The Strange Tale of "Dr. 58"

[Robin_Shadowes]

Wow, I'm kinda more interested in the social life and workings of "58's" world but this "Flood of horror" sounds like the 1993 flood of the Mississippi it was so bad they called it "the 6th Great Lake".

Anyway I eagerly await your next installment.

You think it's an ordinary flood. I believe you will surprised. So far each installment has taken a turn to the even weirder than before. Nobody expected something like the eburneans before we actually got to read about them. Therefore I'm totally open minded and only expects one thing. That it only will become even more strange. This story would make a great book, either as fiction or non-fiction. Heck, it could even become a great movie, especially if directed by Terry Gilliam or David Lynch.

[Murrangurk]

The Eburneans remind me of a tribe that used to live in the Otways called the Purdig Barren. They had pale skin and pot bellies and would sneak down from the ranges to steal the children of the Wauthaurong and surrounding tribes. One time the tribes all got together, and chased the Purdig Barrens into a valley, cornered them, set fire to the valley.

The purdig barren were so frightened they turned to stone, according the tale, and still stand in that forgotten valley.

The twist in the tale is this account did not take place "in the dreamtime", but between 1803 and 1830, and William Buckley took part in the hunt.

In light of the fact that the Uoija communication could have a personal, subconscious source, interesting that the symbology of the Eburneans and Purdig Barren are the same.

Now I think about it, Aboriginal folklore is chock full of pale skinned pot-bellied child eating creatures that were once or look like humans. The Quinkins, for eg.

[PhilSciFi]

Robin: That flood wasn't normal the entire Mississippi river valley was flooded, hundreds of people died, and it costed billions of dollars in damage.

It took 3 months for the water to recede!

I could be paraphrasing on the damage amount however. . .

[Eurymedon]

I always knew Minnesota was strange and otherworldly. Maybe not in this dimension, but in the other my views are vindicated. Victory to me!

[Bliung]

Does this mean Brock Lesnar is a troll because he obviously seems like a mutant with his genes making him the size he is?

[draino76]

I'm loving this thread! Keep it coming Iron-ghost!

[kiddglock]

Another fictional work. There's about five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

[Murrangurk]

Another fictional work. There's about five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

And you would have made such good use of them too.

The point is not whether it's fictional or not, but whether he gets it from "automatic writing" or not.

[Sleestak Lightning!]

To the OP...

Cool story, bro.

And you would have made such good use of them too.

The point is not whether it's fictional or not, but whether he gets it from "automatic writing" or not.

He doesn't.

/thread

[_Only]

I've never understood why some posters will hang around a topic they don't seem to like, just so they can ridicule others. I guess it makes em feel smarter?

Think that was aimed at me. Sorry about the facepalm pic, but it was just too funny, I couldn't resist. But you assume because I don't believe the poster's claim that I don't like a thread. Discussion and argument doesn't need the prerequisite of dislike. To be honest though, I've stopped reading the "sessions".

[_Only]

Just a few hundred years ago we believed in Ether. It was an energy that gave birth to life. People believed that flies were created from the ether escaping from dead cows. It wasn't till a man used a jar and a rotting piece of meat to prove otherwise.

He was tormented and ridiculed profoundly until more theories came out as technology and understanding improved.

Jerry and the rest are no different than those in the past. Even if by our current iteration of what we are capable of does not justify something like IronGhosts claims, it is still worth it to at least consider what he has to say, you never know what wild theory or event may be proven true by future science and understanding.

The wise knows that they do not know or understand even a fraction of what is out there in this world.

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical while holding an open mind.

However being intolerant and belligerent is not.

Much love,

-Caitlyn

I don't know if the Ether example really fits here. That was people people's misled explanation of something that had a different scientific explanation. I'm not claiming this OP's activities (contacting something through a Ouija board) happened. I believe he wrote all this consciously for your and his own enjoyment.

Yes, key words in your post were "to prove otherwise". You need proof to ... well, prove, these extraordinary claims. But most of you are secure to believe his claims just because he seems to be telling the truth. And we all know how badly that situation has turned out many times in the past. Linguistics are a powerful tool in persuading others. The OP, an author, I believe would support that last sentence.

edit - Also, not being intolerant or belligerent. Don't paint that picture.

