The Strange Tale of "Dr. 58"

[Murrangurk]

a very amusing story, but that's all it is.

That is all anything is. And it will do quite nicely thankyou.

Aimee????

TELL US MORE!! DAMN YOU IRONGHOST!!!!! I'm hooked.

Did you say something about a book or blog site? Where's the rest of the transcripts????

[Drifting Orchid]

That is all anything is. And it will do quite nicely thankyou.

Aimee????

TELL US MORE!! DAMN YOU IRONGHOST!!!!! I'm hooked.

Did you say something about a book or blog site? Where's the rest of the transcripts????

He has a lot on his website but not everything.

[Corp]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=98623&st=0

He's posted a bunch of them in this thread.

[Queen in the North]

Gotta say, Iron Ghost, I love your writing style.

[hUUjUU]

Hello Iron Ghost and other people. I found a link to this thread on Dailgrail.com and was a little intrigued (in the sense that coincidences and morphic resonance intrigue me)

Dr 58 was my 'made up jokey name' i used for a while in 2001 whilst i was trying to sell my 'inventions' on ebay. Based on a Ouija board idea, it was 2 magical geometric patterns drawn next to each other. The idea was for people to contact conciousness' from other dimensions. The geometric symbols were actually based on real magical inscriptions, but the whole project was meant as a bit of a joke (i didnt sell any !)

I picked Dr 58 because when i was about 7 we had to find out how many hairs were on the human body for a school project. 58 was how many i counted in 1cm square of my friends head. As kids do, i just decided that 58 was going to be my lucky number. When i met my partner (in 2001) their initials were S.B and i thought it a nice coincidence that they were similar to 58...which is why i again starting using 58 and came up with Dr 58.

I had a website at that time www.mtvdance.com where i 'presented' my theories and musings and 'mystical/ tid bits for a while (its gone now, but should be still on the 'way back machine' i thinks its a google app)

Obviously i'm not saying that i'm the same Dr 58, but one thing that struck me at the time is the coincidences/morphic resonances that seem to be a thread tying so much together.

Just thought you may be interested in that little sub plot !

all the best

[Drifting Orchid]

Hello Iron Ghost and other people. I found a link to this thread on Dailgrail.com and was a little intrigued (in the sense that coincidences and morphic resonance intrigue me)

Dr 58 was my 'made up jokey name' i used for a while in 2001 whilst i was trying to sell my 'inventions' on ebay. Based on a Ouija board idea, it was 2 magical geometric patterns drawn next to each other. The idea was for people to contact conciousness' from other dimensions. The geometric symbols were actually based on real magical inscriptions, but the whole project was meant as a bit of a joke (i didnt sell any !)

I picked Dr 58 because when i was about 7 we had to find out how many hairs were on the human body for a school project. 58 was how many i counted in 1cm square of my friends head. As kids do, i just decided that 58 was going to be my lucky number. When i met my partner (in 2001) their initials were S.B and i thought it a nice coincidence that they were similar to 58...which is why i again starting using 58 and came up with Dr 58.

I had a website at that time www.mtvdance.com where i 'presented' my theories and musings and 'mystical/ tid bits for a while (its gone now, but should be still on the 'way back machine' i thinks its a google app)

Obviously i'm not saying that i'm the same Dr 58, but one thing that struck me at the time is the coincidences/morphic resonances that seem to be a thread tying so much together.

Just thought you may be interested in that little sub plot !

all the best

Don't suppose you have a link to your old ebay account?

[hUUjUU]

Don't suppose you have a link to your old ebay account?

