[Archived]Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood

[Otharus]

You believe it when people say he is reliable, I believe others who say he isn't.

Please read more carefully.

I wrote:

"I [...] would indeed like to read a good translation of SP's work, before I have a judgement."

[Abramelin]

Please read more carefully.

I wrote:

"I [...] would indeed like to read a good translation of SP's work, before I have a judgement."

Heh, I needed sleep.

[Abramelin]

Some of it was worth reading.

Thanks for the effort.

I had sort of expected you and Knul to comment on what I said about Godfried the Viking.

For me it is possible the Godfrêiath of the OLB could really be this Godfried who died in 885 AD without creating any problems for the OLB. What do you think?

[Abramelin]

I underlined the relevant part.

Ottema in 1854 used the term "wartaal" (gibberish, nonsense) in the title of his his article about de Haan Hettema's publication.

22 Years later Beckering Vinckers used that term (also in the title of an article) to burn down Ottema's love of his life, the OLB.

I don't think Ottema will have been the first, but appearantly, 19th century scholars used harsh terms to 'critisize' each others publications.

I think I'm getting what you tried to convey: the way Ottema talked other people's accompishments down made him fair game for others when he published the OLB. Is that what you meant to say?

[Otharus]

Is that what you meant to say?

Yes.

And about Godfried; no, I think OLB is a (copy of a?) 13th C. copy of a 9th C. copy of an older original. You know how many counts Willem, Dirk and Floris Holland has had? Names are recycled over and over again.

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And now for something completely... etc.

Time for a laugh, guys.

I'm off to the (old) Frysk Museum, and course Nyfrysk.

[Abramelin]

And about Godfried; no, I think OLB is a (copy of a?) 13th C. copy of a 9th C. copy of an older original. You know how many counts Willem, Dirk and Floris Holland has had? Names are recycled over and over again.

Yeah, names are recycled over and over again, agreed.

But not a name like Godfrêiath the Witkening/Seaking/the Old aka Godfied the Viking/Seaking.

You say it was a copy of a copy and so on, but the part with "Okke my son" and so on is a much later addition.

Even according to most believers in the OLB it was copied over and over again, and things were added throughout he centuries. It is supposed to be a family chronicle: how can it be a family chronicle if things are not added by new generations of that family?

"I think OLB is a (copy of a?) 13th C. copy of a 9th C. copy of an older original"

Even then, someone (Liko's son/daughter?) could have added this Godfrêiath in the 9th century?

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

About that copying....

Not only the letter -GS- is missing from page 46, also the letter -W- . It doesn't even show up on Plate II of Sandbach's version.

Everytime a -W- is being used in the OLB script, it's clearly ONE letter, not a double -V- .

[Knul]

Yeah, names are recycled over and over again, agreed.

But not a name like Godfrêiath the Witkening/Seaking/the Old aka Godfied the Viking/Seaking.

You say it was a copy of a copy and so on, but the part with "Okke my son" and so on is a much later addition.

Even according to most believers in the OLB it was copied over and over again, and things were added throughout he centuries. It is supposed to be a family chronicle: how can it be a family chronicle if things are not added by new generations of that family?

"I think OLB is a (copy of a?) 13th C. copy of a 9th C. copy of an older original"

Even then, someone (Liko's son/daughter?) could have added this Godfrêiath in the 9th century?

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It is reasonable to hold this Godfried the Seeking for a coaevum of Charles the Great as the Arab numerals have been developed in that time. This Godfried would then be Gottrik, King of Haithabu, who sent a naval expedition of 200 ships against Frisia. He was murdered by a lifegard, probably a son.

[Abramelin]

About that copying....

Not only the letter -GS- is missing from page 46, also the letter -W- . It doesn't even show up on Plate II of Sandbach's version.

Everytime a -W- is being used in the OLB script, it's clearly ONE letter, not a double -V- .

Let me show you what I mean:

This should be a letter -W- on that page 46:

An example of -W in text:

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Yesterday I talked about numerals in the OLB, and that - like the Vikings did - numerals were written in words.