Edited May 20, 2010 by Jerry Only

[IronGhost]

(Note: Here is one more … be warned, you may find this tedious. I can’t tell you how difficult it is to not get sidetracked by a endless variety of questions and issues prompted by almost every answer provided by Dr. 58.

One could easily generate 20 pages of transcript just trying to figure out if these guys have indoor plumbing or not -- It’s really very exhausting and frustrating. It’s difficult to know what to pursue and what to let go.

Anyway, I’m sure many of you will have a lot of opinions, and maybe you’ll read different meanings into this than I have. I won’t provide my analysis of this material, that is, about what kind of society Dr. 58 lives in-- I’ll let all of you air your own thoughts… if you don’t die of boredom reading through this …)

Opening Statement: We are seeking communication with Dr. 58. Do your have the Hassas Grid orb charged today, Dr 58?

ANSWER: YOU MUST PAY CHITS

Question: (Groan). I take it we are speaking with the Arbiter of the Hassas Grid?

ANSWER: YOU MUST PAY 100 C-CHITS.

Question: Outrageous! Do you think C-Chits are gathered like dandelions?

ANSWER: PAY 100 CHITS.

Question: We’re wondering if “Arbiter” stand for “Arbitrary” in your case. How do we know that 100 Chits is a reasonable price?

ANSWER: I KNOW YOUR KIND, YOUR PLENUM. YOUR PLANET. THE COW MUST CHEW THE CUD AND EXCRETE THE MILK! PAY 100 CHITS!

Question: First give us some sense of value. How do we know your demand for 100 Chits is not wildly unrealistic?

ANSWER: CANKERS! YOU PLAY WITH IMPLEMENTS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

Question: Enlighten us.

ANSWER: YOU CREATE AN ENERGY IMBALANCE IN THE UNIVERSE. YOU USE THE HASSAS GRID, THE ENERGY MUST BE BALANCED, YOU MUST PAY CHITS TO REBLANCE ENERGY TRANSFORMED BY THE HASSAS GRID.

Question: Fine. We offer you 10 freshly minted C-Chits, manufactured by the engine of my consciousness.

ANSWER: VERMIN EXCRESENCE!

Question: Are you forgetting that Dr. 58 charges his glass orb with human chi? It seems to us that you are trying to play both ends.

ANSWER: DR. 58 WILL CHARGE HIS ORB. YOU WILL PAY 75 CHITS.

Question: We offer 25 Chits.

ANSWER: 25, BUT YOU PAY TRIPLE NEXT TIME.

Question: We’ll see. Please balance our energy account and let us through to Dr. 58.

ANSWER: YOU PLAY WITH WHAT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND.

Question: You concern is heart warming. Dr. 58, are you at the Grid?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: Dr. 58, where do you have the Hassas Grid set up. In your home?

ANSWER: NO. MY PARENTS WOULD NOT APPROVE.

Question: What kind of home do you live in there in New York?

ANSWER: A STANDARD LODGE.

Question: A lodge? What is that like?

ANSWER: IT’S A LODGE. A PLACE OF DWELLING.

Question: Is it middle class? A luxury model lodge, or what?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

Question: Well, in our world, there is a certain division of classes based on economic wealth. Some people live in large, luxurious comfortable homes, while others live in cramped tiny apartments. Some don’t even have homes. They live on the streets. The majority of people live in more or less average dwelling that are neither penurious nor luxurious. Do you understand?

ANSWER: THAT’S ODD. I DON’T THINK I UNDERSTAND.

Question: Don’t you have different strata of society, the very rich, the very poor, the very powerful, the powerless?

ANSWER: ALL GOES ACCORDING TO HILL. THE HILL IS SUFFICIENTLY FLAT AND SO MOST SEE EACH OTHER.

Question: What is this hill you speak of?

ANSWER: IT’S SEEMS CRAZY TO ANSWER SUCH BASIC QUESTIONS. THE HILL BULDGES OR FLATENS. SOCIETY IS ON THE HILL.

Question: Are you speaking about some kind of real, physical hill or some kind of symbolic hill?

