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Who's Afraid of Shariah ?

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Lion6969

Perhaps it would be better to guide ourselves by the documents created by our founding fathers, rather than majority rules. If the "majority" wished to go back to days of slavery, would that be ok for you?

Mob rule makes for a poor governmental system, and the rights we have in this country make sure that ridiculous things like sharia law cannot happen, ever. Religion itself has been nothing but a factor of hate and power plays, and in this modern age is no longer needed. Sharia law is simply more of the same. There are countries that have it; if people wish to experience the joy of sharia law, let them move to a country that already has it in place.

I'm talking about majority who with vigour and will make a change like America did for it's revolution, France, Romania etc. Religion does cause wars but the biggest two mankind has ever faced were a result of secular values not religious

Bullets don't kill people, people kill people man makes war, sometimes the backdrop is religion and sometimes it's greed, oppression, tyranny, secular imperialism etc. Man just needs a reason sometimes but to use a sweeping brush on religion only is not correct.

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markprice

I'm talking about majority who with vigour and will make a change like America did for it's revolution,...

No, this is nothing like the American revolution.

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Pseudo Intellectual

Let me put in away you might understand me better. If you want freedom and democracy but are ruled by dictatorship, you protest etc, democracy won't come until the people demand it, revolutions. The same applies for shariah. If the majority demand it then so be it.

Okay, so if the majority (say, 51%) wanted Sharia, you'd support forcing Sharia on the 49% who don't want it? In other words, you do support forcing Sharia on people?

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xris

Let me put in away you might understand me better. If you want freedom and democracy but are ruled by dictatorship, you protest etc, democracy won't come until the people demand it, revolutions. The same applies for shariah. If the majority demand it then so be it.

As for the rest of the garbage posted by some on this thread ( not you ), are bigoted, ignorant and rely on their knowledge from the media and have knee jerk reactions to senastionlist headlines etc.

Do you support democracy, as we see in it in the west? Do you believe that once sharia is in place it can be replaced? Show me one successful Muslim state that has sharia, that you can show me as good example, just one? Or just one historically.

Tell me what rights have the none believers under sharia, do they have to pay a non believers tax? So when we have sharia you would execute all active homosexuals? would stone adulterers? would you want a rape victim to supply four witnesses in her defence?

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markprice

So when we have sharia you would execute all active homosexuals? would stone adulterers? would you want a rape victim to supply four witnesses in her defence?

For now the simple anwser is yes to shariah in an Islamic state where all the punishments are included.

That is my abbreviated impression of this argument.

I find it truly horrifying.

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maca02

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I dont know what the reasoning is behind the protests in the US but I object to its implications in the UK. We have fought for centuries to remove faith from the act of law, now sharia is being introduced by the back door. One law for all our citizens. In parts of the UK its not only being used for civil matters, of which I object, but also criminal offences within the Muslim community. If you adopt a country you must act within thats countries laws. No Muslim country would allow you act out side of their laws.

Example please "but also criminal offences"

as yet i am unaware of any criminal offences being judged by Sharia law in the uk, whatever the comunity you live in <_<

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ninjadude

Okay, so if the majority (say, 51%) wanted Sharia, you'd support forcing Sharia on the 49% who don't want it? In other words, you do support forcing Sharia on people?

Do you Pseudo support only forcing the US Constitution on 49% percent of Americans or does it apply to everyone? The law of a country usually applies to ALL of it's citizens. I have no idea what point you attempting to display.

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Pseudo Intellectual

Do you Pseudo support only forcing the US Constitution on 49% percent of Americans or does it apply to everyone? The law of a country usually applies to ALL of it's citizens. I have no idea what point you attempting to display.

My point? I'm just trying to find out if Lion supports hanging homosexuals who don't support Sharia law (and thus the punishment for homosexuality). Nothing to do with legality here, just morality.

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ninjadude

My point? I'm just trying to find out if Lion supports hanging homosexuals who don't support Sharia law (and thus the punishment for homosexuality). Nothing to do with legality here, just morality.

Sharia law = legality. So it has everything to do with it. IF that's the law in that country, they get to do all manner of craziness. Pretty much how it works. Laws can or cannot be based on morality. I believe Sharia is, based on what people say. So morality, legality or not, if they want to shoot blue eyed purple people, they can. Unless you're claiming that your morals are somehow superior. I wouldn't recommend that.

