Pseudo Intellectual 1 #126 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I am sure that the people on those boats are not Jew-haters. But there is always a chance of a small group within. As for Israel, it is unexplainable how they go to p*** of Turkey, a friend. I would be very coutios. Turkey is not led by nutjobs. When they promise something they do it. I have posted a video showing outright hatred of Jews on the ships. And these people are known supporters of the Jew-hating terrorist group Hamas. Edited June 1, 2010 by Pseudo Intellectual Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryinrea 201 #127 Posted June 1, 2010 The wikipedia page is a good summary of the incident. The raid was legal. Also, IDF forces first used paintball guns The raid wasn't legal, and so how would they now they were paintball guns. And don't make me laugh that was on of the most biased things I have ever heard. It has even stated it was in International waters, so basically it was illegal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #128 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I have posted a video showing outright hatred of Jews on the ships. And these people are known supporters of the Jew-hating terrorist group Hamas. Was that a hatred of jews or jews portraying the hatred of jews? What was the manifest on the ships they borded? Was it really an out right hatred of jews or just some people defending there ship? Edited June 1, 2010 by The Silver Thong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryinrea 201 #129 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I have posted a video showing outright hatred of Jews on the ships. And these people are known supporters of the Jew-hating terrorist group Hamas. You don't know that was the people were the ones on that video were on the freaking ships it was a youtube video that wasn't linked to any news organization. Edited June 1, 2010 by Ryinrea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielost 8,881 #130 Posted June 1, 2010 i just heard on fox news, and we should have thought about this as well. if isreal had waited for these ships to cross into the 20 mile national waters. they would then have had to deal with and probable sink pleasure and fishing boats that would have gone out and tried to escort these ships in. then you isreal haters would really be throwing a fit. also i heard that they started out using paint ball guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drj312 4 #131 Posted June 1, 2010 The raid wasn't legal, and so how would they now they were paintball guns. And don't make me laugh that was on of the most biased things I have ever heard. It has even stated it was in International waters, so basically it was illegal did you read the legality section on the wiki page? im the one whos laughing right now. just because it was in international waters does not make it illegal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #132 Posted June 1, 2010 i just heard on fox news, and we should have thought about this as well. if isreal had waited for these ships to cross into the 20 mile national waters. they would then have had to deal with and probable sink pleasure and fishing boats that would have gone out and tried to escort these ships in. then you isreal haters would really be throwing a fit. also i heard that they started out using paint ball guns. Why do people use the term or words of such, hate as jew haters or Israel haters when talking about an international conflict. Seems the same people want to equate the Israel issue the same as the North Korea issue. Strange but they seem to have the same yet different results. I guess it depends on who one conciders just and good in the eye's of god. North Korea bad for sinking a boat but good for Israel for bording a boat and killing people. I think some allies better be looked at closer than some. Israel being one of them as they seem to think they can do no wrong. Thats not right but I find that arrogance in many nations that have the "bomb" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielost 8,881 #133 Posted June 1, 2010 Why do people use the term or words of such, hate as jew haters or Israel haters when talking about an international conflict. Seems the same people want to equate the Israel issue the same as the North Korea issue. Strange but they seem to have the same yet different results. I guess it depends on who one conciders just and good in the eye's of god. North Korea bad for sinking a boat but good for Israel for bording a boat and killing people. I think some allies better be looked at closer than some. Israel being one of them as they seem to think they can do no wrong. Thats not right but I find that arrogance in many nations that have the "bomb" so it would have been better for isrealie ships to run over these smaller boats to enforce the blockaid, which as stated in the story egypt backs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #134 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) so it would have been better for isrealie ships to run over these smaller boats to enforce the blockaid, which as stated in the story egypt backs. What was on the manifest? oh and in your country the right to shoot someone in the face is legal when he enters your home uninvited right? The boats could not be run over thats why helicopters were used Edited June 1, 2010 by The Silver Thong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryinrea 201 #135 Posted June 1, 2010 did you read the legality section on the wiki page? im the one whos laughing right now. just because it was in international waters does not make it illegal. Yes the legality section was biased it was Humanization aid ship in other word Illegal Article 1: Definition of "high seas". Article 2: Statement of principles Article 3: Access to the sea for landlocked states Articles 4–7: the concept of a Flag State Article 8: Warships Article 9: Other ships in government service Articles 10–12: Safety, rescue Article 13: Outlawing transport of slaves at sea Articles 14–21: Piracy Article 22: Boarding of merchant ships by warships Article 23: Hot pursuit, that is, pursuit of a vessel across borders for the purposes of law enforcement Articles 24–25: Pollution Articles 26–29: Submarine cables and pipelines Articles 30–37: legal framework, ratification, accession The law of the seas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryinrea 201 #136 Posted June 1, 2010 What was on the manifest? Ship was caring aid too Gaza with Building equipment, food, and children toys. All costume agencies cleared them as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #137 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Ship was caring aid too Gaza with Building equipment, food, and children toys. All costume agencies cleared them as well If thats true then we do indeed have a crime on our hands. Israel's Pm had to leave Canada short in order to handle the spin very quick. Yes I said spin and if that turns people's outlook