Moon Monkey Posted June 1, 2010 #276 Share Posted June 1, 2010 I saw people running around in a frenzy with no weapons, so I don't know really how the Israel's saw them waiting for them. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted June 1, 2010 #277 Share Posted June 1, 2010 If the IDF believed that the convoy was being used to smuggle weapons and ammunitions to Hamas and therefore there were terrorists on board, or the some of aid workers were involved with terrorist organizations, why were the commandos armed with 'paintball guns'?. Well first off I doubt those were paintball guns and more likely some kind of pepper spray ball guns, they look similar. Having soldiers shoot paint at people seems rather odd. And as for using them instead of going in fully armed they likely knew that with all the activists on board was trouble waiting to happen and they wanted to try non-lethal methods of taking the ships. It seemed to work on the other ships however something happened on the main ship the resulted in live ammo being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted June 1, 2010 #278 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Military training isn't to remain perfectly calm, it's to be aggressive. They were special forces soldiers, not trained to handle crowd control. They were not expecting a mob of people to start attacking them. Really? You attempt to take over a ship in international waters and don't expect them to defend themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryinrea Posted June 1, 2010 Author #279 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I was just replying to a post made by Corp, and heres a link for you , claim by Israeli government official Fail since they claimed that this ship was propaganda too make Israel not legal, so in other word they were p***ed that other people were helping the Palatines Israel has called the convoy a media stunt, insisting there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza despite reports to the contrary from aid agencies and offering to deliver the supplies through its own land crossings. "This is a provocation intended to delegitimise Israel," Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said on Saturday. MV Rachel Corrie, is being sent over now the Irish prime minster demands Israel to let the aid through. For those that don't know about Rachel Corrie was an American that was killed by the Israelis bulldozers Edited June 1, 2010 by Ryinrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted June 1, 2010 #280 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Really? You attempt to take over a ship in international waters and don't expect them to defend themselves? Well to be fair the other ships didn't and no one was killed on them. After all it's not like the Israeli soldiers are going to do horrible things to the crew so I would think in this case it would be better not to attack the armed soldiers and instead keep things peaceful. After all the activists had proven their point, though the deaths are getting them a hell of a lot more press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runa86 Posted June 1, 2010 #281 Share Posted June 1, 2010 is being sent over now the Irish prime minster demands Israel to let the aid through. Too late. Israel has already let the aid in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted June 1, 2010 #282 Share Posted June 1, 2010 But Israel was not the attacker, Nice attempt at spin. It's not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted June 1, 2010 #283 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Well first off I doubt those were paintball guns and more likely some kind of pepper spray ball guns, they look similar. Having soldiers shoot paint at people seems rather odd. And as for using them instead of going in fully armed they likely knew that with all the activists on board was trouble waiting to happen and they wanted to try non-lethal methods of taking the ships. It seemed to work on the other ships however something happened on the main ship the resulted in live ammo being used. Then when the soldiers were killed or injured, they could claim they were only using paintball guns. Israel is a criminal state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted June 1, 2010 #284 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Well to be fair the other ships didn't and no one was killed on them. After all it's not like the Israeli soldiers are going to do horrible things to the crew REALLY?!!! Are you aware of what they do when taken prisoner by the IDF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryinrea Posted June 1, 2010 Author #285 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Eh? From the news reports I have seen that had reporters their at the time of the raid, and on the ship they didn't have any weapons from what I saw. Edited June 1, 2010 by Ryinrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryinrea Posted June 1, 2010 Author #286 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Too late. Israel has already let the aid in. Thanks for the update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 1, 2010 #287 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Can anyone give me good reasons they don't go through Egypt instead of continually pushing this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryinrea Posted June 1, 2010 Author #288 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Too late. Israel has already let the aid in. And the News Paper in question is heavily Pro Israel, and a rightest newspaper, so take everything with a bit of salt. Edited June 1, 2010 by Ryinrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryinrea Posted June 1, 2010 Author #289 Share Posted June 1, 2010 http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-to-europe-stop-your-citizens-from-sailing-to-gaza-with-aid-1.290831 They called for Europe to stop send citizens with aid too Gaza. Oh no Humanitarians seriously Israel you have just shown your true colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo87 Posted June 1, 2010 #290 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Can anyone give me good reasons they don't go through Egypt instead of continually