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How about millions of people throughout human history observing that it's real.

You mean millions of people assuming its real, and havin subjective experiences.

Doesnt count. Welcome to reality.

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Assuming there is one to prove. I wish someone had already, and ended this debate.

I am really very busy :innocent: at the moment...but I am working on changing that.... :yes:

Seeker79, your response constitutes a Fallacy in relation to Logic...Agent Mulder, the proverbial "beat" goes on....

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Now only if someone could prove the spirit/soul is something real.

Have they done tests to show if 'Healing'.. 'Prayer'.. can visibly affect one on a mitochondrial level?

I have a feeling it might..

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You mean millions of people assuming its real, and havin subjective experiences.

Doesnt count. Welcome to reality.

So you personally have taken part in modern sceintific experiments, an wittnessed and can repeat the result. Because if you havnt you are trusting the experimenters subjective observations, and I can asure you that millions of people have dirct exeperiance with the spirit world and the results are repeatable.

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So you personally have taken part in modern sceintific experiments, an wittnessed and can repeat the result. Because if you havnt you are trusting the experimenters subjective observations, and I can asure you that millions of people have dirct exeperiance with the spirit world and the results are repeatable.

It is very possible Agent Mulder that those raised in Indigenous cultures know this better than you do...I have made that clear in the past...

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Have they done tests to show if 'Healing'.. 'Prayer'.. can visibly affect one on a mitochondrial level?

I have a feeling it might..

Not to my knowledge, but they may have shown that placebos help (obviously), but not on the level your speaking. Not sure, they may have.

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It is very possible Agent Mulder that those raised in Indigenous cultures know this better than you do...I have made that clear in the past...

Many things are possible. But, in this case, it may just mean the people have a better understanding, or connection with something that has still yet to be proven (and may never will be). But, they may still be closer to it/the idea that someone else.

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So you personally have taken part in modern sceintific experiments, an wittnessed and can repeat the result. Because if you havnt you are trusting the experimenters subjective observations, and I can asure you that millions of people have dirct exeperiance with the spirit world and the results are repeatable.

Who are the millions that have been in tests? What tests?

All you have is conjecture (and you dont know a million people). You only have the idea, and belief in someones story that they have experienced something "spiritual" seeker (with whatever definition a person may have for that).

Aside from subjective experience, theres nothing at all.

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Many things are possible. But, in this case, it may just mean the people have a better understanding, or connection with something that has still yet to be proven (and may never will be). But, they may still be closer to it/the idea that someone else.

Today, if I was a mystic capable of telepathy, remote viewing and telekinesis the last thing I would want is to prove it was valid....I might want to suggest it is, but as far as proving it???? That would take away an advantage...Despite that, I feel it will eventually be proven....

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Today, if I was a mystic capable of telepathy, remote viewing and telekinesis the last thing I would want is to prove it was valid....I might want to suggest it is, but as far as proving it???? That would take away an advantage...Despite that, I feel it will eventually be proven....

Well, thats arguably one of the most ridiculous things Ive personally heard in a long time.

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Well, thats arguably one of the most ridiculous things Ive personally heard in a long time.

I disagree completely...Such a person could work for the NSA perhaps even related to how it is run...You are assuming it is impossible, but that has not been scientifically verified....in the context of public information...

Any thoughts?

PS: In my opinion what is ridiculous is to suggest the paranormal is impossible..

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Mitochondrial's move around the cell and provide energy...consider a "submarine", in an enviroment. Who's responsibility, is to collect energy from a source tht is provided, from a gateway. The "submarine" collects the energy an then tranfers it to all the parts of the cell and thus the cell remains alive.

Jung in relation to all of this presented the issue of the Collective unconscious

Any thoughts?

I'm still not seeing how the cells communicate with each other. Like people within the collective unconscious, how do they communicate without any sort of physical contact? Jungs experiments proved this to a certain extent: that connections are made not only through space(collective unconscious) but through time as well. Do cells operate like that on an individual level? They just know?

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I'm still not seeing how the cells communicate with each other. Like people within the collective unconscious, how do they communicate without any sort of physical contact? Jungs experiments proved this to a certain extent: that connections are made not only through space(collective unconscious) but through time as well. Do cells operate like that on an individual level? They just know?

