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over9millionyearsold

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

This is a challenge set forth by this organization. So far the prize lays unclaimed. Are you the one to prove that the paranormal exists?

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nognome

i could double that reward,nobody will claim it legitamatly

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puridalan

Randi only gives one million, screw that I am going to play the lottery for over 220 million, then I'll fly personally to Randi's crib and laugh at thim.

Then I'll walk away

That is what I've decided, I'll be playing the lottery soon (giggles)

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DarkNova@

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

This is a challenge set forth by this organization. So far the prize lays unclaimed. Are you the one to prove that the paranormal exists?

Too funny, look at the applicants:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=89877

She can make you wet yourself using just her mind!

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Agent. Mulder

Too funny, look at the applicants:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=89877

She can make you wet yourself using just her mind!

i saw the urinating lady on youtube once!

she failed.

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puridalan

I have to admit that is pretty funny, I mean seriously..to claim that, just weird haha

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Cybele

Randi only gives one million, screw that I am going to play the lottery for over 220 million, then I'll fly personally to Randi's crib and laugh at thim.

Then I'll walk away

That is what I've decided, I'll be playing the lottery soon (giggles)

Funny. If psychics existed, the same people would keep winning the lottery over and over again and Vegas casinos would go out of business.

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Vanchatron

Randi only gives one million, screw that I am going to play the lottery for over 220 million, then I'll fly personally to Randi's crib and laugh at thim.

Then I'll walk away

That is what I've decided, I'll be playing the lottery soon (giggles)

I wouldn't, you never know. Personally I believe that if somebody is gifted with certain "powers" (I hate that word but meh) that if they were to abuse those powers (for example, to win the Lottery) then something negative would happen. It could be anything, I'm not necessarily talking about death etc. You could even lose these "powers".

Then again, on another level, I don't think people with these abilities would ever be able to use them for personal gain on a large scale (such as the lottery) otherwise you would have seen a large number of psychic millionaires by now.

I do believe in psychics though, perhaps not in the way the media & movies portray them, but I'm not going to say "THEY DON'T EXIST, 100%, NO NO NO!!!!".

I know you were most likely only kidding anyway, I just figured I'd speak to people in general, I wasn't specifically targeting you ;)

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Evo

I wouldn't, you never know. Personally I believe that if somebody is gifted with certain "powers" (I hate that word but meh) that if they were to abuse those powers (for example, to win the Lottery) then something negative would happen. It could be anything, I'm not necessarily talking about death etc. You could even lose these "powers".

Then again, on another level, I don't think people with these abilities would ever be able to use them for personal gain on a large scale (such as the lottery) otherwise you would have seen a large number of psychic millionaires by now.

I do believe in psychics though, perhaps not in the way the media & movies portray them, but I'm not going to say "THEY DON'T EXIST, 100%, NO NO NO!!!!".

I know you were most likely only kidding anyway, I just figured I'd speak to people in general, I wasn't specifically targeting you ;)

This person is pretty accurate about them ;)

But it doesn't take being psychic to think that.

And, psychic abilities may have scientific explanations. Such as "rain makers", people who use extremely advanced/fast math without really trying in casinos to win, except that the casino will bust those people for cheating.

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Mr Walker

Funny. If psychics existed, the same people would keep winning the lottery over and over again and Vegas casinos would go out of business.

No they wouldnt. Even supposing that a true psychic required/desired any money, they would only use their powers enough to get an unremarkable income. Many psychics suggest that their powers dont work for profit. Others suggest that the gift, indeed, is about helping others not self.

But I made enough (on paper ) to live off, for 4 years, while at university simply by chosing horses using nothing but psychic intuition.

If i use intuition alone to chose lottery numbers, i make a modest profit. If i allow expansion of consciousness/ interaction with the cosmic consciousness, to determine my bets on the pokies, i can make a small fortune eg $2000-3000 in a few minutes. ( I had to stop playing at my local pubs because i was attracting unwanted attention for regular, substantial, wins.)

But i give away almost all of what i earn above my limited needs. Money is, perhaps, the last of the things which i require for a long and happy life.

