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Yes, you typed it 'clearly'..hmm. You are here for years, and you now you suddenly forgot how to post a clickable link.

"heathen" as in heath bush?? That's what i said, "heather".

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I have a book on the etymology of the Dutch language. Do you?

I can't get the pdf file in a clickable link - I just copy pasted the address from the Google search list, as when I clicked it it asked me to open save file etc and so I opened it and can read it but not I can't copy and paste any webpage address like I would for a webpage...I don't have time to play pretend.

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OK, I think it's time for a drink around here...calm down time, sorry if I caused any offence, didn't mean it. :innocent:

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Oh really?

at the end of my sight/ horizon = einder

Heather = heide

heathen = heiden

nearby = heinde, from 'at hand', 'bij de hand' (old meaning, nowadays it means 'bijdehand' or 'smarta**'). We Dutch still have a saying, "van heinde en verre". literal meaning, "from nearby and far away"

I didn't even read your pdf file, but just from the name I gather it's a Belgium guy. I think it's an idiot or deaf and blind. 'Van op de heide' has nothing to do with 'heathen'. Buy a goddamn Dutch-English dictionary.

And I NEVER said "heathen" means God, either you are drunk or nuts.

Don't worry, I speak Dutch for 53 years, I also had to learn Old Dutch at highschool to read boring ancient novels.

I wonder, did you ever talk to Australian Aboriginees, or did you throw your computer at them, telling them you knew their language better than they did?

You are unbelievable.

Oy!!! no picking on us Belgians. The dutch we learn in school is the same as yours, so knock it off. This said, the etymology of the word "heinde" is slightly different in Flemish yes. Flemish being an offshoot dialect of old Dutch is not helping at all.

The fact that Puzzler is unable to make that difference is not surprising, as she speaks neither and for her it's just the same language. This said, in pure Dutch, at the time (and not the Flemish dialect), Abe's analysis stands, it's correct. "heinde" means close - near - ..., or something to that effect.

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So, it seems native Dutch do actually use the word heinde to describe the heathen.

Puz,

I appreciate things have got a little heated, but if I could quite calmly point out that you are mistaking two very different words for the same word?

heinde = nearby

heide = heather

You will note the latter is missing an 'n'. They are two different words. While I have trusted Abe's definition of heide it is irrelevant whther you use the definition 'heather' or 'heathen', because it is not the same word as heinde.

Okay?

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hello there!

I've been browsing unexplained mysteries and came across alien experiments, prehistoric pyramid nuclear wars (huh???) and some weird greekish gods, but this topic seemed a bit more probable and plausible. i've tried researching the gene mapping thing but i got crossed eyed after a while. would appreciate some help in this area

i also went to alwyn's website and bought the book from amazon (pity he didn't post the whole thing - would have saved the wait). was a good read though, really enjoyed it. (i'll have to go through it maybe a 2nd and a 3rd time though). There's one part that I really enjoyed about how atland could have sunk. i think he'll also p*** of a couple of greeks and jews. hahaha. But seriously if he's right and 2193 bc is the magic number then things are going to change.

i'm now halfway through the oera linda book and then i'll come back here and rescan all the arguments before i make up my mind.

just wanted to thank all the experts out there! keep up the good work and remember....

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE (unless the pyramid guys are right and it's between the legs of the sphinx! :P )

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Off all that, I think some of the info makes perfect sense, so like I said even if it is written the history in it may well be true, I bought up something before, the Red connection between the Phoenicians and the people of the Baltic. The Phoenicians said as soon as they arrived in Tyre they did 2 things, set up a temple to Heracles (Thor) and start trading. Seems their own story has them arriving and not being derived from local canaanites, I do think however, it was a small lot of people and once in Canaan and employed locals, they mixed quickly and became pretty much Canaanites themselves.

One of the writers in the OLB is Konered, We have Eric the Red, Ethelred, the red hair of the Celts, all this red.

Where do the Phoenicians say they are from - the Red Sea. Could be the Indian Ocean, Erythraean Sea and the Red Sea doesn't seem to be called that in the day of Herodotus so some have said near Cadiz, from the land of Erythrea, Erythraean Sea, or could it even be Red Sea, another Red Sea, the Sea of the Reds.