That is strange for why should they use that cumbersome way of writing 4 digit numbers in words while they have those "Godfreiath" ciphers??

OK, one might say: they only used those ciphers to number the pages of the OLB.

OK. But now look at the -4- on top of page 46:

I hope you see it too: both the stand-form as the run-form of the OLB -4- is different from the -4- used on top of that page.

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

It is reasonable to hold this Godfried the Seeking for a coaevum of Charles the Great as the Arab numerals have been developed in that time. This Godfried would then be Gottrik, King of Haithabu, who sent a naval expedition of 200 ships against Frisia. He was murdered by a lifegard, probably a son.

Nobody appears to be really sure about the true identity of all these "Godfrieds".

As reported by the Annales regni Francorum of 808 AD, Danish king Gudfred (also Godofrid, Gøttrik) had received plenty of tribute from Reric the years before,[1] but in 808 "destroyed"[1] the emporium and took with him "the merchants hereof"[1]. Gudfred resettled them to Hedeby (also Haithabu, Sliasthorp), a contemporary emporium closer to Denmark.[1] This event was part of a series of warfare between Denmark and Charlemagne's Frankish Empire, in the course of which the Franks had allied with the Obodrites.[1] The destruction of the site may not have been ultimate, since an Obodrite duke, Drazko, is reported murdered at Reric the following year.

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In 809, King Godfred and emissaries of Charlemagne failed to negotiate peace. In 810, Gudfrid led 200 ships to plunder the Frisian coast, and forced the merchants and peasant to pay 100 pounds of silver and claimed Northern Frisia as Danish territory. To protect the northern coast of the Frankish Empire, Charlemagne began paying Viking chieftains to protect sections of the coast from the Schlei east to the Weser River. That same summer King Godfred was killed by one of his housecarls. According to Notker of St Gall, the bodyguard who murdered King Gudfred was one of his own sons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reric

"That same summer" ... does that mean this Godfried was killed in 810?

But the other one was killed in 885.

Anyway, this is about Godfreiath the Witkening, the Seakening, the Old.

Now look how this guy is called in 3 languages:

Frisian: Godfried de Wytsing = Godfried the Viking http://fy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfried_de_Wytsing

Dutch: Godfried de Noorman/Zeekoning = Godfried the Norman/Sea-king http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfried_de_Noorman

English: Godfrid, Duke of Frisia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrid,_Duke_of_Frisia

There's also a Godfried the Old, but he lived much later.

Even with what I posted earlier - using the legend (see Van den Bergh) about the son of Friso calling the Danes "Viths" and thus giving rise to a word "Vith-Kening"/ "Vithking" or "King of the Jutes" - I still don't know which of the Godfrieds it was who showed up inthe OLB as Godfreiath.

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Aside from that, long ago I posted that in Spain and France a Viking was once called "Vitking". And that sounds reasonable if we compare that with "Vith-King", King of the Jutes/Danes.

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

When could the Vikings have learned of the inscription/ciphers in the Alhambra?

I posted this before, but I found a bit more to that (and my next post is about that Basque chronicle of 'time immemorial'...).

During the Muslim era, Seville earned prominence. It served as the Almoravid and Almohad capital in Spain. Seville often competed with Córdoba as a center of learning and wealth. After Vikings attacked the city in the mid-9th century, the Umayyad amir Abd al-Rahman II built a naval fleet and series of watchtowers to protect his realm. During the era of the petty kingdoms, Seville became a shining city under the poet-king al-Mutamid.

http://www.islamicspain.tv/Andalusi-Society/The-Cities.htm

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844 - Vikings raid the Galician estuaries, are defeated by Ramiro I, attack Lisbon, and sack Seville, but are shortly afterwards wiped out by a Córdoban relief army.

