[Archived]Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood

[Abramelin]

Cormac's Link:

The Umm al Binni Structures and Bronze Age Catastrophes by Duane W. Hamacher

Also see threats 1126 to 1129

The OLB does not say anything about lands submerging or a flood in 1200 BC. In fact, the OLB is silent for about 600 years which made me think that something very bad must have happened because this coincided with the "Greek Dark Ages".

I believe we are talking about two seperate events here but I would like to suggest that the 2200 BC event was the bigger of the two. (i.e "Noah's Flood")

The OLB recorded another event in 305 BC which I suspect was the "Cimbrian Flood". All three of them appear to have been caused by cosmic impacts.

The 305 BC flood coincided with a suspected impact in the North Atlantic that was dated to ca 300 BC by Dallas Abbott et al. (see my reference to the "Manhattan Tsunami" in my book.)

These three disasters happen to have occured 1000 years apart.

I know you mean 'posts', not 'threats', lol. I don't think Cormac was threatening you with whatever he posted, but maybe it was nothing but a good old Freudian slip of the tongue...

The Cimbrian flood occured somewhere in the second century BC, according to Strabo.

Juergen Spanuth said it occurred around 1200 BC, and Overwijn overdid them all: according to him it was around 6100 BC, the time Doggerland got flushed by the Storegga Slide.

Overwijn has my respect, he is one of the two translators of the OLB, and he just cooked up that date (in 1941), 6100 BC, a date that was not known untill very recently (btw, he never agreed with the OLB date of 2193 BC).

Back to what you said, Alewyn, if lands submerged around 1200 BC, wherever, the OLB would have told us about it.

But they didn't.

[cormac mac airt]

Actually, when I said it would fit in better into the OLB than many other things we found, is because wht I quoted from that site about Medinet Habu echoes what supposedly happened around 2193 BC according to the OLB.

The quote talks about cities, peoples and lands disappearing beneath the waves.

And when I posted this, I forgot to add that it may have been one source of inspiration for Juergen Spanuth's "Atlantis in the North".

Does the OLB talk about land(s) submerging around 1200 BC?

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EDIT:

This is what I found just now:

Studying numerous earth cores taken by hand augers [Me: huh??] and power drills, I had discovered that parts of the lower town of Tiryns, one of the Greek citadels from the era of the Trojan War, had been buried under several meters of mud deposited by a flash flood that had occurred around 1200 BC. This catastrophe coincided with an earthquake, for which evidence was found in the archeological record of the Tiryns citadel. Both of these events occurred shortly after 1200 BC, precisely at the time when the Mycenaean civilization suddenly collapsed.http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/199503/who.were.the.sea.people..htm

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EDIT:

What is that link Cormac posted?? He posted a lot of links, but I assume you know which one.

Cormac?

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Here, Abramelin:

The Umm al Binni Structure and Bronze Age Catastrophes by Duane W. Hamacher

Notice at the bottom of the very first page, it says:

Due to its location within the gulf, there were no major cities within a 95 km (59 miles) radius of the impact. Therefore, the most severely destructive effects occurring within 95 km (59 miles) likely would have been dispersed in the gulf or relatively sparsely populated north-east gulf shorelines.

I'm not sure what constitutes a "major city" in Mr. Hamacher's opinion. Be that as it may, the two cities that can be found within 95 km are to the west and northwest of Umm al Binni. Kuara continued to exist, unimpeded, until the middle of the first millenium BC. Lagash went on to become one of the largest, if not THE largest cities in the world from c.2075 BC to 2030 BC. Also apparently unimpeded by this alleged impactor.

Edit to add: The red lines extend out to the 95 km (59 mile) mark.

Edited September 8, 2010 by cormac mac airt

[Abramelin]

Here, Abramelin:

The Umm al Binni Structure and Bronze Age Catastrophes by Duane W. Hamacher

Notice at the bottom of the very first page, it says:

I'm not sure what constitutes a "major city" in Mr. Hamacher's opinion. Be that as it may, the two cities that can be found within 95 km are to the west and northwest of Umm al Binni. Kuara continued to exist, unimpeded, until the middle of the first millenium BC. Lagash went on to become one of the largest, if not THE largest cities in the world from c.2075 BC to 2030 BC. Also apparently unimpeded by this alleged impactor.

Edit to add: The red lines extend out to the 95 km (59 mile) mark.