I've heard of Thor called Red Thor before too.

The Teunis people plant a red flag Teunis planted a red flag on the shore,

Couldn't find a Red Sea anywhere but thought the name of Thor sounding like the word for Punic, it could be a connection to the Punic Phoencians being a Thor based people. Thor is Zeus in this form.

Thor (Old Norse: Þōrr, Þunarr; Icelandic: Þór; Old English: Þunor, Þūr; Old Saxon: Þunær;[1] Frisian: Tonger, Old Dutch: Donar; Old High German: Donar; Proto-Germanic: *Thunaraz) is the red-haired and bearded[2][3] god of thunder in Germanic mythology and Germanic paganism, and its subsets: Norse paganism, Anglo-Saxon paganism and Continental Germanic paganism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor

Thor is a form of:

In Celtic mythology Taranis was the god of thunder worshipped in Hispania and mentioned, along with Esus and Toutatis, by the Roman poet Lucan in his epic poem Pharsalia as a Celtic deity to whom sacrificial offerings were made.[1] He was associated, as was the cyclops Brontes (‘thunder’) in Greek mythology, with the wheel and may have received human sacrifices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taranis

There was also Tyr:

Tyr (pronounced /ˈtɪər/;[1] Old Norse: Týr [tyːr]) is the god of single combat, victory and heroic glory in Norse mythology, portrayed as a one-handed man. Corresponding names in other Germanic languages are Gothic Teiws, Old English Tīw and Old High German Ziu, all from Proto-Germanic *Tîwaz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BDr

Maybe even an Isis connection:

There is sketchy evidence of a consort, in German named Zisa: Tacitus mentions one Germanic tribe who worshipped "Isis", and Jacob Grimm pointed to Cisa/Zisa, the patroness of Augsburg, in this connection. The name Zisa could be derived from Ziu etymologically

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Also the Pillars are probably representative of dolmen stones, 2 of them could relate to the twin Gods theme found in the Nordic Bronze Age.

Just some thoughts.

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hello there!

I've been browsing unexplained mysteries and came across alien experiments, prehistoric pyramid nuclear wars (huh???) and some weird greekish gods, but this topic seemed a bit more probable and plausible. i've tried researching the gene mapping thing but i got crossed eyed after a while. would appreciate some help in this area

i also went to alwyn's website and bought the book from amazon (pity he didn't post the whole thing - would have saved the wait). was a good read though, really enjoyed it. (i'll have to go through it maybe a 2nd and a 3rd time though). There's one part that I really enjoyed about how atland could have sunk. i think he'll also p*** of a couple of greeks and jews. hahaha. But seriously if he's right and 2193 bc is the magic number then things are going to change.

i'm now halfway through the oera linda book and then i'll come back here and rescan all the arguments before i make up my mind.

just wanted to thank all the experts out there! keep up the good work and remember....

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE (unless the pyramid guys are right and it's between the legs of the sphinx! :P )

Hi and thanks for joining in this thread! I have a copy of Alewyn's book coming too, I look forward to the read, I don't agree with everything but will see what he's got to say.

Glad you are taking the time to read it and come back and take our posts into consideration, thanks!

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LOL, I am not picking on Belgiums, Searcher, but I think we here in The Netherlands have more Frisian words than your Flamish.

Now you here, Searcher, when surfing the web to find stuff for this thread, I found something about a Belgium guy, Delahaye, who tried to prove half of The Netherlands didn't even exist from 0 -1000 AD, lol! (google Delahaye/transgressies/Nederland ).

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Btw, I have the 1951 edition of Overwijn's book (1st edition 1941), and it's more than 400 pages, and lots of hand-drawn pictures.

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Uhm, Puzz, "Konered" is nothing more than Conrad or similar, it had nothing to do with the color of his hair or face.

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One of the writers in the OLB is Konered, We have Eric the Red, Ethelred, the red hair of the Celts, all this red.

