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Knight Of Shadows

Syria has invaded before and killed innocent civilians. Syria has brought weapons before and continues to do so. Fact. I honestly don't think the media in Syria itself is what I, or anyone in a Western country would call "fair" or "balanced".

I could also say the same about your posts. Every single one is "everyone criticizes Arabs" or "everyone picks on Arabs". Do you have any idea why such criticism is given? It isn't because we are all anti-Arab or anti-Islam, I'm certainly not, by the way. It's because certain groups act in certain ways which we think are inhumane and unjust. I don't think all Arabs are evil, but you seem to have this notion that everyone here is against the Arabs. Which is unproven and most certainly untrue.

the thing is .. most people just ignore the pressure on syria from

both israel and usa ... syria is a key to peace in middle east

can you imgain wat would happen if an " islamic " country . like iran

instead of syria was in syria's place ? you have an idea of the

war might break out then ? i guess not

still we have to take all the false criticize from all people

but just think of what i said about and just imagin .. another

iran next to israel and iraq .. and imagin what the siuation would be

then criticize syria

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Knight Of Shadows

I'm slightly confused too. Is he saying that by choice people only have one policial party to avoid political upset? So everyone just agrees (whether or not they actually agree) for the sake of keeping peace? (Or rather for the sake of not upsetting the political leader(s) in charge?) I mean, I guess I see something positive about that...or something...

...or not.

well let me put it straight the majority agree with what the leaders do

then the lesser number who don't agree .. can't do anything about it

coz we follow the majority opinion

now ... look at lebanon it's falling apart we don't wanna end up like it

then again one leader .. better than 10 and like they say

too many cheifs will mess up the cooking :D

.. when two parties ... try to

fight for power seats .. that's when the nation grows weak

lose peace and all coz attention will be turned to abtain power..

instead of taking care of the country

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Shroomi

lol, i don't know what to say, but this gives me a good idea of why the middle east is the way it is. brainwashing or people are just plain stupid? i don't know, but obviously western democracy and middle eastern are not the same... at all.

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ExpandMyMind

lol, i don't know what to say, but this gives me a good idea of why the middle east is the way it is. brainwashing or people are just plain stupid? i don't know, but obviously western democracy and middle eastern are not the same... at all.

If you believe that people in western democracies have much more of a choice than people elsewhere, then you don't understand how western democracy works.

Almost all our candidates, including all Presidents and Prime Ministers, are pre-selected by those funding the campaigns. Is it better for us simply because we have the illusion of democracy and freedom of choice, etc.?

At least most of those in the Middle East know they're suppressed.. we (most of us) actually think we have a choice...

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Knight Of Shadows

actually mushroom ... you think you can change anything of your

country stand or attitude ?? you simply think you can make difference ?

i doubt it .. so wheather it's democracy .. or suppression

you saying we're all plain stupid ... why didn't you say

that about usa ? when they waged wars all over the world ? :P

just because they can make monkey outta of their president on tv

doesn't mean they actually have choice

as for more than 40 percent american were against bush wars ...

did that made difference .. so give me a break

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actually mushroom ... you think you can change anything of your

country stand or attitude ?? you simply think you can make difference ?

i doubt it .. so wheather it's democracy .. or suppression

you saying we're all plain stupid ... why didn't you say

that about usa ? when they waged wars all over the world ? :P

just because they can make monkey outta of their president on tv

doesn't mean they actually have choice

as for more than 40 percent american were against bush wars ...

did that made difference .. so give me a break

I can't talk for the people in the USA, I can only talk for people living here in Holland.

At some point we all realized our prime minister, Balkenende, had been lied at by the Americans about Iraq.

That was the end of his time as prime minister.

THAT is what a democracy is all about.

Now YOU try that in that great country of yours, ruled by a dictator and an oppressing political party.

Btw... NO civil war broke out here.

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Corp

If you believe that people in western democracies have much more of a choice than people elsewhere, then you don't understand how western democracy works.

Almost all our candidates, including all Presidents and Prime Ministers, are pre-selected by those funding the campaigns. Is it better for us simply because we have the illusion of democracy and freedom of choice, etc.?

At least most of those in the Middle East know they're suppressed.. we (most of us) actually think we have a choice...