Cells in plants and animals have an equivalent in single cells versions...unlike those, they are interconnected....Space and time are substances.... as is matter and energy...

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I'm still not seeing how the cells communicate with each other. Like people within the collective unconscious, how do they communicate without any sort of physical contact? Jungs experiments proved this to a certain extent: that connections are made not only through space(collective unconscious) but through time as well. Do cells operate like that on an individual level? They just know?

Research into AHL based quorum sensing started in the late 1960s. The marine bioluminescent bacteria Vibrio fischeri was being grown in liquid cultures and it was observed that the cultures produced light only when large numbers of bacteria were present (Greenberg, 1997). The initial explanation for this was that the culture media contained an inhibitor of luminescence, which was removed by the bacteria when large numbers were present (Kempner & Hanson, 1968). This was suggested because when grown in media "conditioned" by preliminary exposure to the bacteria, luminescence could be induced even at low cell densities. It was later shown that the luminescence was initiated not by the removal of an inhibitor but by the accumulation of an activator molecule or "autoinducer" (Nealson et al, 1970, Eberhard, 1972). This molecule is made by the bacteria and activates luminescence when it has accumulated to a high enough concentration.

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Sensing Plants – the Backster Effect

Backster’s School of Lie Detection, San Diego, specialises in training intelligence organisations and police departments in the use of lie detectors.

One part of a lie detector measures the galvanic skin response (GSR) of a subject. The GSR is a measure of the resistance of the subject’s skin to a small electrical current, indicating a change in their level of physiological arousal.

Early one morning in October 1966, Mr Backster connected the polygraph’s GSR electrodes to the leaf of a Dragon plant and then watered the base of the plant. His intention was to measure the amount of time it would take for water to reach the leaf and change its electrical resistance.

While expecting a drop in resistance as the water entered the leaf, Mr Baxter was not prepared for what followed – the resistance instead increased, and according to the polygraph results, the plant generated a curve similar to that of a human being experiencing happiness.

Mr Backster then tried another experiment. “It was early in the morning and no other person was in the laboratory. My thought and intent was: ‘I’m going to burn that leaf!’” Backster recorded, “The very moment the imagery of burning that leaf entered my mind, the polygraph recording pen moved rapidly to the top of the chart.”

He went to get a box of matches and returned, but realised the polygraph was already so agitated that there would be no observable response. So he took the matches back to his secretary’s office. According to Mr Backster, when he returned to the polygraph “the thing just evened right out again, which really rounded it out and gave me a very, very high quality observation.”

Over the next 35 years Mr Backster performed repeated blind, controlled and automated experiments to examine this phenomenon, which he calls “Primary Perception Biocommunication”, and others know as “the Backster Effect”.

His research found, among other things, that plants can perceive and measurably respond to intentional human thought and actions. Allegedly, Mr Backster’s experiments have been duplicated by scientists thousands of times using many variations."[/i]

1969 Marcel [Joseph Vogel] gave a course in creativity for engineers at IBM. It was at this time that he read an article in Argosy magazine entitled “Do Plants Have Emotions?” about the work of polygraph expert Cleve Backster into the responsiveness of plants to human interaction. Despite initial rejection of the concept of human-plant communication, he decided to explore these strange claims.

He was able to duplicate the Backster effect of using plants as transducers for bio-energetic fields that the human mind releases, demonstrating that plants respond to thought. He used split leaf philodendrons connected to a Wheatstone Bridge that would compare a known resistance to an unknown resistance. He learned that when he released his breath slowly there was virtually no response from the plant. When he pulsed his breath through the nostrils, as he held a thought in mind, the plant would respond dramatically. It was also found that these fields, linked to the action of breath and thought, do not have a significant time domain to them. The responsiveness of the plants to thought was also the same whether eight inches away, eight feet, or eight thousand miles! Based on the results of the experiments the inverse square law does not apply to thought. This was the beginning of Marcel’s transformation from being a purely rational scientist to becoming a spiritual or mystical scientist.

