[Archived]Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood

[Abramelin]

Great!

Thanks a lot.

Man, that's fast !

You're welcome.

[Abramelin]

LYDA - Hludana - Lada - Leto - Leda....

Encyclopedia of Russian and Slavic myth and legend - Mike Dixon-Kennedy

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[Knul]

The 3 Earth goddesses Frya, Lyda and Finda are nothing but mythological beings responsible for creating or representing Europeans, Africans and Asians.

And that implies the Nordics (or Europeans) must have known these other peoples, Asians and Africans and either took over a name from these Asians and Africans, or assigned one of their gods to either of these peoples to explain their existence.

Btw, I did link LYDA to a nordish goddess: HLUDANA which in my eyes could have been an abbreviation of HLUDA-ANA (the "Loud One" or "Well-disposed One" or "Merciful One). And I found a Lithuanian goddess: Lada (Lado) – the "Great Goddess".

And is FINDA the female form of FINN?

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Snorri Sturluson mentions e.g. the Ganges. So they knew the area. If Finda is formed from Finn, I dont know. Could be.

[Abramelin]

Snorri Sturluson mentions e.g. the Ganges. So they knew the area. If Finda is formed from Finn, I dont know. Could be.

Yeah, he wrote the Edda in the 13th century and by then the Vikings had sailed far and wide.

And they did find Buddha statues in Sweden, but those could have ended up there by trade alone.

http://www.strangehistory.net/2010/08/20/the-buddha-in-viking-sweden/

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[Otharus]

In this book, on page 2-3 of "Van Vroonen" (or 273-274 of 755 in the PDF), a fragment about "Attelantida" (Atlantis in a spelling that does not yet exist on the web, as far I could find with Google).

"Sodanig een History en Lant-beschryvers belydenisse behoort te wesen, (als gesegt is) want wy hier inne niet na en 'volgen de luyden (hoewel van groote geleertheyd) die werk gesocht hebben, omme te beschryven een Utopia, als den verstandigen Thomas Mores, eertyts Cancelier van Engeland, ofte van 't Eylant Attelantida, daar den Jesuit en nauw doorsnuffelende Josephus Acosta van verhaalt, het welke eenige hondert mylen groot, ontrent de barbarische kusten gelegen hadde, en in de grooten Oceaan, die ongrondelyk diep is, verdronken soude zyn, 't gene met reden men Nergens Land noemen mocht: ofte en volgen ook niet den voortreffeyken werelt wysen Plato, om te verhalen van een Stad, die noyt te vinden heeft geweest, hoewel datter een sulken Stad in des Aardryks ront wel behoorde, ofte hadde mogen zyn. Want, het gene hier verhandelt sal worden, is van een Stad ofte Vestinge, die haar wesen heeft gehad in der waarheyd, hare handelinge en doen in erusthaftigheyd, haar voorspoet in Scheepvaart en Koophandel, haar bloey en 't vallen in den verderffelyken Oorlog."

As requested:

[Abramelin]

As requested:

Oh yes, "Attelantida".

Sounds a lot like the Spanish "Atlántida" : http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atl%C3%A1ntida

Maybe influenced by the Spaniards who occupied the Netherlands centuries ago?

And maybe with a Frisian 'twist' because 'atte' is Frisian for 'father'?

Hmmm... I know 'atte' means father, but I don't know which dialect it is from. I know my own father, who was from the southern province of Brabant, used that word.

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

Oh yes, "Attelantida".

Sounds a lot like the Spanish "Atlántida" : http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atl%C3%A1ntida

Maybe influenced by the Spaniards who occupied the Netherlands centuries ago?

And maybe with a Frisian 'twist' because 'atte' is Frisian for 'father'?

Hmmm... I know 'atte' means father, but I don't know which dialect it is from. I know my own father, who was from the southern province of Brabant, used that word.

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Atte/Attje is Sami (maybe). I was just going to post some stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radien-attje

[Abramelin]

I have also tried to find something about a god(dess) with a name similar to the OLB FINDA, but nothing up tp now.

OK, first the description in the OLB of this FINDA:

Finda was yellow, and her hair was like the mane of a horse. She could not bend a tree, but where Lyda killed one lion she killed ten.

Finda was seductive. Her voice was sweeter than any bird’s. Her eyes were alluring and enticing, but whoever looked upon them became her slave.

Finda was unreasonable. She wrote thousands of laws, but she never obeyed one. She despised the frankness of the good, and gave herself up to flatterers.