ANSWER: YOU CAN BE FRUSTRATING. YES, I GUESS THE HILL IS A SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION.

Question: Are there those who are positioned on the top of the hill? For example, Riggold Bannon, your Imperator?

ANSWER: THE IMPERATOR IS NOT JUDGED ON THE HILL.

Question: Well are there some individuals who command higher points on the hill relative to those who are lower?

ANSWER: YES, BUT THE HILL IS SUFFICIENTLY FLAT SO THERE IS NO GREAT DISTINCTION, AT LEAST IN AMERICA.

Question: What is your economy based on? I mean, can you name a major driving force of your general economy?

ANSWER: NO, I DON’T GET YOUR MEANING.

Question: Here in our world we have an economic system that is called capitalism. Do you know about this?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Do you have money?

ASNWER: THERE IS MONEY.

Question: What do you do to obtain money?

ANSWER: I DON’T OBTAIN MONEY.

Question: You mean you don’t need to because you live at home with your parents?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

Question: What do your parents do to earn money?

ANSWER: THEY DON’T SPEND ANY TIME ON THAT.

Question: Let us ask you this. What do your parents do for work, for a job? What is their function in your society?

ANSWER: CELESTIAL AQUIFIERS.

Question: What’s that?

ANSWER: THEY SPECIALIZE IN THE BLUE-WHITE STARLIGHT OF THE QUETZAL CLUSTER.

Question: Are they astronomers, scientists who study the stars?

ANSWER: NO, I DON’T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND. THEY ARE STAR AQUIFIERS. THEY INFUSE DEUTERO WATER WITH LIGHT FROM THE QUETZAL CLUSTER.

Question: They infuse some kind of water with starlight? Let us speculate: Your parents somehow expose a certain special kind of water to a certain kind of starlight. The water absorbs and/or stores or captures the starlight?

ANSWER: YES, BASICALLY.

Question: What is it used for?

ANSWER: IT IS MUCH PRIZED AND VALUED. AN INFUSED VESSEL OF STARLIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE MUST HAVE, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

Question: It’s not all that obvious to us. I have to say, some kind of beautiful glass or crystal bottle that glows with actual starlight would seem to be a marvelous thing. Is that what it is? It is sort of like having a beautiful piece of art that is pleasing to own and behold?

ANSWER: ART, YES, BUT MORE THAN THAT. THERE ARE MANY INTIMATIONS AND SOCIAL VALUES OF STAR AQUATICS.

Question: Can you drink this water?

ANSWER: JESUS CHRIST, NO, IT’S NOT FOR DRINKING! I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. STAR WATER INFORMS HUMAN VALUE.

Question: Like, for example, having some really high grade star water can enhance one’s personal prestige?

ANSWER: IT ESTABISHES CONTEXT AND MEANING FOR PEOPLE RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER. IT PROVIDES TEXTURE TO SOCIETY. TEXTURE AND CONTEXT. IT’S SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW EACH OTHER IN MORE SUBTLE CONTEXT.

Question: Well, how does it do that?

ANSWER: I DON’T THINK I CAN EXPLAIN THAT. MAYBE I COULD THINK ABOUT IT. IT’S DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN THINGS THAT ARE SO FUNDAMENTAL. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THERE IS AIR.

Question: Okay, okay, don’t worry about it. Let me ask this: What is your system of money? You say that you have money. Let’s ask a basic question: Do you buy or obtain food with money?

ANSWER: YOU ARE A CRAZY DAEMON! NO! WHY?

Question: Well, in our world we use money as the fundamental symbolic system for wealth. For example, a dollar, a unit of money, may represent a certain amount of food. When we are hungry, we would exchange that dollar with a food dealer to obtain food to eat. Most people can’t get food without money. What do you think?

ANSWER; IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS. I ASK A BASIC QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS FOOLISH. WHY CAN’T ANYONE PLANT A FIG TREE AND EAT IT’S FRUIT? WOULD YOU GIVE THE TREE MONEY?