Not off the top of my head, sorry. The username was prob 'magic lamp'. If i find anything i'll post it up. I know this doesnt help much, but here are some of the things i was selling at the time (i was using ebay to publicise this site more than anything, we thought the name MTVDance was worth something and were trying to get a name for ourselves !!)we'd sell things like padded envelopes and call them 'containers for the dead sea scrolls', fun, silly things like that. http://web.archive.org/web/20050414030708/www.mtvdance.com/Shop.htm

[Drifting Orchid]

Not off the top of my head, sorry. The username was prob 'magic lamp'. If i find anything i'll post it up. I know this doesnt help much, but here are some of the things i was selling at the time (i was using ebay to publicise this site more than anything, we thought the name MTVDance was worth something and were trying to get a name for ourselves !!)we'd sell things like padded envelopes and call them 'containers for the dead sea scrolls', fun, silly things like that. http://web.archive.org/web/20050414030708/www.mtvdance.com/Shop.htm

Hehe, sounds like a good case of fraud.

[IronGhost]

Hello Iron Ghost and other people. I found a link to this thread on Dailgrail.com and was a little intrigued (in the sense that coincidences and morphic resonance intrigue me)

Dr 58 was my 'made up jokey name' i used for a while in 2001 whilst i was trying to sell my 'inventions' on ebay. Based on a Ouija board idea, it was 2 magical geometric patterns drawn next to each other. The idea was for people to contact conciousness' from other dimensions. The geometric symbols were actually based on real magical inscriptions, but the whole project was meant as a bit of a joke (i didnt sell any !)

I picked Dr 58 because when i was about 7 we had to find out how many hairs were on the human body for a school project. 58 was how many i counted in 1cm square of my friends head. As kids do, i just decided that 58 was going to be my lucky number. When i met my partner (in 2001) their initials were S.B and i thought it a nice coincidence that they were similar to 58...which is why i again starting using 58 and came up with Dr 58.

I had a website at that time www.mtvdance.com where i 'presented' my theories and musings and 'mystical/ tid bits for a while (its gone now, but should be still on the 'way back machine' i thinks its a google app)

Obviously i'm not saying that i'm the same Dr 58, but one thing that struck me at the time is the coincidences/morphic resonances that seem to be a thread tying so much together.

Just thought you may be interested in that little sub plot !

all the best

Jeepers! If you were to also tell me that you called your system "The Verdantic Mysteries" or that is was a kind of "Hassass Grid" I'd probably have a brain aneurism!

But thanks -- very interesting, indeed. It makes me think.

[louis_last]

give us more iron ghost you tease! I've been waiting since yesterday for the next installment.

[IronGhost]

give us more iron ghost you tease! I've been waiting since yesterday for the next installment.

Thanks, louis, maybe I will. I really don't know how much more I should post here -- it all takes a certain toll... the sessions are going on and on ... and the weirdness is weird ... well, anyway ...

[_Spawn_]

Thanks!

Fascinting tale IG. Please post more. Don't worry about any moronic detractors. I got your back! Just keep posting!!

I agree that it's an entertaining read, but I think this thread belongs in Writer's & Artist's Hangout

[PhilSciFi]

I must say this is interesting.

Now I generally feel that if there are alternative dimensions their boundaries cannot be broken by a plastic toy, but Dr. 58 did say something about a glass bulb and sesame oil.

Honestly, I think a spirit is pulling your leg you know some are pranksters.

But I am interested in what happens between you and "58" so don't leave us hanging.

[GreytMuse]

I agree, this is extremely interesting! Please continue...

[louis_last]

Thanks, louis, maybe I will. I really don't know how much more I should post here -- it all takes a certain toll... the sessions are going on and on ... and the weirdness is weird ... well, anyway ...

Please do, I must know how it ends.

From a less selfish angle - if the sessions are beginning to take a toll, with no end in sight, perhaps sharing them will be helpfull if only to prevent you from becoming too absorbed?

[darue]

as I was reading this Dr. 58 story i also found myself watching an old Night Gallery episode, which seemed resonant with this sort of story...

it's a short video adaptation of this wonderful old short story:

Silent Snow, Secret Snow

which you can watch on youtube... and hulu...

Perhaps on our Earth we have something similar to 58's MN though smaller in scope and magnitude... The Skinwalker Ranch.

Edited May 18, 2010 by darue

[IronGhost]

One more post, but first an opening comment:

On one end of the spectrum, some psychologists, such as the behavorist John Watson, say that the subconscious mind does not exist, that it is a ridiculous fallacy.