Where do the Phoenicians say they are from - the Red Sea. Could be the Indian Ocean, Erythraean Sea and the Red Sea doesn't seem to be called that in the day of Herodotus so some have said near Cadiz, from the land of Erythrea, Erythraean Sea, or could it even be Red Sea, another Red Sea, the Sea of the Reds.

I've heard of Thor called Red Thor before too.

The Teunis people plant a red flag Teunis planted a red flag on the shore,

Couldn't find a Red Sea anywhere but thought the name of Thor sounding like the word for Punic, it could be a connection to the Punic Phoencians being a Thor based people. Thor is Zeus in this form.

Thor (Old Norse: Þōrr, Þunarr; Icelandic: Þór; Old English: Þunor, Þūr; Old Saxon: Þunær;[1] Frisian: Tonger, Old Dutch: Donar; Old High German: Donar; Proto-Germanic: *Thunaraz) is the red-haired and bearded[2][3] god of thunder in Germanic mythology and Germanic paganism, and its subsets: Norse paganism, Anglo-Saxon paganism and Continental Germanic paganism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor

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Konerêd, is the name of one of the alleged writers, yes, but honestly taking part of his name because it corresponds to the English word "red" is a bit too far fetched. Trying to connect it to anything red that you come across even more far fetched.

Puzz, you usually have some sense of logic in your posts, but this just feels like trying too hard, no offense meant.

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Puz,

I appreciate things have got a little heated, but if I could quite calmly point out that you are mistaking two very different words for the same word?

heinde = nearby

heide = heather

You will note the latter is missing an 'n'. They are two different words. While I have trusted Abe's definition of heide it is irrelevant whther you use the definition 'heather' or 'heathen', because it is not the same word as heinde.

Okay?

Well....

Let's have a closer look here, went to a bit of trouble and found some translations here to look at.

Abe confused me (us) when he used the word in a same way but it is from different parts.

Look closely:

they went all about from the heathenish Krekaland to the Alps

Nêan an stede fon hja to bihluda gvngon hja

allerwêikes, êk to tha heinde Krêkalana til tha Alpa ut to

kêthane ,

Keen , in plaats van haar te beschimpen gingen zij

allerwegen , ook naar het heinde Krekaland tot aan de Alpen uit-

roepen :

HEINDE when the word heathenish is used.

then:

Ten years after Jon went away, there arrived three ships in the Flymeer; the people cried Huzza! (What a blessing!) and from their accounts the mother had this written.When Jon reached the Mediterranean Sea, the reports of the Gauls had preceded him, so that on the nearest Italian coast he was nowhere safe.

10 jêr after Jon wêi brit was, kêinon hyr thrju skêpain-t

Flymar falla, that iolk hrip ho-n-sêjen, fon hira tallinga heth

thju Moder thit skrywa lèten. Tha Jon antha Middelsê kèm

was then mara thêra Gola hin vral far ut gvngen, alsa hian

thêri kad ton tha hêinda Krêkalanda narne fèlich nêre.

Toen Jon in de Middellandsche zee kwam, was de mare

van de Golen hem overal vooruitgegaan , zoodat hij aan de

kusten van het naastbijzijnde Krekaland (Italië) nergens veilig

was.

HEINDA when nearest is meant.

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LOL, I am not picking on Belgiums, Searcher, but I think we here in The Netherlands have more Frisian words than your Flamish.

Now you here, Searcher, when surfing the web to find stuff for this thread, I found something about a Belgium guy, Delahaye, who tried to prove half of The Netherlands didn't even exist from 0 -1000 AD, lol! (google Delahaye/transgressies/Nederland ).

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Btw, I have the 1951 edition of Overwijn's book (1st edition 1941), and it's more than 400 pages, and lots of hand-drawn pictures.

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Uhm, Puzz, "Konered" is nothing more than Conrad or similar, it had nothing to do with the color of his hair or face.

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Erm Abe, I hate to contradict you, but Albert Delahaye was Dutch.

He was born in Klimmen (Limburg), 18 oktober 1915, died in Breda, 19 januari 1987. He was adjunct-archivist in Nijmegen from 1946-1957 and was Director of the "Archivariaat Nassau Brabant", till 1980 when he retired.