859 - Vikings raid the Iberian coast. They capture and ransom King García Íñiguez of Pamplona.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Muslim_presence_in_the_Iberian_Peninsula

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844 - Vikings start attacking ports down the Atlantic coast, and eventually round the bottom of Spain and reach Seville where they are beaten up big time by the local Muslim forces and retire, never to return.

http://www.paradoxplace.com/Photo%20Pages/Spain/Spain_History/Al-Andalus_Chronology.htm

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The first Viking drakkars reached the Iberian Peninsula in 844 AD, some 50 years after their first expeditions hit hard the northwestern Europe. In this year, one Viking group looted Gijon (on the north coast) and disembarked at La Coruna, but they faced a tough response from the Asturian king Ramiro I, who for a moment neglected the fight with the Moors (Arabs) to deal with this danger.

The Vikings retired and in the next weeks they looted the neighborings of Lisbon before advancing on the river Guadalquivir and attacked Sevilla. But the Blammen ("Black Men", Arabs) defeated them at Tablada and the Vikings retreated to their northern home.

In 860, a new fleet attacked Galicia (northwestern Spain), the Portuguese shores and Sevilla; it crossed the Mediterranean and wiped out the Balearic Islands. They attacked Pamplona after crossing the Ebru river and captured the king of Navarra, Garcia Iniguez, who paid a ransom for his release.

Another great campaign took place in 968. The jarl ("warlord") Gundraed attacked Galicia with 100 ships and 8,000 warriors. They roamed freely for years and even occupied Santiago de Compostella, but the Vikings were finally defeated by the troops of the count Gonzalo Sanchez.

They moved southward, but the Moorish in Spain were at their peak in that moment and the armies of Al-Hakam II easily rejected the pirates.

Around 1,000 Norwegian Vikings tried another attack on the area, but with no result.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Viking-Attacks-and-the-Moorish-Spain-62632.shtml

The Viking Invasions: Commercial War?

According to Joel SupŽry, the French author of 'Le Secret des Vikings', the Scandinavian attacks against the Frankish Empire were carried out not by raiding adventurers looking for gold and silver but by armies applying a military strategy.

In 795 AD, long before the start of the Danish invasion proper in 840, Scandinavians were present in Asturias, on the northern shore of Spain, where they fought with the local king against the Moors.

In 799, the Franks attacked them in Noirmoutier; in 812, a Viking fleet was seen off Perpignan on the Mediterranean Sea. In 816, Northmen were in Pamplona fighting together with a Navarrese army against the Moors. In 823 and 825, their presence was recorded on the Ria Mundaka in Biscaya. According to Supery, the intention of these Vikings was to create a commercial route to the Mediterranean Sea, then the centre of the world's trade.The main western European trading route between the south and the north was the Rhine-Rhone axis.

The Franks initiated a form of commercial blockade in an effort to weaken the Danish kingdom. The Danes therefore decided to create their own route to the south along the Frankish coast. On this route they met the Moors, who were the masters of the Strait of Gibraltar.

As this course was deemed too risky, they decided to reach the oriental markets by crossing the Pyrenees, passing through Mundaka (Guernika), Pamplona and then Tortosa, which was the main slave market in Europe.In 840, the Danes began their attacks on the Frankish Empire Ð not on the Seine but on the Adour. Gascony fell under their complete control as early as 844. The leader of the invasion, Bjorn Ironside, became the ruler of the area and gave his name to Bayonne (originally "Bjšrnhamn").

Hastein had occupied Noirmoutier in 843.

In 845 Asgeir began to settle in Saintonge in Aquitania. Effectively, by 845 all the lands around the Bay of Biscay were under Danish control.

The Danish war in the north of France began with two objectives: to weaken the power of King Charles the Bald and to prevent the Franks from attacking in the south. In 858, having crushed the Frankish kingdom, Bjorn concluded a treaty with Charles the Bald whereby - according to Supery - the Danes were formally granted all the country south of the river Garonne, an area which was thereafter no longer mentioned in the Frankish annals.

In the following year, Bjorn forced the king of Navarre to make a treaty allowing the Danes to cross Navarre to reach the river Ebro and Tortosa. He then sailed with Hastein to the Mediterranean Sea.