Basically it was found that plants respond more to the thought of being cut, burned, or torn than to the actual act. He discovered that if he tore a leaf from one plant a second plant would respond, but only if he was paying attention to it. The plants seemed to be mirroring his own mental responses. He concluded that the plants were acting like batteries, storing the energy of his thoughts and intentions. He said of these experiments: “I learned that there is energy connected with thought. Thought can be pulsed and the energy connected with it becomes coherent and has a laser-like power.”(Rumi Da, purveyor of fine crystals).*"

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Plants seem to operate on chemical messaging/sensing... just like animals and sense the chemicals emmited in fear... anger...peace...

plants also appear to respond to music.... so sound waves are important... is it all about vibration??

"Playing the right tune stimulates the formation of a plant's protein. "The length of a note corresponds to the real time it takes for each amino acid to come after the next," according to Sternheimer, who studied quantum physics and mathematics at Princeton University in New Jersey.

In experiments by Sternheimer, he claims that tomatoes exposed to his melodies grew two-and-a-half times as large as those which were untreated. Some of the treated plants were sweeter in addition to being significantly larger. The musical sequences stimulated three tomato growth promoters, cytochrome C, and thaumatin (a flavoring compound). According to Sternheimer in the New Scientist, "Six molecules were being played to the tomatoes for a total of three minutes a day."

Sternheimer also claims to have stopped the mosaic virus by playing note sequences that inhibited enzymes required by the virus. This virus would have harmed the tomato plants.

The note sequences used by the inventor are very short and need only be played one time. For example, the sequence for for cytochrome C lasts just 29 seconds. According to Sternheimer, "on average, you get four amino acids played per second" in this series.

The inventor also issued a warning for those repeating his experiments. He warns to be careful with the sound sequences because they can affect people. "Don't ask a musician to play them," he says. Sternheimer indicated that one of his musicians had difficulty breathing after playing the tune for cytochrome C."

sound..chemicals... moods all have vibration.....and all seem to be detectable at some level...conscious or subconscious maybe only at DNA level for some...who are so distracted with life and living, that there awareness levels are desensitized....

Hence the modern push towards meditation...and to accasionally 'stop and smell the roses'...take stock....

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'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other

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The authors of the new study carried out a series of experiments in order to test the theory, first developed in 2001 by two members of this team, that long pieces of identical double-stranded DNA could identify each other merely as a result of complementary patterns of electrical charges which they both carry. They wanted to verify that this could indeed occur without physical contact between the two molecules, or the facilitating presence of proteins.

Previous studies have suggested that proteins are involved in the recognition process when it occurs between short strands of DNA which only have about 10 pairs of chemical bases. This new research shows that much longer strands of DNA with hundreds of pairs of chemical bases seem able to recognise each other as a whole without protein involvement. According to the theory, this recognition mechanism is stronger the longer the genes are.

The researchers observed the behaviour of fluorescently tagged DNA molecules in a pure solution. They found that DNA molecules with identical patterns of chemical bases were approximately twice as likely to gather together than DNA molecules with different sequences.

Professor Alexei Kornyshev from Imperial College London, one of the study's authors, explains the significance of the team's results: "Seeing these identical DNA molecules seeking each other out in a crowd, without any external help, is very exciting indeed. This could provide a driving force for similar genes to begin the complex process of recombination without the help of proteins or other biological factors. Our team's experimental results seem to support these expectations."

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Who are the millions that have been in tests? What tests?

All you have is conjecture (and you dont know a million people). You only have the idea, and belief in someones story that they have experienced something "spiritual" seeker (with whatever definition a person may have for that).

Aside from subjective experience, theres nothing at all.

Go talk To any anthropoloigists and they sill tell that the experience of spiritual travelers accross human history is nearly Identicle. It is well documented for people that choose to READ.

In fact I would argue that there are many more people that have had the spiritual experience of the light at the end of the tunnel, than have personally performed say the double slit experiment. What makes an observation real? How many people that observe and can reproduce it. Well in that case astrial travel has got a legg up on all scientific experiments, because there are millions of more people that have conducted the necessary steps to produce it. How many people have reproduced the experiment of wether the earth is a sphere rather than flat. Have you mulder have you personally wittnessed the sphericle nature of the earth? Or did you just take someones word for it. I'm not saying the earth is flat, as Mr. Mulder here will inevitably fixate on, but honestly I have not flown into space to wittness it, so I have to have FAITH in the people that tell me it's that way.