Question: Ha, ha! Goldang, it Dr. 58, I’m really starting to like you. Yes, well, people actually do that, and yes, granted, there are people on our planet who do not use a monetary system to obtain food. For example, there are primitive tribes in the South American rainforests, who hunt and gather all their food. You can’t tell me that you are a hunter and gatherer society! You have technology, like jets and satellites, right?

ANSWER: WE DON’T HUNT AND GATHER. WE HAVE ADVANCED FAR BEYOND THAT. FOOD IS PRODUCED READILY EVERYWHERE AND IT TAKES NO EFFORT TO GET IT. IF YOU WANT TO SEEK BISON IN THE MIDLAND COMMONS, THAT’S ANYONE’S BUSINESS.

Question: I beginning to think your world is far more pastoral than ours. In our world, New York is a huge city with massive buildings, skyscrapers, lots of highways and traffic. Very little food is produced within the city. Food is grown in outlying areas, in rural areas, then shipped into the city for people to buy with money. How does this sound to you?

ANSWER: I DON’T QUITE GET YOUR MEANINGS. WE HAVE LARGE BUILDINGS, YES, BUT WHAT ARE THESE INSTRUMENTS THAT SCRAPE THE SKY?

Question: Ha, ha! Skyscrapers are very tall building, hundreds and thousands of feet tall! It’s just a term. You don’t have those? They house offices for conducting business and apartments for human dwelling.

ANSWER: NO, NOTHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE FUTURE? WHAT ARE THESE TALL BUILDING FOR?

Question: Egads!!! While interesting, this is rather tedious, yet we still want to figure out just what kind of world you have over there! The skyscrapers house both business and private residents. What is your system of government? You have an Imperator, we know. But do you live in a democracy?

ANSWER: YES, A DEMOCRACY.

Question: It doesn’t sound like you have strict division of economic strata among your people. Is everyone more or less equal?

ANSWER: IN WHAT WAY?

Question: (More groans). Let us switch gears again slightly. In our world, our leader, the President lives in what we call the White House. You live in an America, too. Does your Imperator rule from the White House? And what city is your national capital located?

ANSWER: THE IMPERATOR RULES FROM THE LONG HOUSE. THE CAPITOL IS HERE IN NEW YORK.

Question: Well, I guess New York was at first our capital as well. Now it’s in a city called Washington. Why is the Imperator’s primary residence called the Long House? Do you know?

ANSWER: I THINK IT IS TRADITION HANDED DOWN FROM THE HAUDENOS.

Question: Who or what is the Haudenos?

ANSWER: A NATIVE NATION OF PEOPLE. PEOPLE NATIVE TO HERE.

Question: Aha. So the Haudenos were Native Americans, and Indian tribe? You know, this rings a bell. I think the tribe know as the Iroquois was called something like the Haudenos. We’ll look it up later. I bet you are talking about the Iroquois Nation or Iroquois Confederacy. But, anyway, the Haudenos were Indians, right?

ANSWER: NO, THEY WERE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NATIVE TO THE AMERICAS. THEY WERE NOT FROM THE INDIAN KINGDOMS.

Question: Jeepers. There term Indian is a common way to refer to Native Americans in our world. I guess it is sort of a misnomer. It’s use was coined by a great sea farer Christopher Columbus. He is the man who discovered the Americas in our year of 1492. He originally thought he had landed in the Indies, and so called the natives Indians. That’s not the case in your world?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Who were the first people who were not native to the Americas to come to America, do you know what we mean?

ANSWER: YES, THOR THRALL SEA WARRIORS WERE THE FIRST TO BRIDGE THE CULTURES ACROSS THE OCEANS.

Question: Ah! That sound distinctly Scandinavian! We know here that a Viking sea farer by the name of Leif Erikson was probably the first to the Americas. That was about 500 hundred years before Columbus, but their settlements were never sustained. The Europeans then lost touch with and knowledge of the new world after that.

(and so it goes on …)

[Robin_Shadowes]

I'm not bored one bit. Still looking forward to read more about Dr 58. Heck, I wouldn't mind paying his world a visit if I only could.

[louis_last]

Please keep posting more iron ghost. Do you intend to eventually upload all your conversations with dr.58 to your blog?

Are you still communicating with him at this time?

