Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #26 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Syria has invaded before and killed innocent civilians. Syria has brought weapons before and continues to do so. Fact. I honestly don't think the media in Syria itself is what I, or anyone in a Western country would call "fair" or "balanced". I could also say the same about your posts. Every single one is "everyone criticizes Arabs" or "everyone picks on Arabs". Do you have any idea why such criticism is given? It isn't because we are all anti-Arab or anti-Islam, I'm certainly not, by the way. It's because certain groups act in certain ways which we think are inhumane and unjust. I don't think all Arabs are evil, but you seem to have this notion that everyone here is against the Arabs. Which is unproven and most certainly untrue. the thing is .. most people just ignore the pressure on syria from both israel and usa ... syria is a key to peace in middle east can you imgain wat would happen if an " islamic " country . like iran instead of syria was in syria's place ? you have an idea of the war might break out then ? i guess not still we have to take all the false criticize from all people but just think of what i said about and just imagin .. another iran next to israel and iraq .. and imagin what the siuation would be then criticize syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #27 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I'm slightly confused too. Is he saying that by choice people only have one policial party to avoid political upset? So everyone just agrees (whether or not they actually agree) for the sake of keeping peace? (Or rather for the sake of not upsetting the political leader(s) in charge?) I mean, I guess I see something positive about that...or something... ...or not. well let me put it straight the majority agree with what the leaders do then the lesser number who don't agree .. can't do anything about it coz we follow the majority opinion now ... look at lebanon it's falling apart we don't wanna end up like it then again one leader .. better than 10 and like they say too many cheifs will mess up the cooking .. when two parties ... try to fight for power seats .. that's when the nation grows weak lose peace and all coz attention will be turned to abtain power.. instead of taking care of the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroomi Posted September 20, 2010 #28 Share Posted September 20, 2010 lol, i don't know what to say, but this gives me a good idea of why the middle east is the way it is. brainwashing or people are just plain stupid? i don't know, but obviously western democracy and middle eastern are not the same... at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted September 20, 2010 Author #29 Share Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) lol, i don't know what to say, but this gives me a good idea of why the middle east is the way it is. brainwashing or people are just plain stupid? i don't know, but obviously western democracy and middle eastern are not the same... at all. If you believe that people in western democracies have much more of a choice than people elsewhere, then you don't understand how western democracy works. Almost all our candidates, including all Presidents and Prime Ministers, are pre-selected by those funding the campaigns. Is it better for us simply because we have the illusion of democracy and freedom of choice, etc.? At least most of those in the Middle East know they're suppressed.. we (most of us) actually think we have a choice... Edited September 20, 2010 by expandmymind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #30 Share Posted September 20, 2010 actually mushroom ... you think you can change anything of your country stand or attitude ?? you simply think you can make difference ? i doubt it .. so wheather it's democracy .. or suppression you saying we're all plain stupid ... why didn't you say that about usa ? when they waged wars all over the world ? just because they can make monkey outta of their president on tv doesn't mean they actually have choice as for more than 40 percent american were against bush wars ... did that made difference .. so give me a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted September 20, 2010 #31 Share Posted September 20, 2010 actually mushroom ... you think you can change anything of your country stand or attitude ?? you simply think you can make difference ? i doubt it .. so wheather it's democracy .. or suppression you saying we're all plain stupid ... why didn't you say that about usa ? when they waged wars all over the world ? just because they can make monkey outta of their president on tv doesn't mean they actually have choice as for more than 40 percent american were against bush wars ... did that made difference .. so give me a break I can't talk for the people in the USA, I can only talk for people living here in Holland. At some point we all realized our prime minister, Balkenende, had been lied at by the Americans about Iraq. That was the end of his time as prime minister. THAT is what a democracy is all about. Now YOU try that in that great country of yours, ruled by a dictator and an oppressing political party. Btw... NO civil war broke out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted September 20, 2010 #32 Share Posted September 20, 2010 If you believe that people in western democracies have much more of a choice than people elsewhere, then you don't understand how western democracy works. Almost all our candidates, including all Presidents and Prime Ministers, are pre-selected by those funding the campaigns. Is it better for us simply because we have the illusion of democracy and freedom of choice, etc.? At least most of those in the Middle East know they're suppressed.. we (most of us) actually think we have a choice... And yet there's been several times that elections have been decided on the campaign trail. A candidate goofs and the population react and vote in the other guy. So democracy isn't an illusion in that sense. As bad as they are I'll take Western governments over those in the