pushing this issue? You mean the pledges made by Turkey to send more ships with Naval support? I would think the attack on their territory and the killing of peace activists would be taken personally by any country and they can justify their anti-Israeli position, with a great deal of sympathy throughout the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted June 1, 2010 #291 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Can anyone give me good reasons they don't go through Egypt instead of continually pushing this issue? Anti-Israel PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 1, 2010 #292 Share Posted June 1, 2010 You mean the pledges made by Turkey to send more ships with Naval support? I would think the attack on their territory and the killing of peace activists would be taken personally by any country and they can justify their anti-Israeli position, with a great deal of sympathy throughout the world. That and the humanitarian aid that people have been whining and complaining that Israel has been blocking for years. If the entire world is so concerned about it why don't they just take the easiest available route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runa86 Posted June 1, 2010 #293 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) And the News Paper in question is heavily Pro Israel, and a rightest newspaper, so take everything with a bit of salt. Arutz Sheva is not rightist, it's religious. If we go by your definition then Hamas and Abbas are also far-rightist. Edited June 1, 2010 by Runa86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosewin Posted June 1, 2010 #294 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Can anyone give me good reasons they don't go through Egypt instead of continually pushing this issue? Up until today Egypt in unison with Israel both had a blockade on the Gaza Strip. Because of this incident Egypt, under popular demand from its own citizens, has decided to life the embargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryinrea Posted June 1, 2010 Author #295 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) You mean the pledges made by Turkey to send more ships with Naval support? I would think the attack on their territory and the killing of peace activists would be taken personally by any country and they can justify their anti-Israeli position, with a great deal of sympathy throughout the world. An attack on ships from all over the world including people from European countries, the united states, Turkey,Grease,Sweden, and Northern Ireland, so not just Turkey. This was planed by 50 nations of all different creeds, and backgrounds just with one simple goal to show the world what Israel does in the Gaza blockade, and they used the media to their advantage which I at this because it showed the world Israel true colors which I saw a long time ago. I also see Hamas as the bad guy as well, so I am neutral in the conflict. Edited June 1, 2010 by Ryinrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted June 1, 2010 #296 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Up until today Egypt in unison with Israel both had a blockade on the Gaza Strip. Because of this incident Egypt, under popular demand from its own citizens, has decided to life the embargo. So why not just keep it open and remove the gazans' reliance on Israel ?. Maybe the EU monitors could come back as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryinrea Posted June 1, 2010 Author #297 Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Arutz Sheva is not rightist, it's religious. If we go by your definition then Hamas and Abbas are also far-rightist. That is the problem Religious biased, since a person religion can effect their perspective of the news. From wikipedia it said that it was rightist leaning, so Sorry about THAT. This is why I don't trust Hamas, nor do I trust religious based news papers Edited June 1, 2010 by Ryinrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 1, 2010 #298 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Up until today Egypt in unison with Israel both had a blockade on the Gaza Strip. Because of this incident Egypt, under popular demand from its own citizens, has decided to life the embargo. Why hasn't Egypt been under scrutiny for this the same as Israel then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted June 1, 2010 #299 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Why hasn't Egypt been under scrutiny for this the same as Israel then? They always go quiet when you ask this...then maybe they will say it is due to israeli pressure to keep it closed but as we see again today, Egypt can open it as and when they wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted June 1, 2010 #300 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Nice attempt at spin. It's not working. Let's see - Turkey, which currently occupied Cyprus and build illegal settelments, butcher it's large Kurdish minority (57,000 since 1984), carried the first modern genocide of the 20th century and still denies it, is all of the sudden the pure, merciful defender of Hamas (and not the Palestinian Authority, which represents the majority of the Palestinians in the territories, but they don't suite Erdugan's agenda because he's an Islamist), and sends this innocent "peace" fleet, which tries to break a military blockade Israel is entitled to put on an "enemy state" according to international laws, claiming to carry aid but hide clubs, molotov cocktails, shock grenades, and try to lynch soldiers armed with paintball rifles, because they expected they would simply have to calm a demonstration. I understand radical left wingers tend to support the underdog everywhere, but really, supporting an Islamic KKK like regime? and siding with one of the worst human rights abuser in the west - Turkey. There's simply no logic. P.S It seems there was not much aid on those ships - most of the aid is expired drugs and water, and the total aid on all of those ships is less than 25% of what Israel let Hamas get in on daily basis. The whole point of these ships was to humaliate Israel and support Hamas, not the Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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