Ok, thanks very much, Cormac.

It appears to have happened in the Persian Gulf region.

I will read it all, believe me.

[The Puzzler]

Abe, check these ones out while you are there, the 3, dated maybe 2000BC if craters are on the Dead Sea.

http://gsanctuary.com/3craters.html

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[TheSearcher]

I have to go on the 4.2 kiloyear effect and the accompanying Bond Event and no meteor or comet hitting Earth. The effect is a pattern too, so at certain times, it might have co-incided with another 1,500 year event in the sky. This may have caused flooding in snow capped mountains amking rivers run larger and flooding plains and such as the mention of famine and dryness, aridity seems to be the main climate changes.

The Ipuwer Papyrus http://mrkeith.org/linkipuwer.htm I'd say is describing the Exodus events, it even seems to refer to a Lord God figure so don't think the mentions of the extreme weather were at the Flood.

That does make the most sense and the dates are fitting better than a theoretical impact, of which the age is guess work at best as it hasn't been examined on site yet. Besides, the 4.2 kiloyear, which actually is the bond event of that cycle, is a global event that would account for most of the things happen at that point.

An impact in itself is catastrophic yes, but only on a local scale, if Umm Al Bimmi turns out to be an actual impact crater, because of the reduced size you would need to create a crater like it, the math around it is sound.

[Abramelin]

Abe, check these ones out while you are there, the 3, dated maybe 2000BC if craters are on the Dead Sea.

http://gsanctuary.com/3craters.html

I think if there is a candidate impactor, then it's proto-Encke; it appears to be all over the internet in connection with what happened in the Middle East in the 4d and 3d millenium BC :

Here's something by someone who abviously read the OLB:

In 3113 BC, the comet, known as Proto-Encke, collided with asteroids in the asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars, resulting in the Taurid meteors widely associated with the Bronze Age. As this comet then passed near to the earth it caused massive geological and climatological influences, including destroying an estimated half of the infrastructure of Atlantis. In 2193 BC, the comet Proto-Encke, converging with the comets Oljato and Hale-Bopp, again passed the earth and caused global seismic disturbances, enormous tsunamis and massive socio-cultural changes. In 1628 BC, Proto-Encke and Oljato returned again, causing further destruction. Finally, in 1198 BC, Proto-Encke and Oljato were pushed closer to the earth by Halley's Comet; Proto-Encke entered the planet's atmosphere and then impacted in the general region of the island of Atlantis. The towering volcano of Mt. Atlas exploded and Atlantis sank beneath the waves. To read more about these matters, consult the books by Frank Joseph, The Destruction of Atlantis, and Survivors of Atlantis.

http://www.newparadigmjournal.com/Sept2006/sacred-geography.htm

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1997CeMDA..69..149A

http://www.springerlink.com/content/g252683h4q15838g/

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc060897.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/comet_bronzeage_011113-1.html

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Napier thinks multiple impacts, and possibly a rain of other smaller meteors and dust, would have been required. He and his colleagues have been arguing since 1982 that such events are possible. And, he says, it might have happened right around the time the first urban civilizations were crumbling.

Napier thinks a comet called Encke, discovered in 1786, is the remnant of a larger comet that broke apart 5,000 years ago. Large chunks and vast clouds of smaller debris were cast into space. Napier said it's possible that Earth ran through that material during the Early Bronze Age.

The night sky would have been lit up for years by a fireworks-like display of comet fragments and dust vaporizing upon impact with Earth's atmosphere. The Sun would have struggled to shine through the debris. Napier has tied the possible event to a cooling of the climate, measured in tree rings, that ran from 2354-2345 B.C.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/comet_bronzeage_011113-1.html

http://accidentofhistory.blogspot.com/2008/09/impact-event-in-3114bc-beginning-of.html

http://www.amazon.ca/Cosmic-Winter-Victor-Clube/dp/0631169539

[Otharus]

Don't you think it is somewhat strange that it's the Frisians themselves who are convinced the Oera Linda Book is a hoax, and that only non-Frisians (and non-Dutch) believe it's real?

This is not correct. There are Frisians and Dutch who believe it is real, but most of them wisely stay silent, because there is a long tradition of fanatically ridiculing anyone who even dares to take the OLB seriously.

I am a Westfrisian and have read the whole manuscript in the original language. With my modest knowledge of various languages (dutch, english, german, swedish, old-greek, latin as well as the westfrisian dialect) this was not very difficult.