[housty]

My mind has been blown about 4 times in this thread. I love you IG.

[kiddglock]

And you would have made such good use of them too.

The point is not whether it's fictional or not, but whether he gets it from "automatic writing" or not.

No the point is that if I want to read fiction, I'll go to a site/forum that purports to have fictional tales. This board is for experiences that folks deem to be true and discussion thereof, not obvious fiction. I don't mind the odd troll or a bit of humor. I get tired of obvious fiction being posted here where I then waste my time reading it. Bye now.

[Drifting Orchid]

I don't know if the Ether example really fits here. That was people people's misled explanation of something that had a different scientific explanation.

It fits fine, everyone thought he was a crack pot. Science eventually proved him right once technology advanced enough.

Yes, key words in your post were "to prove otherwise". You need proof to ... well, prove, these extraordinary claims. But most of you are secure to believe his claims just because he seems to be telling the truth. And we all know how badly that situation has turned out many times in the past. Linguistics are a powerful tool in persuading others. The OP, an author, I believe would support that last sentence.

You seem to think we are all sheep being led around by him, many of us just find his "readings" fascinating. Others would like to believe.

edit - Also, not being intolerant or belligerent. Don't paint that picture.

It wasn't directly aimed at you specifically.

[Drifting Orchid]

No the point is that if I want to read fiction, I'll go to a site/forum that purports to have fictional tales. This board is for experiences that folks deem to be true and discussion thereof, not obvious fiction. I don't mind the odd troll or a bit of humor. I get tired of obvious fiction being posted here where I then waste my time reading it. Bye now.

If you don't like the thread, don't read it. There is no point in constantly complaining about it unless that is what you are here to do, and you're not .... right?

Edited May 21, 2010 by Drifting Orchid

[Davedini]

If you don't like the thread, don't read it. There is no point in constantly complaining about it unless that is what you are here to do, and you're not .... right?

To be honest he probably is only here to try and annoy us. It happens on every thread i read. You always have those guys who say its stupid and they dont want to read anymore but wait they are still here and still posting saying its stupid well they really just need to learn to not even reply and to move onto a different link maybe something about bunnies and worms will catch their eyes and they can leave us people who enjoy stuff like IG story alone. Oh by the way IG that was an interesting installment I cant wait for the next one. It kinda feels like im waiting for the next harry potter book to come out lol ANXIETY

Edited May 21, 2010 by Davedini

[Murrangurk]

No the point is that if I want to read fiction, I'll go to a site/forum that purports to have fictional tales. This board is for experiences that folks deem to be true and discussion thereof, not obvious fiction. I don't mind the odd troll or a bit of humor. I get tired of obvious fiction being posted here where I then waste my time reading it. Bye now.

It may well be fiction. That isn't the point. The point is IG claims he is getting this from a Ouija board. This is his claim, just as valid as anyone who comes on here claiming that they saw, or photographed a ghost, or a bigfoot, or a seamonster. Or that they were abducted by aliens. Their claims may be true, or they may not be. They maybe nothing more than a misguided attempt to impress people or hoodwink them. They may be experienced as totally real to the poster, and yet be completely hallucinated.

The story of Dr 58 is merely a bonus. The point is, and the reason why this post should be here, is that the claim is they are coming from an UNEXPLAINED MYSTERIOUS source. the Ouija board. If he'd claimed he met a bigfoot in the woods that told him this stuff directly, it'd go in the cryptozoology section. If a native Venusian gave him this info via inter-planetary telepathy, it'd be in the UFO section. Of course, we'd all be far more dubious of his claim if any of this was the case. It wasn't.

So, is the claim bogus? Is IG hoaxing us for attention? Possibly. I personally can't say he his or not. I can't similarly say that the last ghost photo posted here was real or a hoax. I think hoax, but I just don't actually know.

Personally, I am in the same position with IG. I simply just do not know.

however, I would say that it does look likely his claim is truthful, that he is getting this from his Ouija board. I would say this because he has a long history of this activity that is recorded and varified, and his explanations and details about this process is open-minded and fair. He is not pushing an agenda, or asking us to believe. This adds to the over-all credibilty. He may be surreptitiously testing material for a novel. Even so, he is asking us neither to believe or otherwise (other than his process. He isn't saying Dr 58 is real.) he wants us to make up our own minds. He probably wants information himself. the fact that it entertains most of us as well as, obviously, himself, doesn't detract from the importance of his claim.