Psychic abilities fulfil, directly, many other human needs, from survival through to a sense of connection with others, and with the universe. Thus they supercede the need to have money to achieve these things.

As i explained on another post, I never need to travel in the real world. I can travel all round the world through obe-ing That saves me a small fortune. I can have the total tourist experience anywhere anytime without paying a cent. Again, true psychic powers often circumvent the need for a lot of money.

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puridalan

I agree with attracting the wrong kind of attention, there are somethings bigger than money and people pay money for what:protection. Using your intutition is best at remaining 'moderate' otherwise you can get into dilemmas on a granduer scale and run into individuals that will hurt you, I remember not to long ago a man who won the lottery I believe in FL black man that was killed a few days later..some people have to move out after winning the lottery.

So, not all good things come from money and not everything can be bought with money, or rather money can't do it..itself. Ie protection, and a good intutitive will help others, yet at the same time grow a network from those individuals and use their services when need be because said indvidiauls are quote 'in debt' to them.

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Cybele

No they wouldnt. Even supposing that a true psychic required/desired any money, they would only use their powers enough to get an unremarkable income.

Yeah...I don't buy it. If these powers existed and could be controlled, I'm sure there would at least be some people who would strive to use them to obtain great wealth.

Many psychics suggest that their powers dont work for profit. Others suggest that the gift, indeed, is about helping others not self.

When I hear things like this it makes me think that these people are making excuses for their inability to reproduce their supposed feats at will. Why not consistently win millions of dollar through the lottery in order to donate it all to charity?

But I made enough (on paper ) to live off, for 4 years, while at university simply by chosing horses using nothing but psychic intuition.

If i use intuition alone to chose lottery numbers, i make a modest profit. If i allow expansion of consciousness/ interaction with the cosmic consciousness, to determine my bets on the pokies, i can make a small fortune eg $2000-3000 in a few minutes. ( I had to stop playing at my local pubs because i was attracting unwanted attention for regular, substantial, wins.)

Seeing as this thread is about the JREF challenge and you claim to have a long history of psychic abilities, why don't you volunteer for the test? If you're not motivated by the prize, think of the favor you'd be doing the world by exposing the truth.

But i give away almost all of what i earn above my limited needs. Money is, perhaps, the last of the things which i require for a long and happy life.

If you ever experienced real poverty, you would realize how false that statement is.

Psychic abilities fulfil, directly, many other human needs, from survival through to a sense of connection with others, and with the universe. Thus they supercede the need to have money to achieve these things.

It sounds to me like you're describing belief and spirituality.

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puridalan

Actually once the basics are met, studies show that their is not a great improvment among happiness among the rich and the poor, after the basics are met.

On a side not america is one of the most materialistic societies in the world..*cough*

You are entitled to your own beleifs and opinions which I respect.

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Cybele

Actually once the basics are met, studies show that their is not a great improvment among happiness among the rich and the poor, after the basics are met.

My bad. I meant that money is important to cover the basics (hence the reference to "real poverty"). I took that out of context from the rest of Mr Walker's post.

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Mr Walker
name='Cybele' date='04 June 2010 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1275623133' post='3439111']

Yeah...I don't buy it. If these powers existed and could be controlled, I'm sure there would at least be some people who would strive to use them to obtain great wealth.

Yeah, but a person with true "psychic abilities " learns at a very early age to keeep their head down and their mouth shut. It is hard to work on them in isolation and working with others is tricky. In a western society they can get you isolated and feared, and in other societies , killed. You also have a point about control. For me the control is an issue They are random gifts which come as needed. Maybe i couldnt make a fortune out of them. But i fear being rich for many big and small reasons. I work hard to stay poor but happy. :innocent:
When I hear things like this it makes me think that these people are making excuses for their inability to reproduce their supposed feats at will. Why not consistently win millions of dollar through the lottery in order to donate it all to charity?