look at your own government and the spins pulled. Edited June 1, 2010 by The Silver Thong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryinrea 201 #138 Posted June 1, 2010 If thats true then we do indeed have a crime on our hands. The Israel's Pm had to leave Canada short in order to handle the spin very quick. Yes I said spin and if that turns people made look at your own government and the spins pulled. From what I have been hearing this is indeed true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielost 8,881 #139 Posted June 1, 2010 What was on the manifest? oh and in your country the right to shoot someone in the face is legal when he enters your home uninvited right? The boats could not be run over thats why helicopters were used the boats that were boarded couldnt have been. but what about the speed boats that would have been sent out to try and protect these ships if they had come within the 20 mile radius that everyone is screaming about. and if you shoot a police officer in the face for breaking into your house, you know what's going to happen as well as me. in this case, isreal was operating as a police officer with gaza under house arrest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drj312 4 #140 Posted June 1, 2010 Yes the legality section was biased it was Humanization aid ship in other word Illegal Article 1: Definition of "high seas". Article 2: Statement of principles Article 3: Access to the sea for landlocked states Articles 4–7: the concept of a Flag State Article 8: Warships Article 9: Other ships in government service Articles 10–12: Safety, rescue Article 13: Outlawing transport of slaves at sea Articles 14–21: Piracy Article 22: Boarding of merchant ships by warships Article 23: Hot pursuit, that is, pursuit of a vessel across borders for the purposes of law enforcement Articles 24–25: Pollution Articles 26–29: Submarine cables and pipelines Articles 30–37: legal framework, ratification, accession The law of the seas that first link was wonderfully pointless. would you like to point out something in particular in the second that proves me wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #141 Posted June 1, 2010 the boats that were boarded couldnt have been. but what about the speed boats that would have been sent out to try and protect these ships if they had come within the 20 mile radius that everyone is screaming about. and if you shoot a police officer in the face for breaking into your house, you know what's going to happen as well as me. in this case, isreal was operating as a police officer with gaza under house arrest. Ok then, but I thought the second amendment protected you from false arrest and seizure of properties conducted under such action. Hence your second amendment. You have the right to defend yourself and if the police have entered your home illegally you do have the right to fight back right. After all the second amendment was made to protect you from a corupt government was it not? "JERUSALEM, Sept. 21 -- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert resigned Sunday, brought low by a string of corruption probes, while Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni struggled to assemble a coalition that would allow her to succeed him without facing new elections." This does not look good at all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pseudo Intellectual 1 #142 Posted June 1, 2010 Silver, this isn't about America or the Second Amendment. There's no need to derail the thread. And what's the point of the Olmert quote? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #143 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Silver, this isn't about America or the Second Amendment. There's no need to derail the thread. And what's the point of the Olmert quote? I was pointing out the hipocrisy of the aid boat being attacked in intenational waters and equating that to Americas second amendment to have weapons for self defense, you know in order to protect oneself from attack. As far as the Olmert quote I was making reference to just how well democracy in a capitalistic society works when war is ones main income works Edited June 1, 2010 by The Silver Thong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryinrea 201 #144 Posted June 1, 2010 that first link was wonderfully pointless. would you like to point out something in particular in the second that proves me wrong? Do you not understand what International waters mean? Defining the lawA piracy attack is an attack against a vessel that happens in international waters. However, attacks that happen inside territorial waters, which are normally 12 nautical miles from the coast, are deemed as acts of robbery.BBC Story It does matter, if this was done in international law. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #145 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Do you not understand what International waters mean? It does matter, if this was done in international law. It's the same as when George Bush stated that if Iraq wasn't dealt with it could end in a mushroom cloud. Hence he panicked over nothing or better yet did so on purpose. Edited June 1, 2010 by The Silver Thong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pseudo Intellectual 1 #146 Posted June 1, 2010 As far as the Olmert quote I was making reference to just how well democracy in a capitalistic society works when war is ones main income works What? What does that mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drj312 4 #147 Posted June 1, 2010 Do you not understand what International waters mean? It does matter, if this was done in international law. its legal to intervene in international waters if the ship is intending to break a blockade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pseudo Intellectual 1 #148 Posted June 1, 2010 It's the same as when George Bush stated that if Iraq wasn't dealt with it could end in a mushroom cloud. Hence he panicked over nothing or better yet did so on purpose. Again with derailing the thread... Are you obsessed with Iraq, America and Bush? This discussion is about Israel and the flotilla. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silver Thong 4,364 #149 Posted June 1, 2010 What? What does that mean? You asked and I did provide or is Israel not a democracy? "JERUSALEM, Sept. 21 -- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert resigned Sunday, brought low by a string of corruption probes, while Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni struggled to assemble a coalition that would allow her to succeed him without facing new elections." They avoided an election hence the electoral proccess failed. Now I want to know why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pseudo Intellectual 1 #150 Posted June 1, 2010 its legal to intervene in international waters if the ship is intending to break a blockade I wouldn't count on our anti-Israeli friends to comprehend such a simple fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