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Thalassa

Shariah law will NEVER be on the books in America, so I am not the least bit concerned about it. I would rather have my head cut off than to deny Jesus as Lord.

I am not at all bothered by muslims in general. They are humans too and should be treated as such, but I do wish they would quit lopping off the heads of the Christian converts in countries where Shariah law is on the books. Just a thought.

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Pseudo Intellectual

Sharia law = legality. So it has everything to do with it. IF that's the law in that country, they get to do all manner of craziness. Pretty much how it works. Laws can or cannot be based on morality. I believe Sharia is, based on what people say. So morality, legality or not, if they want to shoot blue eyed purple people, they can. Unless you're claiming that your morals are somehow superior. I wouldn't recommend that.

Once again, this discussion isn't about law. It's about the morality of, among other things, hanging homosexuals, stoning rape-victims who can't provide enough witnesses, and treating women like cattle.

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xris

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Example please "but also criminal offences"

as yet i am unaware of any criminal offences being judged by Sharia law in the uk, whatever the comunity you live in <_<

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513218/A-brutal-beating-justice-meted-humble-street-cafe-sharia-law-operates-Britain.html the bbc also reported on its use if you care to search...

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Lion6969

No, this is nothing like the American revolution.

I know I never said this was you ain't even got a clue what I'm talking about.

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Lion6969

Okay, so if the majority (say, 51%) wanted Sharia, you'd support forcing Sharia on the 49% who don't want it? In other words, you do support forcing Sharia on people?

I think ninja dude took the words out of my mouth. I know your games. A leading majority ok.

Now for and xris an example. This is what happens when Muslim apply secular democracy and elections.

Algeria had been dominated for decades by a one-party dictatorship under the National Liberation Front (FLN). Because the FLN was socialist and had a strong secular elite and feminist movement, few took the Islamic movement seriously; moreover, the movement had been among the least well known of the country's groups outside its borders, even among Islamists. The stunning victory of the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS), an umbrella group, in 1990 municipal elections sent a shock wave around the globe.

Despite the arrest of front leaders Abbasi Madani and Ali Belhadj; the cutoff of state funds to municipalities, often crippling FIS officials' ability to provide services; and gerrymandering to create districts more favorable to itself, the ruling party failed to prevent an even more stunning sweep by the FIS in parliamentary elections held in December 1991. As Islamists at home and across the Muslim world celebrated, the military intervened, forcing the resignation of Algeria's president, arresting FIS leaders, imprisoning more than 10,000 people in desert camps, and outlawing the front, and seizing its assets.

In the face of the repression much of the world stood silent. The conventional wisdom had been blind-sided. While most feared and were on their guard against "other Irans," the Islamic Salvation Front's victory in Algeria raised the specter of an Islamic movement coming to power through democratic elections and ballots worried many world leaders even more than bullets. The justification for accepting the Algerian military's seizure of power was the charge that the FIS really only believed in "One man, one vote, one time." The perceived threat from revolutionary Islam was intensified by the fear that it would capture power from within the political system by democratic means.

http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/articles/espo.html

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markprice

I know I never said this was you ain't even got a clue what I'm talking about.

You made the COMPARISON.

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Lion6969

You made the COMPARISON.

Well English is not your first language obviously. I made no COMPARISON the like of which you suggest. At no point on this thread have I said shariah in the USA or uk, pseudo with his silly questioning. I offered the comparison that when people want change they will get like America did against the Brits and established their own freedom and constitution, as well as other incidents around the world similar. So how did I compare this notion on the thread to a revolution or America. Typical of you I think!

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markprice

I'm talking about majority who with vigour and will make a change like America did for it's revolution, ...

Right there^

The American revolution occured for the exact opposite reasons to what you envision. Bad comparison IMO.

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Lion6969

Right there^

The American revolution occured for the exact opposite reasons to what you envision. Bad comparison IMO.

Your comprehension is appalling what context did I say this? It was in reply to pseudo who asked if shariah would be forced or applied etc. I said yes if the people demand it and compared that type of collective change with America and I will compare it with the change drmanded by people in America for Obama. End of it and don't put words in my mouth or twist what I said.

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maca02

ah the good old daily Heil, <_< There are no lawyers or policemen present and none of the majesty of the Old Bailey. But at a formica table in a Woolwich cafe, justice is being meted out with the same solemnity.