Sorry, but not a Belgian, but Dutch bred and born mate. :P

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Konerêd, is the name of one of the alleged writers, yes, but honestly taking part of his name because it corresponds to the English word "red" is a bit too far fetched. Trying to connect it to anything red that you come across even more far fetched.

Puzz, you usually have some sense of logic in your posts, but this just feels like trying too hard, no offense meant.

OK, lol, cross Konered off.

Just thoughts.

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Erm Abe, I hate to contradict you, but Albert Delahaye was Dutch.

He was born in Klimmen (Limburg), 18 oktober 1915, died in Breda, 19 januari 1987. He was adjunct-archivist in Nijmegen from 1946-1957 and was Director of the "Archivariaat Nassau Brabant", till 1980 when he retired.

Sorry, but not a Belgian, but Dutch bred and born mate. :P

Yeah, I am getting dizzy from all that Oera Boera Linda stuff; actually I meant Joël Vandemaele. He and Delahaye were mentioned in one article.

Delehaye wanted to prove that most of the history of The Netherlands between 0 and 1000 AD didn't even take place there, but more to the south, in Belgium and northern France; Vandemaele used the work of Delahaye for his own version of the Oera Linda Book. According to Vandemaele the OLB took place in Flanders:

atlantis.oera.linda.vandemaele.jpg

http://www.semafoor.net/semafoor.htm

http://ivan.ahk.nl/index_1.html

http://www.ijpelaan.nl/Archief/Kennemerland/Kenn-Transgressie.html

http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Gbm.Delahaye/marais.htm

http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Gbm.Delahaye/wko2.htm

http://www.albertdelahaye.nl/index.php?de_transgressies

http://www.albertdelahaye.nl/index.php?english

http://entoen.nu/forum.aspx?topic=4

http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Gbm.Delahaye/batua.htm

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Yeah, I am getting dizzy from all that Oera Boera Linda stuff; actually I meant Joël Vandemaele. He and Delahaye were mentioned in one article.

Delehaye wanted to prove that most of the history of The Netherlands between 0 and 1000 AD didn't even take place there, but more to the south, in Belgium and northern France; Vandemaele used the work of Delahaye for his own version of the Oera Linda Book. According to Vandemaele the OLB took place in Flanders:

atlantis.oera.linda.vandemaele.jpg

http://www.semafoor.net/semafoor.htm

http://ivan.ahk.nl/index_1.html

http://www.ijpelaan.nl/Archief/Kennemerland/Kenn-Transgressie.html

http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Gbm.Delahaye/marais.htm

http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Gbm.Delahaye/wko2.htm

http://www.albertdelahaye.nl/index.php?de_transgressies

http://www.albertdelahaye.nl/index.php?english

http://entoen.nu/forum.aspx?topic=4

http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Gbm.Delahaye/batua.htm

The fleming in me has only one thing to say after reading some of the links :

"Dju, da's zever in pakskes, zenne! Da zulke kloefkappers iet durven publiceren, is toch ook nie te schaten."

Mind you I could write it in proper dutch, but that would only be half the fun :D

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OK, lol, cross Konered off.

Just thoughts.

No worries, it's just that you got me used to a better quality thereof :P

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The fleming in me has only one thing to say after reading some of the links :

"Dju, da's zever in pakskes, zenne! Da zulke kloefkappers iet durven publiceren, is toch ook nie te schaten."

Mind you I could write it in proper dutch, but that would only be half the fun :D

Hahaha !!

No need to write in proper Dutch, I understand it perfectly, lol.

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Sorry, deleted this post for now until I recheck some info. :rolleyes:

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The Frya people were famous for their seafaring skills, so one would expect that remnants of their boats would show up, somehwere....

OK, here is what I found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferriby_Boats

http://www.rivenoak.co.uk/1643/1685.html

Boats of Ferriby type have no known ancestors or descendants but are obviously of a long lineage. The earliest known boats are log-boats or dugouts, with examples from Holland and Denmark going back to the Middle Stone Age or Mesolithic at about 7000 BC. Logboats survived in Europe until modern times and are still made in the Tropics.