That was her misfortune. Her head was too full, but her heart was too vain. She loved nobody but herself, and she wished that all should love her.

False Finda! Honey-sweet were her words, bat those who trusted them found sorrow at hand.

Selfish Finda! She wished to rule everybody, and her sons were like her. They made their sisters serve them, and they slew each other for the mastery.

Treacherous Finda! One wrong word would irritate her, and the cruellest deeds did not affect her. If she saw a lizard swallow a spider, she shuddered; but if she saw her children kill a Frisian, her bosom swelled with pleasure.

Unfortunate Finda! She died in the bloom of her age, and the mode of her death is unknown.

Hypocritical children! Her corpse was buried under a costly stone, pompous inscriptions were written on it (!!!), and loud lamentations were heard at it, but in private not a tear was shed.

Despicable people! The laws that Finda established were written on golden tables, but the object for which they were made was never attained. The good laws were abolished, and selfishness instituted bad ones in their place. O Finda! then the earth overflowed with blood, and your children were mown down like grass. Yes, Finda! those were the fruits of your vanity. Look down from your watch-star and weep.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/

We have been over this before - FINDA being related to 'to find' or 'fiend' (enemy) - and I will repost it and then add something new:

The 'to find' connection only seems obvious because 'find' looks almost the same as FINDA, but that's all:

find-a 40, afries., st. V. (3a): nhd. finden, antreffen, Urteil finden, Recht finden,

weisen, erfinden; ne. find (V.), decide, invent; Vw.: s. bi-*, for-th-*, *in-, under-,

ur-bek-, *ðt-; Hw.: s. fund-e-nisse; vgl. got. finþan*, an. finna, ae. findan, anfrk.

findan, as. findan, ahd. findan; Q.: S, W, R, E, H, Jur; E.: germ. *fenþan, *finþan,

st. V., gehen?, finden; idg. *pent-, V., treten, gehen, Pokorny 808; W.: nfries.

fynne, V., finden; L.: Hh 27b, Rh 740b

http://www.koeblergerhard.de/germanistischewoerterbuecher/altfriesischeswoerterbuch/afries-F.pdf

fiend

O.E. feond "enemy, foe," originally prp. of feogan "to hate," from P.Gmc. *fijæjan (cf. O.Fris. fiand "enemy," O.S. fiond, M.D. viant, Du. vijand "enemy," O.N. fjandi, O.H.G. fiant, Goth. fijands), from PIE base *pe(i)- "to blame, revile" (cf. Goth. faian "to blame;" see passion). As spelling suggests, it was originally the opposite of friend, but the word began to be used in O.E. for "Satan" (as the "enemy of mankind"), which shifted its sense to "diabolical person" (early 13c.).

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=fiend&searchmode=none

http://www.etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/vijand

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/gotol-3-X.html

And now this:

offend

early 14c., "to sin against (someone)," from M.Fr. offendre, from L. offendere "strike against, stumble, commit a fault, displease," from ob "against" + fendere "to strike" (found only in compounds). Meaning "to violate (a law), to make a moral false step, to commit a crime" is from late 14c. Meaning "to wound the feelings" is from late 14c. The literal sense of "to attack, assail" is attested from late 14c.; this has been lost in Modern English, but is preserved in offense and offensive.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=offend&searchmode=none

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/offend

It almost looks as though someone created an evil goddess with the name FINDA by combining 2 words: fiend and offend.

[Abramelin]

Atte/Attje is Sami (maybe). I was just going to post some stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radien-attje

Of one thing I am very sure: my father was not a Sami, lol.

[Abramelin]

Recently Alewyn said something about Frya dying and ascending to her 'watchstar', after which Fasta took over and so on.

I found out both Frya and Finda ascended to their 'watchstars', but not Lyda.

Just saying because this could be a clue.

Despicable people! The laws that Finda established were written on golden tables, but the object for which they were made was never attained. The good laws were abolished, and selfishness instituted bad ones in their place. O Finda! then the earth overflowed with blood, and your children were mown down like grass. Yes, Finda! those were the fruits of your vanity. Look down from your watch-star and weep.

Exalted Frya! When she had thus spoken the earth shook like the sea of Wr-alda. The ground of Flyland sank beneath her feet, the air was dimmed by tears, and when they looked for their mother she was already risen to her watch star; then at length thunder burst from the clouds, and the lightning wrote upon the firmament “Watch!”