Also, I have studied the works of the 'official' specialist Dr. G.Th. Jensma, who claims it was made up in the 19th century. He has convinced me of one thing; that his aproach is biassed. He has not scientifically proved his thesis. In my perception it is a conspiracy theory.

My own conclusion is, that the manuscript is way too complex to have been made up as a joke by a few intellectuals in the 19th century. I will read the whole tread too (as well as Alewyn's book), but could not leave this untruth uncommented for now.

[Otharus]

My doubts are caused by the really silly etymology of the OLB

This is a point also used several times by Jensma.

But then again, many Dutch people tend to think of the Flemmish and Afrikaans language as "silly".

For Frisians and Hollanders some of the 'OLB' (may I coin the term Fryish?) words may seem modern, because they remind them of recently (re-) adopted words from other languages, but this can be explained by the fact that 'Fryish' left its traces in many other old languages, including Latin and old-Greek.

An example often used (e.g. by dr.Jensma) is "BEDRUM", translated by him as 'sleepchamber' (slaapkamer).

BEDEN means to ask, pray, offer (Dutch: bidden, bieden);

RUM means space or room (Dutch: ruim, ruimte).

The modern word "bed" can hereby be explained.

[Alewyn]

This is not correct. There are Frisians and Dutch who believe it is real, but most of them wisely stay silent, because there is a long tradition of fanatically ridiculing anyone who even dares to take the OLB seriously.

I am a Westfrisian and have read the whole manuscript in the original language. With my modest knowledge of various languages (dutch, english, german, swedish, old-greek, latin as well as the westfrisian dialect) this was not very difficult.

Also, I have studied the works of the 'official' specialist Dr. G.Th. Jensma, who claims it was made up in the 19th century. He has convinced me of one thing; that his aproach is biassed. He has not scientifically proved his thesis. In my perception it is a conspiracy theory.

My own conclusion is, that the manuscript is way too complex to have been made up as a joke by a few intellectuals in the 19th century. I will read the whole tread too (as well as Alewyn's book), but could not leave this untruth uncommented for now.

Welcome Otharus,

I for one, am very happy to welcome somebody to this thread who seems to be well informed on the subject. I am looking forward to your unbiased views. I support your conclusion (obviously) that the OLB is much too complex to have been made up as a hoax or joke.

My apologies, that should read tread, I believe.

Edited September 22, 2010 by Alewyn

[The Puzzler]

This is not correct. There are Frisians and Dutch who believe it is real, but most of them wisely stay silent, because there is a long tradition of fanatically ridiculing anyone who even dares to take the OLB seriously.

I am a Westfrisian and have read the whole manuscript in the original language. With my modest knowledge of various languages (dutch, english, german, swedish, old-greek, latin as well as the westfrisian dialect) this was not very difficult.

Also, I have studied the works of the 'official' specialist Dr. G.Th. Jensma, who claims it was made up in the 19th century. He has convinced me of one thing; that his aproach is biassed. He has not scientifically proved his thesis. In my perception it is a conspiracy theory.

My own conclusion is, that the manuscript is way too complex to have been made up as a joke by a few intellectuals in the 19th century. I will read the whole tread too (as well as Alewyn's book), but could not leave this untruth uncommented for now.

[Abramelin]

This is not correct. There are Frisians and Dutch who believe it is real, but most of them wisely stay silent, because there is a long tradition of fanatically ridiculing anyone who even dares to take the OLB seriously.

I am a Westfrisian and have read the whole manuscript in the original language. With my modest knowledge of various languages (dutch, english, german, swedish, old-greek, latin as well as the westfrisian dialect) this was not very difficult.

Also, I have studied the works of the 'official' specialist Dr. G.Th. Jensma, who claims it was made up in the 19th century. He has convinced me of one thing; that his aproach is biassed. He has not scientifically proved his thesis. In my perception it is a conspiracy theory.

My own conclusion is, that the manuscript is way too complex to have been made up as a joke by a few intellectuals in the 19th century. I will read the whole tread too (as well as Alewyn's book), but could not leave this untruth uncommented for now.

Yes, there are those who studied the OLB and still believe in it, Dutch and Frisians, but they are a very small minority. If you go to YouTube, enter "Oera Linda", you will get videos by some Dutch guy who believes it's all true and who talks a lot about the Oera Linda Book. I have posted his videos in this thread.