People that talk without personal experience are engaging in faith no matter how you look at it. So mulder, I ask you again. Have you any personal experience in these matters scientific or otherwise? Unless you personaly performed Science and activly engaged in it, or you have some sort of real knowledge, that you have obtained other than what others tell you, you have no leggs to stand on. Science in our other arguments you have failed to back up any of your statements with any kind of real information, I will have to assume you have not educated your self on any of it, and really can't have a inteligent conversation about it.

And MR. Mulder, what if I could teach you to travel to the spirit world. If you gave me four months of regular practice, I can almost gurantee you you would be able to travel. Even if you were still a sceptic, you would have a highly useful skill.

And yes

Science cannot deal yet with the other realms because it is objective while most of our reality is subjective. it is hard to understand this, but Einstein touched on it with relativity. Time and time again the answers that sceientist come up with point that there is sooooooo much more to our reality than we understand.

1) relativity, we are all in our own little space time

2) particle wave duality. Everything is in a state of superposition until observed by an observer. I posted a link to a video several pages back.. Also look up the delayed choice experiments.

3) dark matter; There is litterally five times as much material around us that we cannot interact with on a physical level. We only know it's there because of gravity. The gifted and the disaplined have been saying this for milenia.

4) string theory. The universe is made up of vibrating strings.... In eleven dimensions.... some of which are beyond microscopic that all of this universe exist in. Yup u are about a planeck distance from everything in the universe. And u thought it would be hard to travel to the stars....turns out you are already there. At least in most spacial dimensions just not in the three that you are aware of. Oh yeah. Ever hear of the muses....entities that create reality by plucking strings....hmmmm vibrating strings make up the universe. coincidence. Maby.

4) the holographic principle of the universe similar stuff as above. 

I can go on and on and on.

Look, modern sceince has become a faith, that has it's own dogma. It's useful until sceintist avoid implications of their own work as to not be ostrisized by their peers. Who would get published if they discussed travelers like me might be interecting with dark matter somehow.

Dam milman put it perfectly in his book "the way of the peacful warrior"

(going off my memory here)

where are you right now?

On my coach.

Where is that?

In this town.

Where is that? 

In this state.

Where is that?

In this country.

Where is that?

On this planet 

in this solar system

in this galaxy

in this universe

wher is that?

I don't know.

See the diference between u and me is that U think you know where you are at even though ultimatly u don't have a clue. I know I don't know. I may be a fool but you are a foolish jackass. (something like that).

Science is a very useful tool. But when it becomes a religion it is just as harmful to human progress as the rest of them.

Also I'm not sure what people mean by  spiritual experience is not prooven. It obviosly is happening. As to the exact sceintific nature of it. Well we don't even know the exact sceintific nature of our physical reality. And to say people are just trying to get attention is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard considering the practice is older than we have historical information for. And comeing from a body of people (modern scientist and their followers) who cannot possibly even be taken seriously unless their peers accept their work. Who really needs the attention. Look a sceintist with No experience on the spritual side of things is a one dimensional commentor. A traveler who is also a sceintist is in a better position. A person who is neither and just goes with popular opinion with out ever backing their positions up like mulder here, well their just irelevent.

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Maybe it is worth exploring Psychobotany...

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vast majority of modern people who encounter the idea of human/plant communication—or “psychobotany,” as we prefer to call it—find it strange. But it’s equally strange that this viewpoint has become normalized. After all, anthropologists largely agree that people have been attempting communication with the plant kingdom for as long as there have been plants and people. So why is it considered “abnormal” to attempt communication with plants today? And what can we hope to accomplish by entering into such a conversation in the first place?

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the transgene silencing found in plant and alcohol????

"gene silencing induced by homologous RNA plays an important role in protection against viruses and mobile genetic elements while also serving a regulatory function during development. "

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and the most marvelous of all..

DNA Music!!!

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Alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) is an enzyme that makes it possible for humans to drink beer, wine, and other alcoholic beverages. However, its "real" function is thought to be the conversion of alcohol generated by bacteria in the intestine to other metabolic products. Individuals with some mutant forms of ADH may be especially sensitve to alcohol. The molecule is a dimer made either of two identical or two different chains. Three of the possible sequences, alpha, beta, and gamma, are represented in the music; their slightly different sequences are listed below. The beta sequence has regions of alpha helix, beta strands and turns marked; the alpha and gamma sequences have been aligned to make comparison of the three sequences easy. The many beta strands in the protein combine to form a beta-barrel -- a suitable form for an enzyme of this type! The ADH gene itself seems to have been duplicated twice in humans; three ADH genes are closely associated on the same chromosome.
In his landmark book Godel, Escher, Bach, Douglas Hofstadter comments on similarities between genes and music. The analogy is explicit in the following quote (Vintage Books Edition, 1980, p. 519).