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/

[The Puzzler]

fiend

O.E. feond "enemy, foe," originally prp. of feogan "to hate," from P.Gmc. *fijæjan (cf. O.Fris. fiand "enemy,"

This, as fianda - seems likely to be Finda and offend probably stems from this word too.

So late for me, so little time but so much interesting stuff, I will be sure to check it over asap.

[Otharus]

My Westfrisian aunt (who likes to speak in the old dialect) calls people from India (or otherwise having a more brown skincolor) Pinda's.

(P is etymologically close to F?)

[Abramelin]

My Westfrisian aunt (who likes to speak in the old dialect) calls people from India (or otherwise having a more brown skincolor) Pinda's.

(P is etymologically close to F?)

Hmmmmm.... lol.

That was an old (the 1950s?) nickname for Chinese or Indonesian people who sold 'pinda's' (= peanuts) on the streets ("Pinda ! Pinda Lekka! Lekka !").

It's offensive to use that word; it's similar to the socalled N- word in America.

(Btw: I have Indonesians in my family, and dated a lot more, heh)

But it would be hilarious if that was the origin of the name of FINDA !

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Frya and Finda both ascended to their 'watchstars' after they died.

What is a 'watchstar'? Although I know a thing or two about astrology, I never heard of that one before.

Well, from what I found it appears to mean "comet":

"Watchstar" by Pamela Sargent:

http://books.google.nl/books?id=JiK9bIfOuCwC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=watchstar+comet&source=bl&ots=tV0VaEqcnD&sig=CvLbDgLiHX-uYimXWwJ8bSEtUtE&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=Q2zrTpeuI8ik-gbNtZXUCQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

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EDIT:

It's interesting to note that Alewyn's book is about a comet impacting into the Indian Ocean (Burckle Crater) causing all the disasters as described in the OLB, while the OLB itself uses comets or 'watchstars' as places where two of the earth mothers ascended to...

You'd think that if they knew of that comet Alewyn is talking about, then they wouldn't use that image for some 'heavenly abode'.

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[Otharus]

Brainwave

- A word for king in OLB is FORST (Dutch: vorst, German: Fürst), it means "most in front" or "first" (Dutch: voorst)

- The Dutch word "vooraanstaand" means "prominent", literally "standing-in-front".

- One of the most important cities of Westfriesland (until it was destroyed ca. 1300 AD) was Vroonen or Vronen.

- In OLB, a prominent burg in Westflyland was FORANA. All translaters assume that Vronen was ment.

- Verwijs suggested that Vronen is derived from FRAN (sacred, pious; Dutch: vroom).

- I think it makes sense that Franeker and France (and Verona?) are derived from the same word.

=> Did FORANA change into FRANA?

Was "vroom" originally "vooraan"?

[Abramelin]

Brainwave

- A word for king in OLB is FORST (Dutch: vorst, German: Fürst), it means "most in front" or "first" (Dutch: voorst)

- The Dutch word "vooraanstaand" means "prominent", literally "standing-in-front".

- One of the most important cities of Westfriesland (until it was destroyed ca. 1300 AD) was Vroonen or Vronen.

- In OLB, a prominent burg in Westflyland was FORANA. All translaters assume that Vronen was ment.

- Verwijs suggested that Vronen is derived from FRAN (sacred, pious; Dutch: vroom).

- I think it makes sense that Franeker and France (and Verona?) are derived from the same word.

=> Did FORANA change into FRANA?

Was "vroom" originally "vooraan"?

Your etymology for "vorst" appears to be ok: http://www.etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/vorst1

However, Vronen, according the oldest known reference from 1083, was called "Vranla".

http://www.oneindignoordholland.nl/#!/verhalen/Vronen_een_omstreden_gebied

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[Otharus]

However, Vronen, according the oldest known reference from 1083, was called "Vranla".

Vranla = Vroon-loo; Vroner bos (forest of Vronen)

Edited December 16, 2011 by Otharus

[Abramelin]

Vranla = Vroon-loo; Vroner bos (forest of Vronen)

The link says "Het Koninklijke Bos" = "The Royal Forest".

"Vorstelijk Bos"? "Voornaam Bos"?

[Abramelin]

I'm splitting my head over these "watchstars" (Dutch "waak-sterren").

Everytime I search for it (and combining it with either comet or meteor), I end up at that book by Pamela Sargent.