And btw, it isn't only Jensma who has tried to prove it is a fabulation, there were many before him, and right from after the first publication of the OLB.

You say the manuscript is way too complex to have been made up (who said it was a 'joke'??). Well, as a comparison, read the books written by Tolkien about Middle Earth, and see how complex a made up history can be. And that was just by one author.

[Otharus]

Yes, there are those who studied the OLB and still believe in it, Dutch and Frisians, but they are a very small minority.

Did anyone do a survey? Do you have statistics?

If you go to YouTube, enter "Oera Linda", you will get videos by some Dutch guy who believes it's all true and who talks a lot about the Oera Linda Book.

Does he say anything that makes sense?

And btw, it isn't only Jensma who has tried to prove it is a fabulation, there were many before him, and right from after the first publication of the OLB.

Indeed there were A FEW (not many) scholars who have TRIED that.

Beckering Vickers was the first, but was not convincing (or he would have been the last).

Have you asked your skeptic self whether these scholars might have had a political agenda?

Having a scientific background myself, I know but too well how 'scientific' researchers:

1) react when their paradigm is challenged, and

2) get paid to serve politics or business.

You say the manuscript is way too complex to have been made up. Well, as a comparison, read the books written by Tolkien about Middle Earth, and see how complex a made up history can be. And that was just by one author.

In my opinion, this is like comparing apples to oranges.

Besides, Tolkien was a known author, who got credited for his works.

I studied Jensma's theory in detail.

It's really not more than that; a (conspiracy) theory.

That many people accept it, is because (my hypothesis):

1) they are too lazy to even read his book, or

2) they think OLB is too good to be true.

[Abramelin]

-1- Did anyone do a survey? Do you have statistics?

-2- Does he say anything that makes sense?

Indeed there were A FEW (not many) scholars who have TRIED that.

Beckering Vickers was the first, but was not convincing (or he would have been the last).

-3- Have you asked your skeptic self whether these scholars might have had a political agenda?

-4- Having a scientific background myself, I know but too well how 'scientific' researchers:

1) react when their paradigm is challenged, and

2) get paid to serve politics or business.

-5- In my opinion, this is like comparing apples to oranges.

Besides, Tolkien was a known author, who got credited for his works.

-6- I studied Jensma's theory in detail.

It's really not more than that; a (conspiracy) theory.

That many people accept it, is because (my hypothesis):

1) they are too lazy to even read his book, or

2) they think OLB is too good to be true.

-1- Of course I don't have statistics, but during the past months I visited forums about Friesland and there only a few members or 'guests' (Frisian and Dutch) who think the OLB is a true account of ancient history.

-2- Well, check for yourself. Is it you, maybe??

-3- Have you asked your skeptic self if the ones who wrote it had?

-5- Apples and oranges?? The only difference is that we know that Tolkien created fiction.

Btw, I had planned to amswer you post point by point, but I think it's better that I wait till you read the whole thread.

[Abramelin]

Lol, I asked, "Is it you, maybe??"

Well, looking at the name of this member of YouTube, your username here, and your true name (yep, I Googled), it appears to be you, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQyWQ7zSjes

Btw, that book about the OLB by Jensma is (partially) available online (as a "googlebook"), but it's a neck twister.

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EDIT:

I forgot to ask you (for I am almost certain it is you in the video) : did you get an answer from Jensma at the question you asked him at the end of your video??

Another thing.. I asked Alewyn here to get into contact with jensma, and he did.

He even got a reply from Jensma, and from what I understand - even though Jensma's conclusion is that the OLB is a fabulation - is that Jensma was very much impressed by the manuscript.

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Edited September 23, 2010 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Alewyn,

You once sent me a private message in which you admitted you had been wrong.

It's about the Aster Sea.

You assumed the Aster Sea was the Black Sea, but I proved to you it was nothing but the `East Sea`. or the Baltic Sea in English.

And the Middel Sea was nothing but a branch of the North Sea dividing Friesland in half during the middle ages.

The Middel Sea was NOT the Mediterannean.

You told me in private that what I said would be even more proof of the earth getting tilted by a comet impact......

You think that the Mediterannean/Middle Sea of the west (Friesland area) was in the south before that impact, and the Aster Sea was in the east...... but the Middle Sea was located in the direction of the sunset (evening), the west.