In Europe planked boats are thought to have been derived from extended log-boats or from rafts. In the case of ancient Egypt their form suggests that reed-bundle boats have a place in their ancestry. After a period of stitching or sewing of planks, the Egyptians developed edge-fastening by mortises and tenons which became the standard method throughout the Mediterranean and lasted through Greek and Roman times. Frames developed there too, eventually into the rigid frame-skeleton, covered in planking, of the familiar carvel-build. In the north, hulls were built up of thin planking overlapping at the edges which were 'clenched' by dowels or by iron rivets, hence the common term 'clinker-construction'. Ribs were inserted afterwards to keep the hull in shape. These two methods are termed 'skeleton first' and 'shell first' respectively.

The earliest plank-built boats are from Ancient Egypt and include the royal barge of Pharaoh Cheops, found dismantled in a rock-crypt in front of the great Pyramid and dated to about 2600 BC. Sea-going vessels followed and are depicted in bas-reliefs and wall paintings. In the Aegean a positive regatta of boats was depicted in fresco on the walls of a building destroyed by the great volcanic eruption of the island of Thera (Santorini) in c.1400 BC.

Our British Bronze Age boats, ranging in age from the Ferriby boats (c.1800 BC) to the Brigg 'raft' (c.800 BC), in their several ways resemble none of these and are unknown elsewhere. The nearest in age from Northern Europe is the unique Hjortspring canoe from Denmark of c.400 BC.

For fifty years the Ferriby boats and the accounts of them stood as a benchmark for the study of ancient boats in this country. They had no equals in Europe and for that matter anywhere. It is only in the last five years, first by the Severn Estuary and in 1992 at Dover, that their like has been found.

http://www.ferribyboats.co.uk/boathistory/index.html

I do hope you noticed what's been said in the article: no simlar boats were found, anywhere.

And that alone should make you think, eh?

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The Frya people were famous for their seafaring skills, so one would expect that remnants of their boats would show up, somehwere....

OK, here is what I found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferriby_Boats

http://www.rivenoak.co.uk/1643/1685.html

Boats of Ferriby type have no known ancestors or descendants but are obviously of a long lineage. The earliest known boats are log-boats or dugouts, with examples from Holland and Denmark going back to the Middle Stone Age or Mesolithic at about 7000 BC. Logboats survived in Europe until modern times and are still made in the Tropics.

In Europe planked boats are thought to have been derived from extended log-boats or from rafts. In the case of ancient Egypt their form suggests that reed-bundle boats have a place in their ancestry. After a period of stitching or sewing of planks, the Egyptians developed edge-fastening by mortises and tenons which became the standard method throughout the Mediterranean and lasted through Greek and Roman times. Frames developed there too, eventually into the rigid frame-skeleton, covered in planking, of the familiar carvel-build. In the north, hulls were built up of thin planking overlapping at the edges which were 'clenched' by dowels or by iron rivets, hence the common term 'clinker-construction'. Ribs were inserted afterwards to keep the hull in shape. These two methods are termed 'skeleton first' and 'shell first' respectively.

The earliest plank-built boats are from Ancient Egypt and include the royal barge of Pharaoh Cheops, found dismantled in a rock-crypt in front of the great Pyramid and dated to about 2600 BC. Sea-going vessels followed and are depicted in bas-reliefs and wall paintings. In the Aegean a positive regatta of boats was depicted in fresco on the walls of a building destroyed by the great volcanic eruption of the island of Thera (Santorini) in c.1400 BC.

Our British Bronze Age boats, ranging in age from the Ferriby boats (c.1800 BC) to the Brigg 'raft' (c.800 BC), in their several ways resemble none of these and are unknown elsewhere. The nearest in age from Northern Europe is the unique Hjortspring canoe from Denmark of c.400 BC.

For fifty years the Ferriby boats and the accounts of them stood as a benchmark for the study of ancient boats in this country. They had no equals in Europe and for that matter anywhere. It is only in the last five years, first by the Severn Estuary and in 1992 at Dover, that their like has been found.

http://www.ferribyboats.co.uk/boathistory/index.html

I do hope you noticed what's been said in the article: no simlar boats were found, anywhere.