In the real world do you have any idea what would happen to you if you began to do this(even if you could) I once started a rumour that i had won several million dollars in a lottery by telling one student at school (as a deliberate experimnent in the spread of gosssip i our commuity)

Two hours later after school, when i went to our bank, the bank manager called me in to ask if i'd like to deposit my winnings. Thats how fast word travels. But yes I have already worked out to whom i will donate any money i win from large lotto winnings. After paying off my debts i will give almost all of it away anonymously through nominated proxies as seed money to help women and communities. But i already give a way a lot of our income including winnings on a smaller scale.

Seeing as this thread is about the JREF challenge and you claim to have a long history of psychic abilities, why don't you volunteer for the test? If you're not motivated by the prize, think of the favor you'd be doing the world by exposing the truth.

And just why would that do either myself, or the world, a favour in any way?

I did undergo an online test for remote viewing and scored almost 100% accuracy on describing the contents of a office. But again, it is; random, intermittent, and not often producable on demand. My point is that physically it should NEVER be possible. Even one clear example is physically impossible except through coincidence. A sequence or numnber of accurate "events" also greatly reduces the statistically probability that it can be coincidence.

If you ever experienced real poverty, you would realize how false that statement is
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Rubbish. (sorry i read your later post an we actually agree) Money is the least of our needs. It can provide for basic needs, but beyond that extra money is useless. I clothe myself completely for under $20 from op shops. I have had nothing to eat for days, but water, bread and dripping. No i am not a starving ethiopian, but that is not about money, but a fair and socially just distribution of resources. I have survived, happily and empowered, with nothing but the clothes i stood up in because a caring comunity offered me food shelter clothing and all my basic needs.

We only need money where our society creates a demand that we have and use it. Many societies created healthy happy communities with no money and only a symbolic medium of excahange. Eg cowrie shells or wampum. Money, as such, is a comparitively recent human invention and humans lived successfully without it for millenia.

It sounds to me like you're describing belief and spirituality.

Certainly in the basic sense of the human spirit. The human spirit does not need money. It does need; love, purpose, community, music art and other forms of creativity, a chance for growth , development etc.

If you wish to extend that into "religious" forms of spirituality, I would not argue with that either, but it does not have to take religious form.

All humans have a soul, created through sapient self awareness and the evolution of our minds. We know "good" from "evil", and have the ability to see the consequences of any choice we make. Our minds, our hearts, and the choices we make, grow or shrink our human soul and spirit. The soul is not a religious concept but an intellectal and philosophical one. An immortal soul may be a religious concept.

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aquatus1

So, ultimately, psychic abilities only seem to be developed in people who are willing to earn enough money for themselves, but not for others, who are interested in enough fame to make their names known on the low-down, but not on the national level, and have abilities that seem to follow the same pattern as "Invisible Boy" from Mystery Men ("I can become invisible, but only when no one is looking, not even myself. When you're invisible, you just know."

In short, I find it difficult to distinguish between the requirements to be a psychic and to be a scam artist.

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Mr Walker

So, ultimately, psychic abilities only seem to be developed in people who are willing to earn enough money for themselves, but not for others, who are interested in enough fame to make their names known on the low-down, but not on the national level, and have abilities that seem to follow the same pattern as "Invisible Boy" from Mystery Men ("I can become invisible, but only when no one is looking, not even myself. When you're invisible, you just know."

In short, I find it difficult to distinguish between the requirements to be a psychic and to be a scam artist.

LOL that is actually a pretty logical view, looking at it from outside.

I suspect most psychics dont have the power/abilities to make a lot of money from it. On the other hand, as i argued, a real psychic won't draw attention to them selves for very real ressons.

MAybe there is a connection between psychic ability and spiritual connection to the "world" so psychics tend to be more integrated and have less need/desire for money and more for helping others and fulfilling them selves

Probably there are many reasons. Some of us might be just too damned lazy to work at it. :devil: In my case any abilities in general seem to work only in physical proximity to others(althoughthere are exceptions.) Thus i can clearly demnstrate them to those around me but have difficulty doing so across space/distance. This is not a cop out. I have hundreds of witneses to real"psychic episodes in my life. But if someone on the internet asks me for help i can rarely sense/know anything. I assume somehow i "read the minds " of people close to me.