On the other extreme of the spectrum, there’s Carl Jung, who maintained that the subconscious mind was nothing less than “the doorway to transcendent.”

Jung said that inside every human being there dwells “a two million year old man.”

So, without further ado:

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(Some preliminaries eliminated)

Question: Dr. 58, during our last conversation we were interrupted, apparently, by some outside entity that referred to use as “Man Thing” and kept saying, See thee up, see thee doone.” Do you know anything about that?

ANSWER: NO. PERHAPS A MINNESOTA GHOUL OR TROLL TRIES TO ENTER OUR CONVERSATION.

Question: Interesting concept. Has there been any such incidents on your end?

ANSWER: SOME.

Question: Can you describe some … wait, let’s put that issue aside for now. We also want to ask you about your status as an Uncop and you call it, and what that means for you, but first we want to ask you about the satellite disasters. What happened there?

ANSWER: IT WAS A MAJOR BLOW TO THE NAZI REGIME.

Question: So this was a Nazi project? What did they try to do? Wait, first tell us more about the Nazis, can you?

ANSWER: WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?

Question: Here in our world the rise of Nazi Germany was one of the most brutal and agonizing periods in our history. A world wide war was waged to eliminate the Nazis. They were extremely evil, led by a man by the name of Adolph Hitler. For starters, they persecuted Jews and others, and killed 6 million of them. They attacked and subjugated other nations. Did any of these events happen in your world?

ANSWER: YOU SAY MANY AMAZING THINGS. SOME WOULD CONSIDER THE NAZIS EVIL. NOT ALL. THEY ARE OBSSESSIVE TECHNOCRATS. THERE CENTRAL DOCTRINE IS THE SUPREMACY OF MAN THROUGH TECHNOLOGICAL DETERMINISM.

Question: You mean they think science and technology are the primary driving forces of a society and the human race?

ANSWER: YES, THAT’S IT.

Question: Do you have Jews in your world? You have mentioned Jesus and Catholics.

ANSWER: JEWS. NO. YES, THE CATHOLICS REVERE JESUS.

Question: But you don’t know the term Jew? In our world, Jesus was a Jew. These were the Hebrews.

ANSWER: YES, THE HEBREWS. THEY ARE AN ANCIENT PEOPLE.

Question: Are there still Hebrews in your world of 1951.

ANSWER: I THINK SO.

Question: Well, was Jesus of the Hebrew people?

ANSWER: I’M NOT AN EXPERT. BUT JESUS IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE HEBREWS OR ANY GROUP. THAT WOULD BE … I CAN’T THINK OF THE WORD … WRONG.

Question: Well, where did Jesus come from in your world view?

ANSWER: IT IS NOT CONSIDERED CORRECT TO PLACE JESUS IN CONTEXT WITH ANY RACE OR NATIONALITY.

Question: In our world Jesus was said to be born of Jewish -- Hebrew -- parents in a city called Bethlehem which is in modern day Israel or I guess Palestine, but back then when Jesus was born I think Bethlehem was either in the Kingdom of Judah or Canaan, or one of those. Does any of this seem familiar to you?

ANSWER: NO. JESUS ORIGINATED IN A DESSERT REGION, IN THE LAND OF SUMER, AS GOES THE LEGEND.

Question: You consider it a legend? Let me ask you this, Dr. 58, do you subscribe to a religion?

ANSWER: NO. MY FAMILY IS EFV. I WAS TAUGHT THE EFV METHOD, BUT I FIND IT LACKING.

Question: What is EFV?

ANSWER: ESSENCE OF THE FIRST VIRGIN. YOU DON’T KNOW IT?

Question: No. Without going into too much detail, what are the essential tenets of EFV?

ANSWER: THAT THE UNIVERSE FLOWS FROM THE ESSENSE OF THE FIRST VIRGIN, THE MOTHER OF ALL EXISTENCE. SHE BEGAT THE PRIMAL SUMBION AND THUS CREATED THE FIRST DUALITY. THE VIBRATIONAL FORCES THAT MAKE UP ALL REALITY ARE GENERATED BY THE TENSIONS OF THE PRIMAL DUALITY.