While Hastein set about disorganizing trade in the Rhine valley and Italy, Bjorn attacked Constantinople, after joining up with the Swedish Varyags who had come across Russia. He obtained a commercial treaty from the Byzantine Emperor intended to attract trade away from the Rhone to the Ebro.

In 863, Dorestad in Frisia, the Franks' main commercial centre on the Rhine, was definitively destroyed. The first Viking war was over: the Danes had set up a new trade network in place of an older and opposing one.Then a new war began: the Danish chiefs tried to emulate the success of Bjorn in Gascony and to create their own overseas kingdoms. Northumbria, Mercia, Frisia, Aquitaine, Bretagne and Normandy were all affected by these attempts to found Scandinavian settlements.

Gascony stayed under the Vikings' control for 140 years. Their army was finally defeated in 982 by forces from Gascony, PŽrigord and Navarre. The Gascons of Nordic origin were allowed to stay in the country which had become rich under their rule, but they were condemned not to mix with other communities, becoming (according to one legend) the despised and ostracized Agotes or Cagots.

Yet their continuing presence in the Biscay area may help to explain why the Basques have so many traditions (such as whale hunting) with possible Nordic origins, and perhaps why they are said to have reached America one hundred years before Christopher Colombus.

http://www.crystalinks.com/vikings.html

Well, you pick a date of your liking, lol.

But look at that name I enlarged: "Asgeir"... could this be 'our' Asega Ascar (Black Adel) of the OLB??

Well, read his story here, and it is about him the OLB talks, just before it is cut off...

After that Askar had become so connected with the Jutlanders and the Denmarkers, they all went roving together; but it produced no real good to them. They brought all sorts of foreign treasures home, and just for that reason the young men would learn no trades, nor work in the fields; so at last he was obliged to take slaves; but that was altogether contrary to Wr-alda’s wish and to Frya’s counsel. Therefore the punishment Was sure to follow it. This is the way in which the punishment came. They had all together taken a whole fleet that came out of the Mediterranean Sea. This fleet was laden with purple cloths and other valuables that came from Phœnicia. The weak people of the fleet were put ashore south of the Seine, but the strong people were kept to serve as slaves. The handsomest were retained ashore, and the ugly and black were kept on board ship as rowers.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#ca

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

No, he only mentioned he had found an ancient family chronicle:

The Lords of Navarre - José Lacambra-Loizu (from the book's Preface, page xxiii)

During a recent visit to my ancestral home in the Spanish Pyrenees, I happened across a sixteenth century manuscript claiming family roots that dated back to "time immemorial." This startling discovery encouraged me to anchor this chronicle in the prehistoric past, describing a journey spanning the last glacial age to the present. It narrates the meandering of a family of Vascon warlords, the Agorretas, as they grope their way out of the prehistoric mists and into the glare of history.

http://www.buber.net/Basque/Features/GuestColumns/jml040624.php

http://www.amazon.com/Lords-Navarre-Basque-Family-Saga/dp/0595311482#_

http://books.google.nl/books?id=R0UZsM6--BgC&pg=PA395&lpg=PA395&dq=The+Lords+of+Navarre:+A+Basque+Family+Saga+Door+Jose+Maria+Lacambra-Loizu&source=bl&ots=E1UOufzfs6&sig=BD0m3b6OvIwQ28-qQgAxl7E8fus&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=JjohT4XOOsmfOo_a_KYI&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

My post 9694, page 647

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=184645&st=9690

It doesn't even say it is HIS family chronicle, just "A" family chronicle.

I should think this would make the hearts of the OLB fans beat a little faster, don't you think so too?

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The next is not from the 16th century, but from the 17th century:

Histoire de Bearn: concernant l'origine des rois de Navarre, des ducs de Gascogne, Marquis de Gothie, Princes de Bearn, Comtes de Carcassonne, De Foix, & de Bogorre - by Pierre de Marca / 1640 (MDCXL)

(History of Bearn: regarding the origin of the kings of Navarre, the dukes of Gascony, Marquis of Gothia, Princes of Bearn, Counts of Carcassonne, of Foix, & of Bogorre)

http://books.google.nl/books?id=rVE_AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=nl&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

I hope someone who understands French better than I do wants to have a look inside...