However, this may not be the case with others. Most abilities seem to come from two abilities which may actually be the same. First an ability to interact with the consciousness of singular individuals EG mind reading. Second the ability to tap into a more universal consciousness. Remote viewing and obe- ing may be elements of this, where we ride the cosmic consciousness to our destination.

I dont know, and even though i have some expereince, i cant feel or judge exactly how it works, even for me. The simplest explaantion for many things is that i just suddenly know them. Just as if they were real events experinces, yet thy have been somehow "implanted" in my mind

Thus i know, in my mind, as if it has already happened, a future event Or i know where an object tha thas been lost or stolen is, as if someone told me where it was. Or i know the combination to a lock as if i had already opened it and remembered it.

I dont see things in visual images while awake. They come as existing knowledge/memories in my head. In my dreams i sometimes have video accurate visions of the future and sometimes more symbolic ones. And sometimes i get direct verbal warnings and instructions from a source i call god, but which a "non religious" person might call the cosmic consciosness. These generally apply only to my personal safety, and may relate to the immediate future or longer term events.

My mother and other female ancestors had a similar abilty, which my mother described as "just knowing things i could not/should not have known" Yet i never knew this until recent years whe my mother and father discussed it with me> they were both in their eighties. DAd accepted this as simply a real ability that mum had always possessed even though he was the most pragmatic and rational man you could meet.

When dad died last year unexpectedly we (my sisters and I) were on the phone to the emergency room which was trying to resuscitate him The doctor in charge said, "You have only a few hours to see your father while he is alive and he will not regain consciousness."

We drove over to mums ( a five minute drive) to tell her the news. We arrived to find her packed, ready to fly to adelaide, and already knowing what had happened. And yet no one had informed her, she just "knew".

As a young child she got up from her school desk and walked the 5 miles home. She "knew" that her younger brother was dying, and she wanted to see him.

This was in the 1920's. There was no way anyone could communicate from the country school house, to the isolated farm house, and yet mum knew, (like me) as if it was already a reality, what was about to happen.

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Gauss

i could double that reward,nobody will claim it legitamatly

You are absolutely right, it will not happen until judgment day arrives!

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Gwynbleidd

I would say I was a sceptic who has somewhat of an open mind. I didn't hold much belief in psychic abilities prior to watching this, let alone afterwards. :rolleyes:Derren Brown Investigates man who speaks to the dead

I think the Amazing Randi should feel rather smug for his reward should be safe for a while longer yet. :lol:

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puridalan

I would not agree that all psychics keep their mouth shut, then their wouldn't be those in the media, granted some of them are fake..but some of them are legit. I would say it depends on the situation, those that are not too much in the media ie mainstream tv a lot, who still do a ton of traveling, and readings for even celebs ect, are pretty good from what I've seen..I've met a few. I wouldn't say they are like OMG look what I can do, but at the same time certainly aren't that shy and are willing to show 'themselves' pretty instanteously. So, all in all I would say that there are indeed very legit (in my own opinion) readers that have drawn a good amount of attention to themselves, but most of them again don't have their own show, thse people choose to be on random shows here and there, but not all too often. So, I would say one it depends on the person, a variety of other factors ie the situation, and the degree of attention.

I also have to disagree with the other person that saying there are only those that can do it randomly, no there are those that have a fairly good control of it and can do things on command when asked.

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archernyc

Those who are skeptics wouldn't believe a psychic, even if the psychic told them something they knew to be true. They would try to rationalize it and wouldn't believe anything psychic had occurred.

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aquatus1

Those who are skeptics wouldn't believe a psychic, even if the psychic told them something they knew to be true. They would try to rationalize it and wouldn't believe anything psychic had occurred.

Something of a useless statement. After all, there are "believers" that would never doubt a psychic, no matter how many times they were proven to be wrong.

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HerNibs

Something of a useless statement. After all, there are "believers" that would never doubt a psychic, no matter how many times they were proven to be wrong.

*Cough*

*cough*

*cough*More Sylvia BS*cough*

*hack* coward *clears throat*

Nibs

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Agent. Mulder

You are absolutely right, it will not happen until judgment day arrives!

im going to entertain than 'idea', and ask why?

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