An alternative to the English judicial system is being enacted by elders of an immigrant population who are, quite literally, taking the law into their own hands.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513218/A-brutal-beating-justice-meted-humble-street-cafe-sharia-law-operates-Britain.html#ixzz0z4vuGbW5

so the judiciary where involved where ???????

hmmmm that will be nowhere, still why let the truth get in the way of a bit of rabble rousing :wacko:

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markprice

Your comprehension is appalling what context did I say this? It was in reply to pseudo who asked if shariah would be forced or applied etc. I said yes if the people demand it and compared that type of collective change with America and I will compare it with the change drmanded by people in America for Obama. End of it and don't put words in my mouth or twist what I said.

I wasn't commenting on the context; you made a terrible comparison, and you've done it again. Unless of course Obama called for sharia law. Even you must understand that America values freedom; to twist that into your fantasy agenda of moral slavery is still appalling.

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Lion6969

I wasn't commenting on the context; you made a terrible comparison, and you've done it again. Unless of course Obama called for sharia law. Even you must understand that America values freedom; to twist that into your fantasy agenda of moral slavery is still appalling.

Let me put it in kindergarten terns for you and read all my posts properly. I know what your game is!

No shariah in uk or USA

Shariah only in Muslim land if the Muslim have state of Islam within, therefore it will manifest outwardly.

If the people demand it like algerians did through democratic systems and means, then it will be applied.

Change will only come if people want it. Like Americans did to vote Obama or used their will, wealth, lives to gain freedom from an occupier or a tyrant like America did for independence. There is no comparisons being made regarding the respective systems ideology or culture, so I don't know where you get your twisted version of my words probably in that twisted head of yours. I curious as to how you will twist this as it is in laymen terms.

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markprice

Let me put it in kindergarten terns for you and read all my posts properly. I know what your game is!

No shariah in uk or USA

Shariah only in Muslim land if the Muslim have state of Islam within, therefore it will manifest outwardly.

If the people demand it like algerians did through democratic systems and means, then it will be applied.

Change will only come if people want it. Like Americans did to vote Obama or used their will, wealth, lives to gain freedom from an occupier or a tyrant like America did for independence. There is no comparisons being made regarding the respective systems ideology or culture, so I don't know where you get your twisted version of my words probably in that twisted head of yours. I curious as to how you will twist this as it is in laymen terms.

Okay try this on: you want democratic sharia law? No, because that's impossible. What you are talking about is a religious coup, and you are attempting to use America as an analogy when in reality America stands for the exact opposite. Now that's twisted!

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shadowhive

Let me put it in kindergarten terns for you and read all my posts properly. I know what your game is!

No shariah in uk or USA

Shariah only in Muslim land if the Muslim have state of Islam within, therefore it will manifest outwardly.

If the people demand it like algerians did through democratic systems and means, then it will be applied.

Change will only come if people want it. Like Americans did to vote Obama or used their will, wealth, lives to gain freedom from an occupier or a tyrant like America did for independence. There is no comparisons being made regarding the respective systems ideology or culture, so I don't know where you get your twisted version of my words probably in that twisted head of yours. I curious as to how you will twist this as it is in laymen terms.

Yeah, but people that voted for it wouldn't necessarily want the 'whole package'. I doubt the people that voted for it would want women treated as second class citizens or for people to be stoned or hanged. If Islam wants to be taken seriously, then Shariah needs to calm down.

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Pseudo Intellectual

I think ninja dude took the words out of my mouth. I know your games. A leading majority ok.

Okay, so you'd support forcing Sharia on the minority who don't want it? Good to know.

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The Silver Thong

Okay, so you'd support forcing Sharia on the minority who don't want it? Good to know.

Not to often we agree but imo Shariah law is a danger and should be feared. It's a violation of what the west considers law and grinds against it on purpose. Islam is more a form or government then religion and laws are passed in the house of representatives in any western nation. When Islam can not forcibly control it reverts to immigration and reproduction in order to obtain it's goals.

Moderates of Islam will deny this as they don't see it or will refuse to acknowledge it however it does not mean it is not the goal. Islam is out to dominate the world and they know they can not do it by force or by threats. Shariah law in it's most basic form should be feared and any introduction into the western world needs to be treated as a disease.

In saying that most muslims flee Shariah law as we can see why.

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