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About Béarn:

The name Béarn comes from Beneharnum, the capital city of the Venarni people, destroyed by Vikings by 840

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9arn

(Hey Puzz, you see those... RED COWS?? Bwahahahaha !!!)

From the former post:

"Gascony fell under their complete control as early as 844. The leader of the invasion, Bjorn Ironside, became the ruler of the area and gave his name to Bayonne (originally "Bjšrnhamn")."

About this Björn:

Björn Ironside (Old Norse and Icelandic: Björn Járnsíða, Swedish: Björn Järnsida) was a semi-legendary king of Sweden who would have lived sometime in the 9th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_Ironside

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What was most likely the other/original? name of Asega Askar (Black Adel)? That would be "Asinga Ascon"... a bit of OLB wordfk, and you get this: asin-gascon. Heh.

Bayonne (French pronunciation: [bajɔn]; Gascon and Basque: Baiona) is a city and commune in south-western France at the confluence of the Nive and Adour rivers, in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques department, of which it is a sub-prefecture. It belongs to both vernacular cultural regions of Basque Country and Gascony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonne

From the former post:

"Gascony stayed under the Vikings' control for 140 years. Their army was finally defeated in 982 by forces from Gascony, PŽrigord and Navarre. The Gascons of Nordic origin were allowed to stay in the country which had become rich under their rule, but they were condemned not to mix with other communities, becoming (according to one legend) the despised and ostracized Agotes or Cagots."

About Asinga Ascon/Asega Askar, read my post 212 on page 15 ( 13 July 2010 )

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=184645&st=210&p=3490703entry3490703

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

God... no kidding: Asin Gascon is a real Spanish (Basque?) name !!

Asega Askar= Asing Ascon >>> Asin Gascon.

Check for yourselves.

[Abramelin]

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But look at that name I enlarged: "Asgeir"... could this be 'our' Asega Ascar (Black Adel) of the OLB??

Well, read his story here, and it is about him the OLB talks, just before it is cut off...

After that Askar had become so connected with the Jutlanders and the Denmarkers, they all went roving together; but it produced no real good to them. They brought all sorts of foreign treasures home, and just for that reason the young men would learn no trades, nor work in the fields; so at last he was obliged to take slaves; but that was altogether contrary to Wr-alda’s wish and to Frya’s counsel. Therefore the punishment Was sure to follow it. This is the way in which the punishment came. They had all together taken a whole fleet that came out of the Mediterranean Sea. This fleet was laden with purple cloths and other valuables that came from Phœnicia. The weak people of the fleet were put ashore south of the Seine, but the strong people were kept to serve as slaves. The handsomest were retained ashore, and the ugly and black were kept on board ship as rowers.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#ca

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The city of Bordeaux was partially destroyed as soon as 840, except for its fortress. Asgeir finally took the city in 848 after a one year siege. He had to leave it as soon as 851 when he had to launch a counter-attack on the Seine River. The Duke of Gascony, allied with Charles the Bald, took the control of the city. By 855, Asgeir came back and conquered the city once again. Vikings remained there for more than one hundred years. They had their port outside the city walls, in a swampy area on the left bank, maybe in what had to become the mariners’ favorite place, les Chartrons.

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/germanic-toponymy.html

I develop the subject in my last book "les Vikings au coeur de nos régions" Editions Yago, 2009, 528 pages, 22€. In this book, I mention more than 2000 place names in the south of France which could have a Scandinavian translation.

These place names reveal a "viking colony" and the military marches that surround it. They also demonstrate that the slave trade towards Spain was the main buisness of the Northmen in France.

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/germanic-toponymy.html

Asgeir

The name Asgeir is based on the old Viking name Ásgeir. It's combined between to words As and Geir where As means God and Geir means Spear. The meaning of the name Asgeir is the spear of Gods.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Asgeir

The chiefs who conquered Gascony were called Ragnar, Asgeir, Hastein and Björn. Far from being common looters, they were the Saekonungar, the Sea Kings, who led the invasions in Western Europe.

