentally, then deposited back home to have bad dreams and little memory of what had happened to him. He was a tortured man until a hypnotherapist helped him to remember his ordeal. What makes this book non-fiction and not just another scary story in the science fiction section? Only the claim by the author that it is a true story. That’s about it…

I complained to a clerk. She agreed that it shouldn’t be in non-fiction but it was a corporate decision. “We are told where to put the books,” she said.

(By the way, Strieber also writes horror books. He wrote The Wolfen. To the best of my knowledge, he makes no claim that it is a true story.)

Last March, thirty-eight people in Rancho Santa Fe, California bought themselves new black Nikes, ate some bad applesauce, and shed their containers to meet and enter an alien space craft to be whisked off to the Kingdom of God. An alien spacecraft was, according to Whitley Strieber on a national radio show, tracking the Hale-Bopp Comet. Whitley Strieber, as you know, wrote a true story about alien abduction. It’s in the non-fiction section at Crown Books. He can be trusted.

As appealing as the idea may be, there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that we are being visited by beings from other worlds. Having said that, I invite the reader to visit our list of some of the more popular claims, disciplines, ideas, myths and fantasies that have been presented as facts but have no supporting evidence, or worse, have been shown to be false. Some of the people who make these claims would like nothing better then to part you from some of your money. (Go ahead, call the psychic hot line now!) Some are just silly. Many of their claims have caused real harm to people.

Amen to that post :

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