questionmark Posted August 27, 2010 #1 Share Posted August 27, 2010 In 2003, a month after coalition troops invaded, Jonathan Steele reported from across the country on how ordinary people had reacted to the toppling of Saddam. Before the last US combat troops pulled out last week, he returned to track down the people he had met – and ask how their lives had been affected by the war. In Saddam Hussein's home town of Tikrit, the ruins of the Farouk palace, one of his many mansions, stand bereft and strewn with rubble. It seems only yesterday that I walked through them with the first Iraqi looters in April 2003. Read more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Hound Posted August 28, 2010 #2 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Ashes to ashes, dust to dust" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted August 29, 2010 #3 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Everywhere you go in this battered country Iraqis compare their life with what it was under the dictator's rule. The comparison rarely favours the mokhtalin, the word for invaders or occupiers that many use instead of "the Americans" or "the British". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted August 29, 2010 Author #4 Share Posted August 29, 2010 ^ Not surprising, firstly humans have this funny tendency of seeing the past as "better" and second, nothing has improved in Iraq since the war but every family has lost somebody in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted August 29, 2010 #5 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Nothing has improved? Do you have any evidence for this claim? Are there still “rape chambers” in police stations? Is there still no freedom of speech or freedom of any kind? Is there still genocide? A lot has changed for Iraq, and definitely for the better. Everybody who lost loved ones in the war sacrificed as much as anybody else. If an Iraqi family lost a brother and a father, and an American family lost 1 husband, they've all sacrificed as much as each other. Body counts and destroyed buildings are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted August 29, 2010 #6 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Nothing has improved? A lot has changed for Iraq, and definitely for the better. LOL... read the article attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted August 29, 2010 #7 Share Posted August 29, 2010 LOL... read the article attached. I'm sure it's simply made up of anecdotes. I can point to numerous Iraqis saying their lives have improved. It doesn't prove anything; it's not an objective way of determining whether post-war Iraq is better than pre-war Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-Unexpected-Soul Posted August 29, 2010 #8 Share Posted August 29, 2010 how ironic , amirecans want to kill their way into improving the iraqis lifes by force , a couple of Mosques might be destroyed here or there , it's okay but it's not okay to Build a Mosque near the WTC towers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted August 29, 2010 #9 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Going to war mostly had nothing to do with improving their lives. Improving their lives is simply a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted August 30, 2010 #10 Share Posted August 30, 2010 how ironic , amirecans want to kill their way into improving the iraqis lifes by force , a couple of Mosques might be destroyed here or there , it's okay but it's not okay to Build a Mosque near the WTC towers I don't think either are okay...and neither is this... http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/08/201082682343489618.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted August 30, 2010 #11 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Going to war mostly had nothing to do with improving their lives. Improving their lives is simply a bonus. er...what did we go to war for then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted August 31, 2010 #12 Share Posted August 31, 2010 er...what did we go to war for then? Feel free to read the Authorization and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted August 31, 2010 Author #13 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Feel free to read the Authorization and find out. Wow, we went to war because somebody lied to Congress. Hope they find them and lock 'em up in Leavenworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted August 31, 2010 #14 Share Posted August 31, 2010 er...what did we go to war for then? To make some rich Americans (and British) richer. AP IMPACT: US wasted billions in rebuilding Iraq KHAN BANI SAAD, Iraq – A $40 million prison sits in the desert north of Baghdad, empty. A $165 million children's hospital goes unused in the south. A $100 million waste water treatment system in Fallujah has cost three times more than projected, yet sewage still runs through the streets.As the U.S. draws down in Iraq, it is leaving behind hundreds of abandoned or incomplete projects. More than $5 billion in American taxpayer funds has been wasted — more than 10 percent of the some $50 billion the U.S. has spent on reconstruction in Iraq, according to audits from a U.S. watchdog agency. That amount is likely an underestimate, based on an analysis of more than 300 reports by auditors with the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction. And it does not take into account security costs, which have run almost 17 percent for some projects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100830/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_iraq_us_reconstruction_legacy;_ylt=AlttYAjOh7hC3DyudKUYmHCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFoZDRkajhiBHBvcwMyNQRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNhcGltcGFjdHVzd2E- Iraq of new - brought to you by many US corporations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regeneratia Posted August 31, 2010 #15 Share Posted August 31, 2010 (edited) how ironic , amirecans want to kill their way into improving the iraqis lifes by force , a couple of Mosques might be destroyed here or there , it's okay but it's not okay to Build a Mosque near the WTC towers Not all Americans, this ex traditional GOP member fought like hades to keep us from illegally invading Iraq. I actually spent a good amount of time fighting against the invasion. Bush was not elected for president, ... ever. During his first presidential campaign, it was entirely obvious he was going to war with Iraq. Now why do you suppose 9-11 happened? I mean, not the "official story" but the real reason why it happened? Edited August 31, 2010 by regeneratia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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