And yet there's been several times that elections have been decided on the campaign trail. A candidate goofs and the population react and vote in the other guy. So democracy isn't an illusion in that sense.

As bad as they are I'll take Western governments over those in the Middle East any day of the week.

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Shroomi

And yet there's been several times that elections have been decided on the campaign trail. A candidate goofs and the population react and vote in the other guy. So democracy isn't an illusion in that sense.

As bad as they are I'll take Western governments over those in the Middle East any day of the week.

corp pretty much summed that up :tu:

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Knight Of Shadows

hahahaha come on .. why escaped my question about american democracy ?

isn't they who fight wars bringing us " democracy "

isn't like over 40% of usa people were against bush wars ?

why democracy didn't do anything then ?? coz it's illusion

but i understand why you love so much to believe it

it's like mysterious fairytales .. people loves so much to believe it

to escape the painful reality ... that it's all a lie

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isn't like over 40% of usa people were against bush wars ?

why democracy didn't do anything then ??

They did. We have elections every now and then. People can vote for anti-war candidates if they want.

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And yet there's been several times that elections have been decided on the campaign trail. A candidate goofs and the population react and vote in the other guy. So democracy isn't an illusion in that sense.

As bad as they are I'll take Western governments over those in the Middle East any day of the week.

If you are referring to leadership roles then I think you'll find that all bets are hedged, so to speak. Look at who funds both campaigns - it's the same corporations.

And I too would take Western societies over others but this does not mean we cannot criticise our system and look for ways to improve. Or understand the fundamental ways in which we are not as 'free' as we might like to think.

And I also don't think that the only reason our societies are a better place to live is because of our form of government - although it is definitely a factor - but also because of our power. We have controlled the world's money and resources for a long time and this is what has led to the development of our societies. Along with numerous other factors of course.

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Michelle

hahahaha come on .. why escaped my question about american democracy ?

isn't they who fight wars bringing us " democracy "

isn't like over 40% of usa people were against bush wars ?

why democracy didn't do anything then ?? coz it's illusion

but i understand why you love so much to believe it

it's like mysterious fairytales .. people loves so much to believe it

to escape the painful reality ... that it's all a lie

That is not a majority, which is what is required.

A simple question...can you openly oppose your government without repercussions?

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Knight Of Shadows

They did. We have elections every now and then. People can vote for anti-war candidates if they want.

i reliaze that .. it was coz of this i called it illusions

because results overlooked .. goverment does what it wants

so it's worthless

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Knight Of Shadows

That is not a majority, which is what is required.

A simple question...can you openly oppose your government without repercussions?

yes ... there's tv series that does that in ways you couldn't even

imagin ...

now back to the question you " thought " you answered

40% isn't big enough to consider ? so they just igored 40%

and went with majority ...

that's what syria do .. goes with majority and trust me it's more

than 60%

so again .. what sets you above us in your so called " democracy ?

since we both did the same .. went with majority

why people are soo close minded .. or don't wanna think things over ?

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Pseudo Intellectual

i reliaze that .. it was coz of this i called it illusions

because results overlooked .. goverment does what it wants

so it's worthless

How can election results be overlooked? If people vote someone out of power, they leave. No permission from the elected official is needed. If people vote a “warmonger” out of office, and the person they put in their place continues the war, that's a whole different matter. It simply means people should vote for someone who will keep their campaign promises.

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Michelle

yes ... there's tv series that does that in ways you couldn't even

imagin ...

now back to the question you " thought " you answered

40% isn't big enough to consider ? so they just igored 40%

and went with majority ...

that's what syria do .. goes with majority and trust me it's more

than 60%

so again .. what sets you above us in your so called " democracy ?

since we both did the same .. went with majority

why people are soo close minded .. or don't wanna think things over ?

Ways I couldn't even imagine? Who's making assumptions now?

Thank you for confirming that you aren't worth my time.

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Knight Of Shadows

Ways I couldn't even imagine? Who's making assumptions now?