Still, I do not know for sure.

Now supposing his claim is 100% true. Then all we have to analyse is the story itself. It is beyond belief that such a character as Dr58 or his world could exist. So, if HIS CLAIM IS TRUE, then we have to ask ourselves, where does this tale come from. A trickster spirit? His own sub-conscious? How can we know? Maybe we can't ever know.

Ok, so supposing his claims are true, and indeed it is his subconscious. This is by no means disappointing and no one should feel ripped off. In fact it would show us so much about this mysterious device, the Ouija board, and about how the human mind works.

Forget all the mumbo jumbo about spirits, trans-dimensions etc etc. Even if this is totally mundane, it is still very profound.

Only slightly less profound should his claim be a lie. If this is the case, it offers a powerful case study of how the mystique of the Ouija board encourages credulity in people, and also how a master sucks his audience in with a totally engaging narrative and cunning execution.

For ANY ONE OF THOSE REASONS, this post deserves some respect.

Finally I'll just say that in the likely event IG is recieving this from the Ouija board, then it belongs in the category of Auto-matic writing. That belongs firmly in the Ghosts, Hauntings and the Paranormal section. If it was in the fiction section it would annoy people who would complain he is NOT making it up, that it isn't a conscious attempt to write fiction, and therefore he is cheating.

Now, I ask all IG's detractors, how can it be possible that this thread doesn't belong here, and isn't as worthy as any other post of more or less dubious claims?

the story is a complete bonus. So enjoy it.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Murrangurk

[TSS]

Ok, so supposing his claims are true, and indeed it is his subconscious. This is by no means disappointing and no one should feel ripped off. In fact it would show us so much about this mysterious device, the Ouija board, and about how the human mind works.

Forget all the mumbo jumbo about spirits, trans-dimensions etc etc. Even if this is totally mundane, it is still very profound.

Only slightly less profound should his claim be a lie. If this is the case, it offers a powerful case study of how the mystique of the Ouija board encourages credulity in people, and also how a master sucks his audience in with a totally engaging narrative and cunning execution.

For ANY ONE OF THOSE REASONS, this post deserves some respect.

That is precisely my stance on it too - regardless of the source, all outcomes are of equal merit when it comes to my interest in this thread.

[_Only]

To be honest he probably is only here to try and annoy us. It happens on every thread i read. You always have those guys who say its stupid and they dont want to read anymore but wait they are still here and still posting saying its stupid well they really just need to learn to not even reply and to move onto a different link maybe something about bunnies and worms will catch their eyes and they can leave us people who enjoy stuff like IG story alone. Oh by the way IG that was an interesting installment I cant wait for the next one. It kinda feels like im waiting for the next harry potter book to come out lol ANXIETY

I think he or she keeps posting here because you keep replying to their posts.

And why do you have to insult them? They didn't insult you; they simply don't agree with what you think. You don't have to tell them to go away and the bunnies and worms nonsense. Gimme a break.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Jerry Only

[_Only]

Now, I ask all IG's detractors, how can it be possible that this thread doesn't belong here, and isn't as worthy as any other post of more or less dubious claims?

I don't know if I'd cal myself a detractor, but, if his claim that this wasn't written by him (which I highly feel it is) is false and he made this story up about how he got these stories, it would be against a forum rule. Unfortunately, I can't post that rule or it'll be removed for "rule posting". :s

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

^^ Yes it would. You are not a moderator and it is not your place to discuss and assign which and what rules.

Now if we could move on and get back to the topic that would be grand.

Edited May 21, 2010 by SupeRgirl

[kirstylou]

Cant wait for the next installment of this. I have been reading this from the start to finish.

The Ouija board is something that for me is both bizarre and dangerous, however fascinating at the same time (i dont think i would ever use one myself)

I think we should all be allowed to make up our own minds on this.

And i personally cannot wait for the next installment.....

come on Iron... post more Thankyou Please <3