Imagine the mRNA to be like a long piece of magnetic recording tape, and the ribosome to be like a tape recorder. As the tape passes through the playing head of the recorder, it is "read" and converted into music, or other sounds...When a "tape" of mRNA passes through the "playing head" of a ribosome, the "notes" produced are amino acids and the pieces of music they make up are proteins.

Hofstadter also discusses how meaning is constructed in protein and in music (p. 525):

•Music is not a mere linear sequence of notes. Our minds perceive pieces of music on a level far higher than that. We chunk notes into phrases, phrases into melodies, melodies into movements, and movements into full pieces. similarly proteins only make sense when they act as chunked units. Although a primary structure carries all the information for the tertiary structure to be created, it still "feels" like less, for its potential is only realized when the tertiary structure is actually physically created.

The individuals and teams described below have taken advantage of the multiple biochemical and biophysical properties of both DNA and proteins to make the genetic patterns of these macromolecules audible. As Hofstadter first suggested, music is a natural medium for expressing the complex patterns of proteins and their encoding DNAs. Both consist of a linear sequence of elements whose real meaning lies in their combinations.

Hayashi and Munakata , using a system that assigned pitches to the four DNA bases according to their thermal stability within the interval of a fifth, found that converting the DNA sequences to music helped to expose the meaning of specific sequences and made remembering and recognizing specific DNA patterns easier. Dr. Munakata has continued to explore music as way of understanding gene and protein sequences. A more detailed exposition of his ideas and samples of his musical translations of DNA and protein sequences can be found at his beautiful web site at:

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More evidence of how the universe works vibrationally..

Not some of those who have really immersed themselves spiritually say that a form of harmonic vibrational music is felt.. heard..

It can explain Mozart's work.. how we can visualize his music.. how he was "inspired"

another telling thing is the well known Irish Jig.. when we convert the alcahol DNA to music it sounds like this..

Notes on the music:

This sequence, like the sequence for Calmodulin, produces a musical line with a natural dance rhythm -- this time a tune with triplet rhythm like an Irish jig. Percussive beats throughout the piece accentuate this triplet rhythm. The sequence is played completely through three times. The first two times, different instruments -- various flutes, reed instruments and plucked strings -- take up the tune in turn, playing first the beta, the alpha and gamma sequences, and finally all three together. Occasional differences between sequences can be heard as chords within overall unison. The third time, the tune is played in one voice, while three others represent the alpha, beta and turn segments of the protein. The sequence then plays through a final time, ending with a single voice and drumbeats.

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They have reformed the site.. so..

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but there is..

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found it....

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You can hear where the instictive Irish Jig music comes from...

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Well, thats arguably one of the most ridiculous things Ive personally heard in a long time.

You are a very poor sceptic my friend. Back it up.

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I have FAITH in much of the science that I know of ( astronomy, quantum physics....etc) because I have not done the experiments myself. I have trust in alot of scintists and their atempts at objectivity. Even though being human demands that all observations be subjective.

I have zero Faith in spirituality, because it is all subjective. I only have personal experiences. Luckily these experiences are nearly I denticle to many others, also luckily I had them before I knew about the others. That is a much more powerful reality than trusting sceintists so completely. What would happen if all of a sudden we found out sceintists were way off about the nature of the Dopler effect. A huge house of cards would come down. And indeed as scientists know, and as history prooves evenchually it will. What then. Do we say that the old OBJECTIVE science was subjective and the new is right, change are World view because somone else does only to change again when something else changes.

Folks we only have our subjective experiences, that's it. Or universe is subjective, relative, personal, we are human. And no matter how hard you try tr try try, you are never going to have an objective experience. People like Mulder live in a fantasy world that has faith that there actualy is an objective reality. Nop. Quantum mechanics has already told us that. --------Everything is in a state of super position until observed/measured----- Shroders cat is neither dead or alive until observed-----only observers can snap the world into an objective state, and observers are by nature subjective.