Why did these Saekonungar attack Gascony so early?

We have found an answer and this answer changes everything.

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/index.html

"Lescaire" (Asgeir), called Asker in Aquitaine

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/uploads/1/1/8/7/1187779/a_viking_base_in_mimizan_31.pdf

Image:

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/uploads/1/1/8/7/1187779/7882957_orig.jpg

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/gascony-political-goal.html

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I assume some here will like this quote:

“I couldn’t imagine that a twelve centuries old subject –Viking invasions- would create such a violent reaction among French scholars. My reading, clearly revolutionary, of this period didn’t please at all many people. With this other reading, I threatened ancient theories and contested the teaching given for decades.

There are two possibilities. Either I’m right or I’m wrong. If I’m wrong, it should be easy to prove. If I’m right, proving I’m wrong is becoming much more difficult. Three years ago, when my first book was published, some scholars promised to prove my “fraud”. I’m still waiting.

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/the-author.html

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Before Alewyn, Otharus and also Knul dismiss what I posted in my former post, beware...

What the writer of whom I quoted is trying to prove goes against accepted French history (see quote at the end of former post).

If he is right (and read that whole website I linked to) then he may well prove what was most probably NOT known in the 19th century...

To me it looks like this Askar/Asker/Asgeir may hold the key. Don't forget: the account of his exploits (slave trade, and the mentioning of him south of the Seine at some point, and so on) is the final story in the OLB.

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

I was too late to edit, but of course I know the OLB Askar lived somewhere BC, while this Asker/Asgear lived in the 9th century AD.

But the connection between them, aside from their similar names, is this: slaves, Jutes/Danes, Seine, Gauls, trade, and the Mediterranean.

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From the OLB:

Among the ruins of the destroyed citadel of Stavia there was still established a clever Burgtmaagd, with a few maidens. Her name was Reintja, and she was famed fur her wisdom. This maid offered her assistance to Askar, on condition that he should afterwards rebuild the citadel of Stavia. When he had bound himself to do this, Reintja went with three maidens to Hals (Holstein).

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#ca

From my former post:

The chiefs who conquered Gascony were called Ragnar, Asgeir, Hastein and Björn. Far from being common looters, they were the Saekonungar, the Sea Kings, who led the invasions in Western Europe.

http://www.vikinginfrance.com/index.html

And I dare to say I will find an important person (male/female) with a name similar to the OLB "Reintja", but living in the 9th century instead.

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Edited February 15, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Please don't tell me I scared you all off??

I must have hit jackpot, right?

Ok, no prob. Next morning you will all give me something 'sane' and/or 'smart' as an answer.

But I just pour out whatever I may find on my searches.

I never had the impression any of the believers had the balls to do the same.

Never.

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[Otharus]

Next morning you will all give me something 'sane' and/or 'smart' as an answer.

But I just pour out whatever I may find on my searches.

I never had the impression any of the believers had the balls to do the same.

Never.

Pathetic

[Otharus]

Everytime a -W- is being used in the OLB script, it's clearly ONE letter, not a double -V- .

You must be very unfamiliar with the manuscript.

[Otharus]

That website vikinginfrance.com is surely interesting.

So the name Askar/ Ascon was still in use in the 9th century, I'm not that surprised.

Nice to see another alternative historian challenge the historical establishment with good arguments.

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If you like co-incidences: the Hitler in Friesland video I posted was made by Cinema Ascona.

I hope you feel better today.

[Knul]

Please don't tell me I scared you all off??

I must have hit jackpot, right?

Ok, no prob. Next morning you will all give me something 'sane' and/or 'smart' as an answer.

But I just pour out whatever I may find on my searches.

I never had the impression any of the believers had the balls to do the same.

Never.