Middle East any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroomi Posted September 20, 2010 #33 Share Posted September 20, 2010 And yet there's been several times that elections have been decided on the campaign trail. A candidate goofs and the population react and vote in the other guy. So democracy isn't an illusion in that sense. As bad as they are I'll take Western governments over those in the Middle East any day of the week. corp pretty much summed that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #34 Share Posted September 20, 2010 hahahaha come on .. why escaped my question about american democracy ? isn't they who fight wars bringing us " democracy " isn't like over 40% of usa people were against bush wars ? why democracy didn't do anything then ?? coz it's illusion but i understand why you love so much to believe it it's like mysterious fairytales .. people loves so much to believe it to escape the painful reality ... that it's all a lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted September 20, 2010 #35 Share Posted September 20, 2010 isn't like over 40% of usa people were against bush wars ? why democracy didn't do anything then ?? They did. We have elections every now and then. People can vote for anti-war candidates if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted September 20, 2010 Author #36 Share Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) And yet there's been several times that elections have been decided on the campaign trail. A candidate goofs and the population react and vote in the other guy. So democracy isn't an illusion in that sense. As bad as they are I'll take Western governments over those in the Middle East any day of the week. If you are referring to leadership roles then I think you'll find that all bets are hedged, so to speak. Look at who funds both campaigns - it's the same corporations. And I too would take Western societies over others but this does not mean we cannot criticise our system and look for ways to improve. Or understand the fundamental ways in which we are not as 'free' as we might like to think. And I also don't think that the only reason our societies are a better place to live is because of our form of government - although it is definitely a factor - but also because of our power. We have controlled the world's money and resources for a long time and this is what has led to the development of our societies. Along with numerous other factors of course. Edited September 20, 2010 by expandmymind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted September 20, 2010 #37 Share Posted September 20, 2010 hahahaha come on .. why escaped my question about american democracy ? isn't they who fight wars bringing us " democracy " isn't like over 40% of usa people were against bush wars ? why democracy didn't do anything then ?? coz it's illusion but i understand why you love so much to believe it it's like mysterious fairytales .. people loves so much to believe it to escape the painful reality ... that it's all a lie That is not a majority, which is what is required. A simple question...can you openly oppose your government without repercussions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #38 Share Posted September 20, 2010 They did. We have elections every now and then. People can vote for anti-war candidates if they want. i reliaze that .. it was coz of this i called it illusions because results overlooked .. goverment does what it wants so it's worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #39 Share Posted September 20, 2010 That is not a majority, which is what is required. A simple question...can you openly oppose your government without repercussions? yes ... there's tv series that does that in ways you couldn't even imagin ... now back to the question you " thought " you answered 40% isn't big enough to consider ? so they just igored 40% and went with majority ... that's what syria do .. goes with majority and trust me it's more than 60% so again .. what sets you above us in your so called " democracy ? since we both did the same .. went with majority why people are soo close minded .. or don't wanna think things over ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted September 20, 2010 #40 Share Posted September 20, 2010 i reliaze that .. it was coz of this i called it illusions because results overlooked .. goverment does what it wants so it's worthless How can election results be overlooked? If people vote someone out of power, they leave. No permission from the elected official is needed. If people vote a “warmonger” out of office, and the person they put in their place continues the war, that's a whole different matter. It simply means people should vote for someone who will keep their campaign promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted September 20, 2010 #41 Share Posted September 20, 2010 yes ... there's tv series that does that in ways you couldn't even imagin ... now back to the question you " thought " you answered 40% isn't big enough to consider ? so they just igored 40% and went with majority ... that's what syria do .. goes with majority and trust me it's more than 60% so again .. what sets you above us in your so called " democracy ? since we both did the same .. went with majority why people are soo close minded .. or don't wanna think things over ? Ways I couldn't even imagine? Who's making assumptions now? Thank you for confirming that you aren't worth my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #42 Share Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) Ways I couldn't even imagine? Who's making assumptions now? Thank you for confirming that you aren't worth my time. sorry .. i don't recall asking you for your precious time coz i reliaze you have more important things to do with it like playing with your imaginary friend that was joke .. in case your highness forgot the sense of humor Edited September 20, 2010 by Knight Of Shadows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 20, 2010 #43 Share Posted September 20, 2010 How can election results be overlooked? If people vote someone out of power, they