Question: Nice. Well, how do you practice this religion? I mean, do you have rituals, places of worship, things like that?

ANSWER: NO. THERE ARE ART TEMPLES. FOR ESSENCE EXPRESSION. EFV IS NOT PRACTICED BUT IDEALLY LIVED MOMENT TO MOMENT.

Question: Well, what would be one thing you do to live in the way of EFV?

ASNWER: SINCE YOU SEEM IGNORANT, I WILL GIVE YOU A CHILD’S LESSON. HEAR THE WORDS WE SPEAK, OR SEE WHAT IS WRITTEN. WHAT IS BETWEEN THEM?

Question: You means the spaces in between the words?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: Well, these are blank spaces, am I right?

ANSWER: YES, WITHOUT THE BLANK SPACES WOULD COMMUNICATION BE POSSIBLE?

Question: I’ll have to think about it. It would be difficult I grant you that. Without pauses between words, everything would be jumbled together an would be difficult to understand. Yes, the silent spaces in between words contribute to their meaning, I guess. That’s my initial view.

ANSWER: THIS IS A SIMPLE DUALITY. THE TENSION BETWEEN WORD AND NONWORD CREATE MEANING. WITHOUT THIS TENSION, WORDS COULD NOT EXISTS. THE DUALITY OF THIS KIND PERVADES ALL NATURE. IF THERE IS TREE, THERE IS NON-TREE. DO YOU SEE? FOR THERE TO BE A TREE, THERE MUST BE AN INVISIBLE NON-TREE TO SERVE AS MOULD.

Question: How does one endeavor to perceive the non-tree?

ANSWER: YOU MUST BE SENSATIVE TO THE ESSENCE OF IT. FOR THE EFV, PEOPLE WHO BECOME TOO FOCUSED ONLY ON THE SOLID, PHYSICAL ASPECT HAVE GIVEN OVER TO A CRUDE MATERIALISM, AND HAVE LOST WAY.

Question: This sounds like a perfectly fine philosophy. Why do you find it lacking?

ANSWER: I ….

( a long pause)

ANSWER: I EITHER FAIL TO SEE, OR I AM CORRECT IN MY THINKING OF THE FAULTS OF THE BASIC PREMISE OF EFV.

Question: Well, don’t feel too bad there. Your struggle is common to most belief systems. In some respects this religion sounds somewhat similar here to what we call Taoism, or the Way of the Tao. It also considers the relationship between opposites as important and essential to understand life and nature. Do you know the term Tao?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Well, let’s move on. So the Nazi’s in your world, did they carry out a mass extermination of any particular group of people?

ANSWER: YES, THE NAZIS EXECUTED A POGROM UPON THE EBURNEANS.

Question: Who are the Eburneans?

ANSWER: A SUB-GROUP, SOME SAY A SUBSPECIES OF HUMAN. THEY ARE MALE ONLY, ASEXUAL ALBINOS

Question: Wow! Tell us more about them.

ANSWER: THEY ARE NEUTRALS. THEY ARE ASEXUAL. NO FEMALES.

Question: And they are albino, all white in skin?

ANSWER: YES, BUT NOT TRUE ALBINO.

Question: What do you mean?

ANSWER: ANY SPECIES OF ANIMAL CAN BE ALBINO, BUT THE EBURNEANS ARE WHITE OF A DIFFERENT NATURE.

Question: How do you mean?

ANSWER: A NATURAL ALBINO WILL HAVE PINK EYES, FOR EXAMPLE, AND RED BLOOD. THE EBURNEANS HAVE EYES OF SOLID WHITE, THEIR INNER ORGANS ARE WHITE, AS IS THEIR BLOOD. THEY HAVE LARGER HEADS. THEIR BLOOD IS WHITE AS MILK.

Question: Too incredible to believe! Are you spinning a yarn, Dr. 58?

ANSWER: SPINNING A YARN?