The word ´west´ wasn´t used in the OLB. A word for ´evening´ was used.

No translation error for ´west´ whatsoever. According to my knowledge ´evening´ stands for ´west´.

NOT south.

It´s English tranlations that said ´west´, but that´s not what the OLB said. And they were right, evening/sunset happens in the west.

If you are right, the earth´s axis tilted 90 degrees.

Give me geological proof of that, please.

[Alewyn]

Alewyn,

You once sent me a private message in which you admitted you had been wrong.

It's about the Aster Sea.

You assumed the Aster Sea was the Black Sea, but I proved to you it was nothing but the `East Sea`. or the Baltic Sea in English.

And the Middel Sea was nothing but a branch of the North Sea dividing Friesland in half during the middle ages.

The Middel Sea was NOT the Mediterannean.

You told me in private that what I said would be even more proof of the earth getting tilted by a comet impact......

You think that the Mediterannean/Middle Sea of the west (Friesland area) was in the south before that impact, and the Aster Sea was in the east...... but the Middle Sea was located in the direction of the sunset (evening), the west.

The word ´west´ wasn´t used in the OLB. A word for ´evening´ was used.

No translation error for ´west´ whatsoever. According to my knowledge ´evening´ stands for ´west´.

NOT south.

It´s English tranlations that said ´west´, but that´s not what the OLB said. And they were right, evening/sunset happens in the west.

If you are right, the earth´s axis tilted 90 degrees.

Give me geological proof of that, please.

I would like to make sure that there is no misunderstanding here. You convinced me that the OLB's Aster Sea is the Baltic Sea and not the Black Sea as I thought - nothing more, nothing less.

As for the Middle Sea: If you read the OLB from start to finish, you will see that there is no doubt that the Middle Sea is the Mediteranean. Your claim that you have "proven" something else is therefore simply not correct. I recall that you even tried to prove that places mentioned in the OLB such as Egypt, Greece, etc were local places in the Netherlands. At the time I did not even consider your argument serious enough to respond to. The OLB is very clear about these matters.

As for the cosmic impact: I stand by my theory that the 2200 BC (Bond) event was caused by cosmic impacts (plural). I speculated that the Burckle asteroid was one of the impacts and I agree that we do not have sufficient evidence to prove that the Burckle impact was in fact one of those. You have my book and you will see that I said "one of many". In one of your recent posts you mentioned Proto-Encke. I checked it out and found that this further strengtens my theory.

I may just add here that this tilt may not have happened in an instant, but rather over a period of, say, 3 years. One may speculate that as the earth intersected the converging trajectories of Proto-Encke, Hale Bopp and others, the asteroid or meteorite cloud bombarded earth, tectonic plates moved, volcanoes erupted, massive tsunamis were created and the polar caps broken up. This "dominoe" or "snowball" effect increasingly disturbed earth's mass balance and over a period of months or perhaps, as I said, three years, the earth adjusted and settled on its new rotation axis.

The OLB and some ancient Egyptian and Akkadian scribes mentioned that the sky was overcast. This is exactly what you would find if multiple asteroids would be exploding in earths upper atmosphere. Combine this with resulting widespread bush and grassland fires and erupting volcanoes, most of the meteorite or asteroid activities would have been obscured to anyone on the earth's surface.

As for the tilt, I have never said that the earth tilted 90 degrees. You have my book and if you look at the figure in question, you will see that the tilt was approximately 23 to 25 degrees. In our "private" conversation I told you that the Aster Sea being the Baltic strenghtens my argument about the tilt. It does not mean that the Aster sea was exactly East or the Mediteranean was exactly West. It all depends on the location, or perharps, the approximate or relative location of the observer. Today we would say "south-west" and "north east". In the olden days they said "in the direction of". Those were not absolute compass readings.

I appreciate that you would like to see yourself as a "skeptic" but I would also like to urge you not to sacrifice your objectivity in the process by concentrating on one or two "questionable" statements in my book and ignoring the rest. That would be, as we say, "throwing out the baby with the bath water".

My "speculation" as to what caused the 2193 BC event should not detract from the fact that something big did in fact happen. Anyone disputing this is realy in denial and arguing against his or her own better judgement. It should also not detract from the overwhelming evidence in the rest of my book that the OLB is authentic.

[Abramelin]

Yes Alewyn, it was indeed about the Aster Sea. I didn't want to give anyone the impression that I managed to comnvince you the Middel Sea was not the Med.