Thank you for confirming that you aren't worth my time.

sorry .. i don't recall asking you for your precious time

coz i reliaze you have more important things to do with it

like playing with your imaginary friend :lol:

that was joke .. in case your highness

forgot the sense of humor

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Knight Of Shadows

How can election results be overlooked? If people vote someone out of power, they leave. No permission from the elected official is needed. If people vote a “warmonger” out of office, and the person they put in their place continues the war, that's a whole different matter. It simply means people should vote for someone who will keep their campaign promises.

we have elections here .. and the prisdent was chosen outta of election

so we are republic people !

i meant results of people opinion ...

let me rewind .. people were talking about how my country live in repression

not democracy ... now say to them we have elected our president

just like they elected theirs

still they mummble about repression of people opinions " after "

election of the preisdent actions

overlooking that nearly half usa citizans did not agree with bush

now how is that any different ?

knowing that our president didn't go around like crazy lunatic waging wars

like bush did

still they call them self living in democracy ... i can't see the point

here can you make it more clear ?

they are living in illusions ? or just don't wanna admit ?

or simply ingnorant of facts ?

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Shroomi

... dense much? as YOU stated before there is only ONE party to vote for... not much of a choice... and again YOU said if another party was to come along the only thing that would happen is civil war. so yes it still sounds like Syria is basically the same as any other dictatorship. And yes America is far from perfect but, we are still one of the best countries in the world to live in.

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thank you expand i was about to write down what you just did :lol:

it's ok to israel to take syrian lands and have full view of syria

but it's not ok to syria to defend it's land .. funny

and Abramelin may remind you that our president elected by his people

which means we agree to his stands and actions :tu:

you can criticize .. but you CANNOT form a group for that cause

that'll end with civil war and we don't want that

syria is one of the most safest countries .. can you criticize that ?

i guess not ... no crime rate ... no drug .. and you want us to criticize

our president ?? ! that's stupid

majority of syrian would die for the president ... his stands on face

of usa and israel is the only real person who stood against them

while they take arabic lands and do what they wish with other

arabic presidents cowered and remain silent

and those who wouldnt would die if the president of syria survived. cuba can make the same claim about safety assuming of course you believed them.

but here in the usa, even the hate people will die for those they hate under the right reasons. such as someone flying planes into skyscrapers.

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Knight Of Shadows

... dense much? as YOU stated before there is only ONE party to vote for... not much of a choice... and again YOU said if another party was to come along the only thing that would happen is civil war. so yes it still sounds like Syria is basically the same as any other dictatorship. And yes America is far from perfect but, we are still one of the best countries in the world to live in.

hahaha stop there .. you don't even realize how stupid and silly it sounds

but i like the laugh ... anyway i meant your last line

" america is the best to live in "

name the crime , rape , robbery , rate there .. and then shove around

these words :tu:

you reliaze it's like we don't get homocide in like year or so

you reliaze we don't hear or robbery in like half year or so

:lol: way to go

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Shroomi

hahaha stop there .. you don't even realize how stupid and silly it sounds

but i like the laugh ... anyway i meant your last line

" america is the best to live in "

name the crime , rape , robbery , rate there .. and then shove around

these words :tu:

you reliaze it's like we don't get homocide in like year or so

you reliaze we don't hear or robbery in like half year or so

:lol: way to go

i said ONE of the best not THE best, even still id take america,britan,australia, ect, over any middle eastern dump of a country any day :tu:

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Knight Of Shadows

and those who wouldnt would die if the president of syria survived. cuba can make the same claim about safety assuming of course you believed them.

but here in the usa, even the hate people will die for those they hate under the right reasons. such as someone flying planes into skyscrapers.

that was just a way of expressing that the majority of syrian people

agrees with the preisdent actions

to try to make it reallll simple for the folks here

still .. am guess they're not reading my posts they're just replying :lol:

or maybe they just love runing away from facts

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Knight Of Shadows

i said ONE of the best not THE best, even still id take america,britan,australia, ect, over any middle eastern dump of a country any day :tu:

lol real respectful of you :lol:

anyway ... you didn't answer my question .. or you just ignore what you please

when you feel you're wrong .. you just overlooked the crimes and all

it's not as they show you in hollywood movies man :D

we don't walk around in deserts carrying AK47 :D

... well visit syria then talk crap about it we got tourists from

all over the world coming here every day :P

take your pick

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Shroomi

that was just a way of expressing that the majority of syrian people

agrees with the preisdent actions

to try to make it reallll simple for the folks here

still .. am guess they're not reading my posts they're just replying :lol:

or maybe they just love runing away from facts

LOL, do Syrians know what irony is?lol :w00t:

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