Question: Yipes! Forget that. I have to keep reminding myself that this information comes via the Ouija board. Anything goes, I guess, so I’ll go with anything. So if the Eburneans are asexual, how do they reproduce? You say there are no females, only men?

ANSWER: THERE IS SUPERSTITION AND THERE IS SCIENCE.

Question: Well, tell us the superstition first.

ANSWER: IT IS BELIEVED THAT THE EBURNS KIDNAP NORMAL BABIES AND BY SOME METHOD TRANSFORM THEM INTO EBURNEANS. OTHERS SAY THEY CULTURE FUNGUS.

Question: What is the scientific view?

ANSWER: THAT THE EBURNEANS ARE A SUBSPECIES OF MAN. THAT THEY HAVE SOME BIOLOGICAL FORM OF REPRODUCTION, PERHAPS ASEXUAL BUDDING.

Question: Well, this should be easy enough to prove scientifically, shouldn’t it? I mean, can’t some scientists or observers live among the Eburneans and observe all of their activities from birth to death? Or conduct medical tests on them?

ANSWER: YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND POLITICS.

Question: Jeepers, this could go on forever. Okay, tell me a bit about that history so I can understand this, will you please?

ANSWER: THE EBURNEANS ARE TABOO IN THE EXTREME. A SCIENTIST THAT WOULD CHOOSE TO STUDY THE EBURNIANS WOULD LOSE ALL STATUS. TO TOUCH AN EBURN MEANS LOSS OF ALL SOCIETAL LEGITIMACY. IT IS BELIEVED THAT TO TOUCH AN EBURN IS TO BECOME INFECTED AND TRANSFORMED INTO AN EBURNIAN.

Question: Has this ever happened?

ANSWER: IT IS CONTROVERSIAL. IT’S NEVER BEEN PROPERLY OBSERVED.

Question: But are there ways around all this? For example, one could observe them from afar, study their habits, learn their secrets?

ANSWER: THE TABOO IS STRONG. TO STUDY AN EBURN IN ANY WAY IS OBNOXIOUS.

Question: But certainly, somewhere along the line some crazy maverick scientist or anthropologist or mad priest would have studies the Eburneans?

ANSWER: NONE OF ENOUGH LEGITIMACY OR ACCEPTED COMPETANCE.

Question: So how do the Eburneans get along? Where do they live? What are there modes of existence?

ANSWER: THEY TRAVEL IS SMALL ISOLATED BANDS. THEY ARE NOMADIC. THEY KEEP TO THEMSELVES.

Question: Do they live in proximity to normal human, in or near cities?

ANSWER: THERE ARE FEW LEFT AFTER THE NAZIS. BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN URBAN AREAS, THEY FAVOR RURAL AREAS.

Question: What do they do for food and shelter?

ANSWER: THEY TRAVEL IN CARAVANS. AN EBURNEAN WILL EAT ANYTHING, GRASS, INSECTS, MOSS, TREE BARK.

Question: Do they wear clothing?

ANSWER: YES, OF COURSE.

Question: What is their language like?

ANSWER: THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE LANGUAGE, ALTHOUGH THEY SING. IT IS SPECULATED THEY COMMUNICATE PSIONICALLY, OR HAVE GROUP MIND.

Question: But do some consider them to be legitimate human beings?

ANSWER: YES, MANY TAKE THAT VIEW.

Question: Well, perhaps the Eburneans are a species of some sort that emerged out of Minnesota?

ANSWER: THE EBURNEANS WERE PRESENT IN THE OLD WORLD BEFORE MINNESOTA WAS DISCOVERED. NO OTHER KNOWN MINNESOTA CREATURE IS RECOGNIZED TO EXIST OUTSIDE MINNESOTA.

Question: What about doppelgangers?

ANSWER: WHAT ABOUT THEM?

Question: Well, although I assume rare, you said doppelgangers come out of Minnesota and live among the people?

ANSWER: BUT THERE TIME IS SHORT. THEY CAUSE TROUBLE AND EITHER DISAPPEAR OR ARE HUNTED DOWN AND KILLED.