The Middel Sea is located in the direction of the evening (west is not mentioned), and the Aster Sea is located in the direction of the morning (east is not mentioned).

If the Middel Sea is indeed the Mediterannean (now in the south, but back then in the west) and the Aster Sea is indeed the Baltic (now north of Frya's Land but back then in the east), then the earth must have tilted between 45 and 90 degrees. My idea - I am not a geologist - is that only a huge impact far north or south of the equator could have caused that, an impact by something the size of a small moon.

The Burckle Impact in the 3d millennium BC would very probably be far too minor, and even the proto-Encke event.

These both could explain things like earthquakes, tsunamis. fires and floodings, but not cause the earth's axis to tilt 45-90 degrees, or even your 23 to 25 degrees.

And if a swarm of huge comets had impacted into the south of the Indian Ocean, would the seafloor not resemble Swiss cheese?

You are not the only one, btw, who is certain the Middel Sea is the Mediterannean, even those before you who never thought of a tilt of the earth's axis around 2200 BC. Your explanation would be to most logical, but most others just assumed the Middel Sea is the Mediterannean based on Ottema's interpretation (later translated into English by Sandbach) and on the events and peoples described in the OLB.

I have found out things as this thread went along, like that the names of several peoples and places in the OLB could be names of very local peoples and villages.

And what did you think about my explanation of "Twiskland"? You wrote in your book that is was located in Russia, but even Tacitus would not have agreed with you... Tacitus is the one who mentions an important god of the Germanic tribes: Tuisco. And Otharus is someone who lives close to the West Frisian "Twisk"....

Alewyn, I am not being skeptic just for the hell of it, it's things like these that make me have serious doubts.

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In fact there are 2 topics here in this thread: the OLB, and your interpretation of the OLB.

Because my mind is still quite occupied by other things in my life, I have read only a couple of chapters of your book, and leafed through the rest; somehow it's kind of hard for me to focus on reading a book these days. Despite my skepsis, I do like the layout of your book and your style of writing; it's certainly no waste of anyone's time to read your book.

To be honest, I am quite curious about Otharus' opinion of what's been posted in this thread about the OLB (he read Jensma's book about the OLB), and his opinion about your book.

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Edited September 24, 2010 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

Good thing it was a PRIVATE message...

[Abramelin]

Good thing it was a PRIVATE message...

Well, what I posted here from that pm didn't appear to me to be that personal...

[cormac mac airt]

These both could explain things like earthquakes, tsunamis. fires and floodings, but not cause the earth's axis to tilt 45-90 degrees, or even your 23 to 25 degrees.

Hello Abramelin,

Professor Steven Dutch, from the University of Wisconsin at Green Bay would agree with you, it appears.

An impact big enough to have even a tiny effect on the Earth's orbit or rotation would almost certainly destroy all life on Earth as well.

Changing the Earth's Axis or Orbit

cormac

[Abramelin]

Hello Abramelin,

Professor Steven Dutch, from the University of Wisconsin at Green Bay would agree with you, it appears.

Changing the Earth's Axis or Orbit

cormac

How could I NOT agree with a guy whose surname is "Dutch", lol.

Thanks.

[Abramelin]

This is a point also used several times by Jensma.

But then again, many Dutch people tend to think of the Flemmish and Afrikaans language as "silly".

For Frisians and Hollanders some of the 'OLB' (may I coin the term Fryish?) words may seem modern, because they remind them of recently (re-) adopted words from other languages, but this can be explained by the fact that 'Fryish' left its traces in many other old languages, including Latin and old-Greek.

An example often used (e.g. by dr.Jensma) is "BEDRUM", translated by him as 'sleepchamber' (slaapkamer).

BEDEN means to ask, pray, offer (Dutch: bidden, bieden);

RUM means space or room (Dutch: ruim, ruimte).

The modern word "bed" can hereby be explained.

This is not about what we may feel about how other languages sound in our ears, this is about word derivations/etymology.

Although I will agree with Jensma's opinion about the OLB being a complex and praisable work of art, the way words and names are being explained/derived in the OLB is nothing but hilarious.

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Edited September 24, 2010 by Abramelin

[Alewyn]

Hello Abramelin,

Professor Steven Dutch, from the University of Wisconsin at Green Bay would agree with you, it appears.