Also the Dutch "waak-sterren" result in nothing.

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I'm thinking I'm on the wrong track....

From the OLB:

NOW I WILL WRITE MYSELF, FIRST ABOUT MY CITADEL, AND THEN ABOUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE.

My city lies near the north end of the Liudgaarde. The tower has six sides, and is ninety feet high, flat-roofed, with a small house upon it out of which they look at the stars.

Why were they watching the stars? For determining the equinoxes, festivals, eclypses, and so on?

Or was it some form of astrology?

Next question: were an Over de Linden, a Verwijs or a Halbertsma interested in astrology?

I was, between 30 and 20 years ago years ago... ... and I am thinking "Fixed Stars".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behenian_fixed_stars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_in_astrology

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

I hope I am not going to far offtopic, but one of these 'fixed stars' had an interesting name:

The name Wega[10] (later Vega) comes from a loose transliteration of the Arabic word wāqi‘ meaning "falling" or "landing", via the phrase an-nasr al-wāqi‘ "the alighting vulture". The term "Al Nesr al Waki" appeared in the Al Achsasi Al Mouakket star catalogue and was translated into Latin as "Vulture Cadens".[80][note 6] The constellation was represented as a vulture in ancient Egypt,[81] and as an eagle or vulture in ancient India.[82][83] The Arabic name then appeared in the western world in the Alfonsine Tables,[10] which were drawn up between 1215 and 1270 by order of Alfonso X.[84]

Vega (α Lyr, α Lyrae, Alpha Lyrae) is the brightest star in the constellation Lyra, the fifth brightest star in the night sky and the second brightest star in the northern celestial hemisphere, after Arcturus. It is a relatively close star at only 25 light-years from Earth, and, together with Arcturus and Sirius, one of the most luminous stars in the Sun's neighborhood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega

Wāqi-star??

The next one is nice too:

Arctures:

The name of the star derives from Ancient Greek Αρκτοῦρος (Arktouros) and means "Guardian of the Bear",[9] ultimately from ἄρκτος (arktos), "bear"[10] + οὖρος (ouros), "watcher, guardian".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcturus

"Waak-ster" (OLB) is being translated as 'watchstar', but 'waken' = 'to be awake', but also 'to guard' or 'to watch out'. Dutch 'wake' (waah-keh) means 'vigil'.

Some will remember what I posted about LYDA/HLUDA-ANA:

On the other hand, from the northern Germanic mythology, we know of a goddess name Hlodyn ("little dog"), the mother of the great god Thor. Hlodyn is sometimes called Jordar Burr, a name that suggests a connection to Mother Earth.

Sirius was called Canicula, "little dog."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius

(So maybe Lyda had her own 'watchstar' after all)

Cheers.

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

A bit extra offtopic, but I think you will find the next interesting anyway (I hope):

Wralda, the one, omnipotent and 'invisible god'

Lyda, Finda, Frya: 3 earth mothers created from Irtha (earth) by Wralda

Each of these earth mothers brought forth 12 sons and daughters, 12 'couples'.

These are the 36 (3x12) decans of a horsocope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decans

http://ib205.tripod.com/decans.html

Lyda:

The Cardinal Signs: take action. They charge right in and get the job done (or fall flat on their face, depending on the situation). If there is no crisis for them to take care of, they have been known to create one just to have something to do.

(Aries - Cancer - Libra - Capricorn)

Finda:

The Fixed Signs: like stability. Cardinal Signs like to Run things. Fixed Signs want to Own things. They want to be the boss

(Taurus - Leo - Scorpio - Aquarius)

Frya:

The Mutable Signs: are communicators. Cardinal signs take action. Fixed signs develop what the cardinal signs start, and Mutable Signs talk about what the other signs are doing. Actually, if it weren’t for the Mutable Signs, the other two types would probably kill each other. Mutables are Adaptable and usually willing to compromise. They are People Oriented and not usually inclined to step on someone else’s toes.

(Gemini - Virgo - Sagittarius - Pisces)

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheSigns.htm

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From the OLB:

Lukigoste Frya. Alsa tha staera om jrtha omswyrmia swirmadon hjara baern om hja.

Ge-lukkigste Frya. Als de sterren om aarde omzwermen, zwermden haar kinderen/(ge)borenen om haar.

Sandbach:

Most happy Frya! Like the starry host in the firmament, her children clustered around her.