And that alone should make you think, eh?

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It does...I think though just because these boats don't resemble any other boats ie: of the Med. it doesn't mean all that much.

But there is evidence of ships in Scandinavia, where I think the real area is to look for the origins of these Frisians.

Many rock carvings depict ships, and the large stone burial monuments known as stone ships suggest that shipping played an important role. Thousands of rock carvings depict ships, most probably representing sewn plank built canoes for warfare, fishing and trade. These may have a history as far back as the neolithic period and continue in to the Pre-Roman Iron Age, as shown by the Hjortspring boat

So, the boats you showed were in England and maybe not the right place to look for similar boats.

I'll admit we have no physical boats to compare to from the time, which brings me to another point...

Lack of boats in archaeology. Many of the boats that are found are in 3 states, hidden, burial, shipwreck undersea. I say that is because boat materials are very useful and no parts of the boats in any way are wasted, so not only do boats rot because of the wood, they would be reused or taken apart and used in some other way. Even in Troy they use the boats to build the Trojan Horse.

There is next to no archaeological evidence of any boats in Libya yet we clearly see pictures of them too in Sea People pictures.

There is about 2 Mycenaean shipwrecks, ships just don't survive the time.

Where are all these boats supposedly in Crete, as a great sea power you would expect to find something.

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The Ferriby type boat should resemble the boats the Frya people used; around 1800 BC England was part of Frya's empire.

Remnants of Viking ships ('longboats') are found in many places like Scandinavia, Russia, England and Holland. Why? Because they showed up in all these countries.

Now, if the Frya people sailed far and wide, then this Ferriby type boat should also be found everywhere they went according to the OLB.

Our British Bronze Age boats, ranging in age from the Ferriby boats (c.1800 BC) to the Brigg 'raft' (c.800 BC), in their several ways resemble none of these and are unknown elsewhere

You should not look at shape, but to the way they were constructed (I think).

Extra info on the dating:

Further C14 dating with the refinements of the method of C14 now produced the most recent dates to Ferriby boat one 1880BC - 1680BC and Ferriby boat two 1940BC-1720BC. Ferriby boat three dated to 2030-1780BC. The Ferriby boats were publicly acclaimed as Europe's earliest sea craft in March 2001.

http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/museumcollections/collections/storydetail.php?irn=470

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Here's the link I forgot above, the Nordic Bronze Age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Bronze_Age

I'm reckoning Sweden is looking good, maybe around Gotland, Aland and the south of Sweden, probably over to Denmark and then to Frisia.

Aland looked interesting but then I got to Gotland, land of the Goths and found some interesting things.

Firstly in Gotland we find this, sorta gold to me:

120px-Trojeborg%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.png

Another nice item, with typical Celtic/Mediterranean swirls. Trade can count, we know Mycenaeans were getting amber, the labyrinth in Sweden...the chicken or the egg..?

115px-J%C3%A4rn%C3%A5ldern%2C_Lerk%C3%A4rl%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotlanders

I also found that genetic link between Berbers and Sweden, people of a very tall nation.

The people of Scandza (Scandinavia) were known as the WOMB OF NATIONS:

Jordanes names a multitude of tribes living in Scandza, which he named the Womb of nations, and they were taller and more ferocious than the Germans (archaeological evidence has shown the Scandinavians of the time were tall, probably due to their diet).

This could be meaningful, firstly a time of 40 days and 40 nights is given, for a timeperiod that was in darkness and in light for that amuount of time but also that you could see the Sun went AROUND the Earth rather than rose, this could really alter people's ideas of the Earth and heavenly bodies.

In the north, there was the nation of the Adogit (perhaps referring to the inhabitants of Hålogaland in Norway or the people of Andøya[2]) who lived in continual light during the midsummer (for forty days and nights) and in continual darkness for as long time during the midwinter. Due to this alternation they go from joy to suffering (the first description of the Scandinavian winter depression). The sun moreoever seemed to pass around the Earth rather than to rise from below.[/i]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandza

The language of the Sami can also be found in the area and it seems to be connected to Estonia (gypsies), so wouldn't be suprised if the Estonians (Eastlanders) might be part of the Finda group, they are the actual FINNS.