leave. No permission from the elected official is needed. If people vote a “warmonger” out of office, and the person they put in their place continues the war, that's a whole different matter. It simply means people should vote for someone who will keep their campaign promises. we have elections here .. and the prisdent was chosen outta of election so we are republic people ! i meant results of people opinion ... let me rewind .. people were talking about how my country live in repression not democracy ... now say to them we have elected our president just like they elected theirs still they mummble about repression of people opinions " after " election of the preisdent actions overlooking that nearly half usa citizans did not agree with bush now how is that any different ? knowing that our president didn't go around like crazy lunatic waging wars like bush did still they call them self living in democracy ... i can't see the point here can you make it more clear ? they are living in illusions ? or just don't wanna admit ? or simply ingnorant of facts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroomi Posted September 20, 2010 #44 Share Posted September 20, 2010 ... dense much? as YOU stated before there is only ONE party to vote for... not much of a choice... and again YOU said if another party was to come along the only thing that would happen is civil war. so yes it still sounds like Syria is basically the same as any other dictatorship. And yes America is far from perfect but, we are still one of the best countries in the world to live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted September 20, 2010 #45 Share Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) thank you expand i was about to write down what you just did it's ok to israel to take syrian lands and have full view of syria but it's not ok to syria to defend it's land .. funny and Abramelin may remind you that our president elected by his people which means we agree to his stands and actions you can criticize .. but you CANNOT form a group for that cause that'll end with civil war and we don't want that syria is one of the most safest countries .. can you criticize that ? i guess not ... no crime rate ... no drug .. and you want us to criticize our president ?? ! that's stupid majority of syrian would die for the president ... his stands on face of usa and israel is the only real person who stood against them while they take arabic lands and do what they wish with other arabic presidents cowered and remain silent and those who wouldnt would die if the president of syria survived. cuba can make the same claim about safety assuming of course you believed them. but here in the usa, even the hate people will die for those they hate under the right reasons. such as someone flying planes into skyscrapers. Edited September 20, 2010 by danielost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 21, 2010 #46 Share Posted September 21, 2010 ... dense much? as YOU stated before there is only ONE party to vote for... not much of a choice... and again YOU said if another party was to come along the only thing that would happen is civil war. so yes it still sounds like Syria is basically the same as any other dictatorship. And yes America is far from perfect but, we are still one of the best countries in the world to live in. hahaha stop there .. you don't even realize how stupid and silly it sounds but i like the laugh ... anyway i meant your last line " america is the best to live in " name the crime , rape , robbery , rate there .. and then shove around these words you reliaze it's like we don't get homocide in like year or so you reliaze we don't hear or robbery in like half year or so way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroomi Posted September 21, 2010 #47 Share Posted September 21, 2010 hahaha stop there .. you don't even realize how stupid and silly it sounds but i like the laugh ... anyway i meant your last line " america is the best to live in " name the crime , rape , robbery , rate there .. and then shove around these words you reliaze it's like we don't get homocide in like year or so you reliaze we don't hear or robbery in like half year or so way to go i said ONE of the best not THE best, even still id take america,britan,australia, ect, over any middle eastern dump of a country any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 21, 2010 #48 Share Posted September 21, 2010 and those who wouldnt would die if the president of syria survived. cuba can make the same claim about safety assuming of course you believed them. but here in the usa, even the hate people will die for those they hate under the right reasons. such as someone flying planes into skyscrapers. that was just a way of expressing that the majority of syrian people agrees with the preisdent actions to try to make it reallll simple for the folks here still .. am guess they're not reading my posts they're just replying or maybe they just love runing away from facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted September 21, 2010 #49 Share Posted September 21, 2010 i said ONE of the best not THE best, even still id take america,britan,australia, ect, over any middle eastern dump of a country any day lol real respectful of you anyway ... you didn't answer my question .. or you just ignore what you please when you feel you're wrong .. you just overlooked the crimes and all it's not as they show you in hollywood movies man we don't walk around in deserts carrying AK47 ... well visit syria then talk crap about it we got tourists from all over the world coming here every day take your pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroomi Posted September 21, 2010 #50 Share Posted September 21, 2010 that was just a way of expressing that the majority of syrian people agrees with the preisdent actions to try to make it reallll simple for the folks here still .. am guess they're not reading my posts they're just replying or maybe they just love runing away from facts LOL, do Syrians know what irony is?lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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