A better English translation:

Happiest Frya. As the stars swarm/cluster around earth, her children swarmed/clustered around her.

What 'starry host' is Sandbach talking about, anyway?

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EDIT:

I forgot to mention that "Cancer" was the sign Ptolemy and much later Charles E. O. Carter assigned to northern Africa, LYDA's homeland, and 'Cancer' is one of the 'cardinal signs'.

And Sirius, maybe LYDA's 'watchstar' was a very if not the most important star for those living in ancient 'Libya' (Egypt).

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Edited December 16, 2011 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

Yes, it is interesting and what I've been leaning towards I think myself. Sirius may be Lyda. I was doing some thinking and drawing last night of the stars etc, because it started when I checked out Wralda some more, as Waralden Olmai/Radien-Attje.

This is Wralda and it also says it was an epithet for Freyr. Freyr is Wralda. I had all this on notebook last night, I'll add it anyway. Just sift through it.

I recalled the Akka had 3 daughters or something so went to check him out some more, what's interesting is he could be Freyr.

Waralden Olmai, also known as Maylmen Olmai, Radien-attje, Jubmel or Vearalden Olmai, was a major Sami god. Sami people come from Sápmi, or modern day Finland, Sweden, and Norway. These ancient Nordic people were polytheistic and "Waralden Olmai" was their "world-god". Waralden Olmai is also an epithet for the Germanic Freyr. Today Waralden Olmai is a mythologic figure in Nordic countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waralden_Olmai

Freyr which is said to mean Lord.

Wralda, Freyr and maybe Hermes, the Athenian form with the immense phallus, like Frikko.

They all have a -r sound for the beginning - the Germanic form of Fr might be Frau - meaning Lord. (Frikki = Frau Ukko??) Anyway...

Lord is Freyr. The world God.

So, we know he existed in the Gods realm, could be Freyr. This is Wralda.

I know I have gone on about this before but imo it's important, as you say, to trace exactly where this myth may have stemmed and what relation it also might have concerning Christianity, because of the mention of Frya and Jessos being very alike - Jesus birth seems like a return of the Son to me, a signal came in the form of a star to the 'wise men' and they interpreted it as a new Son of God (King) would be born. This is celestial. A star that does return and leave is the Pole Star, the return of the Pole Star in the form of Polaris would not have gone unnoticed by the Magi.

Radien-attje, Jubmel, Vearalden Olmai or Waralden Olmai is the superior or celestial deity of the Sami is called Jubmel or Ibmel, a parallel to the Finnish Jumala (God).

The superior deity is the ruler of the Cosmos. In his honour, the Sami erected a sacrificial pole every autumn, symbolizing the world-pillar, which was considered as a connection the World to the firmament. The pillar reached from the centre of the Earth to the fix point on the firmament - the Pole star. The superior deity was also the “giver of life” and was considered the god of fertility.

Radien-attje is often portrayed as the main figure in a Trinity, which besides him, consists by the Raedieahkka or Radien-akka (Maadteraahka, the superior mother) and their son Radien-pardne. There are critics who claim, that this Trinity is a consequence of the meeting with the Christian religion, and that it is a match to the God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. If this is the case, it is interesting, that the Sami have replaced the Holy Spirit with a wife. In some versions the heavenly family also include the daughter Rana Niejta. As superior deity, Radien-attje is more of an intellectual superior, as his son, Radien-pardne, performs the practical things.

This is God, that's why Wralda sounds so much like God in the OLB. He is the one God, a monotheistic one too imo, the only one, the creator of everything else.

Above, again, I say this is the true form of the Trinity. God, the Son and the Holy Spirit/Wife/Mother. The Sami couple had twins, a girl and boy - this may reflect earlier times, such as Lyda - Leto - having twins - Apollo and Artemis - the way they slaughtered Niobe's children gives an idea of how nasty they could be, that action reminds me of Lyda. Leto was in Egypt too.

So, Wralda is God/Freya - he has a wife - the Sami, in autumn erected a pole to the Firmament, that is the Pole Star - he was also a God of fertility, hence his 'immense phallus' in his form as Frikko/Freyr. Probably Hermes too - who came into Greece with the Athenians, as Pelasgians.

The OLB gives Wralda conceiving with Irtha to create Frya, Lyda and Finda.

Jumala is the sky God - that is what Wralda is - a sky God - he's not the Earth (Irtha) nor the Pole Star (Son) or the Sun - he's the sky God - ruler of the Universe.