Question: How could you really know that there are no species common to both inside and outside Minnesota?

ANSWER: MUCH IS SPECULATION. MUCH IS UNKNOWN.

Question: So when did the Nazis decide to rid the planet of the Eburneans, if that is what they tried to do?

ANSWER: AT THE END OF THE PREVIOUS CENTURY, THE NAZI’S BEGAN HUNTING AND KILLING EBURNEANS AFTER THE FLOOD OF HORROR EXTRUDED BY THE GRADITCH CHAX BECAME KNOWN AROUND THE WORLD.

Question: Oh my. So Minnesota was somehow involved in this?

ANSWER: YES. IT IS TERRIBLE TO SPEAK OF.

Question: Thankfully you are Uncop, Dr. 58, because we want to know about this Flood of Horror!

ANSWER: UNCOP STATUS DOES NOT PROTECT ME FROM SPREADING INFORMATION ABOUT MINNESOTA. NOTHING TOLERATES THAT.

Question: Well, your not really spreading information, you’re just sending information in a very narrow band from one alternate universe to another via the Hassas Grid!

ANSWER: I HOPE SO, BUT IT WOULD APPEAR OTHER CREATURES ARE LISTENING IN.

Question: Why would you think that?

ANSWER: YOU YOURSELF EXPERIENCED AN INTERUPTION FROM AND UNKNOWN SOURCE, AS HAVE I.

Question: Yes! Good point! I hadn’t given it that much thought. Sometimes what I called ‘session contamination’ happens in this kind of communication. Other mischievous beings pry or horn in. But maybe in this case it is your Minnesota forces impinging … I’m not sure what to think. Let’s not worry about it. So tell us about this Flood of Horrors, will you … but wait, we are exhausted. We need to rest. Can we pick this conversation up again at a later time?

ANSWER: I AM WILLING.

Question: Thank you and so long for now, Dr. 58.

ANSWER: SO LONG FOR WHAT?

Question: It means good bye!

ANSWER: GOOD BYE THEN.

[+susieice]

I feel like I'm being pulled into a Minnesota snowstorm.

Will be waiting for your next post IG.

[youhooo]

Fascinating, is it possible you could ask him some questions about his particular solar system, and universal constants, such as the speed of light and the value of Pi , how many planets , how far away from the sun are they , their planets dimension, their mesuring system, and if they use nuclear power,and what transport system is used by the public, also do they have a work based society, Many thanks if this is possible,

[IsThatTrue]

Wow...

What an experience!

When I began reading I thought 'well, this is bloody stupid...' but now I think it may just be true after all...

Please keep us posted! I'm greatly enjoying this!

[hUUjUU]

Hehe, sounds like a good case of fraud.

I dont think anyone actually really believed they were containers for the dead sea scrolls, it was all very tongue in cheek and never tried to pretend to be the truth. It's only fraud if you intend and manage to deceive someone. The descriptions of the things for sale was like the descriptions on the link i posted and i dont think anyone would have been fooled by that

[hUUjUU]

Jeepers! If you were to also tell me that you called your system "The Verdantic Mysteries" or that is was a kind of "Hassass Grid" I'd probably have a brain aneurism!

But thanks -- very interesting, indeed. It makes me think.

The closest i can get to Verdantic is that i used information cleaned from the Veda's and Vedic numerology (heres a link to a site i made about that http://web.archive.org/web/20060224180144/http://www.shivatech.co.uk/). The Board was designed as a grid, a little like 2 pentagrams, one on the left the other on the right, connected by grid lines. I called the entities you could contact Awass (which in my head was short for Awareness')

There is a bit of other stuff on this site (and the one i posted before) about using symbology and geometry to contact .....your sub concious/aliens/other dimensions !!

Interesting stuff

[gonzowalker]

I've never understood why some posters will hang around a topic they don't seem to like, just so they can ridicule others. I guess it makes em feel smarter?

[louis_last]

more.

[Drifting Orchid]

Seems like Dr. 58's world is much more advanced in some ways but less so in others.