Another term for Sámi used locally in Hedmark, Trøndelag and Northern Norway is Finn, whereas local Finnish speakers are called kvæn. “Finn” seems to have been in much wider use in ancient times, judging from the names Fenni and Phinnoi in classical Roman and Greek works.

Sami refer to themselves as Sámit (the Sámis) or Sápmelaš (of Sámi kin), the word Sami being inflected into various grammatical forms. It has been proposed that Sami, Suomi (Finnish for Finland), and Häme (Finnish for Tavastia) are of the same origin, the source of which might be related to the Baltic word *žēmē meaning "land".[12] The Sami institutions – notably the parliaments, the radio and TV stations, theatres, etc. – all use the term Sami, also when addressing outsiders in Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, or English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people

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I found something FAR better than anything we both found sofar.... the archives of Frisan newspapers, for over 275 years.

Type "oera linda" :

http://www.archiefleeuwardercourant.nl/srch/sim.do?again=true

I found like 350 articles which mention the OLB, and some are so hilarious that I almost screamed with laughter.

Example:

http://www.archiefleeuwardercourant.nl/img.do?id=LC-20070222-NO01003014&h=oera,linda&s=0.45

But also many serious ones, and also those that appeared soon after the publication of the OLB.

I didn't read the OLB version by Jensma (it's online, but the vertibrae of your neck will be dislocated if you try to read it..), but I will bet that he used all those articles (the serious ones, heh).

There are many articles who say a lot more about the OLB than you will find ANYWHERE online.

If I feel like it, I will translate some of them; you will be very interested...

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Faro is an island that just lies off Gotland, Sweden.

The word Pharos in Greek means lighthouse. On Faro is a lighthouse. The Italian word for lighthouse is faro.

Now, I know this lighthouse was only recently built but it had me thinking...

Could Faro off Gotland actually be the island of Pharos that Proteus, the shape shifting God, (brother of Nereus, father of the Nereids) who held the secret of where Troy was, lived? He hides Helen (in Egypt?) in an alternate version of the Troy story.

I know you are probably groaning right now but seriously, what is the myth with details about Menelaus and Proteus and this mythical lighthouse in Egypt about..?

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Faro is an island that just lies off Gotland, Sweden.

The word Pharos in Greek means lighthouse. On Faro is a lighthouse. The Italian word for lighthouse is faro.

Now, I know this lighthouse was only recently built but it had me thinking...

Could Faro off Gotland actually be the island of Pharos that Proteus, the shape shifting God, (brother of Nereus, father of the Nereids) who held the secret of where Troy was, lived? He hides Helen (in Egypt?) in an alternate version of the Troy story.

I know you are probably groaning right now but seriously, what is the myth with details about Menelaus and Proteus and this mythical lighthouse in Egypt about..?

If you want to look for that kind of 'links', you better check this out:

Lighthouses of the Faroes, Alewyn's 'Atlantis'.

But it's more like laughing what I'm doing now.

:lol:

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Concerning the Faroe Islands...

In POST 25 Alewyn mentions the Farao Islands, and thinks it was the Frisland Island that the Zeno brothers had put on a map, but no one was able to find again.

Some say it was a hoax, some say it was a mis-interpretation of an older map, and so on.

And maybe you will remember that I said in the Doggerland thread that the Zeno brothers may have heard of this Frisland island in some North European harbour, had no clue where it was located, and then just put it in the North Atlantic. I had hoped that this Frisland was nothing but a real ancient myth about Dogger Island, it did have the same size.

But I found a much more reasonable explanation for Alewyn's suggestion ( => Frisland island = Faroe Islands in an earlier time/ lower sealevel, ... and maybe it was 'Atland'):

A Frisian colony was there from the year 1040 until The Black Death killed all of them in 1350. The Frisians remained heathen a long time after the rest of the Faroe Islands were Christianised. It is said that they partly lived by piracy and they are mentioned in several Faeroese legends

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akraberg#History

I can imagine those Frisian pirates re-named the Faroe islands, and called it 'Frisland', after their own people.

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