Finnish: Jumala or Estonian: Jumal or Mari: Jumo [1] means "god" in Finnic languages and Volga-Finnic languages, both the Christian God and any other deity of any religion. The word is thought to have been the name of a sky god of the ancient Finnic-speaking peoples. Jumala as a "god of the sky" is associated with the related Estonian Jumal, Mari Jumo, Udmurt Inmar, Komi Jen, Nenets Num, and Bjarmian Jomali and is thought to stem from an ancient Uralic "god of the sky" tradition.[2][3]

The name was borrowed from Baltic languages (cf. Jumis — Latvian god of fertility, one of the Divine twins). This name replaced the aboriginal Finno-Ugric word for "heaven" (*ilme), which is preserved in the Permian languages and Finnic Ilmarinen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumala

Ancient Uralic God of the Sky tradition - like Zeus - the ruler of the sky. A grandson of Wralda. Rains of the summer thunderstorms.

Akka is traditionally a female spirit in Sámi and Finnish mythology.

In Sámi mythology, the first akka was Maderakka and her daughters were Sarakka, Uksakka and Juksakka. Some Sámi thought they lived under their kota tents.

Worship of akka was common, and took the form of sacrifices, pleas for help and various rituals. Sarakka was thought to be especially helpful for pregnant women, and after a birth, a woman would eat a special porridge dedicated to her.

Yambe-Akka or Jabme-akka is a Sami goddess of the underworld. Her name means 'The Old Woman of the Dead'. Spirits of lost babies are soothed and comforted by her, but all other spirits dwell in sorrow. The land of the dead is said to be a mirror of the land of the living where everything is the opposite. So, the dead are buried with the essentials of living (e.g. knives) and anything that would make their afterlife better.

In Finnish mythology, Akka is the wife of Ukko, and she is the goddess of fertility. As they make love, thunder rolls. She could be seen as the female side of nature, maaemonen, the "mother earth" whom Ukko fertilizes. In Estonian mythology she is known as Maan-Eno.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akka_(Spirit)

As wife of Ukko (Frikko/ Freyr) - she is also mother to 3 daughters, nothing like the OLB names but still - it should be this line that equates to it.

As Mother Earth she could equate to Irtha. The Akka is the Earth spirit - that's the Mother.

The Sky + the Earth made 3 daughters.

From the Lith. Gods list - Praamžius, an epithet of God.

Zius... = God (Should equate to Jumala/Wralda) - sky God.

Perkunas, the Thunder, a son of God ("dievaitis") (Parjanya in Hinduism).

Lada (Lado) – the great goddess, Rasos festival is dedicated to her Big Midsummer Festival for her - might be Lyda.

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I think it is all celestial and that the answers can be found there.

For the sign of Wralda itself - I think it might be the Pole Star surrounded in a circle, when the Pole Star falls, you are just left with the circle, the Pole Star imo is the son of the Sun. Think about the movement of the Sun around the Earth, as they thought, the Pole Star is a central point, the motion is a circle going around a star.

A new Pole Star bought in a new Son, hence when Polaris was coming, Jesus was born.

NOW, I'll add to your new posts.

[The Puzzler]

Vega is the most important and brightest Pole Star their was, when it fell from it's position it would have really had an impact, they say the knowledge of sailing could have been lost, with no star to follow. Thuban is in Draco and then their was Twin Pole stars - then Polaris came along. The fall and rise of these Sons imo is the core to much - including Phaethon and Jesus, Apollo and Artemis. At certain times the Mother will birth children, the children are the Pole Stars. Look at your number 8 on your keyboard, that is a true asterisk, 6 spokes, not 8. That is the sign the Sami used as the Pole Star.

Decans you say? Yes. Probably also coincides with Plato's ten sons, 5 pair of twins.

The Decans (Egyptian bakiu) are 36 groups of stars (small constellations) which rise consecutively on the horizon throughout each earth rotation. The rising of each decan marked the beginning of a new decanal "hour" (Greek hōra) of the night for the ancient Egyptians, and they were used as a sidereal star clock beginning by at least the 9th or 10th Dynasty (ca 2100 BCE.)

Because a new decan also appears heliacally every ten days (that is, every ten days, a new decanic star group reappears in the eastern sky at dawn right before the Sun rises, after a period of being obscured by the Sun's light), the ancient Greeks called them dekanoi (pl. of dekanos) or "tenths" (and when the concept of decans reached northern India, they were called drekkana in Sanskrit.) These predictable heliacal re-appearances by the decans were eventually used by the Egyptians to mark the divisions of their annual solar calendar. Thus the heliacal rising of Sirius marked the annual flooding of the Nile.