Changing the Earth's Axis or Orbit

cormac

This is very convincing and blows my "Tilt Theory" totally out of the water. Thank you for that.

I guess we shall just have to search for a better understanding of the 2193 BC event.

[Abramelin]

Alewyn,

You know I once posted a link to Overwijn's (1941/1951) book about the OLB. Later you tried to download it, but failed.

I think that after I posted the link to the pdf containing his book, the one who put it online took it again offline.

The pdf is 2,85 MB, and if you like I can send it to you through email.

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About Overwijn and the OLB:

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http://www.oeralindaboek.nl/pdf/KalmaOLBbibl.pdf

607 Overwijn. J.P., - Eenige opmerkingen omtrent het 'Oera Linda boek'. - Westfriesch Jaarboek 1940,

serie I, deel 3, pp. 12-23.

608 Wumkes. D.A., - De tragi-comedie van het Oera-Linda-Bok. - Morks Magazijn 1940, Jan.-Maart, pp.

20-35, 95-100, 152-158.

609 Verslag van 'n vergadering van het Ned.Volkskundig Genootschap (lezing van J.F. Overwijn over het

O.L.B.). - Leeuw. Crt. 1940, 22 Oct.

610 De oorsprong van het Friesche volk. Stammen de gegevens van het Oera Linda Bok uit betrouwbare

bron? (lezing van J.F. Overwijn). - Utrechtsch Nieuwsbl. 1940, 24 Oct.

1941

611 Heyting. August, - Het Wapen-Over de Linden en het O.L.B. - Ons Eigen Volk II, 1941, pp. 140-143.

*612 Heyting. August, - Het geheim van het O.L.B. Een merkwaardig handschrift. Uitgave onder

begunstiging van de Kelto-Germaanse Studiekring 'Yggdrasil'. Trifosreeks. - Den Haag. Uitg. Trifos,

Groot-Hertoginnelaan 81, 1941, 55 pp. 4° gestenc.

613 Overwijn. J.F., - De strekking van het O.L.B. Onze voorvaderen: de West-Friezen van Doggerland

(Verslag van twee lezingen voor het genootschap 'Yggdrasil'). - Het Vaderland 1941, 25 Maart en 10

Apr.

*614 Overwijn. J.F., - Thàt Ura Linda Bok, Opnieuw bewerkt en uitgegeven door --. - Enkhuizen, N.V.

Enkhuizer Courant v.h. D.C. Egmond, 1941, LVII, 189, XXIV pp. 8° (get. Dordrecht, Aug. 1941). vgl

[nr. *635].

624 Overwijn, J.F., - Merkwaardige namen en plaatsen in het O.L.B. - Ons Eigen Volk III, 1943, pp. 262-

271.

*635 Overwijn. J.F., - Thät Wra Linda Bok door -- tweede druk, verbeterd en vermeerderd. - Dordrecht,

Chefferd drukkerij (1951), 207, 173, 104, 10 pp. 8° (Inleiding 2de druk get. Dordrecht Jan. 1951) Vgl

[nr. *614].

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Now read the highlighted part...it says, "Our forefathers, the West Frisians from Doggerland".

It has been suggested that several years ago the Brittish scientists B. Coles and/or V. Gaffney invented that name, "Doggerland", based on the Dogger Bank in the North Sea. Well, the above proves Overwijn already used that name in 1941...

I didn't know it was Overwijn who used that name back then; in his book he only mentions the Dogger Bank.

Makes one think about why the scientists I mentioned were so interested in the ancient North Sea... Nowhere does it say they did NOT invent the name, or even that they read it in 'some old book'.

In case you didn't know, it is this Overwijn who also had a theory about the tilt of the earth's axis in his book about the OLB, but he places the event much further back in time, and he never got tired of saying the date, 2193 BC, was wrong.

However, I must add that his ideas about the OLB are heavily influenced by the writings of Blavatsky and Velikovsky.

What intrigues me personally, is that Overwijn places the destruction of Aldland (and acccording to him it was the dry North Sea bed,"Doggerland") in 6250 BC. Only recently that date was more accurately known, based on radiocarbon dating, to be 6100 BC. As far as I know they didn't even know about radiocarbon dating in 1951 (second edition of Overwijn's book). Overwijn calls the event the "Cimbrian Flood", although Strabo placed it in the 3d or 2d century BC.

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Edited September 25, 2010 by Abramelin