Still Waters Posted July 19, 2010 #1 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Was a cancer recovery a miracle? The Saint Louis Catholic Archdiocese thinks so. They say a Saint Louis woman's cancer has vanished because of her prayers to a priest who's now on the verge of becoming a saint. They've asked the Vatican to certify her case miracle.There are some things medical science can't explain. Rachel Lozano's cure is one of them.Rachel Lozano was first diagnosed with a rare form of cancer when she was fifteen. By the year 2000 it looked hopeless. On a church trip that year to the Vatican for a ceremony honoring Father William Chaminade. she prayed that Father William Chaminade to heal her. Her prayers continued. So did the cancer. Finally, she was given weeks to live. When surgeons operated they found a dead tumor. Six years later Lozano remains cancer-free. After an investigation the St. Louis Archdiocese concluded it was the prayers and Chaminnade that cured the cancer. If the Vatican agrees chances are good that Chaminade, a French priest and founder of the Marianist order could become a saint. Read more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alladar Posted July 19, 2010 #2 Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) good painting of him! Edited July 19, 2010 by Alladar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplos Posted July 19, 2010 #3 Share Posted July 19, 2010 she prayed that Father William Chaminade to heal her. I'm not Catholic, so I don't know how things work over there. I'm not even Christian, per se, but this bugs me. Shouldn't she be praying to God for Him to heal her, and not praying to some priest? Interesting though. It doesn't, however, say what treatments she underwent from age 15 diagnosis to the time she was cured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketgirl33 Posted July 19, 2010 #4 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Strange things happen in the medical world,but I don't think that giving a Priest the kudos for it is healthy. With my first question being, "Why this woman?" Is there something so special about her that God would heal her while he watches tens of thousands of innocent children suffer horrible deaths every day? Why her and not the little boy who was taken by a killer on his way to school and raped repetedly then murdered slowly? Why her and not the tiny babies starving to death in the streets of thrid world countries? Why her and not all the others who fall to their knees every Sunday and praise his Glory? Why her? My point is, there is no God. Medical miracles happen and no one knows why. To say that it was a devine healing is silly and wishfull thinking. There is absolutly no EVIDENCE to prove that there is a God or devine healing. Why is everyone so quick to praise God for ONE miracle when there are millions of suffering children all around them? I always liked this excuse, "God never gives you more than you can handle", (please excuse me while I choke on that.) When God gets out there and performs a real miracle like saving some dieing children or saving lillte Johnny from rape and tourture, then and only then should people say it was God. It is selfish and ignorant to think that a real God would conduct business this way. It is stories like this that just confirm the fact that there is not God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alladar Posted July 20, 2010 #5 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Maybe believing you will get better isn't enough. man might need a higher being to believe in for this type of blind faith healing to work. she 100% believed he would heal her, and she was healed. She healed herself through the power of thought/prayer. Does man need to believe in more than himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefinger Posted July 20, 2010 #6 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I'm not Catholic, so I don't know how things work over there. I'm not even Christian, per se, but this bugs me. Shouldn't she be praying to God for Him to heal her, and not praying to some priest? Interesting though. It doesn't, however, say what treatments she underwent from age 15 diagnosis to the time she was cured. I'm not a Catholic either, but I can understand why she prayed to the priest. The Catholic is under the impression that God listens to those who live a holy life. Therefore, she prays to someone she think God will listen to so that the saint can pray on her behalf. Of course, the book of Hebrews states that we already have Jesus for that. But, like I said, its understandable. Interestingly enough, whenever you find a physical phenomenon, like the miraculous curing of cancer, you will find physical laws at work is some extraordinary way. This is not to say that it isn't caused by God. I'm just saying that when it comes to observable miracles, we are likely to be observing physical laws at work. ...Just in case some would say that there is a scientific explanation to anything. It is, in my opinion, still a miracle caused by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted July 20, 2010 #7 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I'm not Catholic, so I don't know how things work over there. I'm not even Christian, per se, but this bugs me. Shouldn't she be praying to God for Him to heal her, and not praying to some priest? Interesting though. It doesn't, however, say what treatments she underwent from age 15 diagnosis to the time she was cured. in italy (the home of catholisism) there are more people who pray to the saints for help and guidance than those who actually pray to jesus or god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel-DC Posted July 20, 2010 #8 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I'm not Catholic, so I don't know how things work over there. I'm not even Christian, per se, but this bugs me. Shouldn't she be praying to God for Him to heal her, and not praying to some priest? Here in Portugal people, especially the old ones, care about god and Jesus and all that, BUT they seem to direct more their prayers to local saints. Especially in disease.They make promises and pilgrimages to chapels and churches. The local saints and priests are more familiar to the people, they probably give more confidence . Or at least, they can identify better with a saint or priest of his village than with Jesus or God. But in the end, its all about faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larving Posted July 20, 2010 #9 Share Posted July 20, 2010 How does she know that it was the praying that cured her cancer, and not a special keychain she happened to have? That said, cancer does occationally disappear on its own. Prayer or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power Lust Posted July 20, 2010 #10 Share Posted July 20, 2010 How does she know that it was the praying that cured her cancer, and not a special keychain she happened to have? That said, cancer does occationally disappear on its own. Prayer or not. I got shot down on these forums about 6 months back for claiming faith and the placebo effect are the same thing. I also got shot down for saying they work on more than just health and that your expectations in life alter reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larving Posted July 20, 2010 #11 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I got shot down on these forums about 6 months back for claiming faith and the placebo effect are the same thing. I also got shot down for saying they work on more than just health and that your expectations in life alter reality. I agree with the first statement, but strongly disagree with the 2nd one. While your expectations might change your perception of reality, reality itself remains the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power Lust Posted July 20, 2010 #12 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I agree with the first statement, but strongly disagree with the 2nd one. While your expectations might change your perception of reality, reality itself remains the same. Well its easy enough to test. Please