Eventually this system led to a system of 12 daytime hours and 12 nighttime hours, varying in length according to the season. Later, a system of 24 "equinoctial" hours was used.[1]

After astrology was introduced to Egypt, various systems attributing astrological significance to decans arose. Decans were connected, for example, with various diseases and with the timing for the engraving of talismans for curing them;[2] with decanic "faces" (or "phases"), a system where three decans are assigned to each zodiacal sign, each covering 10° of the zodiac, and each ruled by a planetary ruler (see below); and correlated with astrological signs.[3]

Decans continued to be used throughout the Renaissance in astrology and in magic, but modern astrologers almost entirely ignore them.

360 degrees = 36 lots of 10 degrees.

I'm not sure where you are getting 12 from though - they are set into 10's. The 12 could come from the signs themself - as you have 3 sets of 4 signs - each 4 signs could be a Goddess you think?

Very possible. As Sirius is first , Lyda is first in the birthing list. - This is our earliest history.

Wr-alda, who alone is eternal and good, made the beginning. Then commenced time. Time wrought all things, even the earth. The earth bore grass, herbs, and trees, all useful and all noxious animals. All that is good and useful she brought forth by day, and all that is bad and injurious by night.

After the twelfth Juulfeest she brought forth three maidens:—

Lyda out of fierce heat.

Finda out of strong heat.

Frya out of moderate heat.

The sequence of these star patterns began with Sothis/Sirius, and each decan contained a set of stars and corresponding divinities. As measures of time, the rising and setting of decans marked 'hours' and groups of 10 days which comprised an Egyptian year.

There were 36 [4] decans (36 X 10 = 360 days). plus 5 added days to compose the 365 days of a solar based year. Decans measure sidereal time and the solar year is 6 hours longer; the Sothic and solar years in the Egyptian calendar realign every 1460 years. Decans represented on coffins from later dynasties (such as King Seti I) compared with earlier decan images demonstrate the Sothic-solar shift.

Notice that rulerships follow a repeating pattern, the so-called "Chaldaean" order of the planets: Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon. This planetary order, in which the Sun stands at the center of the continuum, with the planets between the Sun and the Earth on one side and the outer planets on the other side, reflected the perception of the speed of each planet's motion as seen from the Earth.

Interesting, need more time to absorb it all.

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Each Goddess could be 10 days - equalling 1 month. 30 days. x 12 children = 1 year (complete rondeel).

Note also, the rising of each decan marked a new HOUR for the Egyptians - this could be referenced in the OLB by talking about how a sailors hour is different to the hour she is speaking about.

Edited December 17, 2011 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

Freya is often connected to Venus, what's Finda though? Maybe Betelguese, as a yellow star it could be.

Betelgeuse and its red coloration have been noted since antiquity; the classical astronomer Ptolemy described its color as ὑπόκιρρος (hypókirros), a term which was later described by a translator of Ulugh Beg's Zij-i Sultani as rubedo, Latin for "ruddiness".[12][13] In contrast, the historical record of Chinese astronomers during the first century BC mention Betelgeuse as having a yellow color.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse

Here she is in Orion:

Venus/Frya would be white, Sirius/Lyda might be seen as blue or black, as the Dog often is seen as black, bringing heat and Betelgeuse/Finda (in Orion) would be yellow all these bright stars should at some point be in the sky at the same time, as Orion follows Sirius in.

Edited December 17, 2011 by The Puzzler

[Knul]

I think, this is the best way to show the believers (Alewyn, Otharus), that the basis 2193 BC for their flood theory does not make sense. The year 2193 BC is mentioned in the Friesche (Volks) Almanak. Other almanaks like the Hinlooper almanak (year 1679) make use of another year: 2326 BC. It makes also clear, that the OLB has been written between 1836 and 1852 (or later), in which years the Friesche Almanak with this type information was published. In later issues of the Friesche Volksalmanak this information has been omitted. If the OLB would have been written before 1836 as is claimed by Otharus it would have followed the oldest almanak, the Hinlooper almanak: 2326 BC.

Source: J.H. Halbertsma, Hulde aan Gysbert Japicx II, p.194. PDF available.

Edited December 17, 2011 by Knul