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Asega was a juridical profession, title, hence Asega Book. The own name of Asega Askar was Adel. This Adel has not yet shown in your Viking story. By the way the Vikings are called Northmanna in the OLB, Witkening is explained as Witto and his son (Wittekind) should equal to Wedekind, Widukind (743-807), which fits to my earlier remark on Godfried (Gottric) and the Arab ciphers. Viking raids to France happened a generation later.

[Abramelin]

Pathetic

No, drunk, lol.

[Abramelin]

You must be very unfamiliar with the manuscript.

I even showed you a scan of the top of page 46: you see they used a real -W- there, as a separate letter.

This real letter does not show up under one of those Yule wheels, just like the -GS- letter doesn't show up under those wheels.

And yes, I do know they use a double -V- .

[Abramelin]

Asega was a juridical profession, title, hence Asega Book. The own name of Asega Askar was Adel. This Adel has not yet shown in your Viking story. By the way the Vikings are called Northmanna in the OLB, Witkening is explained as Witto and his son (Wittekind) should equal to Wedekind, Widukind (743-807), which fits to my earlier remark on Godfried (Gottric) and the Arab ciphers. Viking raids to France happened a generation later.

I know what an asega is/was.

I also showed you how, according to the Friso legend, his son called the Jutes/Danes: Viths.

So a king of the Jutes/Danes would be called Vith-Kening. That is a bit too much of a coincidence, don't you think so too?

And months ago I posted how (and I think it was by people living near the French and Spanish Pyrenees) these Vikings were called: Vitkings.

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Edited February 16, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Asega was a juridical profession, title, hence Asega Book. The own name of Asega Askar was Adel. This Adel has not yet shown in your Viking story. By the way the Vikings are called Northmanna in the OLB, Witkening is explained as Witto and his son (Wittekind) should equal to Wedekind, Widukind (743-807), which fits to my earlier remark on Godfried (Gottric) and the Arab ciphers. Viking raids to France happened a generation later.

That is YOUR explanation, but this is the story:

Tha Sêlandar sêider to, hja skoldon jêrlikes fiftech skêpa haeve, nêi faesta mêtum aend nêi faesta jeldum, to hrêd mith ysere kêdne aend krânbogum aend mith fvlle tjuch alsa far wêrskêpa hof aend nêdlik sy, men tha Juttar skoldon hja thaen mith frêthe lêta, aend all-et folk thaet to Fryasbern hêred. Jâ hi wilde mar dva, hi wilde al vsa sêkaempar utnêda thaet hja skolde mith fjuchta aend râwa. Thâ tha Sêlandar wêi brit wêron, thâ lêt-er fjuwertich alda skêpa to laja mith burchwêpne, wod, hirbaken stên, timberljud, mirtselêra aend smêda vmbe thêr mith burga to bvwande. Witto, that is witte sin svn, sand hi mith vmb to to sjanande. Hwat thêr al fâr fallen is, n-is my navt ni meld, men sa fül is mi bâr wrden, an byde sida thêre haves mvde is êne withburch bvwed, thêr in is folk lêid that Friso uta Saxanamarka tâch. Witto heth Sjuchthirte bifrêjad aend to sin wiv nomen. Wilhem alsa hête hira tat, hi was vreste Aldermaen thêra Juttar, that is vrste Grêvetman jefta Grêve. Wilhem is kirt after sturven aend Witto is in sin stêd koren.

When the Zeelanders had gone, he loaded forty old ships with weapons for wall defences, wood, bricks, carpenters, masons, and smiths, in order to build citadels. Witto, or Witte, his son, he sent to superintend. I have never been well informed of what happened; but this much is clear to me, that on each side of the harbour a strong citadel has been built, and garrisoned by people brought by Friso out of Saksenmarken. Witto courted Siuchthirte and married her. Wilhem, her father, was chief Alderman of the Jutmenthat is, chief Grevetman or Count. Wilhem died shortly afterwards, and Witto was chosen in his place.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#bt

And you said: "Viking raids to France happened a generation later."

That also is why I said: if this Frenchman proves to be right, the history of the Vikings in France will change.

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Edited February 16, 2012 by Abramelin