try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.H. Holmes Posted July 20, 2010 #13 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I would also like to know what treatments she was given leading up to the "miraculous" disappearance of her cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbondo Posted July 20, 2010 #14 Share Posted July 20, 2010 As a Christian I believe in healing but I do not believe in giving credit to a Priest or any other human being. You need only the amount of Faith of a mustard seed to move mountains, which is to mean that by your Faith good things will and do happen. I am not going to speak negatively about Catholic belief but I do have some vast differences when it comes to how Faith and the Church are viewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted July 20, 2010 Author #15 Share Posted July 20, 2010 This news story reminds me of the lady I met once who told me her faith cured her of epileptic seizures which she'd had all her life. She went to a laying on of hands ceremony and hasn't had a seizure since. She strongly believes that cured her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlizd1 Posted July 20, 2010 #16 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I got shot down on these forums about 6 months back for claiming faith and the placebo effect are the same thing. I also got shot down for saying they work on more than just health and that your expectations in life alter reality. i have been saying that as long as i can remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puridalan Posted July 20, 2010 #17 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I don't care really what the person believes in, if they are better they are better! I think people get stuck up on ooooo I can't believe this person really believes that or this...when instead we should just be happy for them and that they are better, not focusing on the other aspect. When people get caught up on that, it just makes me laugh, I'm like really your going to bicker with the person..rather than say congrats you're healthy again! That's what people should respond with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: Posted July 20, 2010 #18 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Shouldn't she be praying to God for Him to heal her, and not praying to some priest? According to the 2nd of the 10 Commandments, that is correct. "You shall have no other gods before me." So any statues of the virgin Mary, the pope, any saints and martyrs, the rosary (which is praying mostly to the virgin Mary) is all a form of worship of a false idol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_of_Man Posted July 20, 2010 #19 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) The human mind is a powerful thing, as well as faith, but with medical treatments for cancer, most treatments end up causing cancer down the road and the return of the cancer then would tell a great deal. As far as praying to a Catholic Priest, now a days, let's just hope he isn't one of the many who are being moved around like musical chairs because they can't keep their hands off the kids. I am not Catholic, nor do I believe anything about Christianity or the Bible, but I do believe that if someone has a strong enough faith in something, things can happen - whether they were guided by divine light or not. I am not a skeptic either, (I believe in my Native American beliefs) but I can't see in praying to a human being for such a "miracle". Besides, with the Church's reputation today, they will probably jump on just about anything to boost that reputation. Edited July 20, 2010 by Shadow_of_Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted July 20, 2010 #20 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) What if she prayed to win the lottery, she won and then could afford any type of medical care she needed with out worry. Would that be a god thing as well? Edit: I feel I should say I hope I didn't offend anyone by say what I did. Edited July 20, 2010 by The Silver Thong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 20, 2010 #21 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Strange things happen in the medical world,but I don't think that giving a Priest the kudos for it is healthy. With my first question being, "Why this woman?" Is there something so special about her that God would heal her while he watches tens of thousands of innocent children suffer horrible deaths every day? Why her and not the little boy who was taken by a killer on his way to school and raped repetedly then murdered slowly? Why her and not the tiny babies starving to death in the streets of thrid world countries? Why her and not all the others who fall to their knees every Sunday and praise his Glory? Why her? My point is, there is no God. Medical miracles happen and no one knows why. To say that it was a devine healing is silly and wishfull thinking. There is absolutly no EVIDENCE to prove that there is a God or devine healing. Why is everyone so quick to praise God for ONE miracle when there are millions of suffering children all around them? I always liked this excuse, "God never gives you more than you can handle", (please excuse me while I choke on that.) When God gets out there and performs a real miracle like saving some dieing children or saving lillte Johnny from rape and tourture, then and only then should people say it was God. It is selfish and ignorant to think that a real God would conduct business this way. It is stories like this that just confirm the fact that there is not God. One thing is almost for sure, with such a negative attitude if you ever have need of a "miraculous cure" you will probably not get one. How's that for fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted July 20, 2010 #22 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) One thing is almost for sure, with such a negative attitude if you ever have need of a "miraculous cure" you will probably not get one. How's that for fair. That was a joke right? ha ha you don't believe in my god so you better not expect a good god to help you sort of joke right Thank GOODNESS science came to be! Edited July 20, 2010 by The Silver Thong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 20, 2010 #23 Share Posted July 20, 2010 That was a joke right? ha ha you don't believe in my god so you better not expect a good god to help you sort of joke right Thank GOODNESS science came to be! That's not what I meant at all silverthong. What I meant/believe is that it was this womans positive attitude and faith that she would be cured is what cured her, and someone who is hostile to that basically has an attitude that would mean thier death with a similar disease. Does that make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_of_Man Posted July 20, 2010 #24 Share Posted July 20, 2010 One thing is almost for sure, with such a negative attitude if you ever have need of a "miraculous cure" you will probably not get one. How's that for fair. Actually the description is more accurate of the Creator for other belief systems other than those based on the bible. For many of us, the Creator could care less about the individual's situation, Creator is more concerned with the greater picture, such as the universe, and not whether an individual being is asking the Creator for money, fame, or even health - which is probably why most prayers seem to go unanswered... because no Creation Spirit is listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotsocats100 Posted July 20, 2010 #25 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I am a strong believer in God and in miracles. I have seen a woman's brain tumor disappear between doctor visits without treatment because of prayer. I know that God works. When bad things happen, it's because man has free will. He (or she) doesn't have to listen to God or do what's right. There are horrible things and people in the world, but don't blame God. Mankind has defied him, yet he still loves us despite ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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