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Agent Mulder keep in mind there is no functional basis for your conclusion and that has been addressed....

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I am really very busy :innocent: at the moment...but I am working on changing that.... :yes:

Seeker79, your response constitutes a Fallacy in relation to Logic...Agent Mulder, the proverbial "beat" goes on....

Interesting

I always thought that scientists thought that repeatable results constitue a very strong position.

If this is true, then all the shamen and others like them that have nearly I denticle experiences should constitute some sort of beleivable reality. This would number in the millions or more if you count those in the past. Maby hundreds of millions.

Maby I'm wrong, but I'm sure there are not that many people who have personly observed say the results of the double slit experiment. Just because it is reported as objective does not mean that it is. I'm not saying their wrong about it, I have faith in those sceintists.....but that is what it is faith. My experienced in the spiritual world are real observable facts in my world and are shared by millions. Vibrations, guides, sensations, the nature of the other realm, how certain kinds of spirits behave....,,we all have these experiences independantly.

You tell me what is more logical.

I don't see how that logic is flawed.

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In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning in argumentation. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener or interlocutor (e.g. appeal to emotion), or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument, making fallacies more difficult to diagnose. Also, the components of the fallacy may be spread out over separate arguments.

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To claim something is correct because many people agree with its correctness is a fallacy of logic.

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Hmmmm ok

a man that backs up what he says. I like it.

Now, just because that rule of logic (which I have not studied logic) says an argument like that's is illogical, does not mean that it does not carry weight. It may not be absolute truth, but it can be offered as evidence. that is all I was doing. Logical evidence? Well you tell me. Is it logical to give more weight to the experiences of many as oposed to the experiences of the few?

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The frequency with which scientists fabricate and falsify data, or commit other forms of scientific misconduct is a matter of controversy. Many surveys have asked scientists directly whether they have committed or know of a colleague who committed research misconduct, but their results appeared difficult to compare and synthesize. This is the first meta-analysis of these surveys.

To standardize outcomes, the number of respondents who recalled at least one incident of misconduct was calculated for each question, and the analysis was limited to behaviours that distort scientific knowledge: fabrication, falsification, “cooking” of data, etc… Survey questions on plagiarism and other forms of professional misconduct were excluded. The final sample consisted of 21 surveys that were included in the systematic review, and 18 in the meta-analysis.

A pooled weighted average of 1.97% (N = 7, 95%CI: 0.86–4.45) of scientists admitted to have fabricated, falsified or modified data or results at least once –a serious form of misconduct by any standard– and up to 33.7% admitted other questionable research practices. In surveys asking about the behaviour of colleagues, admission rates were 14.12% (N = 12, 95% CI: 9.91–19.72) for falsification, and up to 72% for other questionable research practices. Meta-regression showed that self reports surveys, surveys using the words “falsification” or “fabrication”, and mailed surveys yielded lower percentages of misconduct. When these factors were controlled for, misconduct was reported more frequently by medical/pharmacological researchers than others.

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Research suggests this is but a small fraction of all the incidents of fabrication, falsification and plagiarism. In a survey published June 9 in the journal Nature, about 1.5 percent of 3,247 researchers who responded admitted to falsification or plagiarism. (One in three admitted to some type of professional misbehavior.)

On the night of his 12th wedding anniversary, Dr. Andrew Friedman was terrified.

This brilliant surgeon and researcher at Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School feared that he was about to lose everything — his career, his family, the life he'd built — because his boss was coming closer and closer to the truth:

For the past three years, Friedman had been faking — actually making up — data in some of the respected, peer-reviewed studies he had published in top medical journals.

"It is difficult for me to describe the degree of panic and irrational thought that I was going through," he would later tell an inquiry panel at Harvard.

On this night, March 13, 1995, he had been ordered in writing by his department chair to clear up what appeared to be suspicious data.

But Friedman didn't clear things up.

"I did something which was the worst possible thing I could have done," he testified.

He went to the medical record room, and for the next three or four hours he pulled out permanent medical files of a handful of patients. Then, covered up his lies, scribbling in the information he needed to support his study.

"I created data. I made it up. I also made up patients that were fictitious," he testified.

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